Piers Morgan destroyed by former Marine in gun control debate

[compromise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TEBy6KPjVw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TEBy6KPjVw

Piers Morgan can't win either way, whether he has an insult match or a real debate like this one - he always loses.

[sluggo]

Piers Morgan is such a sleazeball.

[paulbot24]

If he keeps this up he just might save CNN, and that would be a real tragedy. They say Alex Jones is an opportunist.

[unklejman]

Guest: "undeniable fact/evidence"

Morgan: "Well I simply have to disagree with that."

[nobody's_hero]

They're certainly getting better ratings now that they're getting the other side of the argument. Hmm. Could it be that CNN has been selling itself short by only pandering to what one half of the population wants to hear?

This is bad. If they realize this, it might save them.

I flinched a bit on the "car" not being in the Bill of Rights answer.

A better answer for the 'passing down the car' to your kids would have been, "Yeah, you guys fucked that up with all your regulations too." LOL

[nobody's_hero]

Piers Morgan can't win either way, whether he has an insult match or a real debate like this one - he always loses.

That tells me it is time to go on the offensive.

[presence]

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[Lucille]

The last bit was funny, in an ironic sort of way. Morgan told him he respected him for his military service and defending our freedoms, when Boston did more to defend our freedoms when he wrote that letter to Feinstein than he did during those many years he spent in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[anaconda]

The marine mentioned the tyrannical government reason early on, but never returned to it. 2nd Amendment folks rarely say in the media that the federal government now may be evolving into the form of tyranny that the founders hoped the citizens would resist, and that the citizens have the right to do so. And two centuries do not change that, except by amendment. There is so much evidence and it rarely seems to be brought up. TSA, drones, surveillance, indefinite detention, check points, asset seizure, etc. etc. etc. Perhaps the 2nd Amendment argument should not be quite so fearful of the political correctness.

[TheTexan]

I'd like to see an exchange of this sort:


Do you think cops should be able to carry semi-automatic rifles?

(yes)

Why do you think cops should be the only ones able to carry semi-automatic rifles?

(some bullshit answer)

So, the bottom line is, this would mean the government would have a monopoly of force over the people. Are you ok with that?

(more bullshit answer, or an honest answer of 'yes, that is what I want')

Well, that's where we disagree then. You want the government to have a monopoly on force, and I can not allow it, for <the many reasons why>. If you choose to go down that path, I will have no choice but to take up arms in defense of my life and my freedom.

[Lucille]

The marine mentioned the tyrannical government reason early on, but never returned to it. 2nd Amendment folks rarely say in the media that the federal government now may be evolving into the form of tyranny that the founders hoped the citizens would resist, and that the citizens have the right to do so. And two centuries do not change that, except by amendment. There is so much evidence and it rarely seems to be brought up. TSA, drones, surveillance, indefinite detention, check points, asset seizure, etc. etc. etc. Perhaps the 2nd Amendment argument should not be quite so fearful of the political correctness.

I know. The USG is evidently preparing for something huge. All of those things are proof that it can happen here, and is. And if it can't happen here, I sure as hell would like to know why the USG feels the need for all that shit.

[paulbot24]

Like the DHS needing 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition? That is a very good point.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/why_does_homeland_security_need_14_billion_rounds_ of_ammunition.html

[presence]

You want the government
to have a monopoly on force,and
I can not allow it!

^^

[106459]

Good video, but oddly, I'm a little disappointed. I suppose in the fact that Morgan wasn't completely shut down, as gun control arguments make zero sense. So, I suppose I'll add my own thoughts.

I actually like to introduce them to their absurdity, especially gun free zones. I just don't understand at all. They're going to make a law...to prevent criminals...from doing something. Have any of them read the definition as to what MAKES a criminal? By definition, criminals MUST break laws. It's literally the definition. They would not be a criminal if they did not break laws. Therefore, by definition, criminals will not care if there is a "gun free zone," as has been proved over and over again. When was the last time there was a mass shooting at a gun show?

