Star Wars MMORG introduces gay relationships (but only on one planet)

[Agorism]

‘Star Wars’ game segregates gay characters on gay planet


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl_h0iug0NA

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/14/star-wars-game-segregates-gay-characters-on-gay-planet/#ixzz2I0TPo5Gg



Despite vocal opposition from thousands of angry gamers, a software developer has added support for homosexual relationships to the game “Star Wars: The Old Republic” -- albeit just on a single planet.
“As we have said in the past, allowing same gender romance is something we are very supportive of,” wrote BioWare’s Jeff Hickman, executive producer of “Star Wars: The Old Republic,” in a blog post last week. He revealed that same-gender romances (or SGR) would be allowed on the planet Makeb, and the company is “pursuing more SGR options in the future.”

The gay planet will appear only in an expansion pack called “Rise of the Hutt Cartel,” and it will include characters with canned, flirtatious dialog for same-sex players. The move has generated controversy among everyone involved, with some calling for a separation of sexual preference from the game, and others lambasting what they say feel like digital segregation.
In a heated debate on the company’s webservers, the topic received more attention than the ongoing drought on Tatooine or the Empire’s latest Death Star.
“Well it's good to see the SGR people are getting some attention. They've only been asking for the option since beta,” one player noted. Publisher Electronic Arts has been wrestling with the issue for months, after promising in April 2012to stand up against what was described as “several thousand” letters and emails protesting the inclusion of same sex content in its games.
"Every one of EA's games includes ESRB content descriptors so it's hard to believe anyone is surprised by the content. This isn't about protecting children, it's about political harassment," Jeff Brown, vice president of corporate communications, told Games Industry International at the time.
It was no April Fool’s joke, however, and some gamers remain vehemently opposed.
Others were more strongly unified against same sex relationships than the rebel alliance.
“Star Wars is a family based story with nothing to do with SGR,” one gamer wrote on the forums. “Please, please, please Bioware, Lucasarts, and EA do not allow SGR in Star Wars The Old Republic. It will ruin the game and make a lot of people leave it.”


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/14/star-wars-game-segregates-gay-characters-on-gay-planet/#ixzz2I0TZSMBP

[Confederate]

Eugh...more **** bullshit.

[Danke]

Eugh...more **** bullshit.

" Others were more strongly unified against same sex relationships than the rebel alliance."

[Origanalist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wl_h0iug0NA

That kid looks pretty scared.

[RP Supporter]

The content must be specifically looked for and initiated, so the only people who will actually see it are those who go looking for it. Little Johnny isn't going to be exposed to this during a typical run through the game.

IMO probably the smartest business decision Bioware could have made. Add gay relationships, but do so in a specifically segregated part of the game. That way you can attract an audience that likes that stuff without offending the average gamer(unless the very existence of such things causes them to be repulsed) I think it's rather dumb to segregate this stuff, but I also understand that as a company Bioware needs to do whatever makes it the most profit. they've obviously concluded it's this, so more power to them.

[shane77m]

This is not the gay planet you are looking for.

[Petar]

http://s1.postimage.org/6g2rn0snz/Word_Puzzle_1.jpg

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

[Antischism]

Oh well.

[Confederate]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

This.

[familydog]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

I completely disagree. Same sex romance has always existed in Bioware games. This is why the "thousands of angry gamers" makes me laugh. Why are these gamers shocked?

Besides, it's hard to argue that an MMORPG can push culture of any kind. It is entirely voluntary to play and this content is only available to active players who have downloaded the game.

[Occam's Banana]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

Bah. Let me know when they start using fists or guns - or light sabres - to FORCE people into doing things they don't want to do. Then I'll get upset.

It's just a goddam computer game, for crying out loud! Don't like it? Go play some Liesure Suit Larry ... or not. Your choice - with emphasis on the word CHOICE.

[Cutlerzzz]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

You don't know how The Old Republic works. This is one of several hundred quests/side stories, to go along with quite a few hetero sub plots. All optional. The only way to advance romantic plots is to continuously press them, so it isn't something a guy could accidentally stumble upon. Someone could play the game for a thousand hours without ever even noticing a particular sub plot or mission, even if they were interested.

