What Have Women Lost & Gained

[Working Poor]

I took a course in the anthropology of women. It forever change my view of womanhood.

My focus was on how and why women made compromise with men through out history.

Women kept the home and the children while the man went out and paid for it all.

Women were in charge of health and medicine during ancient times. Men slowly over time completely over took the healing arts. Now medical science has worked with legislators to have complete control of women's reproductive rights. Calling abortion a right is so preposterous on so many levels. Calling the MIC version of birth control freedom and selling to women thru all types of media outlets. A whole industry grew up around convincing women that the most important thing to focus on inter political field was to keep abortion legal and safe and birth control available to all.

[Petar]

Can you give us the basic narrative?

[Working Poor]

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[Petar]

Shit, sorry to hear that man (or woman?). Maybe I can just telepathically pull it all out of the ether somehow :p

[Working Poor]

Women's greatest struggles with men involve medicine and food production . This was what the witch burnings were about. Women were against man's abuse of alcohol and the physical abuse that ensued.

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[Working Poor]

Men were in control of legal justice and military actions.

Men gained so much control that women started dying at earlier ages and loosing power in their villages and communities.

It is remarkable how women were discredited over time.

[Petar]

Women's greatest struggles with men involve medicine and food production . This was what the witch burnings were about. Women were against man's abuse of alcohol and the physical abuse that ensued.

Interesting.

I'm familiar with the idea that women who were burned as "witches" were victimized because they used medicinal herbs etc, but I'm also familiar with the idea that a lot of them were just really batty and would be considered "schizophrenic" today.

Whatever the case may have been exactly, it definitely sounds a lot like this "patriarchy" that feminists always talk about today.

Although, it is easy to imagine some kind of proto tea-totalers being around for as long as men have been getting drunk and beating the shit out of them. Who knows, maybe a bunch of them became lesbians back then too.

[donnay]

Interesting.

I'm familiar with the idea that women who were burned as "witches" were victimized because they used medicinal herbs etc, but I'm also familiar with the idea that a lot of them were just really batty and would be considered "schizophrenic" today.


Could be that moldy rye (http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1037.htm) they were eating that made them schizophrenic!

[Working Poor]

Also, control over money matters and property has been a major major problem that women and men struggle with. But the root societal struggle stems from men lusting to control life and death.

[Petar]

Could be that moldy rye (http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1037.htm) they were eating that made them schizophrenic!

Oh yeah, ergot.

Well, usually when I see someone batshit crazy walking around on the street, then I just kind of assume that they were probably abused really bad at a very young age.

Though it's not hard to imagine how something similar to LSD in the bread could contribute to the whole situation.

[AlexAmore]

Women were in charge of health and medicine during ancient times. Men slowly over time completely over took the healing arts. Now medical science has worked with legislators to have complete control of women's reproductive rights. Calling abortion a right is so preposterous on so many levels. Calling the MIC version of birth control freedom and selling to women thru all types of media outlets. A whole industry grew up around convincing women that the most important thing to focus on inter political field was to keep abortion legal and safe and birth control available to all.

This is a very fascinating perspective. If you wouldn't mind linking to more info or expanding on this, that would be great. I never linked men taking over medicine with abortion/birth control "rights" becoming prevalent. +rep

[Working Poor]

I am sick over loosing all I typed. It took me almost 3 hrs on mobile device. I have very limited i-net access and have to post when the device will let me. It is very difficult to edit from my device. Maybe this should be deleted until I get time to do it right.

[AlexAmore]

I've had that happen to me as well. It totally sucks, but sometimes my second draft of it comes out even better even though I felt completely defeated.

[heavenlyboy34]

It sounds like your studies were very Euro-centric. In several Eastern societies, women were traditionally euqal to or more powerful in society than men.

[S.Shorland]

Interesting topic

[Working Poor]

Yes it was a very interesting course for me it did look at all nationalities race and religions.
At the turn of the last century the western world frowned upon women being doctors. The AMA was and still is ran by men.

[gjdavis60]

The anthropological literature is full of examples of cultures with different gender roles than those we are familiar with. Some of these have been termed "matriarchal"; where women exercise social and political power greater than or equal to that of men. Some of the ethnographies describing these cultures are fascinating and quite eye-opening. Imo, reading ethnographic literature provides a sense about how fluid and variable human social organization really is; promoting tolerance and respect for other ways of life, and ultimately a political philosophy based on freedom for all people.

