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tangent4ronpaul
01-09-2013, 05:51 PM
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Asking Eric Dondero: Is Ron Paul libertarianism the GOP's future?
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Joseph F. Cotto: Libertarianism is a philosophy with which most of us are familiar. Over the last several years, it has found serious support in the Republican Party. How did this come to pass?

Eric Dondero: Hard work by a bunch of libertarians who left the Libertarian Party and joined the GOP in the late 1980s and early 1990s. We formed a group called the Republican Liberty Caucus, starting in Florida. We started attending Young Republican conventions all over the country, Fla., the Carolinas, New England states like New Hampshire, California. We were rejected at first. Cast off as crazy "drug legalizers." But we scored some wins during the Republican Revolution of 1994, having done the shoe leather walking precincts work for some GOP congressman, and won grudging respect. By the late 1990s we were pretty much a welcomed, though not much respected, segment of the GOP coalition.

Cotto: Many political forecasters are saying that the future of the American center-right belongs to libertarians; specifically those of the Ron Paul variety. Do you share this view?

Dondero: No. Not of the Ron Paul variety. The Ron Paulists are in the doldrums right now. They lost all around. They've split up. The few left are flailing around, looking for something to latch onto. But the libertarian wing in general is doing well. It's the counter-Jihadist, pro-defense libertarians who are on the ascendance, those of us who align with the Tea Party folks on defense matters. The TEA-ers are uncomfortable with the Paulists. Always have been. But with us pro-defense libertarians, they find some comradeship, even if they still think we're crazy on drugs.

...

Cotto: National security is a subject on which libertarians are criticized due to their almost peacenik stances. From your standpoint, do libertarian Republicans differ from the stereotype?

Dondero: Yes. Absolutely. You must understand, our libertarian movement, specifically the Libertarian Party, was hijacked in the early to mid-1970s by a bunch of Peacenicks headed by Murray Rothbard, and Justin Raimondo publisher of AntiWar.com. They were extremely effective. So much so, that we pro-defense libertarians were sent out into the hinterlands. But we are the original libertarians. The libertarian movement in the 1960s before the Libertarian Party was stridently ant-Soviet, Ayn Rand, Barry Goldwater, even a young Californian named Dana Rohrabacher, who was Chairman of Libertarian Caucus of YAF in the late 1960s.

We pro-defensers are winning our movement back. We'd like to think its because of our wonderful activism. But in truth, it's just a matter of reality. Sharia Law is entirely inconsistent with libertarian beliefs. Simply put Islamists want to outlaw booze, jail marijuana smokers for life, hang gays from the nearest lamppost, and force our pretty wives and girlfriends to wear ugly black burkas from head to toe. Even the most diehard non-intervention Ron Paulist today will grudgingly admit that rising Islamism poses a threat to our personal liberties.

And surprise, surprise! We libertarians who oppose Islamism, end up siding with our friends in the Religious Right on this. Yes, we come about it from an entirely different direction, but we end up being in the same exact spot.

:rolleyes:

-t

Lucille
01-09-2013, 05:54 PM
Even the most diehard non-intervention Ron Paulist today will grudgingly admit that rising Islamism poses a threat to our personal liberties.

The Islamicists have never taken away any of my civil liberties. That would be the US government.

Maybe they should stop supporting wars "building" Islamic Theocracies all over MENA if they believe that though.

pochy1776
01-09-2013, 05:57 PM
He must not get much p*ssy. Or maybe he has this really bad obsession with destroying ron paul.

tangent4ronpaul
01-09-2013, 05:59 PM
He must not get much p*ssy. Or maybe he has this really bad obsession with destroying ron paul.

I guess you don't know the history of this former RP staffer. I'll let someone else fill you in...

-t

Spikender
01-09-2013, 06:00 PM
He must not get much p*ssy. Or maybe he has this really bad obsession with destroying ron paul.

Both.


The Islamicists have never taken away any of my civil liberties. That would be the US government.

