The Single Most Important Documentary I've Ever Found

[John F Kennedy III]

Words cannot describe how important this documentary is to everyone. Please watch this documentary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thank you in advance for your time.

-JFKIII

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I don't have the time to watch a full documentary right now but I often like to drift off to sleep with a documentary playing. Could you give a basic summary as to what it is about? If it is interesting enough than I would like to make time to watch it with my full attention instead of just listening with my eyes closed.

[Tpoints]

You must also like What the Bleep :P

[Danke]

THRIVE is an unconventional documentary that lifts the veil on what's REALLY going on in our world by following the money upstream -- uncovering the global consolidation of power in nearly every aspect of our lives. Weaving together breakthroughs in science, consciousness and activism, THRIVE offers real solutions, empowering us with unprecedented and bold strategies for reclaiming our lives and our future.

[fr33]

And.... aliens.

[John F Kennedy III]

You must also like What the Bleep :P

Never seen it. I'll have to check it out :)

[adisongrace]

And.... aliens.

It's more than just an alien theory. It's about the magnetic tori
frequency that powers alien spacecraft(s), or all life for that matter.

This film moved me towards working on my Phd in electro magnetic
physics.

[John F Kennedy III]

I don't have the time to watch a full documentary right now but I often like to drift off to sleep with a documentary playing. Could you give a basic summary as to what it is about? If it is interesting enough than I would like to make time to watch it with my full attention instead of just listening with my eyes closed.

A very basic summary:

1. Starts out discussing free energy technology, the suppression of it and why. Touches on extraterrestrials.

2. Goes on to discuss the control of energy, food, media, education and the suppression of alternatives. Goes into great detail about who basically controls everything and how.

3. Talks about the basically complete and total tyranny we will live under if we don't stop it and gives a possible future if we do take action. How prosperous the world can be if we get out from under control of the Elite few.

4. Ends by outlining how we can take control from the Elite and by talking about Non Aggression and how if we all practiced it we can prosper and thrive.

[John F Kennedy III]

THRIVE is an unconventional documentary that lifts the veil on what's REALLY going on in our world by following the money upstream -- uncovering the global consolidation of power in nearly every aspect of our lives. Weaving together breakthroughs in science, consciousness and activism, THRIVE offers real solutions, empowering us with unprecedented and bold strategies for reclaiming our lives and our future.

This. Well said Danke.

[Danke]

This. Well said Danke.

I was just quoting the synopsis accompanying that video. I should have made that clearer.

[John F Kennedy III]

It's more than just an alien theory. It's about the magnetic tori
frequency that powers alien spacecraft(s), or all life for that matter.

This film moved me towards working on my Phd in electro magnetic
physics.

This film inspired me to change my entire life. Now instead of being discouraged, I am 100% determined to get get a BA in English for political writing and to write space sci fi and medieval fantasy novels and to get a PHD in Physics with a specialty in Astrophysics so I can develop and build spaceships based on the technology discussed in the film. And to helping push free energy technology, an alternative decentralized currency and the principal of Non Aggression.

And much more.

[John F Kennedy III]

I was just quoting the synopsis accompanying that video. I should have made that clearer.

Well then...you did a great copy and paste job :D

[Tpoints]

This film inspired me to change my entire life. Now instead of being discouraged, I am 100% determined to get get a BA in English for political writing and to write space sci fi and medieval fantasy novels and to get a PHD in Physics with a specialty in Astrophysics so I can develop and build spaceships based on the technology discussed in the film. And to helping push free energy technology and an alternative decentralized currency.

And much more.

Wow, I rarely hear people wanting to get a PhD in science, but also want to write novels.

[sevin]

It sounds amazing. The stuff about aliens makes me hesitate, but I'll give it a chance, anyway.

[adisongrace]

It sounds amazing. The stuff about aliens makes me hesitate, but I'll give it a chance, anyway.

Good for you. However the idea of the aliens goes beyond the idea of aliens.
It's more about the suppression of alternative energy and the ideas behind
the double torus.

[FrankRep]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvcouzI4ps1qht8h9.jpg

[erowe1]

If it were that important it would be a book.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Wow, I rarely hear people wanting to get a PhD in science, but also want to write novels.

A number of these SF authors have PhD's in scientific fields. Physics and Aerospace Engineering are common:

http://www.hardsf.org/HSFWHd01.htm
http://www.hardsf.org/HSFWHd02.htm

-t

[Tpoints]

If it were that important it would be a book.

it is on a million websites :) I am surprised, they don't seem to have a companion book on their site, unlike Zeitgeist.

[Tpoints]

A number of these SF authors have PhD's in scientific fields. Physics and Aerospace Engineering are common:

http://www.hardsf.org/HSFWHd01.htm
http://www.hardsf.org/HSFWHd02.htm

-t

ohh...for a minute I thought that was a list of all PhDs. I didn't think PK Dick had a scientific background

[John F Kennedy III]

It sounds amazing. The stuff about aliens makes me hesitate, but I'll give it a chance, anyway.

Hold your nose if you have to bro. It's worth it. It's only a few minutes of the film and it's what adisongrace said. It only brings them up to discuss the technology.

[thehungarian]

Is this a Zeitgeist type of doc? I shall watch.

[youngbuck]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll watch it with a friend when I get some time.

[Tpoints]

Is this a Zeitgeist type of doc? I shall watch.

yes, it's like Zeitgeist plus What The Bleep and The Secret.

[adisongrace]

Is this a Zeitgeist type of doc? I shall watch.

It's sort of like that, but as JFK III stated the information is life changing.

[John F Kennedy III]

Wow, I rarely hear people wanting to get a PhD in science, but also want to write novels.

Yeah I know :) I've finally just decided to do what I've been wanting to do for years instead of finding excuses not to.

[Tpoints]

Yeah I know :) I've finally just decided to do what I've been wanting to do for years instead of finding excuses not to.

Good, I like that! I like when people are inspired to do something and not giving themselves excuses. But on that note, I trust that you're aware of the financial costs of schooling, so keep that in mind, and deal with it :)

[tangent4ronpaul]

ohh...for a minute I thought that was a list of all PhDs. I didn't think PK Dick had a scientific background

Hard SF is a branch of SF writing that is generally written by people with Science and Engineering degrees and science is a key part of the writing.

-t

[John F Kennedy III]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll watch it with a friend when I get some time.

You're welcome. It is well worth your time.

[Tpoints]

Hard SF is a branch of SF writing that is generally written by people with Science and Engineering degrees and science is a key part of the writing.

-t

Cool, I appreciate that.

You reminded me to check up on the latest Dick film I missed, the adjustment bureau.

[John F Kennedy III]

Good, I like that! I like when people are inspired to do something and not giving themselves excuses. But on that note, I trust that you're aware of the financial costs of schooling, so keep that in mind, and deal with it :)

It will be very expensive, but a plan is being developed for that :) I could self teach it for cheap, but then I wouldn't get the hands on mechanical and lab experience that is utterly essential to putting the knowledge into practice.

[John F Kennedy III]

Hard SF is a branch of SF writing that is generally written by people with Science and Engineering degrees and science is a key part of the writing.

-t

Yeah a great deal of hard SF is written by people with these degrees who work in these fields. Interestingly, I'm not much of a fan of hard SF :p

[adisongrace]

It will be very expensive, but a plan is being developed for that :) I could self teach it for cheap, but then I wouldn't get the hands on mechanical and lab experience that is utterly essential to putting the knowledge into practice.

Also someone has to inject truth into a non-legitimate business.

[John F Kennedy III]

Also someone has to inject truth into a non-legitimate business.

Absolutely Sis :)

[Deborah K]

Hold your nose if you have to bro. It's worth it. It's only a few minutes of the film and it's what adisongrace said. It only brings them up to discuss the technology.

This movie has so many interesting and enlightening facets to it. There are some areas that are far-fetched, so one has to keep an open mind and focus on the stuff you can use.

I think this documentary should be broken up on You Tube into the various segments, so that one could easily refer to a specific topic. I was very interested in the torus vector equilibrium and unlimited energy. Also, about what the gov't and its bed partners have done to people like Tesla (who discovered how to harness energy without using copper or anything) and Hoxey who (among others) found a cure for cancer.

[Peace Piper]

Words cannot describe how important this documentary is to everyone. Please watch this documentary.-JFKIII

Interesting so far, I'm about half way but I notice in the Crop circle segment they didn't mention this one- have you seen this? The story makes regular crop circles seem a bit boring...


http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7262/2012alienfaceincrabwood.jpg

Crabwood Formation

The Message of the Formation
is Clear — We Want to Talk!

The primary purpose of the Crabwood formation is to show us how to establish a two-way dialogue with an off-world race.

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/image012.jpg

In order for us to initiate that two-way dialogue, we must first establish a common communication medium amongst other things...
http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/1.shtml

It's hard to believe 2 blokes, some string and boards did that one...

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/image016.jpg

"...Going back to our spiral of binary digits in the crop formation disc, we obtain an initial grouping of 01000010 01100101 01110111 01100001 01110010 and so on, spiralling out from the centre. (see diagram). We can translate these binary sequences into their decimal equivalent and thus look them up in the ASCII character set to see what letters they correspond to.

Doing this for the whole 'disc' we get the message "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. (Damaged Word). There is GOOD out there.We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)".

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html

aliens communicate in ASCII? Why not?

Edit: Add views from the ground plus the discovery of an LED device...
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface2.html

[torchbearer]

The scientist I know also enjoy writing science fiction.
the discussion between fantasy and science fiction, and how some movies like star wars, may seem to some as science fiction- when it is fantasy.
having a deeper understanding of science could provide a useful background for scifi.

[torchbearer]

Interesting so far, I'm about half way but I notice in the Crop circle segment they didn't mention this one- have you seen this? The story makes regular crop circles seem a bit boring...


http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7262/2012alienfaceincrabwood.jpg

Crabwood Formation

The Message of the Formation
is Clear — We Want to Talk!

The primary purpose of the Crabwood formation is to show us how to establish a two-way dialogue with an off-world race.

