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tsai3904

01-07-2013, 03:28 AM

You can follow @grace_lightning to get updates as she's traveling along with Rand.

grace wyler ‏@grace_lightning
Israeli think tank presents @SenRandPaul with a - wait for it - award for Liberty pic.twitter.com/O7HfyVdV

http://i47.tinypic.com/148m70j.jpg

itshappening

01-07-2013, 04:38 AM

thanks for the update tsai. are you on on twitter? how many people are you following?

compromise

01-07-2013, 05:23 AM

Seems like an Israeli libertarian think tank. Pretty cool he's popular among classical liberals in Israel.

robert68

01-07-2013, 05:35 AM

TheTyke

01-07-2013, 03:49 PM

green73

01-07-2013, 03:51 PM

The big question is, will he don a yamaka?

Bastiat's The Law

01-07-2013, 04:09 PM

Someone should do an article on Rand receiving an Israeli liberty award so we can post it around. It would not only emphasize his friendship, but inoffensively get people thinking about the different points of view within Israel itself.
Great idea, definitely worth doing. Never knew this group existed or that they applauded Rand's efforts in Washington.

TheTyke

01-07-2013, 08:31 PM

Great idea, definitely worth doing. Never knew this group existed or that they applauded Rand's efforts in Washington.

Nor did I... do you have any more info on them or this award than is in the picture?

XTreat

01-07-2013, 11:46 PM

I would like to hear more about this.

Agorism

01-08-2013, 12:14 AM

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angelatc

01-08-2013, 12:17 AM

Tee hee. He's going to meet with the Palestinian president while he's there, too. http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/07/libertarian-gop-sen-rand-paul-meets-with-libertarian-palestinian-president/

compromise

01-08-2013, 02:07 AM

Rand Paul meets Naftali Bennett, leader of Jewish Home Party (Jewish fundamentalist/religious Zionist party):
http://Instagr.am/p/ULxRr8R99z/

itshappening

01-08-2013, 07:03 AM

I wonder what was discussed.

East Jerusalem is a very thorny issue. I dont know why they can't go back to 1947 borders. They need to stop those stupid settlements too. And maybe the Palestinians need to commit to disarmament like the IRA did if they get their state.

compromise

01-08-2013, 07:45 AM

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rand-Paul-Jerusalem-Wall.jpg
Another image of Rand at the Walls of Jerusalem.

Bastiat's The Law

01-08-2013, 08:57 AM

Tee hee. He's going to meet with the Palestinian president while he's there, too. http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/07/libertarian-gop-sen-rand-paul-meets-with-libertarian-palestinian-president/
I think he's trying to speak with everyone over there.

compromise

01-08-2013, 09:00 AM

tsai3904

01-08-2013, 06:31 PM

http://i50.tinypic.com/2yvjall.jpg

Rand Paul Courts Israeli Leaders, But Stays Silent On Chuck Hagel's Defense Nomination

January 8, 2013
By: Grace Wyler

Sen. Rand Paul steered clear of wrangling over former Sen. Chuck Hagel's nomination as Defense Secretary, as he wrapped up a second day of meetings with political leaders in the Middle East Tuesday.

"I haven't made a decision on it yet," Paul said, when asked whether he would vote to confirm Hagel as Secretary of Defense. Hagel, a former Republican Senator, has faced intense criticism from Republicans and pro-Israel Democrats over his past statements on Israel and Iran.

An aide to Paul said Hagel's nomination has not come up in meetings with Middle Eastern leaders — an indication that the issue of Hagel's support for Israel is far more salient in the U.S. than it is among Israelis themselves. Paul sat down with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli President Shimon Peres, and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Monday, and traveled to Jordan Tuesday to sit down with King Abdullah II and leaders of the Jordanian Senate.

More:
http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-israel-chuck-hagel-2013-1

Dystopian

01-08-2013, 06:35 PM

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I better not type what I really want to say

Brett85

01-08-2013, 06:39 PM

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I better not type what I really want to say

Why? Just go ahead and type it.

georgiaboy

01-08-2013, 06:57 PM

God bless Rand Paul.

Spikender

01-08-2013, 06:59 PM

The big question is, will he don a yamaka?