[TywinLannister]

It seems like every thread you start has to do with gay people

[Smart3]

Hey. Where's Pedobear's homeworld? BIGOTS!

[Origanalist]

It seems like every thread you start has to do with gay people

Bigot. Homophobe.

(You're right, it does seem that way.......)

[shane77m]

Hey. Where's Pedobear's homeworld? BIGOTS!

That would be Endor. More like homemoon.

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/ewok.jpg

[jmdrake]

Talking about conspiracy theories = "hurting the Ron Paul movement among typical republican voters".

Talking about gay rights every other thread = promoting true libertarianism and growing the Ron Paul movement.

Ummm......okay.

[Agorism]

The Star Wars Gay Ghetto Planet Of Makeb


http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/image16-262x350.jpg
http://cdn.unicornbooty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Rick-Santorum-Hed-Make-Being-Gay-Illegal-if-he-Could1.jpg

[Ranger29860]

"Despite vocal opposition from thousands of angry gamers, a software developer has added support for homosexual relationships to the game “Star Wars: The Old Republic” -- albeit just on a single planet.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/14/star-wars-game-segregates-gay-characters-on-gay-planet/#ixzz2I1gj1bZn
"

Really? Thousands? They could have at least pulled a better number out of their ass. As someone already said Bioware has always had gay characters and relationships. This was also a feature that was suppose to be in during launch but due to time constraints never got in.

[Demigod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4xBcSGQBKU

[Philhelm]

I'm assuming that having a threesome with hot, lipstick lesbians is not a game feature. Too bad, I'd bet they'd give great helmet.

[idiom]

Talking about conspiracy theories = "hurting the Ron Paul movement among typical republican voters".

Talking about gay rights every other thread = promoting true libertarianism and growing the Ron Paul movement.

Ummm......okay.

plenty of games feature conspiracy theories.

[twomp]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

I didn't realize EVERYONE ELSE played Star Wars MMORPG. Do you play it? How many games out there even has this "gay culture?" I bet you think rap music is the "colored folks" way of pushing their culture on everyone else too right?

[James Madison]

Eh, whatever. BioWare has had same-sex relationships going back to Dragon Age: Origins (which is a great game, btw) and technically since Mass Effect 1 (2007) if you romanced Liara as FemShep. I just avoid them when playing.

Though, I must say, in light of the Mass Effect 3 debacle, including the worst ending in the history of story-telling (not an exaggeration), their response, day-1 dlc, complete removal of all RPG elements, dumbed-down combat meant to appeal to CoD fanboys, and the overall crapfest that was Dragon Age II, BioWare should probably focus more on actually making good games and less on pandering to a small, largely insignificant, portion of their fanbase.

Edit: And who could forget this oldie-but-goodie. Of course, none of the 'reporters' have actually played the game.:rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

[James Madison]

plenty of games feature conspiracy theories.

Deus Ex:Human Revolution mentions the Bilderburg Group by name. I nearly fell out of my seat when I heard that.

[Victor Grey]

"He revealed that same-gender romances (or SGR) would be allowed on the planet Makeb"

Should of named it Homobulus.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Edit: And who could forget this oldie-but-goodie. Of course, none of the 'reporters' have actually played the game.:rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU


:eek: How could they miss all the free porn on the internet?? It's never been a place for children. Anyone remember the idea of connecting every classroom to the internet sounding like a horrible idea?

[angelatc]

Eugh...more **** bullshit.

Maybe we'll get lucky and it's Alderaan.

[truelies]

vile garbage

[compromise]

Well, at least they're leaving it up to the planets rather than forcing it on the whole republic.

[cbrons]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.
+r

[fr33]

I played the game for a while. It's not like their pushing gayness on you as a player. I think it requires the player to make his characters develop such a relationship over time by using the multiple choice answers.

[2young2vote]

I think I'm going to go there and troll.

[KingRobbStark]

I think I'm going to go there and troll.

If you do I will kidnap you to a particular planet, and butt rape you.