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/image012.jpg

In order for us to initiate that two-way dialogue, we must first establish a common communication medium amongst other things...
http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/1.shtml

It's hard to believe 2 blokes, some string and boards did that one...

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/image016.jpg

"...Going back to our spiral of binary digits in the crop formation disc, we obtain an initial grouping of 01000010 01100101 01110111 01100001 01110010 and so on, spiralling out from the centre. (see diagram). We can translate these binary sequences into their decimal equivalent and thus look them up in the ASCII character set to see what letters they correspond to.

Doing this for the whole 'disc' we get the message "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. (Damaged Word). There is GOOD out there.We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)".

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html

aliens communicate in ASCII? Why not?

I believe we aren't alone, but crop circles as a way of communication is ridiculous.
much simpler ways to send the message without any confusion or question.
same complaint i have with the bible people.
if god really wanted you to know him, why'd he make knowledge about him as clear as mud?
just a test? god as loki?

[John F Kennedy III]

Interesting so far, I'm about half way but I notice in the Crop circle segment they didn't mention this one- have you seen this? The story makes regular crop circles seem a bit boring...


http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7262/2012alienfaceincrabwood.jpg

Crabwood Formation

The Message of the Formation
is Clear — We Want to Talk!

The primary purpose of the Crabwood formation is to show us how to establish a two-way dialogue with an off-world race.

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/image012.jpg

In order for us to initiate that two-way dialogue, we must first establish a common communication medium amongst other things...
http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/1.shtml

It's hard to believe 2 blokes, some string and boards did that one...

http://www.yowusa.com/et/2002/et-2002-08a/image016.jpg

"...Going back to our spiral of binary digits in the crop formation disc, we obtain an initial grouping of 01000010 01100101 01110111 01100001 01110010 and so on, spiralling out from the centre. (see diagram). We can translate these binary sequences into their decimal equivalent and thus look them up in the ASCII character set to see what letters they correspond to.

Doing this for the whole 'disc' we get the message "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. (Damaged Word). There is GOOD out there.We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)".

http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html

aliens communicate in ASCII? Why not?

Edit: Add views from the ground plus the discovery of an LED device...
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface2.html

I am somewhat familiar with this from Nassim Haramein's 8 HOUR Rogue Valley lecture. I am bookmarking this page so I can study this is in more detail. Thank you :)

[John F Kennedy III]

I believe we aren't alone, but crop circles as a way of communication is ridiculous.
much simpler ways to send the message without any confusion or question.
same complaint i have with the bible people.
if god really wanted you to know him, why'd he make knowledge about him as clear as mud?
just a test? god as loki?

I have no firm ground to stand on with this. All I can do is theorize that aliens don't think we (the whole of Earth's population) are ready to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exist.

[torchbearer]

I have no firm ground to stand on with this. All I can do is theorize that aliens don't think we (the whole of Earth's population) are ready to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exist. then, no communication would be appropriate.
unless you envision a galaxy full of teenage pranksters in galaxy treking vessels just messing with some backwater planet full of monkeys.

[TheTexan]

I have no firm ground to stand on with this. All I can do is theorize that aliens don't think we (the whole of Earth's population) are ready to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they exist.

They're probably debating on whether or not to exterminate our species.

[adisongrace]

I believe we aren't alone, but crop circles as a way of communication is ridiculous.
much simpler ways to send the message without any confusion or question.
same complaint i have with the bible people.
if god really wanted you to know him, why'd he make knowledge about him as clear as mud?
just a test? god as loki?

I see too many occurrences with the flower of life, and the vector equilibrium within
crop circles and ancient artifacts to discredit the idea of communication.

[torchbearer]

They're probably debating on whether or not to exterminate our species.

demolish to make way for a transgalactic hyper-spaceway.

[torchbearer]

I see too many occurrences with the flower of life, and the vector equilibrium within
crop circles and ancient artifacts to discredit the idea of communication. not saying any of the ideas are wrong, it just doesn't make sense unless space travel to any place in the galaxy is quick and easy. almost as if this alien race wouldn't have to expend great amount of time and resources just to leave some easter eggs that will only confuse the monkeys.
find me a black pillar of knowledge and i'm there. i'm an open mind, but i'm not making shapes out of the clouds.

[adisongrace]

not saying any of the ideas are wrong, it just doesn't make sense unless space travel to any place in the galaxy is quick and easy. almost as if this alien race wouldn't have to expend great amount of time and resources just to leave some easter eggs that will only confuse the monkeys.
find me a black pillar of knowledge and i'm there. i'm an open mind, but i'm not making shapes out of the clouds.

Why doesn't it make sense? If the ET beings believe that our
society isn't utilizing its full potential, and wish to see us advance as a civilization
wouldn't it make sense they would make contact?

Solid proof of their intention will only
be revealed if they expose themselves
to us. In our current frame of time this isn't the case.

[torchbearer]

Why doesn't it make sense? If the ET beings believe that our
society isn't utilizing its full potential, and wish to see us advance as a civilization
wouldn't it make sense they would make contact?

Solid proof of their intention will only
be revealed if they expose themselves
to us. In our current frame of time this isn't the case.


You must envision some really advanced aliens.
I see a galaxy filled with vessels limited by the speed of light.
that is why it doesn't make sense.

you don't travel from europe to an unknown world, spending three months on a lil' boat- risking life, just so you can fuck up some native's crops in hopes of some kind of off-hand communication. then make the trek back.
sounds like a stupid, wasted trip.
then add in the enormity of distance between the stars- and none of the "play games" type communication attempts make sense.

[adisongrace]

You must envision some really advanced aliens.
I see a galaxy filled with vessels limited by the speed of light.
that is why it doesn't make sense.

you don't travel from europe to an unknown world, spending three months on a lil' boat- risking life, just so you can fuck up some native's crops in hopes of some kind of off-hand communication. then make the trek back.
sounds like a stupid, wasted trip.
then add in the enormity of distance between the stars- and none of the "play games" type communication attempts make sense.

the documentary does adress this, but the evidence presented does theorize they have mastered electro magnetic
energy through the understanding of the flower of life, vector equilibrium(s) in conjunction with advanced technology.

I don't see it as a wasted trip. I see it as the beings attempting to enrich minds soley.

[torchbearer]

the documentary does adress this, but the evidence presented does theorize they have mastered electro magnetic
energy through the understanding of the flower of life, vector equilibrium(s) in conjunction with advanced technology.

I don't see it as a wasted trip. I see it as the beings attempting to enrich minds soley. I think it would be more likely that the first extraterrestrial comminucation we recieved wouldn't even be meant for us. I see SETI catching hold of communication signals of another civilization.
of course, there may be only a handful of advanced civilizations in our entire galaxy. none of which may be anywhere close to us.

[John F Kennedy III]

then, no communication would be appropriate.
unless you envision a galaxy full of teenage pranksters in galaxy treking vessels just messing with some backwater planet full of monkeys.

I believe aliens have been helping guide us humans for a really long time. Like parents I guess.

One thing that really interests me about the documentary is technology presented. If you haven't watched it, I recommend it. Free energy technology is being suppressed along with the science that could revolutionize the world. Including mode of space travel. It seems tori may somehow be connected to the propulsion system, based on what is discussed in the documentary.

[adisongrace]

I think it would be more likely that the first extraterrestrial comminucation we recieved wouldn't even be meant for us. I see SETI catching hold of communication signals of another civilization.
of course, there may be only a handful of advanced civilizations in our entire galaxy. none of which may be anywhere close to us.

Our universe simply is one galaxy of planets within a cluster of a super
cluster of a supercluster within a double torus. We may not have access
to those planets as you have mentioned, but it's asinine to think we alone
have access to technological revolutions.

Every cluster, every planet, every being all run on the same torus frequency. Therefore
I do believe we can evolve our capabilities to suit the free energy
as presented in the film.

[torchbearer]

I believe aliens have been helping guide us humans for a really long time. Like parents I guess.

One thing that really interests me about the documentary is technology presented. If you haven't watched it, I recommend it. Free energy technology is being suppressed along with the science that could revolutionize the world. Including mode of space travel. It seems tori may somehow be connected to the propulsion system, based on what is discussed in the documentary.
if they are guiding us, then they must be monitoring us. otherwise, how are they guiding? blindly?
how does this monitoring occur?
an alien race advance enough to see everywhere and be everywhere, might as well be gods.
que stargate.
resisting the urge to marathon stargate.... again. (including atlantis and sgu)

[John F Kennedy III]

Has anyone finished watching this documentary yet? I'm really excited to discuss it :)

[adisongrace]

if they are guiding us, then they must be monitoring us. otherwise, how are they guiding? blindly?
how does this monitoring occur?
an alien race advance enough to see everywhere and be everywhere, might as well be gods.
que stargate.
resisting the urge to marathon stargate.... again. (including atlantis and sgu)



This post has zero relevance to the topic presented.
I think we should shift the conversation back to information
we have to discuss, not a fictional show.

[John F Kennedy III]

if they are guiding us, then they must be monitoring us. otherwise, how are they guiding? blindly?
how does this monitoring occur?
an alien race advance enough to see everywhere and be everywhere, might as well be gods.
que stargate.
resisting the urge to marathon stargate.... again. (including atlantis and sgu)

Please watch the documentary and please reply to mine and adisongrace's entire reply instead of making a partial reply and then bringing up random off topic things. We are both taking the time to reply to you.

[torchbearer]

This post has zero relevance to the topic presented.
I think we should shift the conversation back to information
we have to discuss, not a fictional show. I'm sorry, i'm not allowed to respond to a post.

[Confederate]

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/site-index/

[torchbearer]

Please watch the documentary and please reply to mine and adisongrace's entire reply instead of making a partial reply and then bringing up random off topic things. We are both taking the time to reply to you. uh, I brought up a valid question. its like i'm on technical support with a guy in India who i've just gotten off his script. ever done that?
yes, the questions i posed may not been on your specific topic, but it is a question to something you posted in this thread, and that something does have to do with aliens and them guiding us.
if you have info, then tell me.

