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tangent4ronpaul
01-11-2013, 09:13 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-control-debate-assault-weapons-ban-reach-094810128.html

Vice President Joe Biden announced Thursday that he will recommend new gun control measures to President Barack Obama, which include more comprehensive background checks on gun buyers and limits on the sizes of ammunition magazines. The proposal could lead to the most significant move on guns in 20 years, but one regulation highly coveted by gun control advocates is notably missing: a ban on assault weapons.

In 1994, President Bill Clinton managed to push through a sweeping ban on certain kinds of semi-automatic weapons, dealing a crushing blow to the National Rifle Association and other gun lobbyists and sparking a political backlash that helped Republicans reclaim the House and Senate for the first time in 50 years.

That ban, which expired 10 years later in 2004, is still seen as the gold standard by many gun control advocates, who have been fighting in vain to get it reinstated—with some modifications—for years. Since the horrific Dec. 14 school shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 first graders dead and sparked a national conversation about the nation's gun violence problem, many advocates think they see their chance.

"It is time to pass an enforceable and effective assault weapons ban," New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the leading gun control advocate in the nation, said in a press conference after the shooting. Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill quickly introduced legislation to ban the weapons in late December.

But Biden's omission of the ban from his description of his package of proposals on Thursday suggests an assault weapons ban is out of reach. A lot has changed since 1994—including public opinion,the legal landscape and the political might of the NRA.

"I don't think a ban on assault weapons—which is a ban on some of the most popular rifles in America—is likely to get support," said Adam Winkler, a UCLA law professor and Second Amendment expert. "The 1994 ban was widely recognized to be ineffective and to be riddled with loopholes."

Because the Clinton-era ban focused on cosmetic features of semi-automatic weapons—such as whether the weapon had bayonet slugs—manufacturers could easily remove those features and produce legal guns that were functionally identical to the banned weapons. These loopholes gave the ban a bad rap, making it ineffective on top of being politically toxic.

Another change since the 90s-era ban is that many semi-automatic weapons are more popular now, including the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle used in the Newtown shooting, which is one of the best selling rifles in America. There are at least 3 million AR-15-type rifles in America today, and semi-automatic handguns have overtaken revolvers as the most popular handguns. (Gun ownership on the whole, however, is down since 1994.)

Meanwhile, public opinion on gun control shifted as violent crime started falling in the late 90s. Starting in about 2000, fewer and fewer Americans expressed interest in stricter gun control laws: 78 percent favored stricter gun laws in 1990 compared to only 44 percent between 2010 and 2012.

The majority of Americans would not favor the banning of certain kinds of weapons altogether, such as the assault weapons ban. In 2001, 59 percent of Americans favored that ban, but now the number has dropped to 44 percent.

Some of this public opinion shift may be due to the efforts of the NRA, which has grown more powerful since its defeat in the 90s. "The NRA has about a million more members than it did before and it's got 20 more years' experience on the issue," said David Kopel, an adjunct law professor at New York University and research director at the conservative think tank the Independence Institute.

The NRA told Politico that it has gained 100,000 new members since the Newtown shooting.

Even if gun control advocates were able to pass an assault weapons ban, it would most certainly face a legal challenge.

In a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision, a majority of justices ruled that the government cannot ban an entire class of weapons (in this case, handguns) that are commonly used by law abiding gun owners for legitimate reasons, such as self defense. The government could argue that semi-automatic weapons are not commonly used for self defense, but it's still unclear how the Supreme Court might rule.

The news isn't all gloomy for the gun control side, though. If Obama is able to limit magazine sizes or expand gun background checks, it will still represent one of the biggest gun control victories in decades, and a huge departure from the near political silence on the issue over the past few years. And there's some evidence that the public would be more supportive of such a move since the shooting re-ignited the debate. A Gallup poll taken a week after the Newtown shooting found that 58 percent of Americans wanted gun laws to be stricter, a big jump from the 44 percent who said the same when polled a few months earlier.

And the proposals that Biden said he will present to the president have broad public support. A majority of Americans support requiring background checks for all gun buyers, which would happen if Congress closes the current gun show loophole that allows about 40 percent of firearms to be sold without a background check. Most people also said they would support banning ammunition magazines that carry more than 10 bullets.

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Prominence
01-11-2013, 10:43 AM
I still do not know what to make of all this gun control talk, I want to say nothing will ever get passed, but enter next crazy to shoot up a public place and it will happen in no time. I think what makes me the most mad about this is all the sheeple that support gun legislation. WHY? Is banning guns going to cure crazy?

tangent4ronpaul
01-11-2013, 10:56 AM
Assault weapons ban - the trojan horse will never happen. as planned.

The "reasonable compromise":
Mental health checks will be enacted. The criteria for this will be given to an unelected, and uncountable panel who will squeeze down the criteria till just about no one but the thugs can own a gun.

Ammo records. Buy a certain cal, you most probably have that gun. The slow beginning of registration and confiscation.

Registering weapons... nuff said...

ban on high capacity magazines (or in liberal: "clips")

Other REALLY, REALLY bad stuff!...

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cbrons
01-11-2013, 10:59 AM
Hopefully these evil scum don't get a magazine size ban passed.

Prominence
01-11-2013, 11:00 AM
Exactly, we need not fear an assault weapon ban I doubt that will happen. The reasonable compromises as you mention is where it is at.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-11-2013, 11:03 AM
Some of this public opinion shift may be due to the efforts of the NRA, which has grown more powerful since its defeat in the 90s.


And some of it may be because people are starting to see the writing on the wall. But just because Biden isn't screaming "ban" out his window doesn't really mean anything, imo.

tangent4ronpaul
01-11-2013, 11:05 AM
Hopefully these evil scum don't get a magazine size ban passed.

And what do you have against European paper sizes??? (4A) j/k...

Agree with you!

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dinosaur
01-11-2013, 11:24 AM
Assault weapons ban - the trojan horse will never happen. as planned.

The "reasonable compromise":
Mental health checks will be enacted. The criteria for this will be given to an unelected, and uncountable panel who will squeeze down the criteria till just about no one but the thugs can own a gun.

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This sounds about right. But how could it be done? Access medical records and ban anyone with depression? What other criteria could they use?

tangent4ronpaul
01-11-2013, 11:47 AM
This sounds about right. But how could it be done? Access medical records and ban anyone with depression? What other criteria could they use?

Think OBAMACARE!

Believe in the constitution? - your a dangerous nut job!
Ever drink alcohol? You are a loose canon - banned from owning weapons.
Ever fight with your SO? - DANGEROUS!
Ever protested against the "correct line" - Send this boy to the re-education camp!

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dinosaur
01-11-2013, 11:53 AM
Think OBAMACARE!

Believe in the constitution? - your a dangerous nut job!
Ever drink alcohol? You are a loose canon - banned from owning weapons.
Ever fight with your SO? - DANGEROUS!
Ever protested against the "correct line" - Send this boy to the re-education camp!

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OK, I get it. The panel makes its own rules, they don't need to be spelled out in the legislation.