Now, I'd like to know exactly who thought of the idea of gun free zones. See, isn't the purpose of that to prevent murders and violence? Why not just create a murder free zone? And why only create a murder free zone in schools? Why not create a murder free zone across the entire United States? That way, no one will ever be murdered ever again. I mean, it's the law. Don't murder anyone, this is a murder free zone. Plus! Everyone can have guns! Because since there is now a murder free zone, no one would ever use them to murder anyone. Very nice.

Now, what makes me REALLY angry is, a lot of things, actually. So, a couple: when people talk about how assault weapons should be banned because they're "mass murdering machines." That a handgun is completely appropriate to defend yourself with. There's just so many things wrong with it. First, statistics show that around 10x more killings happen from handguns every year rather than assault rifles. Then they say "But are they mass shootings? Do they kill innocent children? Those are isolated events, they don't count as much." That makes no sense. I don't care in what package quantities people were slaughtered. The fact stands that handguns are far more "dangerous" than assault rifles in terms of killing people. So, they need to get their story straight. (Of course, it actually is straight, we ban the scary assault rifles first...then, we realize handguns are even MORE "dangerous", and since we already banned scary assault rifles -- DUH, we ban handguns).
Oh, and those mass shootings wouldn't occur if people had the ability to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. There's no way anyone is going to kill 30 people with people shooting at them. One time, I got nonsense about the Aurora movie theater shooting. "What if they have body armor, everybody else is just going to go around in body armor too then?" (Yes, if they want to.) No. It's not necessary. Overheard a TV program talking one time, body armor isn't some magic bullet stopper. All it does is prevent the bullet from piercing your body -- if it works correctly. That does nothing to stop the energy of the bullet, which still impacts your body. I believe the show stated a .40 caliber handgun round has the energy equivalent of a professionally thrown 90mph baseball. Not ideal shooting conditions.

So, they argue they're far too deadly in terms of firepower. The man in the video did an excellent point in raising the question of multiple intruders. 6 shots with a revolver couldn't necessarily stop a single man. And yes, most times, the liberals will concede the right to self-defense. Well, there's nothing pretty about self-defense. If it comes to the point I have to defend my life, I want the most effective tool possible. When my and my family's life is on the line, that's not the time for me to be playing games. If there's five armed intruders, I don't have time to reload a handgun or even assault rifle. And I need it to be lethal, I can't afford for them to be shooting bullets at me and my family.

So, what I was really referencing when I mentioned becoming angry, was that giving up assault rifles was an "acceptable sacrifice." "If it means no more mass shootings in schools, then I'm ok with it." Nonsense. Again, so much wrong with it. There is one VERY important fact to keep in mind. If people are not willing to do what it takes to defend themselves SERIOUSLY, there is NOTHING the government will be able to do to help. Period. If people can't defend themselves, it doesn't matter if they're being murdered by a handgun, tire iron, or strangulation. They will die. No laws will stop criminal intent. Only their ability to ward off an attacker. Which will be 0 considering they don't take their self-defense seriously.

Now, I'm supposed to give up MY right and ability to defend myself just because someone incredibly naive failed to take care of themselves? I don't think so. The United States doesn't work like that. First of all, we believe that our rights are god-given, not privileges awarded at the government's discretion. Second, we don't live in a Democracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic. Which, again, has rights, not privileges. I DON'T CARE if 99% of people think I should "sacrifice something for the greater good." It's not their decision. It's my right. And frankly, they've failed to present any evidence that my relinquishing of guns will do anything to benefit the greater good. Especially because I'm not a criminal.

Now, if they would like to institute murder free zones, and the world magically becomes a safe place, I will seriously consider giving up my guns. Of course, that is after they explain to me it's still necessary seeing as how guns no longer murder people.

"I just think the world will be a safer place without guns." ... OK. Tell me again, how did prohibition work out? Oh, that's a stupid example? Fine. Marijuana. Schedule 1 drug, blanket ban under federal law. No one would EVER be able to possess marijuana, right? No wait, I believe it's something like 50% of today's youth have tried it. Yeah, bans work.

I also like "You're a lunatic for thinking you need a gun to protect yourself from some mass shooting situation." Yet, the entire premise of their gun grab is to prevent mass shooting situations. Yes, you have conceded that mass shootings are a threat. Such a serious threat that, in fact, you're going to completely throw out the 2nd amendment just to prevent it. That seems pretty serious to me.