[liberty2897]

Great video! It covers a lot of ground. I epecially like the solutions section.
I'm becoming convinced lately that the solutions that we seek will not be realized
with political changes alone. We must change the way that we think about ourselves
and the world around us. I'm starting to believe that we all have enormous
power to change the world around us, we just have to change our thought process to
realize that we have become slaves to a system. We need to become aware of our
individual and collective power as human beings.

I know that this video might seem un-related, but it is one of several
that really made me start thinking about what humans really are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
We are energy beings.
We are self-aware matter/engergy that is connected to all the energy/matter around us.
We are both individuals and a collective simultaneously. Many, if not most of us
spend most of our time living in our left brain. We need to start waking up the
right brain. I've found that re-introducing myself to a moderate level of cannibas
is doing the trick for me, but I'm sure there are many ways to do this.

[Natural Citizen]

I watched it some time ago. They did a phenominal job regarding the Federal Reserve and the follow the money discussion. Christians will attack this documentary to some extent because of the information relative to the ancients but I thought it was exceptionally done. I'm a ancient history buff as well and...well...science is my life so...yeah.

Some very, very good discussion could come from this but it's unfortunate that there is no platform for it here. It's definitely not general politics type stuff. Will perhaps become destined to be buried and forgotten like other similar important subject matter.

[adisongrace]

Getting back on topic, I present to the active researchers of the thrive documentary,
Nassim's paper on the schwarzschild proton. Enjoy.
http://theresonanceproject.org/pdf/schwarzschild_proton_a4.pdf

[Natural Citizen]

Great video! It covers a lot of ground. I epecially like the solutions section.
I'm becoming convinced lately that the solutions that we seek will not be realized
with political changes alone. We must change the way that we think about ourselves
and the world around us. I'm starting to believe that we all have enormous
power to change the world around us, we just have to change our thought process to
realize that we have become slaves to a system. We need to become aware of our
individual and collective power as human beings.

I know that this video might seem un-related, but it is one of several
that really made me start thinking about what humans really are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
We are energy beings.
We are self-aware matter/engergy that is connected to all the energy/matter around us.
We are both individuals and a collective simultaneously. Many, if not most of us
spend most of our time living in our left brain. We need to start waking up the
right brain. I've found that re-introducing myself to a moderate level of cannibas
is doing the trick for me, but I'm sure there are many ways to do this.

Wow. I saw this TED talk a while back. Loved it. Couldn't have happened to a better person. If people watch it, they'll understand what I mean.

Here's my favorite 3 1/2 minute remix version of it after the fact. + reps for everyone..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB7jSFeVz1U&list=UUR9sFzaG9Ia_kXJhfxtFMBA& index=23

[Confederate]

Getting back on topic, I present to the active researchers of the thrive documentary,
Nassim's paper on the schwarzschild proton. Enjoy.
http://theresonanceproject.org/pdf/schwarzschild_proton_a4.pdf

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/who-is-nassim-haramein/

[adisongrace]

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/who-is-nassim-haramein/

Hi Jumbo,

That Wordpress author also discredits liberty minded individuals and ostracizes free thinkers.
If you do not believe the ideas presented, don't. However it is a disservice to your intellect to not question
the system of suppression and indoctrination.

[Natural Citizen]

Getting back on topic, I present to the active researchers of the thrive documentary,
Nassim's paper on the schwarzschild proton. Enjoy.
http://theresonanceproject.org/pdf/schwarzschild_proton_a4.pdf

Nassim does some extraordinary research. There is a wealth of his work out there.

[Confederate]

Hi Jumbo,

That Wordpress author also discredits liberty minded individuals and ostracizes free thinkers.
If you do not believe the ideas presented, don't. However it is a disservice to your intellect to not question
the system of suppression and indoctrination.

I'm just presenting both sides. I thought you were against censorship?

[adisongrace]

I'm just presenting both sides. I thought you were against censorship?

I am. However, that Wordpress site also discredits those that believe
in changing the system, so it's not exactly a reliable source. Blogs, like
scientific reports are just opinions. So before believing any
source of information a citizen must consider the source.

[Confederate]

I am. However, that Wordpress site also discredits those that believe
in changing the system, so it's not exactly a reliable source. Blogs, like
scientific reports are just opinions. So before believing any
source of information a citizen must consider the source.

It's just pointing out that this guy has absolutely no academic or scientific credentials and that he makes outrageous claims.

[Natural Citizen]

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/who-is-nassim-haramein/

Bull. I laugh my rear end off every time some dolt slaps the term "debunked" on something they don't like or want to accept. Very rarely does anything at all get "debunked". Heck, half of the people slapping "debunked" on things aren't anywhere near in the intellectual league of those they have this illusion that they have in teir own minds "debunked".

[adisongrace]

It's just pointing out that this guy has absolutely no academic or scientific credentials and that he makes outrageous claims.

He is self taught. I admit his ideas are farfetched at first glance, however
his research presented in the paper is solid. Do not attempt to assasinate his char., focus on the material
presented.

[Natural Citizen]

I'm becoming convinced lately that the solutions that we seek will not be realized
with political changes alone. We must change the way that we think about ourselves
and the world around us. I'm starting to believe that we all have enormous
power to change the world around us, we just have to change our thought process to
realize that we have become slaves to a system. We need to become aware of our
individual and collective power as human beings.

A thousand and one + reps to you if I could. I can only give you one though. If more people woke up and understood that then things would change much faster. But change does still progress until that time. Just a tad bit slower is all.

[Natural Citizen]

I'm just presenting both sides. I thought you were against censorship?

Is that screed truly the other side of the notion? I think not. Not at all. The other side of the argument is far deeper than anything wordpress has to say about it. I promise. That's like Yasimite Sam pointing his pea shooter at Wile E. Cyote and Wile E. sticking his finger in the barrel and saying "I debunked yer pea shooter, Sam" . Well...Wile E. ended up not debunking the reality of Sam regardless of whether he told the fellers at the pub otherwise.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hYCKh29DLv8/TUw4sCODTII/AAAAAAAADCo/JLwgmxbIfuQ/s400/wile%2Be%2Bcoyote.jpg





Anyone who is truly capable of debunking anything Nassim has to say actually agree with him on many, many things and such discussion otherwise is usually in the presence of peers. Not at the end of some slapshot's keyboard speaking for someone else.

[adisongrace]

Lets talk about the content presented.
This is an important issue and I don't
want it to be swept under the rug.

[Natural Citizen]

Lets talk about the content presented.
This is an important issue and I don't
want it to be swept under the rug.

What content, exactly? DeborahK made an excellent point if it's the documentary you're talking about as far as content. And then beyond that, once you move onto other thousands of pieces of work by these people after watching it, assuming one does, then the nature of the beast is broad and you move on to many different people doing similar work. It's not just Nassim. He just kind of fits in with other scientific theory in what he brings in his studies of the ancients.

What content do you mean?

[adisongrace]

What content, exactly? DeborahK made an excellent point if it's the documentary you're talking about as far as content. And then beyond that, once you move onto other thousands of pieces of work by these people after watching it, assuming one does, then the nature of the beast is broad and you move on to many different people doing similar work. It's not just Nassim. He just kind of fits in with other scientific theory in what he brings in his studies of the ancients.

What content do you mean?


Thank you for the response.

I was referring to the documentary and the
subversion of the information presented by
gamble.

1)Elite subversion of the truth
2)Why were the scientist studying
Free Energy were brutalized
3)Banking Cartels
4)How can we work together
to bring about change?
5)Code of life

These issues are the ones that I hope we can discuss.

[John F Kennedy III]

Great video! It covers a lot of ground. I epecially like the solutions section.
I'm becoming convinced lately that the solutions that we seek will not be realized
with political changes alone. We must change the way that we think about ourselves
and the world around us. I'm starting to believe that we all have enormous
power to change the world around us, we just have to change our thought process to
realize that we have become slaves to a system. We need to become aware of our
individual and collective power as human beings.

I know that this video might seem un-related, but it is one of several
that really made me start thinking about what humans really are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
We are energy beings.
We are self-aware matter/engergy that is connected to all the energy/matter around us.
We are both individuals and a collective simultaneously. Many, if not most of us
spend most of our time living in our left brain. We need to start waking up the
right brain. I've found that re-introducing myself to a moderate level of cannibas
is doing the trick for me, but I'm sure there are many ways to do this.

Bookmarked. Thank you :)

[KingNothing]

Lets talk about the content presented.
This is an important issue and I don't
want it to be swept under the rug.


His proton theory is absolutely ridiculous to the point of discrediting everything he has ever done or will ever do, though

[John F Kennedy III]

Thank you for the response.

I was referring to the documentary and the
subversion of the information presented by
gamble.

1)Elite subversion of the truth
2)Why were the scientist studying
Free Energy were brutalized
3)Banking Cartels
4)How can we work together
to bring about change?
5)Code of life

These issues are the ones that I hope we can discuss.

I 2nd this ^

Not only are all these subjects incredibly interesting, I believe they are the fundamental subjects we need to discuss to actually bring about legitimate real change and improvement to Earth and us 8 billion or so humans that call it home.

[adisongrace]

His proton theory is absolutely ridiculous to the point of discrediting everything he has ever done or will ever do, though

What do you disagree with?

[Natural Citizen]

Thank you for the response.

I was referring to the documentary and the
subversion of the information presented by
gamble.

1)Elite subversion of the truth
2)Why were the scientist studying
Free Energy were brutalized
3)Banking Cartels
4)How can we work together
to bring about change?
5)Code of life

These issues are the ones that I hope we can discuss.

Those things have no place on a board like this in my opinion. Science and alternative theory isn't even given a platform thread for discussion here. Probably by design. Let's face it, as close as you get to anything scientific here is to talk about an algorithm to link to data to a google ad for who the heck ever is marketing their latest notion to cash in. Now that doesn't remove them from relevance but there are actual platforms for such discussion with like minded people and that's where you stand a chance at becoming organized and involved with what others are doing. If you would like, I can introduce you to those circles of discussion. Many of the folks cited often are involved with discussion and ...lets say efforts...regarding the subjects. Of course, you'd have to remain content to be in the company of a bunch of PhD's from hundreds of different fields from around the world where discussion is actually relative to the single cause for humanity but often divided as far as paths...that do ultimately meet...and becomes rather hectic to absorb. More reading and learning than yapping.