Maybe they should stop supporting wars "building" Islamic Theocracies all over MENA if they believe that though.

Holy shit, I'd like to meet what "diehard non-intervention Ron Paulists" he was talking to.

fr33
01-09-2013, 06:05 PM
Eric Dondero represents the unphilosophical and unintelligent definition of a libertarian being; "a pro-drugs republican" or a "pot smoking republican". Non of his positions are based on the non aggression principle. He just wants a smaller government in certain areas but tyranny for his pet prejudices.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
01-09-2013, 06:16 PM
http://media.washtimes.com/media/community/viewpoint/entry/2013/01/07/Eric_Dondero_Ron_Paul_640_s640x427.jpg?73b8e216858 96c3f2859310aaa5adb253919b641

Asking Eric Dondero: Is Ron Paul libertarianism the GOP's future?
hxxp://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/jan/7/asking-eric-dondero-ron-paul-libertarianism-gops-f/

Joseph F. Cotto: Libertarianism is a philosophy with which most of us are familiar. Over the last several years, it has found serious support in the Republican Party. How did this come to pass?

Eric Dondero: Hard work by a bunch of libertarians who left the Libertarian Party and joined the GOP in the late 1980s and early 1990s. We formed a group called the Republican Liberty Caucus, starting in Florida. We started attending Young Republican conventions all over the country, Fla., the Carolinas, New England states like New Hampshire, California. We were rejected at first. Cast off as crazy "drug legalizers." But we scored some wins during the Republican Revolution of 1994, having done the shoe leather walking precincts work for some GOP congressman, and won grudging respect. By the late 1990s we were pretty much a welcomed, though not much respected, segment of the GOP coalition.

Cotto: Many political forecasters are saying that the future of the American center-right belongs to libertarians; specifically those of the Ron Paul variety. Do you share this view?

Dondero: No. Not of the Ron Paul variety. The Ron Paulists are in the doldrums right now. They lost all around. They've split up. The few left are flailing around, looking for something to latch onto. But the libertarian wing in general is doing well. It's the counter-Jihadist, pro-defense libertarians who are on the ascendance, those of us who align with the Tea Party folks on defense matters. The TEA-ers are uncomfortable with the Paulists. Always have been. But with us pro-defense libertarians, they find some comradeship, even if they still think we're crazy on drugs.

...

Cotto: National security is a subject on which libertarians are criticized due to their almost peacenik stances. From your standpoint, do libertarian Republicans differ from the stereotype?

Dondero: Yes. Absolutely. You must understand, our libertarian movement, specifically the Libertarian Party, was hijacked in the early to mid-1970s by a bunch of Peacenicks headed by Murray Rothbard, and Justin Raimondo publisher of AntiWar.com. They were extremely effective. So much so, that we pro-defense libertarians were sent out into the hinterlands. But we are the original libertarians. The libertarian movement in the 1960s before the Libertarian Party was stridently ant-Soviet, Ayn Rand, Barry Goldwater, even a young Californian named Dana Rohrabacher, who was Chairman of Libertarian Caucus of YAF in the late 1960s.

We pro-defensers are winning our movement back. We'd like to think its because of our wonderful activism. But in truth, it's just a matter of reality. Sharia Law is entirely inconsistent with libertarian beliefs. Simply put Islamists want to outlaw booze, jail marijuana smokers for life, hang gays from the nearest lamppost, and force our pretty wives and girlfriends to wear ugly black burkas from head to toe. Even the most diehard non-intervention Ron Paulist today will grudgingly admit that rising Islamism poses a threat to our personal liberties.

And surprise, surprise! We libertarians who oppose Islamism, end up siding with our friends in the Religious Right on this. Yes, we come about it from an entirely different direction, but we end up being in the same exact spot.