But, those are a few of my thoughts. Hopefully I articulated them well enough.

[JK/SEA]

bump

[dinosaur]

Yay, he managed to portray himelf as being more reasonable and knowledgable than Piers.

[Deborah K]

There is no way to ban semi-autos, collect them from the law abiding citizens, and expect that the criminals will give theirs up. Why doesn't anyone ever ask people like Morgan how in the hell they're going to get them from the criminals??? The cat is out of the bag.

[BAllen]

I was listening to a radio show today. Their argument was that if guns are banned, there won't be as many around for the criminals to steal. Less guns=less availability. Should be, Less guns=more victims for criminals. They also said that the 2nd amendment was designed for a militia, b/c at the time, the U.S. did not have the money for a full, standing army.

[Deborah K]

I was listening to a radio show today. Their argument was that if guns are banned, there won't be as many around for the criminals to steal. Less guns=less availability. Should be, Less guns=more victims for criminals. They also said that the 2nd amendment was designed for a milita, b/c at the time, the U.S. did not have the money for a full, standing army.

Too bad ignoramuses like that always forget this part of the DOI:



That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Just how do they expect the people to accomplish the above without the right to bear arms?

[Deborah K]

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." -- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." -- George Mason, 3 Elliott, Debates at 425-426

"A militia, when properly formed, Are in fact the people themselves... and include all men capable of bearing arms." -- Richard Henry Lee, Senator, First Congress, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." -- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

"...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them..." -- George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380

"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." -- Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. ... Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46. at 243-244

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" -- Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these states...Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America." -- Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -- Tench Cox in "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution." Under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside...Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived the use of them..." -- Thomas Paine, I writings of Thomas Paine at 56 (1894)

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." -- Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights ... Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21, 22, 124 (Univ. of Alabama Press, 1975)

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." -- Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646

"A free people ought...to be armed..." -- George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790 in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790

"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution ... Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia, ...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 (2d ed. Richmond, 1805). Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386.

"...the people have a right to keep and bear arms." -- Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the _real_ object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" -- Patrick Henry ... 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." -- Samuel Adams ... Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" -- Thomas Jefferson ... A quote from Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939

"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms. -- Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, June 1776,

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)

"Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense..." -- John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the UAS, 471 (1788)

"the ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone," -- James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper No. 46.

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their powers to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article [the Second Amendment] in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -- from article in the Philadelphia Federal by Tench Cox ten days after the introduction of the Bill of Rights ... Philadelphia Federal Gazette June 18, 1789 at 2, col. 1

"Last Monday a string of amendments were presented to the lower house; these altogether respect personal liberty..." -- Senator William Grayson of Virginia in a letter to Patrick Henry

"The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." -- Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" -- Patrick Henry) ... 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

"...the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms" -- from article in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette ten days after the introduction of the Bill of Rights ... Philadelphia Federal Gazette June 18, 1789 at 2, col.2

"There are going to be situations where people are going to go without assistance. That's just the facts of life." --LA Chief of Police, Gates.

"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable; and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come!" -- Patrick Henry (1736-1799) in his famous "The War Inevitable" speech, March, 1775

"It is in vain, Sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace! -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the North will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that Gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry (1736-1799) in his famous "The War Inevitable" speech, March, 1775

"The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press." -- Thomas Jefferson

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939.

"No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson, June 1776

"The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time." --Thomas Jefferson (1774)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk." -- Encyclopedia of Thomas Jefferson, 318 (Foley, Ed., reissued 1967)

"...for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion." -- Alexander Hamilton

"The best that we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton (The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

"Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion... in private self-defense..." -- John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).

"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will be America's heart, her benedictions and prayers, but she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator of her own." -- John Quincy Adams, 1821.

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent *the people* of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ..." -- Samuel Adams in arguing for a Bill of Rights, from the book "Massachusetts," published by Pierce & Hale, Boston, 1850, pg. 86-87.

"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." -- Richard Henry Lee writing in "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1787-1788

"The militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves, .. [T]he Constitution ought to secure a genuine [militia] and guard against a select militia, by providing that the militia shall always be kept well organized, armed, and disciplined, and include ... all men capable of bearing arms;..." -- Richard Henry Lee writing in "Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic", 1788, page 169.