Points 1 and 3 may be subject matter relative to this platform as far as spin factor but in retrospect and in true scope they are irrelevant anyhow.

liberty2897 made a profound statement in those few sentences. Platforms conforming to those scribbles exist. That's where they need to remain and remain in the company of those who believe it to be true and are doing something to place those ideas into application and relevance.

[John F Kennedy III]

Those things have no place on a board like this in my opinion. Science and alternative theory isn't even given a platform thread for discussion here. Probably by design. Let's face it, as close as you get to anything scientific here is to talk about an algorithm to link to data to a google ad for who the heck ever is marketing their latest notion to cash in. Now that doesn't remove them from relevance but there are actual platforms for such discussion with like minded people and that's where you stand a chance at becoming organized and involved with what others are doing. If you would like, I can introduce you to those circles of discussion. Many of the folks cited often are involved with discussion and ...lets say efforts...regarding the subjects.

Points 1 and 3 may be subject matter relative to this platform as far as spin factor but in retrospect and in true scope they are irrelevant anyhow.

liberty2897 made a profound statement in those few sentences. Platforms conforming to those scribbles exist. That's where they need to remain and remain in the company of those who believe it to be true and are doing something to place those ideas into application and relevance.

I don't agree that it shouldn't be discussed here. If you are simply saying that RPF doesn't have the correct membership to bring about real progress on the subject, I at least mostly agree. And you're right, there isn't a dedicated sub-forum for it.

I'd love to be introduced to the correct circles :)

[adisongrace]

Those things have no place on a board like this in my opinion. Science and alternative theory isn't even given a platform thread for discussion here. Probably by design. Let's face it, as close as you get to anything scientific here is to talk about an algorithm to link to data to a google ad for who the heck ever is marketing their latest notion to cash in. Now that doesn't remove them from relevance but there are actual platforms for such discussion with like minded people and that's where you stand a chance at becoming organized and involved with what others are doing. If you would like, I can introduce you to those circles of discussion. Many of the folks cited often are involved with discussion and ...lets say efforts...regarding the subjects.

Points 1 and 3 may be subject matter relative to this platform as far as spin factor but in retrospect and in true scope they are irrelevant anyhow.

liberty2897 made a profound statement in those few sentences. Platforms conforming to those scribbles exist. That's where they need to remain and remain in the company of those who believe it to be true and are doing something to place those ideas into application and relevance.


I believe that
suppression of information and the
government overreach into free
energy is very relevant.

[John F Kennedy III]

I believe that
suppression of information and the
government overreach into free
energy is very relevant.

Absolutely.

[Natural Citizen]

I don't agree that it shouldn't be discussed here. If you are simply saying that RPF doesn't have the correct membership to bring about real progress on the subject, I at least mostly agree. And you're right, there isn't a dedicated sub-forum for it.

I'd love to be introduced to the correct circles :)

What I mean is that change isn't as political as many would like others to simply accept. There has been a theoretical line dividing science and politics for a very long time. It has been a necessary line of division. I think we can all agree that science and technology is changing the world. But science goes beyond ipods and ads. Change is happening in a far broader manner than many actually look to see. That said, there really shouldn't be any wine before it's time. If that makes sense. If you want to really become involved with and become aquainted with the efforts coming from the science community as a whole that is change then it really should be understood that politics (or public perception of politics) are the last thing we need in that mix. At least the kind of political discussion that would typically disregard the relevance in it. And that's what I see here for the most part. Heck. Couple of days and this thread will be 3 pages down and forgotten about. That's just a fact. It's a choice that people make. As such, change in it's truest form will pass most right by.

I'll gather some useful links though and pm them. There are many platforms established in the science community for such discussion on how to become relevant to change.

[FrankRep]

yes, it's like Zeitgeist plus What The Bleep and The Secret.
... and aliens.

[John F Kennedy III]

What I mean is that change isn't as political as many would like others to simply accept. There has been a theoretical line dividing science and politics for a very long time. It has been a necessary line of division. I think we can all agree that science and technology is changing the world. But science goes beyond ipods and ads. Change is happening in a far broader manner than many actually look to see. That said, there really shouldn't be any wine before it's time. If that makes sense. If you want to really become involved with and become aquainted with the efforts coming from the science community as a whole that is change then it really should be understood that politics (or public perception of politics) are the last thing we need in that mix. At least the kind of political discussion that would typically disregard the relevance in it. And that's what I see here for the most part. Heck. Couple of days and this thread will be 3 pages down and forgotten about. That's just a fact. It's a choice that people make. As such, change in it's truest form will pass most right by.

I'll gather some useful links though and pm them. There are many platforms established in the science community for such discussion on how to become relevant to change.

I definitely understand you now. Thank you and I look forward to the links :)

[adisongrace]

What I mean is that change isn't as political as many would like others to simply accept. There has been a theoretical line dividing science and politics for a very long time. It has been a necessary line of division. I think we can all agree that science and technology is changing the world. But science goes beyond ipods and ads. Change is happening in a far broader manner than many actually look to see. That said, there really shouldn't be any wine before it's time. If that makes sense. If you want to really become involved with and become aquainted with the efforts coming from the science community as a whole that is change then it really should be understood that politics (or public perception of politics) are the last thing we need in that mix. At least the kind of political discussion that would typically disregard the relevance in it. And that's what I see here for the most part. Heck. Couple of days and this thread will be 3 pages down and forgotten about. That's just a fact. It's a choice that people make. As such, change in it's truest form will pass most right by.

I'll gather some useful links though and pm them. There are many platforms established in the science community for such discussion on how to become relevant to change.

I understand your meaning, I just don't see it like that. I prefer to look as this site as not a face of politics, but the face of liberty grass roots.
Free energy is a grass roots issue.

However I do see a trend of users falling off the map here and threads continue to get buried behind the same used out rhetoric/topics.

[WilliamShrugged]

I understand your meaning, I just don't see it like that. I prefer to look as this site as not a face of politics, but the face of liberty grass roots.
Free energy is a grass roots issue.

However I do see a trend of users falling off the map here and threads continue to get buried behind the same used out rhetoric/topics.

Agreed 100%

[TheGrinch]

His proton theory is absolutely ridiculous to the point of discrediting everything he has ever done or will ever do, though

Your theory that you can discredit one thing that's debateable or false and then discredit his entire worldview and works over it (plenty of which only loosely related to whatever it is you take issue with), is absolutely ridiculous to the point of discrediting everything you have ever said or will say.

I still have to watch the end about solutions, but I thought it was a very good documentary, a tad on the generalization side with not a ton of supporting evidence in the doucmentary, but it was clearly meant to be rhetorical rather than meant to be a source of proof of these ideas. However, many of those ideas are very verifiable, including J.P> Morgna shutting down Tesla's work, which was obviously, much like everything else meant to protect industry (and thus industry leader goals) at the cost of human progress.

Will report back on the solution part, but thanks for sharing.

[John F Kennedy III]

I still have to watch the end about solutions, but I thought it was a very good documentary, a tad on the generalization side with not a ton of supporting evidence in the doucmentary, but it was clearly meant to be rhetorical rather than meant to be a source of proof of these ideas. However, many of those ideas are very verifiable, including J.P> Morgna shutting down Tesla's work, which was obviously, much like everything else meant to protect industry (and thus industry leader goals) at the cost of human progress.

Will report back on the solution part, but thanks for sharing.

You're welcome. I won't ruin the ending, but you'll like it :)

[Natural Citizen]

I definitely understand you now. Thank you and I look forward to the links :)

I'm putting some links together for you. You may have to join some networks to participate in various discussion though. The flipside of it is that you'll simply have to deal with being in the same company of different aspects of political position if you choose to participate. United we stand and all of that happy shit. You know? Can't help it. Worst that can happen is some dolt will call you a globalist when some issues come up.

Also, how do you feel about participating in areas of action/discussion where your name is required for registration on boards? I'm not going to bother with some of them if that's something you're not comfortable doing. Although, to be clear, there really is no such thing as online anonymity anyhow. That's an illusion. People get the notion that you really want to help and inform others when we know who we are talking to.

[John F Kennedy III]

I'm putting some links together for you. You may have to join some networks to participate in various discussion though. The flipside of it is that you'll simply have to deal with being in the same company of different aspects of political position if you choose to participate. United we stand and all of that happy shit. You know? Can't help it. Worst that can happen is some dolt will call you a globalist when some issues come up.

Also, how do you feel about participating in areas of action/discussion where your name is required for registration on boards? I'm not going to bother with some of them if that's something you're not comfortable doing. Although, to be clear, there really is no such thing as online anonymity anyhow. That's an illusion. People get the notion that you really want to help and inform others when we know who we are talking to.

Lol I will get called a globalist? I can handle that. And every member here is on file at a fusion center/NSA with their real name whether they know it or not. I have no qualms about using my real name to join a forum.

[jtap]

Thanks for the video recommendations.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

I stopped watching at aliens.

[July]

Well it's a long doc...over two hours, so took me two days to finish watching it all, but I decided to give it a chance... I've seen it floating around online before, but didn't watch past the intro about aliens, etc.

Anyway so many topics to discuss, but...confirms my suspicion there are Taoist/Buddhist undercurrents and influences in the liberty and freedom movements, as well as Christian ones... well how does that spontaneous order market thing work anyhow...all by itself, without need of government intervention and central planning to make it "go"? So is the "invisible hand" a "torus" pattern? Look they are describing the same phenomenon, IMO:


I, Pencil, am a complex combination of miracles: a tree, zinc, copper, graphite, and so on. But to these miracles which manifest themselves in Nature an even more extraordinary miracle has been added: the configuration of creative human energies—millions of tiny know-hows configurating naturally and spontaneously in response to human necessity and desire and in the absence of any human master-minding! Since only God can make a tree, I insist that only God could make me. Man can no more direct these millions of know-hows to bring me into being than he can put molecules together to create a tree.

