Suggest experiment regarding firearm removal from the community

[truelies]

Do fewer guns equate to less violence? Lets find out by experimentation in one State, Illinois.

We start by a 100% gun grab encompassing all State/Local agencies and their staff (including contract staff) to include police and security for government officials. Draw a State paycheck? Neither you nor any member of your household may own or possess a firearm at any time. All public buildings and private homes of government staff will display prominent signs regarding the gun grabbed status. Violation of this process by any State employee/contractor will result in a minimum 10 year prison term. Self defense even in 'line of duty' not to be a mitigating circumstance.

Lets try this for oh say five years & see if the State becomes a safer less violent place.

[jbauer]

A better idea would be to try it in DC

[seapilot]

Already happened in the UK. More home invasions and assaults. Of course the criminals did not turn in their guns. If a person attacks a criminal in self defense and hurts the criminal they could be charged.

Source:http://www.saf.org/journal/16/guncontrolinengland.pdf

[pcosmar]

Already happened in the UK.

Nope. Never happened.

Police have guns. the subjects (victims) were disarmed.

[madengr]

The whole "I'll turn in my guns when the government does" neglects the "great equalizer". My 120# wife can dead stop a 300# thug with her 1911. That woman in India raped with an iron rod may have been spared given her or her companion, or preferably both, had a pistol with a "high capacity" magazine.

So no, I'll never turn in my guns even if guaranteed some gun free "utopia".

[seapilot]

Nope. Never happened.

Police have guns. the subjects (victims) were disarmed.

Not most of the police on the front line. Sure they have a swat type team that has them though, but they are not active patrolling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398

[AFPVet]

Not most of the police on the front line. Sure they have a swat type team that has them though, but they are not active patrolling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398

Yeah, they have a 'firearms division' that can be called. Alex was right though... although their firearm related crime is extremely low, their overall violent crime is quite high.

[pcosmar]

Not most of the police on the front line. Sure they have a swat type team that has them though, but they are not active patrolling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398

Once upon a time,, English cops had no guns. and citizens did.

That has changed..

And folks over there will piss themselves over airsoft.

[Zippyjuan]

DC and Chicago are both large cities. Both have had similar gun laws. One has seem gun crime soar and the other has seen gun crime fall. This says that there are other factors besides gun laws at work. Neither (fewer or more guns) would have had any impact on the events in Aurora or Connecticuit.

[Spikender]

Screw experimentation, I don't want innocent people hurt over some experiment. I know this is probably just to illustrate how absurd this all is, but seriously, if there is a voluntary experiment where a community completely disarms themselves, then they can be my damn guest.

Only thing I know is, I'm not gonna take part in it because I actually give a damn about my own well-being and that of my family and friends.

[Zippyjuan]

Already happened in the UK. More home invasions and assaults. Of course the criminals did not turn in their guns. If a person attacks a criminal in self defense and hurts the criminal they could be charged.

Source:http://www.saf.org/journal/16/guncontrolinengland.pdf

What has been happening with crime in Britain?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm


Analysis: UK gun crime figures

By Dominic Casciani
Home affairs reporter, BBC News

What do we really know about the extent of gun crime in England and Wales?

During 2007, nine young people lost their lives in shootings, including the killing of 11-year-old Rhys Jones in Liverpool.

According to Home Office figures, there were 59 firearms-related homicides in 2006-07 compared with 49 in the previous year. That is an increase of 18% in just one year. There were 507 serious injuries from firearms - more than one incident a day.

But at the same time, the trend in gun crime overall has been going down.

Overall firearms offences, including air guns, fell 14% in 2006-07 from 21,527 incidents to 18,489.

Just over half of all firearms offences occurred in just three major forces - the Metropolitan Police in London, Greater Manchester and West Midlands.

The trend in firearms offences is down in the West Midlands, Greater Manchester and London.





Knife crime

In fact, the most common weapon used in a violent crime in England and Wales is not a gun - but a knife.
There are four times more knife-related killings as firearms-related killings

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44075000/gif/_44075309_f_arms_recorded_gra203.gif
59 homicides in a year is an incredibly low number- especially when compared to the US.

[truelies]

.........................59 homicides in a year is an incredibly low number- especially when compared to the US.

yeah, the soviet union had a low rate of private gun crimes also.

[truelies]

Still I do believe that no State official/agent/contractor/employee should be permitted to own or handle a firearm.