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rand-Paul-Jerusalem-Wall.jpg
Another image of Rand at the Walls of Jerusalem.

That should answer that question.

anaconda

01-08-2013, 07:15 PM

That should answer that question.

Is that a hat or is it white paint on the wall (I'm honestly not sure).

Spikender

01-08-2013, 07:16 PM

Is that a hat or is it white paint on the wall (I'm honestly not sure).

Actually...

It looks like white paint on the wall. Damn, I almost thought that potential bird shit on a wall was a yamaka.

Can anyone confirm whether that is bird shit or a yamaka? Hard for me to tell.

anaconda

01-08-2013, 07:22 PM

Actually...

It looks like white paint on the wall. Damn, I almost thought that potential bird shit on a wall was a yamaka.

Can anyone confirm whether that is bird shit or a yamaka? Hard for me to tell.

I think I can see what appears to be the area of the top of Rand's head that is covered with hair that would be not visible were a small hat in place.

Rudeman

01-08-2013, 07:23 PM

Looks like it's too big of a bump for it to be a yamaka but kind of hard to tell for sure.

Bastiat's The Law

01-08-2013, 07:25 PM

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I better not type what I really want to say
Nobody cares what you have to say anyway sock puppet.

Dystopian

01-08-2013, 07:34 PM

Nobody cares what you have to say anyway sock puppet.

You obviously care enough to follow me around and send me private messages all the fucking time and comment on almost every post I make.

Spikender

01-08-2013, 07:37 PM

I think I can see what appears to be the area of the top of Rand's head that is covered with hair that would be not visible were a small hat in place.

That's what made me think it was a yamaka as well. Oh well, bird shit, yamaka, the world may never know.

tsai3904

01-08-2013, 08:14 PM

That's what made me think it was a yamaka as well. Oh well, bird shit, yamaka, the world may never know.

yamaka:

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-israel-western-wall-photos-2013-1

anaconda

01-09-2013, 02:16 AM

yamaka:

http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-israel-western-wall-photos-2013-1

Whoa. Good find. That settles it.

AuH2O

01-09-2013, 01:18 PM

I'm by no means Jewish, but let's try to spell "yarmulke" properly.

robert68

01-09-2013, 02:52 PM

Tee hee. He's going to meet with the Palestinian president while he's there, too. http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/07/libertarian-gop-sen-rand-paul-meets-with-libertarian-palestinian-president/

Rand Paul isn't a libertarian either, as the headline of that article claims; he even says he's not one. He wouldn't be there if he was.

supermario21

01-09-2013, 03:32 PM

Rand Paul isn't a libertarian either, as the headline of that article claims. He wouldn't be there if he was.

So how do libertarian presidents engage in diplomacy?

mz10

01-09-2013, 03:42 PM

So how do libertarian presidents engage in diplomacy?

You have to viscerally hate Israel to be a tr00 libertarian.

robert68

01-09-2013, 03:46 PM

paulbot24

01-09-2013, 03:48 PM

A USS Liberty award? Oh damn, I read it wrong. Sorry.

american.swan

01-09-2013, 03:50 PM

You have to viscerally hate Israel to be a tr00 libertarian. LOL. Don't let the propaganda machine cloud our judgment.

Romulus

01-09-2013, 03:52 PM

He is so not getting invited back.

Confederate

01-09-2013, 03:52 PM

I've been trying to find any interviews of him in Israel online, but it doesn't seem he's done any.

Bastiat's The Law

01-09-2013, 08:05 PM

You obviously care enough to follow me around and send me private messages all the fucking time and comment on almost every post I make.
Don't flatter yourself; you're an ant among the infinite.

eleganz

01-09-2013, 09:44 PM

Doing things like this and talking about 'weaning Israel off American aid' is what actually makes him tolerable to brainwashed democrats.

FriedChicken

01-10-2013, 07:39 AM

I don't think he's tolerable to brainwashed dems ... I think they hate him most but just can't say why (they also have no idea what he does in D.C. ... or what they're democrat 'saviors' are doing.)

anaconda

01-11-2013, 11:50 PM

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tsai3904

01-12-2013, 03:08 PM

Rand Paul: Israel building in J'lem ‘none of US's business'

It is “none of our business” whether Israel builds new neighborhoods in east Jerusalem or withdraws from the Golan Heights, and the US should not tell Israel how to defend itself, US Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) said Saturday night at the end of a week-long visit to the country.