The above is what I meant when writing, "If you can become aware of the miraculousness which I symbolize, you can help save the freedom mankind is so unhappily losing." For, if one is aware that these know-hows will naturally, yes, automatically, arrange themselves into creative and productive patterns in response to human necessity and demand—that is, in the absence of governmental or any other coercive masterminding—then one will possess an absolutely essential ingredient for freedom: a faith in free people. Freedom is impossible without this faith.
- Leonard E. Read


Pratitya samutpada is sometimes called the teaching of cause and effect, but that can be misleading, because we usually think of cause and effect as separate entities, with cause always preceding effect, and one cause leading to one effect. According to the teaching of Interdependent Co-Arising, cause and effect co-arise (samutpada) and everything is a result of multiple causes and conditions... In the sutras, this image is given: "Three cut reeds can stand only by leaning on one another. If you take one away, the other two will fall." For a table to exist, we need wood, a carpenter, time, skillfulness, and many other causes. And each of these causes needs other causes to be. The wood needs the forest, the sunshine, the rain, and so on. The carpenter needs his parents, breakfast, fresh air, and so on. And each of those things, in turn, has to be brought about by other causes and conditions. If we continue to look in this way, we'll see that nothing has been left out. Everything in the cosmos has come together to bring us this table. Looking deeply at the sunshine, the leaves of the tree, and the clouds, we can see the table. The one can be seen in the all, and the all can be seen in the one. One cause is never enough to bring about an effect. A cause must, at the same time, be an effect, and every effect must also be the cause of something else. Cause and effect inter-are. The idea of first and only cause, something that does not itself need a cause, cannot be applied.- Thich Nhat Hanh

[MelissaCato]

This was a really good movie. The only thing missing in the script is Ron Paul when he's discuss the evils of the FED Reserve. He mentioned everyone but Ron Paul. At least narrator did mention the best thing we can do is join the movement to audit and end the FED Reserve. That would have to be the Ron Paul Revolution. lol

I played the movie from my YouTube remote to the TV so everyone could watch and listen. The narrator explained how the media is a public relation enity to the evil hell bent on bringing down America with problem, action, solution - he did a very good job .. my whole family agreed with him.

Great movie - thanks.

[adisongrace]

I have to say thank you to those who gave Thrive a chance. I respect those who give
alternative thinking a chance.

[John F Kennedy III]

I stopped watching at aliens.

Just skip that part. It's been thoroughly explained in this thread what they are talking about in that segment. But it's only like 5 minutes. Just skip it. It's a very important documentary. I would not be putting in any effort to get you to watch the rest if I didn't feel it was worth your time. Seriously, please watch the rest.

[John F Kennedy III]

This was a really good movie. The only thing missing in the script is Ron Paul when he's discuss the evils of the FED Reserve. He mentioned everyone but Ron Paul. At least narrator did mention the best thing we can do is join the movement to audit and end the FED Reserve. That would have to be the Ron Paul Revolution. lol

I played the movie from my YouTube remote to the TV so everyone could watch and listen. The narrator explained how the media is a public relation enity to the evil hell bent on bringing down America with problem, action, solution - he did a very good job .. my whole family agreed with him.

Great movie - thanks.

Lol yeah he left out Ron, but there's so much important info in this doc that we talk about. And he ends it by advocating Non Aggression :)

Awesome that you watched it with you're family :) The more people that see this and learn the info the better.

[adisongrace]

Just skip that part. It's been thoroughly explained in this thread what they are talking about in that segment. But it's only like 5 minutes. Just skip it. It's a very important documentary. I would not be putting in any effort to get you to watch the rest if I didn't feel it was worth your time. Seriously, please watch the rest.

Agreed. The idea of a infinite cluster of galaxies, and the theory of unification
is touched more upon than the ET subjectmatter. And even that conversation only
lasts maybe 30-45 mins. This documentary is about intellectual suppression.

[July]

It isn't knowledge/technology that has to have necessarily come from aliens. It's certainly plausible that governments simply have more advanced technology that the masses aren't aware of yet, and that governments do routinely suppress ideas and new inventions in order to protect state sponsored monopolies, or prevent other governments from getting ahold of it, etc. The idea that governments might blame unexplained sightings on aliens or conspiracy theories, or outright deny the possibility of such things (though it's really such a natural thing to wonder about), in order to dissuade people from asking questions, or suppress serious thought and research on how such technology might work, is plausible, in my opinion.

[John F Kennedy III]

I wholeheartedly believe we have a secret space program that makes NASA look like kids playing with legos. Regardless of how we got the knowledge. It's ridiculous to think our governments DON'T hide the most advanced technologies. They certainly don't act eager to help us out in any other arena. I'm not saying you have to believe they are advanced like in the first sentence, but to think they aren't more advanced than they let on is just foolish.

On a side note, I really can't get over how much ground this documentary covers. It's a gigantic wealth of info, it lays everything out for you. One could easily take notes and spend dozens of hours researching everything.

[idiom]

"...Going back to our spiral of binary digits in the crop formation disc, we obtain an initial grouping of 01000010 01100101 01110111 01100001 01110010 and so on, spiralling out from the centre. (see diagram). We can translate these binary sequences into their decimal equivalent and thus look them up in the ASCII character set to see what letters they correspond to.

At first I was all
http://i.imgur.com/yJzJ8.gif


Doing this for the whole 'disc' we get the message "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. (Damaged Word). There is GOOD out there.We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)".

Then I was all
http://i.imgur.com/Wbf7c.gif

[idiom]

I wholeheartedly believe we have a secret space program that makes NASA look like kids playing with legos. Regardless of how we got the knowledge. It's ridiculous to think our governments DON'T hide the most advanced technologies. They certainly don't act eager to help us out in any other arena. I'm not saying you have to believe they are advanced like in the first sentence, but to think they aren't more advanced than they let on is just foolish.

On a side note, I really can't get over how much ground this documentary covers. It's a gigantic wealth of info, it lays everything out for you. One could easily take notes and spend dozens of hours researching everything.

I haven't watched the doco yet, but I shall.

There certainly is a tremendous black space program. It involves at a minimum several hubble scale telescopes directed at earth plus several 100m+ radio telescopes pointed at Earth. That's as large as I can scope it from legit sources, with estimates on how much was spent and when.

In terms of technology however, space is largely bounded by physics, not technology. The physics makes it exceptionally hard to get things done. Usually the way to resolve it is to throw money at it.

The Official Military Space Program's budget is fully twice the size of NASA's. A large amount of what NASA does is driven by militray specs, such as the use of solid boosters and the size of the shuttle payload bay.

Beyond that NASA is probably one of the more heavily used expensing mechanisms for black operations which is why some of their programs run ridiculously over budget despite having some of the best project managers in the world.

[John F Kennedy III]

I haven't watched the doco yet, but I shall.

There certainly is a tremendous black space program. It involves at a minimum several hubble scale telescopes directed at earth plus several 100m+ radio telescopes pointed at Earth. That's as large as I can scope it from legit sources, with estimates on how much was spent and when.

In terms of technology however, space is largely bounded by physics, not technology. The physics makes it exceptionally hard to get things done. Usually the way to resolve it is to throw money at it.

The Official Military Space Program's budget is fully twice the size of NASA's. A large amount of what NASA does is driven by militray specs, such as the use of solid boosters and the size of the shuttle payload bay.

Beyond that NASA is probably one of the more heavily used expensing mechanisms for black operations which is why some of their programs run ridiculously over budget despite having some of the best project managers in the world.

Thanks for the post. I look forward to your opinion of the documentary. Just by confirming there is a black space program that clearly isn't transparent we are admitting they do things we don't know about. Things they don't want us to know. That opens up alot of possibilities :)

[John F Kennedy III]

At first I was all
http://i.imgur.com/yJzJ8.gif



Then I was all
http://i.imgur.com/Wbf7c.gif

The bell sound is weird.

[whippoorwill]

bump

[jmdrake]

Just skip that part. It's been thoroughly explained in this thread what they are talking about in that segment. But it's only like 5 minutes. Just skip it. It's a very important documentary. I would not be putting in any effort to get you to watch the rest if I didn't feel it was worth your time. Seriously, please watch the rest.

Good overall video. I could do without the ET stuff at the beginning and the new age stuff at the end, but at least it's not overtly anti Christian like Zeitgeist. That said....I'm not sure why the producer didn't show his own implementation of a free energy device? I mean, if the free energy part is so important (and I think it is) why just talk about it? A Bedeni motor, for example, doesn't look that hard to build.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ttY7yLXZSpo

And JFK, why wait until you go get a PhD to build one of these things? If you can take a basic class in electronics at a community college and learn how to solder you should be able to build one. That's may plan. Learn how to build these things myself. Okay...so it's "suppressed technology". You certainly can't get a patent for any of this. But can you build one and sell it to other people over the net via bitcoins?

Edit: And for me the world's best website on free energy.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/qedynmnu.htm

[osan]

Not bad, though he gets a few facts wrong. And what is up with giving air time to that socialist turd Amy Goodman?

Overall, pretty good. He mentions non-violation, which is a definite hit point. I noticed he seems to have very consciously avoided some of the more salient points of human freedom, such as possession of weaponry (unless I missed it whilst getting some tea in the kitchen), drugs, and so forth. But there many good things.

Not sure I buy the toroidal universe/free energy bit, given there was no discussion about the facts backing the assertion. I have read some of Haramein's work and do not yet have a solid opinion. The free energy bit as presented here is a bit airy fairy for me, but I hope it proves true. The question in my mind is this: if these inventors were/are such philanthropists, why not produce a set of complete engineering drawings for these free energy contraptions and post them for, say, $5 on the net? They'd probably sell millions of them. Were I to have invented such things and was raided by FBI, I can damned well assure you that this is what would happen. If I could not make a buck on it legitimately for fear of "government", I would by all means give it away such that there would be nothing the thugs could do to stop the world from having it. That aspect of this production I find highly suspect, despite all the other solidly good stuff that is in it.

