Boy arrested, put in juvenile hall, for drawing in a notebook and having electrical parts

[sailingaway]

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/28/boy-not-making-bombs-arrested-for-having

[shane77m]

this might be a time to ask when do you allow government to come in and search your home. I guess I need to take away my sons crayons and forbid him to take apart appliances and what not when he gets older.

[RickyJ]

Yep, they hate us for our "freedoms" all right. :rolleyes:

[Anti Federalist]

Shit, I would have been arrested 100 times.

Well, he learned the most important lesson at school today.


Boy, Not Making Bombs, Arrested for Having Things Cops Think Could Blow Up (And For Drawings That Spooked a Teacher)

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/28/boy-not-making-bombs-arrested-for-having

Brian Doherty|Dec. 28, 2012 5:51 pm

The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund is publicizing an interesting little story out of Galloway Township in New Jersey:

The front entrance of Cedar Creek High School in Galloway Township, N.J.

When a 16-year-old New Jersey boy doodled in his notebook on Tuesday, December 18, he probably didn’t expect to be arrested by the end of the day. However, when school officials saw the sketches, which they state appeared to be of weapons, and the boy “demonstrated behavior that caused them to be concerned,” the police were called.

A subsequent search of the boy’s home led to his arrest because they found several electronic parts and chemicals. He was charged with the possession of an explosive device and put in juvenile detention.

The details on what was precisely in the drawings are sketchy, as are the details on the behavior that caused concern. The school claims the drawings were of weapons, but the boy’s mother told various press outlets that, “He drew a glove with flames coming out of it.” If true, then the drawing wouldn’t be out of place in the notebook of any teenager who loves comic books.

At no point in time did the boy threaten the school, school officials, or his classmates. He cooperated fully with authorities, and a search of the school itself found nothing dangerous....

Lest you think it is inherently suspicious a young man would have chemicals or electronic parts, note that his school is, according to a Press of Atlantic City account, "a magnet school with programs focusing on engineering and environmental sciences and specializing in hands-on learning." And his mom told MyFoxPhilly.com that her son had a "passion for collecting old stuff, taking it apart and rebuilding things."

Also of interest from that story, a school superintendent says he's:

"thankful that we had a staff member that (saw something that) caused her some concern, and that she had the sense to report it to school officials. These are things that teachers receive training on all the time."

Most interesting detail from that Press of Atlantic City story:

Police Chief Pat Moran stressed Tuesday night no threats were made by the student and there was no indication there was any danger posed to anyone or property at the school.

“There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb,” he said.

Sounds like a good collar to me, boys!

[Anti Federalist]

this might be a time to ask when do you allow government to come in and search your home. I guess I need to take away my sons crayons and forbid him to take apart appliances and what not when he gets older.

You don't do this already?

What are you hiding citizen?

[shane77m]

You don't do this already?

What are you hiding citizen?

He has already sketched out on our walls with his crayons what could be construed as some type of schematics for some dangerous weapon. I need to hurry up and put away our Christmas lights as well. Can't have him running around with some electrical wires.

[Anti Federalist]

He has already sketched out on our walls with his crayons what could be construed as some type of schematics for some dangerous weapon. I need to hurry up and put away our Christmas lights as well. Can't have him running around with some electrical wires.

This sounds subversive.

Reported.

See Something Say Something.

[Antischism]

Living in lower Manhattan and having been in high school during the September 11th incident which our government allowed to happen, I was actually traumatized and watched the sky as it literally turned black across the city. I think it hurts even worse now knowing the truth behind the attack, and it had clearly affected me in some way. Anyway, to the point of my post:

About two months after the attack, I was sitting around bored during class messing with my TI-83 graphing calculator, which had a program allowing you to create little "games" or "programs" if you will. My mind was still stuck on the horrific events that had transpired, so I created a "program" which was a pixelated animation of a plane flying into one of the towers.

Unfortunately, I would forget my calculator at school that day, and it was a calculator with a number on the back since we were all assigned one and a master list had been created denoting who had what calculator. (The calculator was paid for, however. It was essentially a deal where I would get my money back at the end of the school year if I wanted to return it.) The next day, I heard a knock on the classroom door during English I believe it was. The principal pulled me out and took me into her office for a little one-on-one.

As I sat there, she pulled out a calculator and pushed the button to turn it on. Immediately, I saw my animation playing on the screen and she looked me in the eyes, asking if I was responsible for it. Obviously I had to admit to it. Even if I lied, they would have found out based on the assigned number.

Long story short, she told me that it was a serious issue, and they had no choice but to question me and bring in the authorities. I was suspended for a few days, and warned not to do it again.

