A lot of people are now awake, how do we take advantage of that?

[Edu]

A lot of people are now awake, how do we take advantage of that?

I have noticed that even people who are fully awake still think they can't do anything about any of this. It's all too big and everything is too far gone is the basic attitude.

What can we do?

[tod evans]

When government can literally print money to perpetuate itself it is no longer a servant of the people.

What can we do?

[Origanalist]

When government can literally print money to perpetuate itself it is no longer a servant of the people.

What can we do?

Stop feeding the beast. Withdraw support every way you possibly can. Deny, deny, deny. No, no ,no. And tell everybody you know to do the same, that is all we can do right now.

[FSP-Rebel]

Stop feeding the beast. Withdraw support every way you possibly can. Deny, deny, deny. No, no ,no. And tell everybody you know to do the same, that is all we can do right now.
If not this then keep converting those that are pissed over this recent tax bill and conservative purges over to our conservative/liberty wing of the party. Even if we get a crash at some point, we'll need good people up there to pick up the pieces if outright secession doesn't take place. Same goes for the people that don't know what to do or whatever, however, you can't make an activist out of certain people no matter what.

[thoughtomator]

drag them into the GOP as convention delegates and take over

[Czolgosz]

Do as our forefathers did.

DoI, write a better Contract, freedom flourishes.

[CaptUSA]

A lot of people are still asleep, too.

Wow, there was a conversation outside my office this morning about the fiscal cliff deal. They were all asking if their taxes were going up. They were very relieved when someone said it was only for people making more than $400K or couples making $450K.

Then I chimed in.

"Do you folks understand that it doesn't matter what they do to your income tax, your taxation is still going up because they aren't cutting spending? If your 2013 dollars only buy 95% of what your 2012 dollars did, don't you realize you lost out on the deal? It's the spending. If they don't cut that, someone has to pay for it - either you or your children!"

Stunned confusion ensued...

Then,
"well, at least my taxes aren't going up."

facepalm.

[Athan]

Then,
"well, at least my taxes aren't going up."
lol! Damn temps.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

A lot of people are now awake, how do we take advantage of that?

I have noticed that even people who are fully awake still think they can't do anything about any of this. It's all too big and everything is too far gone is the basic attitude.

What can we do?


Reinforce. If you're in a position to, educate them further. Encourage them to talk about it with others. Start with easy things... like you "don't think a president should be able to kill citizens without trials." Then go a little further, like "it seems wrong to drone bomb pakistani children."

When people are open to ideas like that, go further. If they aren't, I'd move along.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

A lot of people are still asleep, too.

Wow, there was a conversation outside my office this morning about the fiscal cliff deal. They were all asking if their taxes were going up. They were very relieved when someone said it was only for people making more than $400K or couples making $450K.

Then I chimed in.

"Do you folks understand that it doesn't matter what they do to your income tax, your taxation is still going up because they aren't cutting spending? If your 2013 dollars only buy 95% of what your 2012 dollars did, don't you realize you lost out on the deal? It's the spending. If they don't cut that, someone has to pay for it - either you or your children!"

Stunned confusion ensued...

Then,
"well, at least my taxes aren't going up."

facepalm.


That concept is too difficult for most people. Gotta start slower, like my previous post suggested. Also, their children won't pay for it. That's a lie. The debt gets monetized.

[JK/SEA]

uhhh...2% increase in your FICA.....this little known fact is being ignored...

oh well...

[FSP-Rebel]

A lot of people are still asleep, too.

Stunned confusion ensued...

Then,
"well, at least my taxes aren't going up."

facepalm.
People like that are a lost cause and aren't worth a fuck. I'd concentrate on building coalitions with other conservatives and not letting them get re-spawned into supporting saboteur republicans. Further, get these folk in at county conventions so they can go to state and reshape the party leadership so we can get supervision over our candidates and those that want reelection. The more successful we're at in getting a handle on these Congressional Reps and Senators, the faster we'll be at turning off the spigot.

[Athan]

A lot of people are now awake, how do we take advantage of that?

I have noticed that even people who are fully awake still think they can't do anything about any of this. It's all too big and everything is too far gone is the basic attitude.

What can we do?
Tell them to join the Liberty movement. We have cookies. They are probaby just to timid to be politically active yet, and don't want to commit to something they may not enjoy. In anycase, even if they feel that way, it is important for them to start associating with like minds even if they don't want to commit to participating in a political movement yet. That way they have their "zombie survival prep group" ready if you know what I mean. We need to have them be a bit more coordinated with us when they do vote in elections. In fact, with all this gun ban talking going on, I wonder if we in the Liberty group should start considering forming peaceful milita organizations to get rid of bad stereotypes, show a reason for having the guns being targeted by idiots, and show support toward the militia concept. Just a thought.