[Acala]

So, slow news day I guess?

[silverhandorder]

I am starting to sympathise with gay people more. I see people jumping to "gays spreading their culture" without actually finding out the facts. Fact is that you have ty o flirt with the charachter to start a relationship. The only person who sees thus is the player and not anyone around him.

[asurfaholic]

Eugh...more **** bullshit.

Yea, damn that first amendment. Damn it to hell.

[adisongrace]

I had no idea this was christianmingle.com

damn my bad haha

Not everyone adheres to a religion..so how does this change, in a fictional game, harm your family?
I think the better question here is if a Starwars MMORPG disrupts your very core being, what kind of life are you living?

[Confederate]

Well, at least they're leaving it up to the planets rather than forcing it on the whole republic.

That's how it starts.

[Cutlerzzz]

Eh, whatever. BioWare has had same-sex relationships going back to Dragon Age: Origins (which is a great game, btw) and technically since Mass Effect 1 (2007) if you romanced Liara as FemShep. I just avoid them when playing.

Though, I must say, in light of the Mass Effect 3 debacle, including the worst ending in the history of story-telling (not an exaggeration), their response, day-1 dlc, complete removal of all RPG elements, dumbed-down combat meant to appeal to CoD fanboys, and the overall crapfest that was Dragon Age II, BioWare should probably focus more on actually making good games and less on pandering to a small, largely insignificant, portion of their fanbase.

Edit: And who could forget this oldie-but-goodie. Of course, none of the 'reporters' have actually played the game.:rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

The original Knights of the Old Republic game had a lesbian sub plot back in 03.

[libertariantexas]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

Nobody is pushing anything on anyone.

The company provides the "gay" part as an OPTION for you to CHOOSE.

You know, that freedom of choice/liberty thing you may have heard about?

If you don't want to play a gay character, you don't have to, just like in real life.

Why do you feel so threatened by this?

As I was researching this, I noticed the game has now gone to a "Free to Play" model. I may check it out.

[Acala]

The original Knights of the Old Republic game had a lesbian sub plot back in 03.

Lesbian is fine. It's the dueling meat sabers that have no place anywhere in the entire universe. The force is NOT with them.

[adisongrace]

Lesbian is fine. It's the dueling meat sabers that have no place anywhere in the entire universe. The force is NOT with them.

Hypocrisy.

[Confederate]

Lesbian is fine. It's the dueling meat sabers that have no place anywhere in the entire universe. The force is NOT with them.

Both are equally disgusting and immoral.

[Acala]

Hypocrisy.

Sometimes when something looks like really blatant, ridiculous, imaginary-universe-spanning hypocrisy it is, in fact, just humor that you are not getting. It's a hazard of the internet.

[adisongrace]

Both are equally disgusting and immoral.

Keeping religion out of it how are both sexualities disgusting and immoral?

[adisongrace]

Sometimes when something looks like really blatant, ridiculous, imaginary-universe-spanning hypocrisy it is, in fact, just humor that you are not getting. It's a hazard of the internet.

I apologize. However this thread is getting out of control with anti-gay
sentiments. We are about to watch a trainwreck.

[nano1895]

The game is dying anyway, no need to get all antsy about it.

[John F Kennedy III]

So because you guys are afraid of two dudes blowing eachother we can't even get discussion going in the NY gun thread.

Wow.

[Acala]

So because you guys are afraid of two dudes blowing eachother we can't even get discussion going in the NY gun thread.

Wow.

If you don't draw the line, pretty soon it will be wookiee-bantha orgies. Is that what you want?

[John F Kennedy III]

If you don't draw the line, pretty soon it will be wookiee-bantha orgies. Is that what you want?

You caught me :p Even though I have no idea what a bantha is. Lol.

[John F Kennedy III]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

Pushing? Culture?

[John F Kennedy III]

If this is gays pushing their culture onto others....aren't we the Liberty Movement pushing our culture onto others?

[adisongrace]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m527/adisongrace/1254801_zps86a0f2ce.jpg

Please check your 1st Amendment rights and get back to us...that'd be great, thanks.