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While Paul said the US should not meddle in Israel’s decision making regarding settlement construction or the Golan Heights, he said Iran was a different issue because it had ramifications for the entire Middle East.

The senator, who voted for sanctions against Iran, said the sanctions would have a better chance of success if Russia and China were involved, and advocated using trade leverage with those countries to get them on board. As opposed to what he termed “show votes” on sanctions at the UN, where some countries do whatever they can to show their strong opposition to the US, he advocated “ quiet diplomacy” with China and Russia on the matter.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=299363

compromise

01-12-2013, 04:28 PM

Rand Paul isn't a libertarian either, as the headline of that article claims, and says he's not one. He wouldn't be there if he was.

He called himself one in a couple of interviews and wrote extensively about being a libertarian in his first book.

kathy88

01-12-2013, 04:35 PM

I don't think he's tolerable to brainwashed dems ... I think they hate him most but just can't say why (they also have no idea what he does in D.C. ... or what they're democrat 'saviors' are doing.)I had a raving Lib tell me this summer he was terrified of Rand, that he was more conservative than anyone in Congress.

Galileo Galilei

01-12-2013, 04:46 PM

Rand Paul isn't a libertarian either, as the headline of that article claims, and says he's not one. He wouldn't be there if he was.

Rand is pro-liberty, that's the definition of a libertarian.

Occam's Banana

01-12-2013, 05:36 PM

Rand is pro-liberty, that's the definition of a libertarian.

No, that's begging the question. Synonyms are not definitions.

liveandletlive

01-12-2013, 05:51 PM

Rand is just a conservative, not a libertarian, he is considered far to the right only because the GOP is indistinguishable from socialist Dems. basically what Ronald Reagan was supposed to be. A Libertarian doesnt win elections...and NEVER WILL.

RAND 2016 :toady:

Galileo Galilei

01-12-2013, 06:05 PM

No, that's begging the question. Synonyms are not definitions.

Its 2 forms of the same word.

matt0611

01-12-2013, 06:08 PM

I don't care what label people ascribe to him, as of now I'm planning to vote for Rand in 2016.

Occam's Banana

01-12-2013, 07:37 PM

Its 2 forms of the same word.

That's the point. The one is not a "definition" of the other. It's just a repitition of the other using a different word.

Galileo Galilei

01-12-2013, 07:44 PM

That's the point. The one is not a "definition" of the other. It's just a repitition of the other using a different word.

OK so Rand is a pro-liberty libertarian. I agree.

Occam's Banana

01-12-2013, 08:06 PM

OK so Rand is a pro-liberty libertarian. I agree.

*sigh* You are still missing the point. robert68 claimed that Rand is not a libertarian. He may be right. He may be wrong.

I think he is wrong. I think Rand is a libertarian. But arguing that Rand is a libertarian because he is "pro-liberty" does nothing to refute robert68.

Saying "Rand is a libertarian because he is pro-liberty" is the same thing as saying "Rand is a libertarian because he is a libertarian".

It is circular reasoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning). It just repeats the very premise that robert68 rejected as false.

Galileo Galilei

01-12-2013, 09:15 PM

*sigh* You are still missing the point. robert68 claimed that Rand is not a libertarian. He may be right. He may be wrong.

I think he is wrong. I think Rand is a libertarian. But arguing that Rand is a libertarian because he is "pro-liberty" does nothing to refute robert68.

Saying "Rand is a libertarian because he is pro-liberty" is the same thing as saying "Rand is a libertarian because he is a libertarian".

It is circular reasoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning). It just repeats the very premise that robert68 rejected as false.

saying Rand is not a libertarian would be like saying Rand was not pro-liberty.

Occam's Banana

01-12-2013, 09:41 PM

saying Rand is not a libertarian would be like saying Rand was not pro-liberty.

Yes. But that is not what robert68 said. And if it had been what he had said, it would have been just as fallaciously pointless as your response that "Rand is a libertarian because he is pro-liberty".

