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Anti Federalist
01-07-2013, 06:31 PM
Or something.

At least that's what I took away from this rambling train wreck of an article.

And this guy makes his living writing speeches???





Marijuana use is too risky a choice

By David Frum, CNN Contributor
updated 1:54 PM EST, Mon January 7, 2013

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/opinion/frum-marijuana-risk/index.html

Editor's note: David Frum, a CNN contributor, is a contributing editor at Newsweek and The Daily Beast. He is the author of eight books, including a new novel, "Patriots," and his post-election e-book, "Why Romney Lost." Frum was a special assistant to President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2002.

(CNN) -- Last week, I joined the board of a new organization to oppose marijuana legalization: Smart Approaches to Marijuana. The group is headed by former U.S. Rep. Patrick Kennedy and includes Kevin Sabet, a veteran of the Office of National Drug Control Policy under President Obama.

The new group rejects the "war on drugs" model. It agrees that we don't want to lock people up for casual marijuana use -- or even stigmatize them with an arrest record. But what we do want to do is send a clear message: Marijuana use is a bad choice.

There are many excellent reasons to avoid marijuana. Marijuana use damages brain development in young people. Heavy users become socially isolated and perform worse in school and at work. Marijuana smoke harms the lungs. A growing body of evidence suggests that marijuana can trigger psychotic symptoms that otherwise would have remained latent.

It's possible to imagine a marijuana rule that tries to respond precisely to such risk factors as happen to be known by the current state of science. Such a rule might say: "You shouldn't use marijuana until you are over 25, or after your brain has ceased to develop, whichever comes first. You shouldn't use marijuana if you are predisposed to certain mental illnesses (most of which we can't yet diagnose in advance). Be aware that about one-sixth of users will become chronically dependent on marijuana, and as a result will suffer a serious degradation of life outcomes. As yet, we have no sure idea at what dosage marijuana will impair your ability to drive safely, or how long the impairment will last. Be as careful as you can, within the limits of our present knowledge!"

Yet as a parent of three, two exiting adolescence and one entering, I've found that the argument that makes the biggest impression is: "Marijuana is illegal. Stay away." I think many other parents have found the same thing.

When we write social rules, we always need to consider: Who are we writing rules for? Some people can cope with complexity. Others need clarity. Some people will snap back from an early mistake. Others will never recover.

"Just say no" is an easy rule to follow. "It depends on individual risk factors, many of them unknowable in advance" -- that rule is not so easy.

Over the past three decades, and in area after area of social life, Americans have replaced simple rules that anybody can follow with complex rules that baffle large numbers of people.

Consider, for example, the home mortgage. Once the mortgage was a very simple product. Put 20% down, then sign up for a fixed schedule of payments over the next 30 years. In the space of a single generation, these 30-year fixed-rate amortizing mortgages turned what had been a nation of renters into a nation of homeowners.

The goal of public policy should be to protect ... the vulnerable from making life-wrecking mistakes in the first place.

For more sophisticated buyers, however, the standard mortgage was a big nuisance. For them, bankers developed more flexible products: no money down, no documentation, interest-only, adjustable rate. These products met genuine needs. But as they diffused down-market, they became traps for people who did not understand the risks they were accepting.

Consider how we finance higher education. Once, state governments subsidized their universities to offer a low tuition fee to all comers. Fee increases at private universities were constrained by the lower fees at the public institutions: Duke can raise its price only so high above the University of North Carolina. The universities soon realized, however, that by setting their tuition fees low, they were forgoing revenues that might be collected from the most affluent students. Universities rapidly raised their tuition fees, then offered discounts and aid to students in need.

But while anybody could understand a $500 per semester tuition bill, the new system of rebates confuses the very people who most need help.

A few days before Christmas, Jason DeParle of The New York Times reported a depressing example of the toll modern financial aid exacts upon students from less sophisticated backgrounds. He told the story of three bright girls from poor families who had recently tried -- and failed -- to gain college degrees. One of them was admitted to Emory, a prestigious school with a full-ticket price of $50,000, but one that grants very generous financial aid -- if the student can figure out how to make the financial aid work for her.

New pot law leaves Washington in limbo The trouble was that students who most need aid are often precisely those who have nobody around them who has ever successfully navigated a complicated bureaucratic institution like a university financial aid office.

"Though Emory sent weekly e-mails -- 17 of them, along with an invitation to a program for minority students -- they went to a school account she had not learned to check," DeParle wrote.

"Angelica reported that her mother made $35,000 a year and paid about half of that in rent. With her housing costs so high, Emory assumed the family had extra money and assigned ... an income of $51,000. ... (Angelica) discovered what had happened only recently."