[James Madison]

The original Knights of the Old Republic game had a lesbian sub plot back in 03.

Never played that game back in the day. Been meaning to give it a go but never got around to it.

[Confederate]

Please check your 1st Amendment rights and get back to us...that'd be great, thanks.

The first amendment only applies to what congress cannot do. I don't see how that applies here....


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[Cutlerzzz]

Never played that game back in the day. Been meaning to give it a go but never got around to it.

Definitely worth it, IMO.

[adisongrace]

The first amendment only applies to what congress cannot do. I don't see how that applies here....

-.- really... don't play like you can't understand humor....just move on...
Also freedom of speech is a human right, not one given to us by a body of government.

[phill4paul]

I'm glad they have made a place for themselves in an cyber-fantasy universe. Even IF that universe condones violent fantasy and promotes the use of weapons. /s

Christ, the things some worry themselves over. :rolleyes:

[Confederate]

-.- really... don't play like you can't understand humor....just move on...

Try being funny next time dude.


Also freedom of speech is a human right, not one given to us by a body of government.

When did I ever say that? Rights come from God, not government.


PS: you still haven't provided proof of your two outrageous claims:

1) That the Pope has satanic demons embroidered on his stole
2) That 18% of the general population is 'transgendered'

[adisongrace]

Try being funny next time dude.
Maybe you don't have a sense of humor?





When did I ever say that? Rights come from God, not government.
That's your belief structure. Not everyone adheres to god. However in
reference to this post, why did you even bring that up when I was making a joke?
Targeting again?




PS: you still haven't provided proof of your two outrageous claims:

1) That the Pope has satanic demons embroidered on his stole


2) That 18% of the general population is 'transgendered'


What did this have to do with this thread? Attempting to derail another
thread?

Also you never answered my question in this thread.

[Confederate]

Maybe you don't have a sense of humor?

You're just not funny.

[QUOTE=adisongrace;4824127]That's your belief structure. Not everyone adheres to god. However in
reference to this post, why did you even bring that up when I was making a joke?
Targeting again?

Doesn't matter if you 'adhere' to God or not. It doesn't change he fact that rights come from God. It's like saying you don't believe in gravity, it doesn't change that gravity exists.


What did this have to do with this thread? Attempting to derail another
thread?

Just holding you accountable for your previous claims. Free speech is an individual right, but be prepared to be called out when you make ridiculous claims.


Also you never answered my question in this thread.

I'm not going to bother debating with you. You've proven that it's impossible. You make unsubstantiated claims, refuse to provide proof, and when called out on it play the victim card.


Anyway, I apologize to everyone else for derailing this thread. Continue with the gay star wars talk.

[adisongrace]

[QUOTE=adisongrace;4824127]Maybe you don't have a sense of humor?

You're just not funny.



Doesn't matter if you 'adhere' to God or not. It doesn't change he fact that rights come from God. It's like saying you don't believe in gravity, it doesn't change that gravity exists.



Just holding you accountable for your previous claims. Free speech is an individual right, but be prepared to be called out when you make ridiculous claims.



I'm not going to bother debating with you. You've proven that it's impossible. You make unsubstantiated claims, refuse to provide proof, and when called out on it play the victim card.


Anyway, I apologize to everyone else for derailing this thread. Continue with the gay star wars talk.

With the issue of god, it is emotional not logical. Therefore has no place in a debate.

As far as my claims go I have the information, you should do your own research and not troll ME.

Now once again...Without the area of religion why are the LGBT community disgusting? Why do you continue to
spout anti-gay sentiments and undermine my posts instead of actually discussing them? Why attempt to ostracize someone who has a free mind?

[unklejman]

The Sims have had gay relationships since 2000. And gay marriages since 2004. I haven't heard a big outcry about that game.

[libertariantexas]

[QUOTE=adisongrace;4824127]

Doesn't matter if you 'adhere' to God or not. It doesn't change he fact that rights come from God.


I guess they aren't teaching the difference between "fact" and "opinion" in school anymore?