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." -- Rep. Eldridge Gerry of Massachusetts (spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

"This declaration of rights, I take it, is intended to secure the people against the maladministration of the Government, if we could suppose that, in all cases, the rights of the people would be attended to, the occasion for guards of this kind would be removed. Now, I am apprehensive, sir, that this clause would give an opportunity to the people in power to destroy the Constitution itself. They can declare who are those religiously scrupulous, and prevent them from bearing arms." -- Eldridge Gerry, speaking on the 2nd Amendment (1 Annals of Cong. Aug. 17, 1789)

[The American Colonies are] "all democratic governments, where the power is in the hands of the people and where there is not the least difficulty or jealousy about putting arms into the hands of every man in the country. [European countries should not] be ignorant of the strength and the force of such a form of government and how strenuously and almost wonderfully people living under one have sometimes exerted themselves in defence of their rights and liberties and how fatally it has ended with many a man and many a state who have entered into quarrels, wars and contests with them." -- George Mason from "Remarks on Annual Elections for the Fairfax Independent Company" quoted from The Papers of George Mason, 1725-1792 edited by Robert A. Rutland [Chapel Hill, 1970]

"That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies in time of peace should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power." -- George Mason, Article 13 of The Virginia Declaration of Rights of 1776

"Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except for a few public officials." -- George Mason, Framer of the Declaration of Rights, Virginia, 1776, which became the basis for the U.S. Bill of Rights; 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.

"What the subcommittee on the Constitution uncovered was clear - and long lost - proof that the Second Amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms." -- Senator Orrin Hatch, Chairman, Subcommittee on the Constitution, Preface, "The Right To Keep And Bear Arms"

"The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by rule of construction be conceived to give the Congress the power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." -- William Rawle, 1825; considered academically to be an expert commentator on the Constitution. He was offered the position of the first Attorney General of the United States, by President Washington.

"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire a dangerous servant and a terrible master." -- George Washington

[paulbot24]

"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be
formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in
discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in
Federalist 29.)

This is THE quote to use when fools try to say the 2nd amendment was referring to the military. I think this might also be the only issue Hamilton and Jefferson actually agreed upon.

I know I don't need to "teach" you anything Deborah K, it is just my personal favorite.

[osan]

This kid handles himself pretty well - keeps his cool, knows mostly of what he speaks, but in another clip he stated that the 2A grants us the RKBA, which of course is fundamentally incorrect.

Another thing: he should have pounced on several points. For instance, Morgan refers to the "AR15 assault rifle", which of course does not exist in the same way there is no such thing as an "assault weapon".

Morgan is a corrupt ignoramus when he tried to play off the rights of children to go to school without fear of being murdered against the RKBA, as if it was an either/or deal and as if one fundamental right trumps another. These are the sorts of logical failures that need to be hung around that imbeciles neck, as well as those of his ilk.

Edit: oh, and FUCK McChrystal. Traitorous bastard.

[TheTexan]

You want the government to have a monopoly on force, and I can not allow it

The above is the beginning and end of the debate... everything else is a distraction.

Try not to get caught up in the statistics and hypotheticals and all that bullshit

[A. Havnes]

He should have returned to the point that you can't take down a tyrannical government with a few handguns - that's what the AK-15s are for.

[paulbot24]

"Unconstitutional laws are not laws." What an awesome closer. It just left her looking like a tazed clown wishing she hadn't let him finish. That was beautiful.

[CaptLouAlbano]

He should have returned to the point that you can't take down a tyrannical government with a few handguns - that's what the AK-15s are for.

While I agree, that is where we go from looking reasonable, and able to persuade to going into la-la land. Remember Obama has around 50% approval in this country, those people (and likely many who do not approve of Obama) cannot fathom the notion that they are (or could be) a tyrannical government that we need to take up arms against. The concept is beyond the imagination of most Americans, and phrasing like that doesn't help our case.

All in all, the guy did a great job. I think he could have had a better answer regarding high capacity magazines, e.g. "Why should I have 30 rounds? Because I never want to stand over the lifeless body of my child because I had to reload."