The other item that stood out was the implication that nuclear energy was a categorical loser. It might well be, especially in light of the claimed toroidal free energy source. But why was no mention made of LFTR technology? Was it because all "nukes" are evil? If so, my opinion of this would have to take a turn toward doubt. If it is because of the overall package of still requiring long transmission lines and the like... that might be different. Why no mention of LENR? LFTR and LENR are not mainstream, but they are significant in terms of having earned consideration.

The bit on the "ruling families" and their instruments was good, but somewhat boiler plate. The elite are now pretty well rubbing their positions and power in our noses these days, so I no longer consider this sort of exposure to be risque in the least. It would not in the least surprise me to find that they want it "out there". Recall what it said in the film about the school system taking 12 years to develop the conditioned response to authority. Perhaps this is the extension of that conditioning to reinforce the response in adults. Not saying it is so, just asking what if it were.

I like the optimistic tone of the work, but also ask this: given the gray vision of the elite, the results of which have produced this lunatic asylum in which we all now live, how is it that this guy comes out of nowhere with this slick production with bunnies and light on the one hand for the salvation of man by technology (another premise I question, BTW), and a damning prosecution of the elite, yet he remains, apparently unsullied by these same devils who have brought to ruin all the others? Something in that arithmetic also seems a little off, though it might just be me over-thinking.

Could it be an element of controlled opposition? Things are so convoluted these days that little can be trusted at face value, so I would advise some caution if you intend on approaching these people. That was my first impulse... go running there and find out whom I might help along these lines... especially the energy bit. The packaging is slick and that is another aspect that raises a flag. Who is this man and whence came his money such that he is able to produce such a Hollywood show? He may be completely on the level, and heaven knows I hope he is, but what if he is not?

I would say a little more research is in order.

EDIT: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/
I've not investigated this much at all - just tossing it in to provide another perspective.

[osan]

A very basic summary:

1. Starts out discussing free energy technology, the suppression of it and why. Touches on extraterrestrials.

Interesting, but nothing of demonstration offered that was convincing to me. Does the site show more than unsupported assertions? If this stuff works, I would like to build one and wave a middle finger at the energy companies.


2. Goes on to discuss the control of energy, food, media, education and the suppression of alternatives. Goes into great detail about who basically controls everything and how.


This part was very well done.


3. Talks about the basically complete and total tyranny we will live under if we don't stop it and gives a possible future if we do take action. How prosperous the world can be if we get out from under control of the Elite few.

Also well done, IMO... but to what end?

One place this documentary falls down badly is that they fail to address the issue of attitude and smarts. Education is addressed, but I do not recall there having been mention of the absolute need for a critical mass of the population to be on the ball in terms of smarts and attitude, though I did leave the room a couple times for tea. So if I missed it, I apologize in advance. But if not, why was so crucial a point missed?


4. Ends by outlining how we can take control from the Elite and by talking about Non Aggression and how if we all practiced it we can prosper and thrive.

Here there were some failures and some successes. Firstly, his assertions about Aikido were nonsense. I have studied jujutsu for 41 years and still counting. Aikido was Uyeshiba's vision of jujutsu. Uyeshiba was a tiger in his youth - a masterful practitioner of Daito Ryu (my school) aikijujutsu. He never would have called it "non-violent". In his decrepitude, Uyeshiba went all soft and started babbling about the bunnies and the light. This happens and I can actually understand why because it is in my nature to go there as well. But fantasy must always be tempered with reality and the heart of Aikido, which is aikijujutsu, is most certainly and decidedly not "non-violent". It is what my sensei, John Denora (RIP. try johndenora.com for more info) called "elegantly violent" and I have used that characterization as my standard ever since.

Also, he does NOT mention the NAP. I have written here before that the NAP is seriously flawed in its semantic detail and that the better term would be non-trespass or non-violation. The latter term is used in this documentary and it is excellent that he used it in preference to NAP. NVP is the better conceptual construct due to more appropriate semantics. Self-defense is aggression, yet it is perfectly legitimate because it is NOT violation. Words can be VERY important and this is an example of where they are. The non-violation principle, alternately the principle of non-trespass, is far and away superior to that of non-aggression in this particular application and IMO we should get the hell away from NAP and move smartly to NVP/NTP. The psychological effects of our choices of words can be subtle, yet very profound and in this case "aggression" is a poor choice to represent the concept in question.

I would also assess his call to withdraw from the system a great idea in principle, but how does one do it without starving, freezing, or being targeted by these madmen with guns?

Another failure I picked up on was the categorical call to remain non-violent. Meh... that fails in my book because when they start shooting at you I generally am of the mind that it is better to die on one's feet than on one's knees. I agree to avoid violence where it is reasonable to do so, but to go quietly into the night... hell no.

One other weird thing was the "it's not a Jewish conspiracy" deal. Why mention this? Why take the pains to underscore this? What is up with that?

[osan]

Yeah I know :) I've finally just decided to do what I've been wanting to do for years instead of finding excuses not to.

An English degree does not readily lead to PhD in physics. Not saying it cannot be done, but you will have to demonstrate some horsepower to be accepted into a program. Two of my degrees are in computer science (BS/MS) and getting into the PhD program was still tough. You might want to take a physics minor... or major in it with a minor in English. Then your MS, then on to the doctorate.

Also, be SURE that you love that thing a lot because a PhD is otherwise semi-worthless. I was in the PhD program at CUNY and left because I just did not want to devote that much of my life to an endeavor that was going to earn me no significant increase in income. Notice the lack of love. :) I've done the degree deal 7 times thus far and can tell you first hand that if it's money behind the push, you're wasting your time. You have to love what you study because it is a lot of work just to get it, a lot more to get it well, and no point in just squeaking by. In my opinion.

Oh, and the debt will kill you. Financially speaking, worst decision I ever made was to get the MBA. It may literally kill me in the coming two years. Don't ask.

[July]

Osan, I think a lot of these things you point out were attempts to appeal to a wide range of different groups and try to weave them together... Seemed to me the doc was meant to appeal to sort of occupy types, greens, libertarians, as well as truth, conspiracy, and conservative populist types...but it doesn't really focus on one particular angle, and leans more pacifist than NAP, in my opinion. I don't think it was strictly made as a libertarian doc or meant to soley express libertarian ideals, so I took it in that context.

As for aikido, I don't practice it, but I agree it was a little weird referring to a martial art as "non violent". But I took that segment to mean he was (awkwardly perhaps) trying to talk about the idea of movement and redirecting force, and used aikido as an example...but he doesn't scratch the surface and explain the implications of what that actually means, or how it would apply in a political context, etc. That's left for the audience to research and explore on their own, I suppose. The whole doc is kinda "top level" and "overview" covering a lot of ground but not going into a lot of background detail on each topic.

[John F Kennedy III]

Good overall video. I could do without the ET stuff at the beginning and the new age stuff at the end, but at least it's not overtly anti Christian like Zeitgeist. That said....I'm not sure why the producer didn't show his own implementation of a free energy device? I mean, if the free energy part is so important (and I think it is) why just talk about it? A Bedeni motor, for example, doesn't look that hard to build.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ttY7yLXZSpo

And JFK, why wait until you go get a PhD to build one of these things? If you can take a basic class in electronics at a community college and learn how to solder you should be able to build one. That's may plan. Learn how to build these things myself. Okay...so it's "suppressed technology". You certainly can't get a patent for any of this. But can you build one and sell it to other people over the net via bitcoins?

Edit: And for me the world's best website on free energy.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/qedynmnu.htm

I never said I'd wait until I had a PHD to build one of these :D I will definitely be heavily involved in free energy and a decentralized currency before then. The PHD is because I want to design and build spaceships. Ones that make the NASA space shuttle look like a Hot Wheels car.

I do need to learn how to build these free energy devices. Thanks for the video, I will show it to my friend. She has been researching them to find one to combine with Bitcoin mining.

You probably could sell them for Bitcoins. You can definitely mine Bitcoins with them. It could easily be something where each person gives this device to a friend/neighbor and let it spread like that :)

[John F Kennedy III]

An English degree does not readily lead to PhD in physics. Not saying it cannot be done, but you will have to demonstrate some horsepower to be accepted into a program. Two of my degrees are in computer science (BS/MS) and getting into the PhD program was still tough. You might want to take a physics minor... or major in it with a minor in English. Then your MS, then on to the doctorate.

Also, be SURE that you love that thing a lot because a PhD is otherwise semi-worthless. I was in the PhD program at CUNY and left because I just did not want to devote that much of my life to an endeavor that was going to earn me no significant increase in income. Notice the lack of love. :) I've done the degree deal 7 times thus far and can tell you first hand that if it's money behind the push, you're wasting your time. You have to love what you study because it is a lot of work just to get it, a lot more to get it well, and no point in just squeaking by. In my opinion.

Oh, and the debt will kill you. Financially speaking, worst decision I ever made was to get the MBA. It may literally kill me in the coming two years. Don't ask.

I intend to do the degrees seperately. I will have enough classes for physics to qualify. I do still need to make an education plan and figure out how to best accomplish this. It will certainly involve self teaching physics (since that is how you truly learn something in this system) and possibly test into some higher physics classes. I do sincerely love both things :) That's why I'm going for both. One of them being a Physics PHD with specialty in Astrophysics. I want to be a epic medieval fantasy and epic space opera (think George RR Martin and Peter F Hamilton) author and I want to design and build a whole new level of spaceship based on physics the mainstream still pretends is quackery. Plus I really, truly would love to know those physics. These are the two things that deep down I've wanted to do since I was a little child.

I won't ask. You should consider mining Bitcoin with a free energy device. My friend and I are working on a thread for it. That will likely be how I fund this outside of any aid I qualify for.

July seems to have answered your other posts well. You seem to want the doc to be 6 hours. I'd love a 3 part series, but most people have terribly short attention spans these days. A ton of info is presented in 2 hours. It's mentions their website as a research guide, but you can also do it independently.

[KerriAnn]

I am. However, that Wordpress site also discredits those that believe
in changing the system, so it's not exactly a reliable source. Blogs, like
scientific reports are just opinions. So before believing any
source of information a citizen must consider the source.