You may believe think your rights came from Wotan, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Jesus's Dad*, Cthulu, the Great Pumpkin, Zeus or (insert name of your version of God/Gods here- people have worshiped thousand of Gods over time and I can't list them all here), but that doesn't make it "fact."

My rights did not come from your particular imaginary friend...


* I've always wondered why the fanatical Christian fundies didn't ban the Bible from libraries. The book tells the tale of a young man named Jesus and his two fathers- Joseph and the Big Daddy in the sky. I'm surprised it didn't face the same vitriol as "Heather Has Two Mommies." Sounds a little gay to me. (I'm just trying to stay on the gay topic)

[libertariantexas]

The Sims have had gay relationships since 2000. And gay marriages since 2004. I haven't heard a big outcry about that game.

That's because the Sims "Woo Hoo" under the sheets- the right wing social extremists never see it...

[libertariantexas]

[QUOTE=Confederate;4824148]


Now once again...Without the area of religion why are the LGBT community disgusting? Why do you continue to
spout anti-gay sentiments and undermine my posts instead of actually discussing them? Why attempt to ostracize someone who has a free mind?

Are you familiar with the concept of religion? That's their thing. And they are very good at it.

[Nirvikalpa]

This isn't about gay rights, this is about pushing their culture on everybody else.

Are you saying seeing this "culture" will result in more homosexual relationships? No one is forcing you to play the game. Don't like the game or it's contents? Don't use your money to buy the game.

Is watching a movie or a video game with a ton of gun violence and mob violence likely to create people who take that culture and use it to the extreme? Is that "pushing" of a violent culture likely to breed murderers, violence, rapist, etc? Violent video game culture causes violence, after all... right?

Congrats, you just used the exact reasoning many liberals and anti-liberty activists use against us.

[dinosaur]

[QUOTE=Confederate;4824148]

I guess they aren't teaching the difference between "fact" and "opinion" in school anymore?

You may believe think your rights came from Wotan, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Jesus's Dad*, Cthulu, the Great Pumpkin, Zeus or (insert name of your version of God/Gods here- people have worshiped thousand of Gods over time and I can't list them all here), but that doesn't make it "fact."

My rights did not come from your particular imaginary friend...


* I've always wondered why the fanatical Christian fundies didn't ban the Bible from libraries. The book tells the tale of a young man named Jesus and his two fathers- Joseph and the Big Daddy in the sky. I'm surprised it didn't face the same vitriol as "Heather Has Two Mommies." Sounds a little gay to me. (I'm just trying to stay on the gay topic)

"Endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights"

Guess our founders had cognitive reasoning trouble also.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I told myself I wasn't going to post on the gay planet/video game thread. Who gave this thread 5 stars? Show yourself.

[Acala]

Are you saying seeing this "culture" will result in more homosexual relationships? No one is forcing you to play the game. Don't like the game or it's contents? Don't use your money to buy the game.

Is watching a movie or a video game with a ton of gun violence and mob violence likely to create people who take that culture and use it to the extreme? Is that "pushing" of a violent culture likely to breed murderers, violence, rapist, etc? Violent video game culture causes violence, after all... right?

Congrats, you just used the exact reasoning many liberals and anti-liberty activists use against us.

Just KNOWING that there is an imaginary gay planet somewhere makes me feel more gay.

[puppetmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wl_h0iug0NA

That kid looks pretty scared.

whatu talkin 'bout willis!

[Confederate]

Are you saying seeing this "culture" will result in more homosexual relationships? No one is forcing you to play the game. Don't like the game or it's contents? Don't use your money to buy the game.

It's not about creating more homosexuals, but about normalizing their lifestyle and using the state to impose acceptance of their lifestyle on other.


Is watching a movie or a video game with a ton of gun violence and mob violence likely to create people who take that culture and use it to the extreme? Is that "pushing" of a violent culture likely to breed murderers, violence, rapist, etc? Violent video game culture causes violence, after all... right?

Congrats, you just used the exact reasoning many liberals and anti-liberty activists use against us.

Of course violence in video games, TV, and movies helps perpetuate violence in real life. When you desensitize children and young adults to violence it will lead to a culture more accepting of violence. Just like normalizing and perpetuating images of premarital sex in a positive light have led to an epidemic of it in our society the same is true of violence and other immorality.

