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Anti Federalist
01-05-2013, 04:20 PM
Evidenced by this Christian Science Monitor article:


Gun owners push back: a former Marine's letter to Dianne Feinstein

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0105/Gun-owners-push-back-a-former-Marine-s-letter-to-Dianne-Feinstein

Talk of reviving an assault weapons ban and creating a national gun registry in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre is touching a deep nerve in America, epitomized this week by debate over a stern open letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D) from a former Marine.

After Adam Lanza used a semiautomatic assault-style rifle to kill 20 students and six school staff Dec. 14, Senator Feinstein of California has said she will try to revive the 1994 assault weapons ban, which sunsetted in 2004. She would also push for Americans to be required to register "grandfathered" weapons.

But the open letter from Joshua Boston, which has caused a raucous online debate after being posted on CNN's iReport website on Dec. 27, is a reminder of the huge stakes involved. Namely, many of America's 80 million gun owners are liable to balk at having to register their weapons, raising the potential for confrontations with federal authorities.

Addressing Feinstein directly, Mr. Boston, who served tours in Afghanistan and Iraq, says he'll refuse to register his weapons and writes, "You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain."

"I am not your subject," he continues. "I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant."

As Democrats, led by President Obama, have pushed to expand the purview of the federal government in recent years, a recoil has ensued on display in the rise of the tea party, a massive run on guns, and an explosion in the number of concealed-weapons permits. At times, the recoil has taken on tones of warning and alarm. Many in this camp, especially in the wake of several mass shootings last year, fear that America is entering a post-constitutional era where basic precepts like the Second Amendment are curtailed by a central authority.

"If you take out the heat and the emotion of this [Connecticut] tragedy, the reaction is an interesting case study in public versus individual rights," says James Wright, a sociologist at the University of Central Florida in Orlando. "It puts the issue on a knife point in a way that a lot of other issues don't. It's hard to deny the public interest in gun crimes, but at the same time there's that old Second Amendment, and it's hard to deny what it seems to imply."

LibForestPaul
01-05-2013, 04:23 PM
Must be PTSD, he needs help, and his guns confiscated.
And retired cops are all insane too, from years working on the streets getting rid of the garbage. Their guns need confiscation as well.

torchbearer
01-05-2013, 04:25 PM
"I am not your subject," he continues. "I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant."



reported.
amitoolate?

Danke
01-05-2013, 04:32 PM
"Public Rights"

torchbearer
01-05-2013, 04:35 PM
"Public Rights"

most sociologist are socialist. they are not philosophical people, and do read a lot of collectivist writings.
i had a hard time in the major because i am libertarian, though i pointed out that sociologist data proves the centrally planned cities always fail. "the projects" failed.
so, their evidence supports liberty, but most are stuck in "schools" of thought.

Anti Federalist
01-05-2013, 04:36 PM
Page two:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0105/Gun-owners-push-back-a-former-Marine-s-letter-to-Dianne-Feinstein/(page)/2

Indeed, what it implies for some Americans, including many in the so-called warrior class – hundreds of thousands of retired soldiers – is that an armed population is an essential guarantee against centralized tyranny. The lobbying of the National Rifle Association and the expansion of gun rights by federal courts have tended to further the idea that the Second Amendment is a safeguard against tyranny, as well as a key to personally protecting oneself against crime.

Feinstein's office replied to Boston's letter this past week, pointing out that there's another side to the argument – the millions of Americans who worry about US society becoming militarized through the expansion of weaponry. What's more, Feinstein says, the law won't affect Americans’ basic right to purchase and use weapons.

"Senator Feinstein respects Cpl. Boston's service. She has heard from thousands of people – including many gun owners – who support her plan to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of assault weapons and large capacity magazines, strips and drums that hold more than 10 rounds,” the statement from Feinstein’s office read. “As Senator Feinstein has said, the legislation will be carefully focused to protect the rights of existing gun owners by exempting hundreds of weapons used for hunting and sporting purposes."

In response to Boston's letter, a commenter on the iReport website suggested that the former Marine, by refusing to comply with a law, would be going against the Constitution.
"Ms. Feinstein is an elected official who was selected by voters to represent their interests in a governing body," YankCT wrote. "She has the authority and responsibility to do just that until the people whom she represents decide otherwise through their votes. This gentleman believes that he is above the law. This is untrue; in fact, my guess is that he swore to defend the country and respect its laws when he entered the Marines."

One point Boston makes in his letter is that many of the 120 guns that would be banned under Feinstein's bill are cosmetic variations of standard semiautomatic hunting rifles. Boston says he's angered by "the fact that I'm supposed to be punished for doing nothing more than owning a rifle that looks scary because its stock isn't made out of wood," he said.