YES! Consider the source! The source of this film.... FOSTER GAMBLE?!?! seriously? You people know who he is right? Foster Gamble is the narrator and producer of this film, and the financial backer it seems as well. Last name Gamble... hmmmm..... ring any bells? Like Proctor and Gamble?

I have a hard time believing this guy is trying to wake us up. Probably more like he is hijacking our brains.

[KerriAnn]

And what's up with the movie poster? I'm not that into all the illuminati stuff, but holy shit...

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/img/ThriveMovie.jpg

[John F Kennedy III]

YES! Consider the source! The source of this film.... FOSTER GAMBLE?!?! seriously? You people know who he is right? Foster Gamble is the narrator and producer of this film, and the financial backer it seems as well. Last name Gamble... hmmmm..... ring any bells? Like Proctor and Gamble?

I have a hard time believing this guy is trying to wake us up. Probably more like he is hijacking our brains.

Guilty by association? I don't want you on my jury. He talks about Proctor and Gamble as being part of the problem in this film, which I highly recommend to you and everyone else.

Guilty by association isn't guilty.

[KerriAnn]

Guilty by association? I don't want you on my jury. He talks about Proctor and Gamble as being part of the problem in this film, which I highly recommend to you and everyone else.

Guilty by association isn't guilty.
Not condemning him automatically, but just alerting everyone to this fact. If you want a proper discussion about the film, you can't leave that out. Holy shit, it's kind of a big deal that the heir to Proctor and Gmable has made a movie like this. Why would the elite stand for such a thing? Why would they ALLOW one of their family members to produce and release a film like this?

[KerriAnn]

Just remember that the elite will control EVERY side of every war, and EVERY side of the conversation.

[Peace Piper]

At first I was all
Then I was all


I didn't say I believed it, did I Sherlock.

I said I thought it was interesting and I didn't believe 2 blokes with a string and boards did it in the middle of one night.

Pound sand. Or wheat fields. Whatever gets you off. Open minds my rear.

http://mmmgroup2.altervista.org/aliencrop.jpg

[John F Kennedy III]

And what's up with the movie poster? I'm not that into all the illuminati stuff, but holy shit...

http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/img/ThriveMovie.jpg

You're trying too hard to discredit the documentary without discussing the content. If you look into the eye you can see a metaphysical manifestation of a person.

Not everything is Illuminati. Calm down.

[KerriAnn]

You're trying too hard to discredit the documentary without discussing the content. If you look into the eye you can see a metaphysical manifestation of a person.

Not everything is Illuminati. Calm down.
Like I said, I don't give much credit to illuminati stuff.... But why in the world would they use this symbolism on the movie poster?

[John F Kennedy III]

Not condemning him automatically, but just alerting everyone to this fact. If you want a proper discussion about the film, you can't leave that out. Holy shit, it's kind of a big deal that the heir to Proctor and Gmable has made a movie like this. Why would the elite stand for such a thing? Why would they ALLOW one of their family members to produce and release a film like this?

He mentions them in the film. I didn't think people would miss that. This isn't the first time it has been discussed on the internet. But ok, full disclosure, he is related to the Gambles from Proctor and Gamble. He isn't guilty just because of his blood. People need to do their own research too. It's the only way to truly learn.

[John F Kennedy III]

Just remember that the elite will control EVERY side of every war, and EVERY side of the conversation.

That is true. Well they attempt to control the convo, and they do it well. I am not attempting to dissuade anyone from doing research or questioning sources. But don't automatically dismiss something. Have you watched Thrive yet? If not, please do. It would be ridiculous to criticize without even watching it, IMO.

[jclay2]

Even if I greatly doubt material presented in this film, I will give it a watch. I mean if someone told you that the highest echelons of corporate america and government met for two weeks every year in the redwood forests of california to witness a baby sacrifice in front of a 40 foot owl statue, would you believe them?

[John F Kennedy III]

Like I said, I don't give much credit to illuminati stuff.... But why in the world would they use this symbolism on the movie poster?

Because the documentary is about expanding your mind, waking up, looking for the metaphysical. It is not an Illuminati eye. It is not the all seeing eye. Am I perhaps missing something? Or are you referring to the eye?

[John F Kennedy III]

Even if I greatly doubt material presented in this film, I will give it a watch. I mean if someone told you that the highest echelons of corporate america and government met for two weeks every year in the redwood forests of california to witness a baby sacrifice in front of a 40 foot owl statue, would you believe them?

Not without researching it and it wouldn't stop me from watching a documentary about it.

I am glad you're willing to watch Thrive. I would like to hear your thoughts about it :)

[adisongrace]

I think it is a blind view to consider every assimilation of an awakening eye
to be attributed with the Illuminati.

Remember kids,

http://i.qkme.me/3r3gwh.jpg

[paulbot24]

I think it is a blind view to consider every assimilation of an awakening eye
to be attributed with the Illuminati.

Remember kids,

http://i.qkme.me/3r3gwh.jpg


Yes, but the socks are still missing. Where did they go?

[adisongrace]

Yes, but the socks are still missing. Where did they go?

Exactly! & how did they get there?

oops. I'm questioning again.
Terrorist action completed.

[KerriAnn]

I think it is a blind view to consider every assimilation of an awakening eye
to be attributed with the Illuminati.


Ok, but if you were putting together an informative documentary about the NWO and other related topics, would you use that as your movie cover? wouldn't it occur to you, at some point, that some people may construe your movie poster as symbolic of the illuminati if you choose to put a lady covering one eye on it?

[osan]

Osan, I think a lot of these things you point out were attempts to appeal to a wide range of different groups and try to weave them together... Seemed to me the doc was meant to appeal to sort of occupy types, greens, libertarians, as well as truth, conspiracy, and conservative populist types...but it doesn't really focus on one particular angle, and leans more pacifist than NAP, in my opinion. I don't think it was strictly made as a libertarian doc or meant to soley express libertarian ideals, so I took it in that context.

Your points are well taken. I tend to become highly analytic with these sorts of things, and with good reason. I am not attempting to discredit him, but I do believe that the materials presented here should be regarded carefully and its messenger examined closely. The elite play both ends against the middle at every opportunity because they know it works like a charm, especially against an intellectually compromised population. The US population is highly compromised in great proportion.


I took that segment to mean he was (awkwardly perhaps) trying to talk about the idea of movement and redirecting force, and used aikido as an example

Perhaps, but if so he should have done a better job of it. It may seem I am being too particular, but I do not believe that to be the case. If you are going to do a doc like this, you really need to be not only thorough, but very careful about what you choose to include and how you express your ideas. Any work that calls the orthodoxy so strongly into question must be above reproach in every respect.

In my opinion.

[paulbot24]

I found this movie a couple of months ago and I agree that it is very well done. It seems well-budgeted, professional, and doesn't have that cheesy college student project feel to it you find in a lot of the documentaries floating around about these subjects. A great one to show to certain friends and family that won't weird them out like some others.

[adisongrace]

Ok, but if you were putting together an informative documentary about the NWO and other related topics, would you use that as your movie cover? wouldn't it occur to you, at some point, that some people may construe your movie poster as symbolic of the illuminati if you choose to put a lady covering one eye on it?

If you look deep into the eye you will see an embodiment of the metaphysical being.
Which is was one the themes of the film. See beyond what is literal. Whether that
is energy, paradigm politics, or even monetary systems of resource attribution; having an open mind is
what is being portrayed.

I personally believe that there is nothing wrong with the poster as it portrays
the metaphysical, not the all seeing eye.

[osan]

Yes, but the socks are still missing. Where did they go?

I know this is going to sound crazy, but here goes. Two words:

Underwear.

Gnomes.

[KerriAnn]

If you look deep into the eye
Stop right there. I don't want to. I will not.

kidding.

yes i saw it, you don't have to look deep. alll i'm saying is that if I were to choose a symbolic image for the cover of my movie, I certainly would make damn sure there was absolutely nothing about pyramids or one eye or any of that shit.

[John F Kennedy III]

Exactly! & how did they get there?

oops. I'm questioning again.
Terrorist action completed.

Reported.

http://www.aipac.org/en/~/media/Sites/AIPAC%202011/Images/Site%20Functionality/Homepage/Slides/Napolitano.jpg?mw=322

[paulbot24]

I know this is going to sound crazy, but here goes. Two words:

Underwear.

Gnomes.

If that's the case, I don't even want to know what they're doing with my wife's panties right now. Dirty little gnomes.

[John F Kennedy III]

Ok, but if you were putting together an informative documentary about the NWO and other related topics, would you use that as your movie cover? wouldn't it occur to you, at some point, that some people may construe your movie poster as symbolic of the illuminati if you choose to put a lady covering one eye on it?

You have yet to even address the content of the documentary. You will get no more replies from me until you watch it. You insist on seeing things that are not there even after it has been explained to you that it isn't what you're trying to pretend it is.

I'm sure your father taught you better than to behave like a troll.

[John F Kennedy III]

Your points are well taken. I tend to become highly analytic with these sorts of things, and with good reason. I am not attempting to discredit him, but I do believe that the materials presented here should be regarded carefully and its messenger examined closely. The elite play both ends against the middle at every opportunity because they know it works like a charm, especially against an intellectually compromised population. The US population is highly compromised in great proportion.



Perhaps, but if so he should have done a better job of it. It may seem I am being too particular, but I do not believe that to be the case. If you are going to do a doc like this, you really need to be not only thorough, but very careful about what you choose to include and how you express your ideas. Any work that calls the orthodoxy so strongly into question must be above reproach in every respect.

In my opinion.

The Elite absolutely do play both sides.

QUESTION EVERYTHING and do your own research.

[paulbot24]

An analytical mind will enjoy this movie. They proved to have some serious balls in some of the things they dissect. It's not low-budget youtube garbage. I reference checked a bunch of stuff after watching it that I didn't know about and it all checked out.

[adisongrace]

Stop right there. I don't want to. I will not.

kidding.

yes i saw it, you don't have to look deep. alll i'm saying is that if I were to choose a symbolic image for the cover of my movie, I certainly would make damn sure there was absolutely nothing about pyramids or one eye or any of that shit.