Unable to cope with the school's e-mail system or to decrypt its rules for imputing family income, Angelica finally dropped out of Emory, burdened by $61,000 in student debt.

In 1943, Vice President Henry Wallace published a book celebrating the coming "century of the common man." That century did not last very long. We have transitioned instead into the era of the clever man and clever woman. We have revised our institutions, our programs, our rules in ways that offer profitable new chances to those with cultural know-how -- and that inflict disastrous consequences on those who are overwhelmed by a world of ever-more-abundant and ever-more-risky choices.

We're not going to uninvent the no-money-down loan. Universities that receive applications from all over the planet cannot finance themselves like an old-fashioned state land-grant college. But we need to recognize that modern life is becoming steadily more dangerous for people prone to make bad choices.

At a time when they need more help than ever to climb the ladder, marijuana legalization kicks them back down the ladder. The goal of public policy should not be to punish vulnerable kids for making life-wrecking mistakes. The goal of public policy should be to protect (to the extent we can) the vulnerable from making life-wrecking mistakes in the first place.

There's a trade-off, yes, and it takes the form of denying less vulnerable people easy access to a pleasure they believe they can safely use. But they are likely deluding themselves about how well they are managing their drug use. And even if they are not deluded -- if they really are so capable and effective -- then surely they can see that society has already been massively re-engineered for their benefit already. Surely, enough is enough?

Anti Federalist
01-07-2013, 06:37 PM
The goal of public policy should be to protect ... the vulnerable from making life-wrecking mistakes in the first place.

And there you have it.

Government should regulate to the lowest common denominator and your life controlled as if you were the most stupid person in the country.

jj-
01-07-2013, 06:50 PM
And this guy makes his living writing speeches???

Of course, we live in the age of idiocy. His stupidity is his greatest asset. Does it sound like he just got over a hangover? That's why he makes a living writing speeches.

KCIndy
01-07-2013, 06:56 PM
I think it all comes down to this:


When we write social rules, we always need to consider: Who are we writing rules for? Some people can cope with complexity. Others need clarity. Some people will snap back from an early mistake. Others will never recover.


Like all statists, Frum seems to feel that stupid laws shouldn't apply to him - he's *smart* after all! - but the same stupid laws SHOULD apply to all those poor sods who need to have the state save them from their own bad habits.

It is disgusting arrogance, but not surprising for that particular mindset.

Bruno
01-07-2013, 06:58 PM
"X is bad. The Government says so. Stay away."

paulbot24
01-07-2013, 07:02 PM
Last time I checked, laboratory rats are still given a choice on levers in their experiments, and that is what we are now, correct? Man we are fucked.

Brian4Liberty
01-07-2013, 07:29 PM
Wow, after reading that rambling nonsense, I have to conclude that Frum himself was on drugs while writing it.


Yet as a parent of three, two exiting adolescence and one entering, I've found that the argument that makes the biggest impression is: "Marijuana is illegal. Stay away." I think many other parents have found the same thing.

When we write social rules, we always need to consider: Who are we writing rules for? Some people can cope with complexity. Others need clarity. Some people will snap back from an early mistake. Others will never recover.

"Just say no" is an easy rule to follow. "It depends on individual risk factors, many of them unknowable in advance" -- that rule is not so easy.

Talk about a lazy parent. This idiot wants to have a law so that he can say "it's illegal, so you better do as I say!" What other laws will suit this moron? All children under 12 must go to bed by 9pm, it's the law! Children shall not eat more than 4 cookies a day, it's the law! No more than 1 hour of video game play per day, it's the law! Kids must clean their rooms once a week, it's the law!

And let's ignore all of the other ramifications and expenses of making every whim of David Frum a law.

How in the world does this idiot have a job where he is taken seriously?

sailingaway
01-07-2013, 07:30 PM
Only Frum is too stupid to make an informed choice.

jj-
01-07-2013, 07:34 PM
How in the world does this idiot have a job where he is taken seriously?

Because that's how the world works today! Intelligence is a handicap!

Humanae Libertas
01-07-2013, 08:17 PM
An authoritarian spewing out his usual statist garbage. Nothing new.

Occam's Banana
01-07-2013, 08:47 PM
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John F Kennedy III
01-07-2013, 09:16 PM
And there you have it.

Government should regulate to the lowest common denominator and your life controlled as if you were the most stupid person in the country.

Yep.

I'ma have to smoke a few more bowls and see if I can get "stupid" enough to figure out where this would be authorized in that pesky piece of paper known as the U.S. CONSTITUTION.

