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Lucille
01-09-2013, 10:08 AM
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers (http://www.spectacle.org/797/finkel.html)."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/130255.html


It has been some 3-4 years since I last held my classic "election" on the first day of class in our law school. (The students - 2nd and 3rd year - don't know who I am, and I hand out the ballots before doing or saying anything.) The candidates for office are Candidate A and Candidate B, each of whom is identified not by name, but by description of behavior and/or policies advocated. In the past, Candidate B receives - on the average - about 75% of the vote. Today - with 22 students voting - Candidate B received 20 votes [just under 91% of the vote] while Candidate A got 2 votes [just over 9%].

Oh, yes, for those who haven't followed this exercise before - of which I have reported herein in the past - Candidate A is a composite of such Revolutionary War heroes as George Washington, John Hancock, Sam Adams, Paul Revere, etc.. Candidate B is Adolf Hitler.

Someone should shoot this over to Jon Stewart (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?400550-Alex-Jones-to-Debate-Piers-Morgan-LIVE!-1-7-12-9PM-ET-%28video-added%29/page21&p=4813226#post4813226).

jclay2
01-09-2013, 10:23 AM
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers (http://www.spectacle.org/797/finkel.html)."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/130255.html



Someone should shoot this over to Jon Stewart (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?400550-Alex-Jones-to-Debate-Piers-Morgan-LIVE!-1-7-12-9PM-ET-%28video-added%29/page21&p=4813226#post4813226).

I really think ron was wrong when he said freedom is popular. Evidence is to the contrary. Tyranny is popular.

phill4paul
01-09-2013, 10:24 AM
I really think ron was wrong when he said freedom is popular. Evidence is to the contrary. Tyranny is popular.

At least with lawyers it is. :p

jbauer
01-09-2013, 10:27 AM
Freedom isn't popular. Freedom takes work. Americans don't want to work they want comfort. If you offer people comfort you'll get them hook line and sinker each and every time.

sailingaway
01-09-2013, 10:29 AM
That line 'the first the we should do is kill all the lawyers' was advice for how to impose tyranny, saying people who knew the rights of the people and how to logically argue them, and who would do so, were dangerous to imposition of tyranny. It is Lew's job to teach them better.

http://www.howardnations.com/shakespeare.html

green73
01-09-2013, 10:47 AM
Here is the quiz as of 2003.


Candidate A is identified as "a well-known critic of government, this man has been involved in tax protest movements, and has openly advocated secession, armed rebellion against the existing national government, and even the overthrow of that government. He is a known member of a militia group that was involved in a shoot-out with law enforcement authorities. He opposes gun control efforts of the present national government, as well as restrictions on open immigration into this country. He is a businessman who has earned his fortune from such businesses as alcohol, tobacco, retailing, and smuggling."

Candidate B is described thusly: "A decorated army war veteran, this man is an avowed nonsmoker and dedicated public health advocate. His public health interests include the fostering of medical research and his dedication to eliminating cancer. He opposes the use of animals in conducting such research. He has supported restrictions on the use of asbestos, pesticides, and radiation, and favors government-determined occupational health and safety standards, as well as the promotion of such foods as whole-grain bread and soybeans. He is an advocate of government gun-control measures. An ardent opponent of tobacco, he has supported increased restrictions on both the use of and advertising for tobacco products. Such advertising restrictions include: [1] not allowing tobacco use to be portrayed as harmless or a sign of masculinity; [2] not allowing such advertising to be directed to women; [3] not drawing attention to the low nicotine content of tobacco products; and, [4] limitations as to where such advertisements may be made. This man is a champion of environmental and conservationist programs, and believes in the importance of sending troops into foreign countries in order to maintain order therein."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer52.html

Lucille
01-09-2013, 10:47 AM
That line 'the first the we should do is kill all the lawyers' was advice for how to impose tyranny, saying people who knew the rights of the people and how to logically argue them, and who would do so, were dangerous to imposition of tyranny. It is Lew's job to teach them better.

http://www.howardnations.com/shakespeare.html

That was mine, not Lew's. Read my link (http://www.spectacle.org/797/finkel.html)!"


The argument of this remark as in fact being favorable to lawyers is a marvel of sophistry, twisting of the meaning of words in unfamiliar source, disregard of the evident intent of the original author and ad hominem attack. Whoever first came up with this interpretation surely must have been a lawyer.



Here is the quiz as of 2003.



http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer52.html

TY! I wondered about that.

rprprs
01-09-2013, 10:49 AM
I really think ron was wrong when he said freedom is popular....

Yep, probably the one thing he was ever wrong about.

But then, again, perhaps it would be, if they had ever experienced it.

angelatc
01-09-2013, 10:49 AM
That line 'the first the we should do is kill all the lawyers' was advice for how to impose tyranny, saying people who knew the rights of the people and how to logically argue them, and who would do so, were dangerous to imposition of tyranny. It is Lew's job to teach them better.

http://www.howardnations.com/shakespeare.html

The first link point that out.

jbauer
01-09-2013, 10:51 AM
In fairness to the 2003 quiz Lew does a good job of making the 1st sound bad and the 2nd sound wonderful. If it was the same quiz this year with all this gun hoopla going on its not supprising that only 2 of 20 voted Candidate A.

sailingaway
01-09-2013, 10:52 AM
That was mine, not Lew's. Read my link (http://www.spectacle.org/797/finkel.html)!"



TY! I wondered about that.

read the play yourself. they are speaking of an unspeakable tyranny and saying killing the lawyers is necessary to make it so, imho. However, it isn't worth hijacking the thread, sorry about that.

jmdrake
01-09-2013, 11:03 AM
In fairness to the 2003 quiz Lew does a good job of making the 1st sound bad and the 2nd sound wonderful. If it was the same quiz this year with all this gun hoopla going on its not supprising that only 2 of 20 voted Candidate A.

That's true. What's wrong with being a nonsmoker and believing in "the promotion of such foods as whole-grain bread and soybeans"? Yes the implication is that Hitler used government to push those ideas (well, more than just an implication when it comes to smoking) but a few universally accepted positive characteristics of candidate A could be helpful in making the poll more realistic. (Dedicated family man?) That said, yeah a lot of people would vote for and have voted for totalitarianism.

Acala
01-09-2013, 11:31 AM
I really think ron was wrong when he said freedom is popular. Evidence is to the contrary. Tyranny is popular.

Freedom is popular - once the alternative is fully implemented.