Is there an effort to infiltrate the democratic party too?

[heavenlyboy34]

All of Tate, et al's messages are about the GOP. I was wondering if there is a wing or two of the "Ron Paul movement" dedicated to co-opting the dems. Couldn't hurt to play both sides of the duopoly the way TPTB do, eh? I have personally met a registered dem who was interested in RP back in '08. /curious

[TCE]

A couple in New Hampshire at the state and local levels, but aside from that, there really isn't. On that issue, we all (myself included) like to talk a big game about how great of an idea it is, but nothing ever actually materializes.

[FrankRep]

Listen to this excellent advice:


http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories/History/larrymcdonald.001.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4684-kal-flight-007-remembered)
Ron Paul: "[Larry McDonald] was the most principled man in Congress."
- The Philadelphia Inquirer


Ron Paul on Congressman Larry McDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald), the President of the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/).



Ron Paul went to Congressman Larry McDonald, a Democrat, for advice on running for Congress. McDonald said, "Run in the party you think you can WIN because political parties are irrelevant." This made Ron Paul become a Republican.


Ron Paul explains: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS_iZDg4UMU)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS_iZDg4UMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS_iZDg4UMU

[sailingaway]

There should be. I saw a couple names thrown around in Dem states, don't know why they shouldn't run that way if they are able. Some of our folks who came from that side of the aisle to begin with, for example, might do well in some northern or north eastern states.

[Anti Federalist]

Yes, in NH there are more than a few liberty democrats.

[emazur]

Did you see the Peter Schiff Democratic Convention video about banning corporate profits? On his radio show, he said about 25% of the people he talked to supported the idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fTsF5BiSM

[supermario21]

Democrats are far off the deep end...Republicans are just easily duped. If Rand keeps it up the base will be close to non-interventionist by 2016.

[heavenlyboy34]

Thanks for the replies, y'all. :) ~hugs~

[heavenlyboy34]

Democrats are far off the deep end...Republicans are just easily duped. If Rand keeps it up the base will be close to non-interventionist by 2016.
Yeah, but the point is to exploit the system as much as possible if you're going to use it at all. The game is already rigged-might as well use that to our advantage, yes?

[thoughtomator]

I know some Democrats in New York who are moving towards voluntary-ish types of policies. It's uphill though, that party is so saturated in collectivism, they won't really get it until the inevitable collectivist catastrophe.

[heavenlyboy34]

I know some Democrats in New York who are moving towards voluntary-ish types of policies. It's uphill though, that party is so saturated in collectivism, they won't really get it until the inevitable collectivist catastrophe.
Both parties are collectivist. Just in different ways.
Collectivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism) is any philosophic, political, religious, economic, or social outlook that emphasizes the interdependence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdependence) of every human being. Collectivism is a basic cultural element that exists as the reverse of individualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism) in human nature (in the same way high context culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_context_culture) exists as the reverse of low context culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_context_culture)), and stresses the priority of group goals over individual goals and the importance of cohesion within social groups (such as an "in-group", in what specific context it is defined). Collectivists usually focus on community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community), society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society), or nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation). It is used and has been used as an element in many different and diverse types of government and political, economic and educational philosophies throughout history and most human societies, in practice, contain elements of both individualism and collectivism.

That's why the more sane members of 18th century America didn't like parties.

[Dystopian]

There's just as many good Democrats as good Republicans (albeit there are very few good ones in either party)

[supermario21]

There was one good Democrat (my congressman), Jim Traficant, who essentially was a Paulite, although he is no longer in. I guess if I ran for local office it would be as a D because of local politics but anything nationally would be Republican. The Democrats just hate libertarian values, they don't think it can work at all. At least the Tea Partiers/ignorant ones want to cut government. Dems don't even want to admit that.

[heavenlyboy34]

There was one good Democrat (my congressman), Jim Traficant, who essentially was a Paulite, although he is no longer in. I guess if I ran for local office it would be as a D because of local politics but anything nationally would be Republican. The Democrats just hate libertarian values, they don't think it can work at all. At least the Tea Partiers/ignorant ones want to cut government. Dems don't even want to admit that.
Not all do. You just hear from the folks that don't because they have bigger mouths and easy access to the MSM. I believe I mentioned it earlier, but I knew a dem in college who was willing to switch parties to vote for RP in the primaries. Libertarian values are actually less scary to (old-fashioned and college-age in particular) dems in my experience. Not surprising, as libertarianism came from the radical left.

[Occam's Banana]

Both parties are collectivist. Just in different ways.

Right. In broad terms, however, the GOP is at least rhetorically/cosmetically more compatible with the liberty movement. Sufficiently so that it offers a marginally less hostile environment than the Democrats would. (The condescending arrogance of modern liberalism probably accounts for this distinction - believing in the perfectibility of man & society has never been very conducive to freedom ideology).

There are exceptions, though these tend to be concentrated in particluar persons or places (such as New Hampshire). If there was any concerted effort to insurge the Dems, I'm sure we would have heard about it here on RPFs, or over at the Daily Paul. So I think we can safely conclude that no such critter exists.

[fr33]

The GOP lies about supporting liberty and the democrats openly despise it. I won't join any of them but the democrats would be the last people I tried to convince.

[heavenlyboy34]

Right. In broad terms, however, the GOP is at least rhetorically/cosmetically more compatible with the liberty movement. Sufficiently so that it offers a marginally less hostile environment than the Democrats would. (The condescending arrogance of modern liberalism probably accounts for this distinction - believing in the perfectibility of man & society has never been very conducive to freedom ideology).

There are exceptions, though these tend to be concentrated in particluar persons or places (such as New Hampshire). If there was any concerted effort to insurge the Dems, I'm sure we would have heard about it here on RPFs, or over at the Daily Paul. So I think we can safely conclude that no such critter exists.
okay, thanks. But FWIW, I still think it's a good idea to rig the system in our favor a bit by playing both sides of the game. That's how the statists win.

[QuickZ06]

Honestly it is a very good question to ask, I know in my state they say dems will be the majority in ten years. It could be very wise to run as a democrat in the future for more and more states as you might have a better shot of winning and spreading the message.

[Keith and stuff]

Certainly not to infiltrate but there are elected liberty Democrats in NH. 1 has been a Democrat his whole life. 1 just got elected to his 3rd term in the NH House. Another 2 are in the NH House. Another few lost NH House races. It is not happening on this scale anywhere else in the county. I know a liberty Democrat that ran and lost twice in Boston for local races, though.

[Occam's Banana]

FWIW, I still think it's a good idea to rig the system in our favor a bit by playing both sides of the game. That's how the statists win.

Absolutely. I agree. Take whatever we can get wherever we can get it. By all means. But just as the slightest pressure differential across an osmotic membrane can make all the difference, the marginally lesser resistance afforded by the GOP pretty much guarantees that any successful "liberty insurgency" will be pushed heavily to the Republican side of things. Most of any "gains" we end up making among Democrats are probably going to be in the form of "drawing people over" rather than "inserting people in".

[muzzled dogg]

I will reiterate, in nh there are incumbent dems who are constitutionalists, libertarians, and even anarchists