[adisongrace]

It's not about creating more homosexuals, but about normalizing their lifestyle and using the state to impose acceptance of their lifestyle on other.

and what about the other end of spectrum? There are plenty pro-family programs in our media...




Of course violence in video games, TV, and movies helps perpetuate violence in real life. When you desensitize children and young adults to violence it will lead to a culture more accepting of violence. Just like normalizing and perpetuating images of premarital sex in a positive light have led to an epidemic of it in our society the same is true of violence and other immorality.

I disagree. I believe people are responsible for their own actions. No amount of media or trend
makes that person pull the trigger. It's the twinkie defense.

[VBRonPaulFan]

this should come as no surprise to anyone. BioWare has long included same sex storylines in their games. Mass Effect has had gay specific plot lines since the very first game of the series, and it was probably the most popular game they've ever released.

[libertariantexas]

[QUOTE=libertariantexas;4824384]

"Endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights"

Guess our founders had cognitive reasoning trouble also.


Do you "hero worship" the founding fathers as if they were all perfect? I don't.

Thomas Jefferson did some great things. He was also a deeply flawed individual with numerous failings in addition to those successes.

On top of that, Jefferson was a POLITICIAN in a nation that, to this day, will not elect a candidate who does't profess a belief in God. Many have speculated that Jefferson's "belief in God" was for political expediency- as he knew his career in politics would have ended immediately without Kowtowing to the religious establishment.

In addition, his professed religious beliefs (or lack thereof) fluctuated wildly throughout his life. In his time, he was accused of being an infidel and even an atheist.

So the fact that a flawed politician like Jefferson, who does not appear to have ever solidified his own religious beliefs, wrote a rather generic reference to God in the Declaration does not make it a "fact."

BTW, it's "unalienable," not "inalienable."

[libertariantexas]

It's not about creating more homosexuals, but about normalizing their lifestyle and using the state to impose acceptance of their lifestyle on other.



Bioware is a pretty good gaming company.

However, I don't think even the wackiest conspiracy theorist believes Bioware is controlling the "state agenda" to make you gay.

[twomp]

I for one am tired of the Christians pushing their culture on me. I can't go any where without someone mumbling or some billboard saying "Jesus saves." In reality, Jesus doesn't save anyone. Just ask thousands of kids that get raped and molested every day or the murders and despicable acts of violence that happen on a daily basis all over the world. Why hasn't Jesus saved any of them?

[Confederate]

in a nation that, to this day, will not elect a candidate who does't profess a belief in God.

Sounds good to me


BTW, it's "unalienable," not "inalienable."

Actually we have both unalienable and inalienable rights. The natural rights to life and liberty and unalienable, but property is an inalienable right.


Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred.


Inalienable rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights.
Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

[RonPaulMall]

It's not about creating more homosexuals, but about normalizing their lifestyle and using the state to impose acceptance of their lifestyle on other.

Homosexuals exist today, exist in nature, and as far as we know, have always existed throughout human history. They may be aberrant, but to create a fully realistic universe you need to include all the common aberrations, and homosexuality is one of them.

[idiom]

Twincest good, but ***** bad?

[libertariantexas]

Sounds good to me



Yup, I suspected it would like that. The Taliban don't accept any dissension from their religious view of the world, and neither do their equivalent in this country.


Actually we have both unalienable and inalienable rights. The natural rights to life and liberty and unalienable, but property is an inalienable right.

He was trying to quote the Declaration of Independence.

[paulbot24]

Makeb: "All your homosexuals are belong to us."

[Confederate]

Yup, I suspected it would like that. The Taliban don't accept any dissension from their religious view of the world, and neither do their equivalent in this country.

Yeah I see tons of Christians clamoring to hang homosexuals and atheists all across America.

[dinosaur]

[QUOTE=dinosaur;4824413]

Do you "hero worship" the founding fathers as if they were all perfect? I don't.

Thomas Jefferson did some great things. He was also a deeply flawed individual with numerous failings in addition to those successes.