Feinstein contends that America should "put weapons under some kind of appropriate authority," as she recently told Fox News. Yet many gun owners believe there is already an authority in place – the Constitution.

"With everything that has happened these last four years under President Obama and with the fresh attacks on the Second Amendment by gun grabbers like Dianne Feinstein (and David Gregory and Piers Morgan and Nanny Bloomberg, plus dozens more) I can safely [say that] yes we do live in a post constitutional Republic, and that is very troubling," writes Ulysses Arn on the RedState blog.

torchbearer
01-05-2013, 04:41 PM
whiskey tango foxtrot

we are doomed by the ignorant.

tony m
01-05-2013, 04:44 PM
His oath is to the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment protects the natural right to defend oneself, their family, their property, their community, their nation against the infringement of that natural right.

A law that attempts to undermine the 2nd Amendment is in the realm of a domestic enemy. If such a law is passed at the federal level, it is up to the states to nullify. If the state does not nullify, individuals will have to choose the direction they decide upon.

phill4paul
01-05-2013, 04:45 PM
"Ms. Feinstein is an elected official who was selected by voters to represent their interests in a governing body," YankCT wrote. "She has the authority and responsibility to do just that until the people whom she represents decide otherwise through their votes. This gentleman believes that he is above the law. This is untrue; in fact, my guess is that he swore to defend the country and respect its laws when he entered the Marines."

Fuck you Feinstein..........

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God

Abolishing the second amendment is a domestic threat. It takes an amendment to over ride an amendment. Nothing else will do. No "LAW" brought by the House.

torchbearer
01-05-2013, 04:47 PM
is it that some people percieve positive law instead of negative law?
what is wrong with people?

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-05-2013, 04:48 PM
Feinstein contends that America should "put weapons under some kind of appropriate authority," as she recently told Fox News. Yet many gun owners believe there is already an authority in place the Constitution.


Wrong. It's THE PEOPLE.

FunkBuddha
01-05-2013, 04:50 PM
The sound of gunfire echoed through the Sweetwater valley all afternoon today as I dug holes. I hear gunfire all of the time but nothing like this. I heard semi automatics and full autos coming from at least three directions. At one point it sounded like they were signalling each other. I thought about joining in but those holes weren't going to dig themselves.

Lucille
01-05-2013, 04:51 PM
Feinstein's office replied to Boston's letter this past week, pointing out that there's another side to the argument – the millions of Americans who worry about US society becoming militarized through the expansion of weaponry.

Since police departments are militarizing (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/police-militarization), then society has to as well because, this:


the expansion of gun rights by federal courts have tended to further the idea that the Second Amendment is a safeguard against tyranny

phill4paul
01-05-2013, 04:53 PM
Since police departments are militarizing, then society has to as well because, this:

+rep.

TheTexan
01-05-2013, 04:56 PM
Since police departments are militarizing (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/police-militarization), then society has to as well because, this:

Absolutely correct

paulbot24
01-05-2013, 05:11 PM
Here's an idea. We could use his letter as a template and flood her office, the White House, and any Senators that co-sponsor this,

Senator Dianne Feinstein, (insert sponsoring Senator here), and President Barack Obama,

I will not register any weapons I might possess, should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am/sir have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am an American citizen, protected by the Constitution, and I will not have anybody who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet enjoys daily personal protection with these same objects, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the citizen who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the citizen you call upon to fight your wars. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am an American citizen. You will not take away my Constitutional rights because of the actions of another.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,

__________________________signature

Philhelm
01-05-2013, 05:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTcBgs2huRo

Anti Federalist
01-05-2013, 05:49 PM
This deserves its own thread.

Mega rep.



Here's an idea. We could use his letter as a template and flood her office, the White House, and any Senators that co-sponsor this,

Senator Dianne Feinstein, (insert sponsoring Senator here), and President Barack Obama,

I will not register any weapons I might possess, should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am/sir have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am an American citizen, protected by the Constitution, and I will not have anybody who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet enjoys daily personal protection with these same objects, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the citizen who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the citizen you call upon to fight your wars. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am an American citizen. You will not take away my Constitutional rights because of the actions of another.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,

__________________________signature

Tod
01-05-2013, 06:12 PM
This deserves its own thread.

Mega rep.

As Deborah alluded to in another thread, even more valuable than the government being flooded with these letters would be for each of us to know that we are not alone, for feeling as though we are alone is the surest way for individuals to cave.

Anti Federalist
01-05-2013, 06:20 PM
As Deborah alluded to in another thread, even more valuable than the government being flooded with these letters would be for each of us to know that we are not alone, for feeling as though we are alone is the surest way for individuals to cave.

By God, this too!

Tod
01-05-2013, 06:49 PM
White House weighs broad gun-control agenda in wake of Newtown shootings

The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions.