[angelatc]

A lot of people are now awake, how do we take advantage of that?

I have noticed that even people who are fully awake still think they can't do anything about any of this. It's all too big and everything is too far gone is the basic attitude.

What can we do?

I thought the same thing in 2009, but in 2011 all those converts jumped right back into their comfy establishment beds. And I'm not talking about Mitt exclusively, either. Cain, Perry, Bachmann, McCotter, Gingrich... All those also-rans attracted people whom I believed had seen at least a little of the light.

[angelatc]

uhhh...2% increase in your FICA.....this little known fact is being ignored...

oh well...

It was stupid to cut that in the first place.

[Endthefednow]

Payroll tax will go up! check your next pay check.:mad: You should have told them that.

[Victor Grey]

We can turn them to us.
Now is the time to create devoted zealots. Primaries are the time to garner soft support.

[John F Kennedy III]

This could be a good place to start:

http://www.thrivemovement.com/

[SilenceDewgooder]

Until the morality changes, don't expect too many positive results (at least sustained results) by attacking the symptoms.

[Adrock]

Until the morality changes, don't expect too many positive results (at least sustained results) by attacking the symptoms.

Exactly. Political victories are good but will be temporary if the society doesn't change. The main focus should be changing people's views on morality.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Until the morality changes, don't expect too many positive results (at least sustained results) by attacking the symptoms.

You are right.

However, most people are unaware of the morality because they've been taught differently. Government portrays itself as a moral institution.

Of course, it should be obvious it isn't in our case, but most people don't see the violence outside their front window. The money is stolen before they are paid, and the biggest victims are on the other side of the world. So the morality won't change by itself. People alive today have generally grown up in this system.

Their ears will open more when they start missing meals or start seeing the violence on their doorstep.

This thread isn't about the hapless and the hopeless. It's about the people who are starting to see the problems.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Expose them to the fraud that is the Republican party, too. Payroll taxes are going up, which will make every person who earns an income 2% poorer, and the Republicans wanted that.

[Michigan11]

I too am seeing people becoming awakened. It's happening thru education while the government and its current leaders are being seen for the frauds they are. The economy is not what it was still and is hardly mentioned in a positive light any longer. The blueprint for our freedom is educating others, and it happens by various means for each individual, but if we keep planting seeds they eventually come to fruition on their own. Keep spreading the word, while learning to pass by some that are useless. We don't even need a majority! That's whats so amazing

[Spikender]

I dunno, as hopeful as I can be, it seems that some are being awakened while others fall right back to sleep. I managed to convince a lot of people at my college about the virtues of voting with your beliefs and I even did several class presentations in my speech class about the second amendment, the flaws of the two party system, the history of gun control and how it has failed, and many other things. They seemed to get it. And then there were my friends. I thought I had managed to convince many of them of voting for Ron Paul specifically, and they even said they were going to do it.

That is, until Romney got the nomination and Ron Paul didn't. Then they all flipped back into red vs blue, Rethuglican vs DemocRat mode, and they started parroting stupid lines about Ron Paul and his foreign policy. A few people didn't jump ship on me, but it's amazing how well trained people are to obey their two party masters.

My little story isn't me giving up, as I've just continued to espouse my viewpoints and try to win these people back over before they fall back asleep. I'm just saying that I'm not seeing this huge awakening that people are talking about, at least not in the people I talk to everyday about politics.

[awake]

When the National Socialists asscended to power the smart ones forsaw it and got out before it was too late. The "awake" people should keep a close watch, timing is everything.

[Czolgosz]

The fraud is right there for all to see. In fact, most of them know they're electing a crooked liar.

And yet, they continue along the same course.

People aren't fixable.

[Michigan11]

I dunno, as hopeful as I can be, it seems that some are being awakened while others fall right back to sleep. I managed to convince a lot of people at my college about the virtues of voting with your beliefs and I even did several class presentations in my speech class about the second amendment, the flaws of the two party system, the history of gun control and how it has failed, and many other things. They seemed to get it. And then there were my friends. I thought I had managed to convince many of them of voting for Ron Paul specifically, and they even said they were going to do it.

That is, until Romney got the nomination and Ron Paul didn't. Then they all flipped back into red vs blue, Rethuglican vs DemocRat mode, and they started parroting stupid lines about Ron Paul and his foreign policy. A few people didn't jump ship on me, but it's amazing how well trained people are to obey their two party masters.

My little story isn't me giving up, as I've just continued to espouse my viewpoints and try to win these people back over before they fall back asleep. I'm just saying that I'm not seeing this huge awakening that people are talking about, at least not in the people I talk to everyday about politics.

I understand where you are coming from. Some people will do what you are saying, but the seeds are planted, eventually with their own timing, they will fully awake.