On top of that, Jefferson was a POLITICIAN in a nation that, to this day, will not elect a candidate who does't profess a belief in God. Many have speculated that Jefferson's "belief in God" was for political expediency- as he knew his career in politics would have ended immediately without Kowtowing to the religious establishment.

In addition, his professed religious beliefs (or lack thereof) fluctuated wildly throughout his life. In his time, he was accused of being an infidel and even an atheist.

So the fact that a flawed politician like Jefferson, who does not appear to have ever solidified his own religious beliefs, wrote a rather generic reference to God in the Declaration does not make it a "fact."

BTW, it's "unalienable," not "inalienable."

You are missing the point. The point is that these men were obviously good thinkers. Jefferson wrote it, but the signers accepted it. Your retort to somone who just said the same thing as they did was that they could not think logically. (or something sililar, not going back to look up your phrasing)

[Victor Grey]

Makeb: "All your homosexuals are belong to us."

At least they didn't name the planet Uranus.

[libertariantexas]

Yeah I see tons of Christians clamoring to hang homosexuals and atheists all across America.

You may want to claim Christians wouldn't do such a thing, but you'd be wrong. It wasn't all that long ago that being a homosexual or an atheist was punishable by death IN THE UNITED STATES. The laws making homosexuality a crime punishable by death often quoted Leviticus. As recently as the 1960s, homosexuality was cause for imprisonment in the USA. There may still be some states where homosexuality is a "crime" though I don't think it has been enforced in recent decades.

Religion and government may be formed for the most high minded of reasons. But both quickly devolve into a struggle for POWER- about controlling people and forcing them to do as the church or government leaders wish. Those who do not comply will be punished. Religion, like government, is frequently antithetical to liberty. And that is why I am a fan of neither.

[Confederate]

You may want to claim Christians wouldn't do such a thing, but you'd be wrong. It wasn't all that long ago that being a homosexual or an atheist was punishable by death IN THE UNITED STATES. The laws making homosexuality a crime punishable by death often quoted Leviticus. As recently as the 1960s, homosexuality was cause for imprisonment in the USA. There may still be some states where homosexuality is a "crime" though I don't think it has been enforced in recent decades.

Please show me a single case of a homosexual being executed for sodomy in the past 200 years in the United States and a single law making atheism a crime punishable by death.

Lawrence v Texas (wrongly) ruled sodomy laws unconstitutional in 2003. Ron Paul agrees that the ruling was wrong. I do too.

[Spikender]

After seeing Confederate's performance in this thread, I guess that open spot in the Rainbow Factory will just have to go to someone else...

[jmdrake]

plenty of games feature conspiracy theories.

Ah. So that's the secret. All of the 9/11 truthers and other conspiracy theorists need to create an MMORG out of their ideas and then they become acceptable talk on the main of RPF. ;) Or we can talk about how 9/11 truth got pushed in entertainment media even before 9/11.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsMG2hHsLo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1vwjFhF4dA

....yes I'm purposefully trying to derail this thread....

Oh...and this is the evidence to show that the point being made in "The Long Kiss Goodnight" regarding the 1993 WTC bombing is factual.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2vpcABWJiY

[adisongrace]

Ah. So that's the secret. All of the 9/11 truthers and other conspiracy theorists need to create an MMORG out of their ideas and then they become acceptable talk on the main of RPF. ;) Or we can talk about how 9/11 truth got pushed in entertainment media even before 9/11.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsMG2hHsLo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1vwjFhF4dA

....yes I'm purposefully trying to derail this thread....

Oh...and this is the evidence to show that the point being made in "The Long Kiss Goodnight" regarding the 1993 WTC bombing is factual.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2vpcABWJiY

What is there to derail? This thread title should be changed to 'another gay bash on RPF.'

[fr33]

It's so stupid that people think this is forcing the homosexual agenda or whatever. If you saw the dialogue that is the flirting in game between your companions you'd know it's like 2 sesame street muppets in love. The game doesn't take into account the gender so they act the same. It's up to you to consciously, over a period of time, choose how the relationship goes.