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.
To sell such changes, the White House is developing strategies to work around the National Rifle Association that one source said could include rallying support from Wal-Mart and other gun retailers for measures that would benefit their businesses. White House aides have also been in regular contact with advisers to New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), an outspoken gun-control advocate who could emerge as a powerful surrogate for the Obama administration’s agenda.

The Biden group, formed last month after the massacre at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that killed 20 children and six adults, plans to submit a package of recommendations to President Obama this month. Once Obama’s proposals are set, he plans to lead a public-relations offensive to generate popular support.

“They are very clearly committed to looking at this issue comprehensively,” said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, who has been involved in the discussions. The proposals under consideration, he added, are “a deeper exploration than just the assault-weapons ban.”
The gun-control push is just one part of an ambitious political agenda that Obama has pledged to pursue after his decisive reelection victory in November, including comprehensive immigration reform, climate-change legislation and long-term deficit reduction. Obama also faces a reshuffling of his Cabinet, and a looming debate over the nation’s debt ceiling that will compete for his time and attention in the coming months.

In addition to potential legislative proposals, Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action, according to interest-group leaders who have discussed options with Biden and key Cabinet secretaries. Possibilities include changes to federal mental-health programs and modernization of gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
“Simply coming up with one or two aspects of it really falls short of the magnitude of the gun issue in the country,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum.
Wexler was among a dozen law enforcement leaders who met with Biden and other administration leaders in the aftermath of the Dec. 14 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The Dec. 20 summit, which stretched an hour beyond an allotted one hour, included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., Education Secretary Arne Duncan, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
Biden “wanted to talk to us about the assault-weapons ban, automatic weapons, high-capacity magazines,” said Hennepin County (Minn.) Sheriff Richard Stanek, president of the Major County Sheriffs’ Association.
The vice president said the White House group would consider a variety of proposals — from requiring background checks for all gun buyers to creating a new database that would allow the ATF to track all gun sales, according to participants.
Stanek said the meeting also included significant discussion of mental-health issues, violence in video games and movies, and the poor quality of information contained in databases used to conduct criminal background checks before issuing gun permits.
Some of the options the administration is considering may not ultimately be included in Obama’s package. A White House spokesman said Biden’s group was in the midst of its review and has made no decisions on its final recommendations.
Politically rocky terrain
The White House is also developing strategies to navigate the rocky and emotionally fraught terrain of gun politics once final policy decisions are made. The administration is quietly talking with a diverse array of interest groups, including religious leaders, mental-health professionals and hunters, to build as broad a coalition as possible, those involved in the discussions said.

The president is expected to face fierce opposition from the NRA and its allies in Congress, including most Republicans and some Democrats.
But Biden signaled to those involved in the policy discussions that the White House is not afraid of taking on the NRA, the nation’s largest gun rights group. At the Dec. 20 meeting, according to Stanek, when one law enforcement leader suggested focusing on only the most popular proposals, Biden responded: “Look, what I’m asking you for is your candid opinion and ideas about extreme gun violence. Leave the politics to the president. That’s our job with Congress.”


more at link...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-weighs-broad-gun-control-agenda-in-wake-of-newtown-shootings/2013/01/05/d281efe0-5682-11e2-bf3e-76c0a789346f_print.html

Anti Federalist
01-05-2013, 07:03 PM
Fast and Furious guns have been linked to 300 murders, including cops.

When is O-Bomb-ya going to turn himself in?


“Look, what I’m asking you for is your candid opinion and ideas about extreme gun violence. Leave the politics to the president. That’s our job with Congress.”

Fuck you, that's my candid opinion.

I WILL NOT COMPLY!

I will NOT disarm while you and your fellow sluts in government arm the local cops to the teeth while simultaneously claiming the right to "render" me whenever you feel like it.

I WILL NOT FUCKING COMPLY - DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?

pcosmar
01-05-2013, 07:17 PM
The president is expected to face fierce opposition from the NRA and its allies in Congress, including most Republicans and some Democrats.
But Biden signaled to those involved in the policy discussions that the White House is not afraid of taking on the NRA,

The Bolded part is true and relevant

They are not afraid of the NRA.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
01-05-2013, 07:28 PM
The Bolded part is true and relevant

They are not afraid of the NRA.


They've all be rubbing each other's balls for years now, with fake patriots like Ted Nugent selling the film.

Pericles
01-05-2013, 07:39 PM
The founders of the country thought the subject matter was so important, that a paragraph of the supreme law of the land ensures that I have an opportunity to hunt ducks?

I don't think so.

I pity the fool who tries to confiscate weapons in this country.

jdcole
01-05-2013, 07:53 PM
Molon labe, bitches.

phill4paul
01-05-2013, 08:08 PM
Rest your finger on my trigger.....................


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge5giteZxto