For me, I had a teacher, but then didn't know what to do with the info til Ron Paul ran. So there was a time period for me in between those two points.

[Spikender]

I understand where you are coming from. Some people will do what you are saying, but the seeds are planted, eventually with their own timing, they will fully awake.

For me, I had a teacher, but then didn't know what to do with the info til Ron Paul ran. So there was a time period for me in between those two points.

True, but it gets ridiculously tiresome when these same people that you thought you had done such a good job with waking up fall right back to sleep, likely because they've been trained to fear liberty and crave the supposed security that the government provides. It certainly doesn't help that there were other people on campus saying how crazy Ron Paul was. It's hard to fight back against the accusation of being crazy, especially when people are conditioned to trust the government so much, especially if their "team" is running the show.

Like I said, though, I am not going to give up until either my voice or body gives out on me first. I feel better trying to spread the truth and wake people up than just sit in the corner and mope about how much the government sucks all day.

[acptulsa]

In answer to the OP, I strongly recommend getting people to try out their local meetups. From there, people can find their own path depending upon their talents. Just don't let them fall into the clutches of a Collinz who will tell them that if they aren't doing something he thinks is helpful, then they aren't doing something helpful.

We need participants in local Republican Party apparati. We need people talking to Republicans, in person and on the net, about what their real principles are and how to support someone who doesn't betray them. We need people talking to Democrats about how corporations use their principles to betray them, and how libertarians can stop this abuse at the federal level (leaving them free to try to do some good at the state and local level). We need educators, activists, stalwarts and good examples. There's a role for just about everyone. Sometimes the best thing you can do is ask them if they can think of something they'd like to do that might help, and work with them to find a way to make that truly effective.

Liberty is messy--and innovative. Don't stick converts into a role, let them invent a role for themselves.

[Michigan11]

True, but it gets ridiculously tiresome when these same people that you thought you had done such a good job with waking up fall right back to sleep, likely because they've been trained to fear liberty and crave the supposed security that the government provides. It certainly doesn't help that there were other people on campus saying how crazy Ron Paul was. It's hard to fight back against the accusation of being crazy, especially when people are conditioned to trust the government so much, especially if their "team" is running the show.

Like I said, though, I am not going to give up until either my voice or body gives out on me first. I feel better trying to spread the truth and wake people up than just sit in the corner and mope about how much the government sucks all day.

Yeah just keep doing what your doing. It is hard, but there really is no other option knowing what you and I know. Stay positive by looking at the positive points, you're making a huge difference that you just can't realize just yet, because you haven't seen these people's future. Their future has been changed because of you.

My sister, was pretty much shut off to what I was saying, so I stopped but then some person gave her a book, and now she is buying gold and wants to learn more and more. You never know, and usually the people that are closest to you are not going to be converted by you, but by planting seeds with them, someone else or other means will convert them.

[Spikender]

Yeah just keep doing what your doing. It is hard, but there really is no other option knowing what you and I know. Stay positive by looking at the positive points, you're making a huge difference that you just can't realize just yet, because you haven't seen these people's future. Their future has been changed because of you.

My sister, was pretty much shut off to what I was saying, so I stopped but then some person gave her a book, and now she is buying gold and wants to learn more and more. You never know, and usually the people that are closest to you are not going to be converted by you, but by planting seeds with them, someone else or other means will convert them.

Thanks for your encouragement. The main reason I won't give up is because I have seen people get waken up from the madness, such as my grandfather, my mother, and my brother, although I hazard to guess that my brother was probably awake before I was. And I'm glad to hear that your sister found the truth, even if it wasn't from you, and you're also right that the seeds are planted in the people that I've talked to head's and that they might just sprout later on down the line, hopefully when it matters most.

[SilenceDewgooder]

You are right.

However, most people are unaware of the morality because they've been taught differently. Government portrays itself as a moral institution.

Of course, it should be obvious it isn't in our case, but most people don't see the violence outside their front window. The money is stolen before they are paid, and the biggest victims are on the other side of the world. So the morality won't change by itself. People alive today have generally grown up in this system.

Their ears will open more when they start missing meals or start seeing the violence on their doorstep.

This thread isn't about the hapless and the hopeless. It's about the people who are starting to see the problems.

My statement was neither hapless or hopeless. It was realistic and after perusing the comments section on certain yahoo articles (I know, I know); I am actually optimistic, unless of course, the members of this forum decided to have a show of strength on Yahoo today.

[CableNewsJunkie]

Help them to grow their understanding of the problems we're facing. Videos help.

http://www.khq.com/category/195686/video-landing-page?clipId=8108860&topVideoCatNo=187690&autoStart=true

And tell them to prepare.