[shane77m]

My highschool computer class had Apple IIe computers. One of our assignments was to do a Thanksgiving animation. Mine was an indian throwing a spear through a pilgrim. Fortunately that was not the world we live in today or I might have been expelled. I wish I still had that old floppy disk I had that on.

[sailingaway]

Living in lower Manhattan and having been in high school during the September 11th incident which our government allowed to happen, I was actually traumatized and watched the sky as it literally turned black across the city. I think it hurts even worse now knowing the truth behind the attack, and it had clearly affected me in some way. Anyway, to the point of my post:

About two months after the attack, I was sitting around bored during class messing with my TI-83 graphing calculator, which had a program allowing you to create little "games" or "programs" if you will. My mind was still stuck on the horrific events that had transpired, so I created a "program" which was a pixelated animation of a plane flying into one of the towers.

Unfortunately, I would forget my calculator at school that day, and it was a calculator with a number on the back since we were all assigned one and a master list had been created denoting who had what calculator. (The calculator was paid for, however. It was essentially a deal where I would get my money back at the end of the school year if I wanted to return it.) The next day, I heard a knock on the classroom door during English I believe it was. The principal pulled me out and took me into her office for a little one-on-one.

As I sat there, she pulled out a calculator and pushed the button to turn it on. Immediately, I saw my animation playing on the screen and she looked me in the eyes, asking if I was responsible for it. Obviously I had to admit to it. Even if I lied, they would have found out based on the assigned number.

Long story short, she told me that it was a serious issue, and they had no choice but to question me and bring in the authorities. I was suspended for a few days, and warned not to do it again.

How dare you draw a picture of something momentus you had seen!

[Anti Federalist]

Reported.

You will kept under double secret surveillance, citizen.

For the rest of your life.



Living in lower Manhattan and having been in high school during the September 11th incident which our government allowed to happen, I was actually traumatized and watched the sky as it literally turned black across the city. I think it hurts even worse now knowing the truth behind the attack, and it had clearly affected me in some way. Anyway, to the point of my post:

About two months after the attack, I was sitting around bored during class messing with my TI-83 graphing calculator, which had a program allowing you to create little "games" or "programs" if you will. My mind was still stuck on the horrific events that had transpired, so I created a "program" which was a pixelated animation of a plane flying into one of the towers.

Unfortunately, I would forget my calculator at school that day, and it was a calculator with a number on the back since we were all assigned one and a master list had been created denoting who had what calculator. (The calculator was paid for, however. It was essentially a deal where I would get my money back at the end of the school year if I wanted to return it.) The next day, I heard a knock on the classroom door during English I believe it was. The principal pulled me out and took me into her office for a little one-on-one.

As I sat there, she pulled out a calculator and pushed the button to turn it on. Immediately, I saw my animation playing on the screen and she looked me in the eyes, asking if I was responsible for it. Obviously I had to admit to it. Even if I lied, they would have found out based on the assigned number.

Long story short, she told me that it was a serious issue, and they had no choice but to question me and bring in the authorities. I was suspended for a few days, and warned not to do it again.

[shane77m]

http://www.mta.info/news/stories/images/see_something_lg.png

[heavenlyboy34]

Shit, I would have been arrested 100 times.

Well, he learned the most important lesson at school today.


Boy, Not Making Bombs, Arrested for Having Things Cops Think Could Blow Up (And For Drawings That Spooked a Teacher)

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/28/boy-not-making-bombs-arrested-for-having

Brian Doherty|Dec. 28, 2012 5:51 pm

The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund is publicizing an interesting little story out of Galloway Township in New Jersey:

The front entrance of Cedar Creek High School in Galloway Township, N.J.

When a 16-year-old New Jersey boy doodled in his notebook on Tuesday, December 18, he probably didn’t expect to be arrested by the end of the day. However, when school officials saw the sketches, which they state appeared to be of weapons, and the boy “demonstrated behavior that caused them to be concerned,” the police were called.

A subsequent search of the boy’s home led to his arrest because they found several electronic parts and chemicals. He was charged with the possession of an explosive device and put in juvenile detention.

The details on what was precisely in the drawings are sketchy, as are the details on the behavior that caused concern. The school claims the drawings were of weapons, but the boy’s mother told various press outlets that, “He drew a glove with flames coming out of it.” If true, then the drawing wouldn’t be out of place in the notebook of any teenager who loves comic books.

At no point in time did the boy threaten the school, school officials, or his classmates. He cooperated fully with authorities, and a search of the school itself found nothing dangerous....