To me none of the content hints at Masonic imagery.
Also to be fair, Alchemy also uses geometric triangles and
Pyramidian technology in their studies. A lot of esoteric
texts use this type of geometry. Masons just ran with the symbolism, and
and used it as their marketing model.

[ClydeCoulter]

You have yet to even address the content of the documentary. You will get no more replies from me until you watch it. You insist on seeing things that are not there even after it has been explained to you that it isn't what you're trying to pretend it is.

I'm sure your father taught you better than to behave like a troll.

She's just curious and looking for truth... :)
(She watched it before posting anything)

The first thing I saw when I viewed the poster (some time back) was:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53961121/ThriveMovie_01.png

[KerriAnn]

You have yet to even address the content of the documentary. You will get no more replies from me until you watch it. You insist on seeing things that are not there even after it has been explained to you that it isn't what you're trying to pretend it is.

I'm sure your father taught you better than to behave like a troll.

I apologize if I came off sounding like a troll. I'm just trying to think critically.

I did watch the movie. Most of the info is stuff I already know. And i think most of us here know it too. I do think the movie could be good for those people who don't realize what's happening to our world.

However, let's discuss the solutions they present in the movie:

get rid of Fed reserve, elimnate poverty, eliminate GMOs, protect liberty, free energy, do not respond with violence (!), and so on.

Aren't we already doing these things? Where is it getting us? And some of these solutions are literally impossible. I feel like the movie is attempting to lead us down the wrong path. That's just my take on it. I am not saying I know what the solution is, but I think we're missing something. They know what it is and they'll never tell us.

[adisongrace]

I apologize if I came off sounding like a troll. I'm just trying to think critically.

I did watch the movie. Most of the info is stuff I already know. And i think most of us here know it too. I do think the movie could be good for those people who don't realize what's happening to our world.

However, let's discuss the solutions they present in the movie:

get rid of Fed reserve, elimnate poverty, eliminate GMOs, protect liberty, free energy, do not respond with violence (!), and so on.

Aren't we already doing these things? Where is it getting us? And some of these solutions are literally impossible. I feel like the movie is attempting to lead us down the wrong path. That's just my take on it. I am not saying I know what the solution is, but I think we're missing something. They know what it is and they'll never tell us.

I don't think you were being a troll, you were stating your view.

1)FED RESERVE: I don't see a change coming in this arena until an alternative currency
is accepted.

2)POVERTY: putting money, and technology, into the hands of citizens (open access for all)
will equalize the poverty lines.

3)GMO: Plant a garden, provide seeds for those who don't have any, eat outside the constrains
of corp. frankenfoods. There's a bunch of choices when it comes to this issue. I found organic
veggies at a dollar store in my community. consciousness is changing.

4)FREE ENERGY: This is a giant issue for me! Subversion of technology and
free sustaining energy has dismantled lives across the globe.
There are a few solutions in creating free energy for your community:
1) Energy that surrounds us in the flow of particles in the air can be harnessed by creation of a circuit board. (As seen in the video below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sRC4tK02aco
2)Wild solar energy, without the use of solar cells
http://www.dailytech.com/Scientists+Discover+Wild+Solar+Energy+Effect+Allow s+Power+Without+Cells/article21388.htm
3)Solar/laser energy harnessing through the use of Maglev Graphite & a super conductor
http://phys.org/news/2012-12-magnetically-levitating-graphite-laser.html#jCp

and... the list goes on and on.

5)VIOLENCE: Occupy does a great job of not inciting violence. Peaceful assembly is the only way to go.

[John F Kennedy III]

She's just curious and looking for truth... :)
(She watched it before posting anything)

The first thing I saw when I viewed the poster (some time back) was:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53961121/ThriveMovie_01.png

That's the fan edited version. It's not a real poster.

I knew her father was around here. Couldn't remember who it was :p

[John F Kennedy III]

I apologize if I came off sounding like a troll. I'm just trying to think critically.

I did watch the movie. Most of the info is stuff I already know. And i think most of us here know it too. I do think the movie could be good for those people who don't realize what's happening to our world.

However, let's discuss the solutions they present in the movie:

get rid of Fed reserve, elimnate poverty, eliminate GMOs, protect liberty, free energy, do not respond with violence (!), and so on.

Aren't we already doing these things? Where is it getting us? And some of these solutions are literally impossible. I feel like the movie is attempting to lead us down the wrong path. That's just my take on it. I am not saying I know what the solution is, but I think we're missing something. They know what it is and they'll never tell us.

You're good. I know you're not a troll, just seemed to be acting like one. I still remember the first day you joined here. You're awesome :) You just seemed to be trying to insist it had to be Illuminati.

I agree that this movie is great for those that don't know much yet. It packs a ton of info into 2 hours.

Not many people are actually trying to get any of those things accomplished. We would be alot better off if even 25% were. What do you consider impossible?

Well the Elites certainly know something they aren't telling us :(

[ClydeCoulter]

That's the fan edited version. It's not a real poster.

I knew father was around here. Couldn't remember who it was :p

That's not the real poster (with my triangle and rays overlayed)? It's the same poster they show on imdb for the movie.

[John F Kennedy III]

That's not the real poster (with my triangle and rays overlayed)? It's the same poster they show on imdb for the movie.

Oh you added that yourself. I didn't know that. I suppose the poster is real then. That's you're opinion though, what you added I mean.

[KevinR]

It was alright, but mostly because I already knew of most of it. The crop circle response to NASAs radio message was new to me though!

My friend enjoyed it and it definitely opened his eyes..

[wrestlingwes_8]

For anyone who doubts the reality of free energy, you need to look closer at the research. I was always a little skeptical about whether the machines really did work or not...until I met someone 2 weeks ago that has built a working model. This technology is indeed VERY REAL.

[green73]

Where the hell has JFK3 been?

[anaconda]

You must also like What the Bleep :P

I liked What The Bleep.

[TruckinMike]

//

[John F Kennedy III]

Thanks for the bump.

[jllundqu]

Would free energy violate the laws of thermodynamics... namely 'energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred'?

[KingNothing]

Would free energy violate the laws of thermodynamics... namely 'energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred'?

Yes, and Thrive is one of the worst documentaries that I've ever seen.

[KingNothing]

I want to be a epic medieval fantasy and epic space opera (think George RR Martin and Peter F Hamilton) author and I want to design and build a whole new level of spaceship based on physics the mainstream still pretends is quackery

Wow. Go for it!

But I think you have a totally distorted view of the scientific community.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Would free energy violate the laws of thermodynamics... namely 'energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred'?
I guess you didn't watch the documentary. They just call it free energy, technically it's being taken from the... gah why am I even explaining anything to someone who comments on something he didn't even watch/read?

[Acala]

I:
1) Energy that surrounds us in the flow of particles in the air can be harnessed by creation of a circuit board. (As seen in the video below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sRC4tK02aco
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All he is doing is capturing a TINY amount of energy from radio and television broadcasts. This is the same energy that carries the signal to radio and television receivers. This is how a crystal radio set can drive a tiny speaker. No free energy here. The broadcasters are spending plenty for the electricity to drive their transmitters.

[anaconda]

I just watched the version called "Thrive 11-11-11" about a week ago. I enjoyed it very much! I was bummed to find out that several of the people interviewed in the film subsequently dissociated themselves with the film:

http://www.thrivemovement.com/thrive-movie-pioneer-letter-of-dissociation

[heavenlyboy34]

Yes, but the socks are still missing. Where did they go?
I had a sock go missing for a while. Turned up the next week on the floor...still don't know how I missed it. :eek:

[jonhowe]

David Icke?



Can we move this to hot topics?

[PaulConventionWV]

I am somewhat familiar with this from Nassim Haramein's 8 HOUR Rogue Valley lecture. I am bookmarking this page so I can study this is in more detail. Thank you :)

What a coincidence that the aliens would look so... stereotypical.... so generic.

[ClydeCoulter]

JFKIII, if you want to investigate something interesting, try Ed Leedskalnin and the Coral Castle, if you haven't already. Just be prepared to read his stuff with a mind on the point not the gloss material, because he uses language that he knows won't be well received, so that ... well, you'll see (a book for every home, I think it's called).

[Natural Citizen]

I just watched the version called "Thrive 11-11-11" about a week ago. I enjoyed it very much! I was bummed to find out that several of the people interviewed in the film subsequently dissociated themselves with the film:

http://www.thrivemovement.com/thrive-movie-pioneer-letter-of-dissociation

A more thorough model....

http://www.thrivemovement.com/public-dialogue-between-thrive-movie-filmmakers-and-pioneers

[Natural Citizen]

What a coincidence that the aliens would look so... stereotypical.... so generic.

I've always thought that the whole "aliens" spew was just a way for people to make lik they were in some form conforming to scientific ....memes. Seems like aliens are always described in the same manner as these theoretical angels. You know? Here to save man from himself and all of that.

Carl does a better job of explaining the skullduggery than me though. Start at 3:30 . Is only a minute or so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbfOqgQVKmI

[Acala]

I've always thought that the whole "aliens" spew was just a way for people to make lik they were in some form conforming to scientific ....memes. Seems like aliens are always described in the same manner as these theoretical angels. You know? Here to save man from himself and all of that.

Carl does a better job of explaining the skullduggery than me though. Start at 3:30 . Is only a minute or so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbfOqgQVKmI

Eye patch+pipe smoking+astronomer+CIA expert+UFO expert=about the coolest real life guy I ever saw.

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Overall, I liked it -- not the totalitarian, anti-religious crap of Zeitgeist. But I feel like the UFO/Alien stuff was dragging in the beginning, and could have been cut out -- for time and overall cohesion of the documentary.

But it came out in 2011! 10 million views later, I'm not sure much has changed.

[TheTexan]

Where the hell has JFK3 been?

He's probably fell off the map with some right wing extremist group.

[John F Kennedy III]

He's probably fell off the map with some right wing extremist group.

Not exactly.

[John F Kennedy III]

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