:rolleyes:

-t

What movement? The revolution has already been fought. The only reason to fight another one is to overthrow the prior one. We don't need to do that. Remember, jaw bone of an ass. Not only are none of these cowards worth wasting a bullet on, but a thousand aren't worth it. That is what a jaw bone of an ass is for. Relax. Load. Don't charge it. Keep it locked and at the ready. Think. First off, the truth is on our side. If we will allow it to do so, evil will pretty much destroy itself. Of course, keep the jaw bone of an ass at your side at all times. Don't swing your jaw bone at any zombie unless you plan on cutting its heads off.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
01-09-2013, 06:17 PM
Eric Dondero represents the unphilosophical and unintelligent definition of a libertarian being; "a pro-drugs republican" or a "pot smoking republican". Non of his positions are based on the non aggression principle. He just wants a smaller government in certain areas but tyranny for his pet prejudices.

What is the difference between philosophy and intelligence?

fr33
01-09-2013, 06:23 PM
What is the difference between philosophy and intelligence?A philosophy can be had without intelligence and be based on no intelligence.

mz10
01-09-2013, 06:29 PM
force our pretty wives and girlfriends to wear ugly black burkas from head to toe

I get the feeling he doesn't have a pretty wife/girlfriend

Brian4Liberty
01-09-2013, 07:44 PM
Maybe Dumdero will get a job at the new GLNN Beck Libertarian network? Seems like a perfect fit.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
01-09-2013, 07:46 PM
A philosophy can be had without intelligence and be based on no intelligence.

What is intelligence?
I would think that intelligence has to be measured from a set political platform as, in contrast, Soctrates always claimed that he knew nothing as he would narrow down terms by asking constant questions towards a better quality truth or, as Plato might say, towards a best principled statement.

A famous best-principled statement made by Descartes, "I think, therefore I am."
Oh, by the way, this is not a logical statement. It is rational, but not logical.

An intelligent person might know a lot of definitions of words or even how to speak different languages while a philosopher, as Plato might have concluded, is going to be able to relate different terms together concluding some of them to be more formal in their value in their relationship with other less informal terms.

Philosophers proved such a thing existed as "truth" by the utilization of truth engines. These rational processes would input raw data and output high quality truths.
In contrast, the sophists made a lot of money convincing people that no such virtue as the "truth" existed by first arguing rather eloquently one side of the argument, and after a break, arguing the other side of it.

Great sophist statement: "Man is the measure of all things."
While the above statement seems to be true, it is just telling the audience what they want to hear.

Confederate
01-09-2013, 07:49 PM
Eric Dondero represents the unphilosophical and unintelligent definition of a libertarian being; "a pro-drugs republican" or a "pot smoking republican". Non of his positions are based on the non aggression principle.

Sounds like Gary Johnson.

otherone
01-09-2013, 08:02 PM
The guy is just newspeaking and trying to co-opt actual Libertarianism. He should pick up the Constitution and reread it.

AGRP
01-09-2013, 08:07 PM
But with us pro-defense libertarians, they find some comradeship, even if they still think we're crazy on drugs.

Who is this idiot? I dont blame them for thinking youre on drugs. Probably prescriptions and alcohol like the rest of your neocon friends in DC.

ClydeCoulter
01-09-2013, 08:12 PM
Preview of the Beck Libertarian?

AGRP
01-09-2013, 08:14 PM
Eric Dondero is a writer and activist. He has devoted much of his career to bringing about greater awareness of libertarianism in the Republican Party.

Is that what makes him special? The same could be said about half of the people at rpf. Me thinks "eric" is a professional troll. Much like Beck.

RonPaulFanInGA
01-09-2013, 08:21 PM
Really? No one has done it yet?

Donderoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo o!

Sick of this bitter, fired former staffer. Ron Paul canned him a decade ago, and he's still trying to get attention by being a "former Ron Paul staffer" that the media quotes. Paul's retirement must scare the hell out of him, the gravy train is coming to an end unless he can convince anyone that he has any relevant insight on 20-something year old Rand Paul.