Danke
01-07-2013, 09:23 PM
Can anyone really argue some regulation isn't necessary? As an example, just look at some the images AF has posted on this forum.

Giuliani was there on 911
01-07-2013, 09:25 PM
The media glamorizing/glorifying and encouraging the use of drugs is just as bad as the government telling you not to use them.

farreri
01-07-2013, 09:33 PM
Frum is right, we can't make informed decisions about marijuana because we are hung over from the previous night's alcohol binge.

VoluntaryAmerican
01-07-2013, 09:36 PM
"There are many excellent reasons to avoid marijuana. Marijuana use damages brain development in young people. Heavy users become socially isolated and perform worse in school and at work. Marijuana smoke harms the lungs. A growing body of evidence suggests that marijuana can trigger psychotic symptoms that otherwise would have remained latent."

This is where he defeated his own argument.

farreri
01-07-2013, 09:38 PM
Is Frum saying drink alcohol instead?

Dr.3D
01-07-2013, 09:46 PM
Is Frum saying drink alcohol instead?
Na, that's hard on the liver and can kill brain cells.

Brian4Liberty
01-07-2013, 10:18 PM
An authoritarian spewing out his usual statist garbage. Nothing new.

It's completely natural for a person to want to force their every whim upon the world around them. This is an essential part of human development, somewhere between realizing they are not the only creature in the world, and understanding that a ball does not vanish from existence when it goes behind the couch. Frum is stuck somewhere in a stage of early childhood development.

heavenlyboy34
01-07-2013, 11:00 PM
Because that's how the world works today! Intelligence is a handicap!
Silly mundane. WAR IS PEACE. SLAVERY IS FREEDOM. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. ;)

heavenlyboy34
01-07-2013, 11:02 PM
Can anyone really argue some regulation isn't necessary? As an example, just look at some the images AF has posted on this forum. The mods/admin regulate that. Take it up with them if you don't like it. Voila! Self-regulating! :cool: :D

Anti Federalist
01-08-2013, 01:50 AM
Can anyone really argue some regulation isn't necessary? As an example, just look at some the images AF has posted on this forum.

Puritan.

Prude.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTq3uE9sf4XHI2thYNtkwbdkdOSIX-87KNV1eCmn3hsoQMoMYsscxOLY6Ff

Anti Federalist
01-08-2013, 01:51 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GfhtSaCA4VY/TGqQXp1E5DI/AAAAAAAAAc0/3SCwGZnxNFw/s1600/powm.jpg

John F Kennedy III
01-08-2013, 02:22 AM
Silly mundane. WAR IS PEACE. SLAVERY IS FREEDOM. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. ;)

2+2= 99 Luftballons

kcchiefs6465
01-08-2013, 02:46 AM
2+2= 99 Luftballons
You know, I can't tell you how many times I've thought this myself. Excellent post! Must spread some rep around and whatnot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7sI5lrAdg

Brian4Liberty
01-08-2013, 12:21 PM
But what we do want to do is send a clear message: Marijuana use is a bad choice.

There are many excellent reasons to avoid marijuana. Marijuana use damages brain development in young people. Heavy users become socially isolated and perform worse in school and at work. Marijuana smoke harms the lungs. A growing body of evidence suggests that marijuana can trigger psychotic symptoms that otherwise would have remained latent.

It's possible to imagine a marijuana rule that tries to respond precisely to such risk factors as happen to be known by the current state of science. Such a rule might say: "You shouldn't use marijuana until you are over 25, or after your brain has ceased to develop, whichever comes first. You shouldn't use marijuana if you are predisposed to certain mental illnesses (most of which we can't yet diagnose in advance). Be aware that about one-sixth of users will become chronically dependent on marijuana, and as a result will suffer a serious degradation of life outcomes. As yet, we have no sure idea at what dosage marijuana will impair your ability to drive safely, or how long the impairment will last. Be as careful as you can, within the limits of our present knowledge!"


On the other hand, if Frum and his buddies just want to make public service announcements about the side effects of marijuana (paid for by them), that's fine. They are free to talk all they want. Like alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs, over eating, HFC soda and anything else, they are welcome to an opinion as to the dangers.

Just don't make any laws about it!!! Why can't these people get it? The Nanny-State disease is spreading. Mayor Bloomberg is another prime example.

twomp
01-08-2013, 12:28 PM
Frum is smarter then all of us and knows the dangers of marijuana. He has deep conversations about this with his colleagues every friday night when they drink their expensive whiskey and do bumps of cocaine to take the edge off a hard week's work.