Brett85

01-12-2013, 09:47 PM

Rand is a libertarian conservative.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm

trey4sports

01-12-2013, 10:05 PM

Uhhhh why is he debating whether to confirm Hagel? Bad candidate and bad move politically.

Rudeman

01-12-2013, 10:13 PM

Why commit to a vote before getting all the information you can?

Brett85

01-12-2013, 10:23 PM

Uhhhh why is he debating whether to confirm Hagel? Bad candidate and bad move politically.

I figured that most of the people here would be mad at him if he doesn't vote to confirm Hagel.

supermario21

01-12-2013, 10:31 PM

I figured that most of the people here would be mad at him if he doesn't vote to confirm Hagel.

I don't know how I feel about Hagel. I like his stance on foreign policy in general but I think there are people who could be nominated who hold the same philosophy on sanctions and diplomacy without the abrasiveness. Chuck seems to have a bit too much baggage.

Brett85

01-12-2013, 10:37 PM

I don't know how I feel about Hagel. I like his stance on foreign policy in general but I think there are people who could be nominated who hold the same philosophy on sanctions and diplomacy without the abrasiveness. Chuck seems to have a bit too much baggage.

I view having Hagel as Defense Secretary as being a good thing overall, but it would still be bad politically for Rand to vote to confirm him. That vote would be used in all kinds of commercials in 2016. It seems like that would do a lot of damage to Rand's attempt to brand himself as being "pro Israel." But, I'm not sure whether Rand will look at this politically or whether he'll just vote to confirm Hagel because he thinks it's the right thing to do.

Galileo Galilei

01-12-2013, 10:48 PM

I view having Hagel as Defense Secretary as being a good thing overall, but it would still be bad politically for Rand to vote to confirm him. That vote would be used in all kinds of commercials in 2016. It seems like that would do a lot of damage to Rand's attempt to brand himself as being "pro Israel." But, I'm not sure whether Rand will look at this politically or whether he'll just vote to confirm Hagel because he thinks it's the right thing to do.

There's a different standard to confirm a cabinet official than a Supreme Court justice. The president is entitled to have his own people in his cabinet. Otherwise he can just blame everything on the senate.

Brian4Liberty

01-12-2013, 11:31 PM

As far as Hagel goes, this statement from Mike Lee is fine:

“The United States continues to face significant national security challenges and it is critical to have strong leadership at the Pentagon that can respond to our evolving and emerging threats. The nomination of Senator Hagel presents an opportunity to discuss not only his qualifications for the position and his approach to defending the United States and her allies, but also the specific ways in which he would seek to strengthen, modernize, and reform our national defense. I look forward to hearing Senator Hagel’s answers to questions involving these important issues.”

Confederate

01-14-2013, 03:52 PM

Two more pictures:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/13576_476866759039964_237647954_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540948_476866765706630_867712885_n.jpg

tsai3904

01-15-2013, 10:36 AM

Pictures of his trip:
http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-israel-photos-2013-1

FSP-Rebel

01-15-2013, 11:17 AM

Pictures of his trip:
http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-israel-photos-2013-1

The luxury coach, which was carrying the Kentucky Senator and his entourage of family, staffers, and evangelical leaders from Jerusalem to a kibbutz in the Sea of Galilee, had been derailed by flash floods and rock slides in the West Bank. The group was hungry, tired, and cold, but everyone was doing their best to make the most of it.
'How about a gospel tune?' the tour guide suggested, trying to keep spirits up.
"Do we have 'Knockin' On Heaven's Door'? The Guns N' Roses version!" Paul called out. "C'mon! 'Knockin' On Heaven's Door'!"
It took a few minutes for anyone to realize Paul was serious. Finally, the tour guide fiddled around with the sound system, and Paul's request came blaring through the speakers.
"There we go!" Paul shouted to the rest of the bus, singing along. A few beats later, he called out again: "We need to change the name of this bus!"
"It's not the David Lane tour anymore!" he laughed, referring to the California-based evangelical activist who organized Paul's trip to Israel. "It's the Plague Tour! We've got hail, we've got darkness — all we need now are the frogs!"
LOL, Rand turns down a revival tune in favor of a rockfest. Props for forcing uptight socons to party.