Those who cannot imagine different organizing principles for society are the most susceptible to collectivist rhetoric based on false assumptions about human nature.

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...I never linked men taking over medicine with abortion/birth control "rights" becoming prevalent. +rep

But now that you ARE in mind of "men taking over medicine", give a thought to the disproportionate progress that has been made (via taxpayer-funded R&D) in medicating/repairing/prolonging the HEART, premier killer of Money Men & Industry Titans "back in the day."

Latter day Fat Cats are now mainly in narcissistically GOOD SHAPE. For those who AREN'T...the Bill Clinton's, the Dick Cheney's...we have PROCEDURES. What's in YOUR wallet?

Conscienceless "A Type" Assholes used to COMMONLY drop dead in their 50's & 60's, whereupon their long-suffering wives hit the CHARITY CIRCUIT. Rich, powerful, amoral, incorrigible, insatiable ASSHOLES are living into their 80's. It makes a big difference.

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Also, control over money matters and property has been a major major problem that women and men struggle with. But the root societal struggle stems from men lusting to control life and death.

CERTAIN people, overwhelmingly men, lusting to control life and death.

AND lusting to control Money/Power/Matters in between.

AND willing to do (or PAY/ARRANGE to have done) that which falls infamously under the WHATEVER IT TAKES umbrella.

[ninepointfive]

Java just restarted my computer without warning in the last ten minutes. !!!!!!!!! :mad:

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Java just restarted my computer without warning in the last ten minutes. !!!!!!!!! :mad:


How 'bout those Dodgers?

[ninepointfive]

How 'bout those Dodgers?

not too sure, don't watch sports.

OP mentioned he/she lost the story they were working on

[Nirvikalpa]

I myself took a few anthropology courses (I LOVE it).

I found it most fascinating that many men point to the "hunters and gatherers" as a type of insult - women stayed behind to collect food, while men when out to hunt for it - I guess they view women as the "weaker" sex in this way. The problem with this attitude is that in hunt and gather societies, women had control of the economy because they controlled the resources. While men would leave and hunt, and only come back with food 10 or 20% of the time, women's work with gathering nearly always ended up fruitful.

It also really opened my eyes to ethnocentrism.

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I agree with your comments on the AMA, woman in medicine, etc etc. I also believe men taking a power role in medicine has led to "Westernized birth." Medications, C-sections, and women overall having less birth choices, or rarely any education on the choices they have open to them. Granted, there have been male doctors that have tried to reverse the curse (Dr. Bradley of the "Bradley Method"), for one. Just an opinion.

[kathy88]

Oh yeah, ergot.

Well, usually when I see someone batshit crazy walking around on the street, then I just kind of assume that they were probably abused really bad at a very young age.

Though it's not hard to imagine how something similar to LSD in the bread could contribute to the whole situation.

Ever been to dead concert? Thousands doing the moldy rye shuffle. lol

[Petar]

Ever been to dead concert? Thousands doing the moldy rye shuffle. lol

No, but I've always wanted to drop acid and go to the zoo. I hear the one in Cleveland is fantastic.

[Petar]

Ever been to dead concert? Thousands doing the moldy rye shuffle. lol

No, but I've always wanted to drop acid and go to the zoo. I hear the one in Cleveland is fantastic.

[Working Poor]

Women have lost the ability to raise their children. I know there are still some women who stay home with their children but, there are more who don't stay home with them.

TVs,computers, video games and government schools fill the minds of our young ones while their mom's go out to work.
I think much of the violence in schools is about children who are being put on psyc mess who's moms are on antidepression who go to work in some boring job listed of solving problems women today are treading towards ignoring their problems and their children real needs.

[Working Poor]

Women have lost the ability to raise their children. I know there are still some women who stay home with their children but, there are more who don't stay home with them.

TVs,computers, video games and government schools fill the minds of our young ones while their mom's go out to work.
I think much of the violence in schools is about children who are being put on psyc mess who's moms are on antidepression who go to work in some boring job listed of solving problems women today are treading towards ignoring their problems and their children real needs.

[Working Poor]

Having children when older may seem like a good idea for career minded and learn it is harder on the body

Women who want to have children should really limit their work outside the home when children are young. They need their mothers so much. Children are who they will be for the rest of their lives by the time the are 4 years old.