Lest you think it is inherently suspicious a young man would have chemicals or electronic parts, note that his school is, according to a Press of Atlantic City account, "a magnet school with programs focusing on engineering and environmental sciences and specializing in hands-on learning." And his mom told MyFoxPhilly.com that her son had a "passion for collecting old stuff, taking it apart and rebuilding things."

Also of interest from that story, a school superintendent says he's:

"thankful that we had a staff member that (saw something that) caused her some concern, and that she had the sense to report it to school officials. These are things that teachers receive training on all the time."

Most interesting detail from that Press of Atlantic City story:

Police Chief Pat Moran stressed Tuesday night no threats were made by the student and there was no indication there was any danger posed to anyone or property at the school.

“There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb,” he said.

Sounds like a good collar to me, boys!
I would've been arrested at that age too if the security State of today existed in '98-'99. I was a welding student and routinely carried tools like flint strikers in my backpack. I too traveled by bus to a "magnet" school for welding class. I also collected my welded scrap just in case. Clearly, I'm a textbook terrorist. :rolleyes: :( Successful War On Us is successful.

Don't forget to report me, btw.

[KCIndy]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/44/Talesofthenewteentitans4starfire.jpg/250px-Talesofthenewteentitans4starfire.jpg

Yep.

Looks like the work of terrorists to me. :rolleyes::rolleyes:



The whole thing would be funny except for the fact that the idiots handling this incident have now totally F*CKED up this kid's life. Arrest record, likely to be on watchlists... not to mention being humiliated in front of his school, neighbors and family.

[Anti Federalist]

The whole thing would be funny except for the fact that the idiots handling this incident have now totally F*CKED up this kid's life. Arrest record, likely to be on watchlists... not to mention being humiliated in front of his school, neighbors and family.

The individual is not the primary concern here, citizen, it is the welfare of the state and the state's collective organs that is of primary concern.

This individual should, instead, self criticize to find out just when and where his thought-crime started.

Do you not agree, comrade?

[heavenlyboy34]

The individual is not the primary concern here, citizen, it is the welfare of the state and the state's collective organs that is of primary concern.

This individual should, instead, self criticize to find out just when and where his thought-crime started.

Do you not agree, comrade?
Indeed. Thanks again for reporting me, comrade. I hope justice is swift, efficient, and terrible. All hail Big Sister!

[VoluntaryAmerican]

WTF. This is right down the road from me.

[ClydeCoulter]

So, they don't even understand what the kid is doing? Ha, the kid will be someone that creates shit in the future, or maybe could, and they'll stiffle it. Hell, maybe they will stiffle all creativity, then we can stagnate...like we have been, except for a few toys.

My mom started buying me toys, from Goodwill or the thrift market, that were already taken apart, because I always took them apart and put them back together. The problem was, the other kids moms didn't always put all of the parts into the plastic bag or box, so I was usually missing some of the pieces to put them back together completely.

Would that be a crime these days, to have a bag of "parts" to learn from?

[ClydeCoulter]

A comment from the myfoxphilly site on this story:

"This is a disaster. What normal male child doesn't draw pictures of weapons. "Flaming gloves" aren't scary. Boys draw flaming everyting. That's why cars get "flame jobs." It's a favorite theme with human males. As for the young man's chemicals and electronic parts - REALLY? WE'RE AFRAID OF EVERYONE WITH THE INTELLIGENCE AND DRIVE TO GET UP OFF THE SOFA NOW?"

[shane77m]

A comment from the myfoxphilly site on this story:

"This is a disaster. What normal male child doesn't draw pictures of weapons. "Flaming gloves" aren't scary. Boys draw flaming everyting. That's why cars get "flame jobs." It's a favorite theme with human males. As for the young man's chemicals and electronic parts - REALLY? WE'RE AFRAID OF EVERYONE WITH THE INTELLIGENCE AND DRIVE TO GET UP OFF THE SOFA NOW?"

Does seem like kids are being pushed to a real life Idiocracy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

[luctor-et-emergo]

Living in lower Manhattan and having been in high school during the September 11th incident which our government allowed to happen, I was actually traumatized and watched the sky as it literally turned black across the city. I think it hurts even worse now knowing the truth behind the attack, and it had clearly affected me in some way. Anyway, to the point of my post:

About two months after the attack, I was sitting around bored during class messing with my TI-83 graphing calculator, which had a program allowing you to create little "games" or "programs" if you will. My mind was still stuck on the horrific events that had transpired, so I created a "program" which was a pixelated animation of a plane flying into one of the towers.

Unfortunately, I would forget my calculator at school that day, and it was a calculator with a number on the back since we were all assigned one and a master list had been created denoting who had what calculator. (The calculator was paid for, however. It was essentially a deal where I would get my money back at the end of the school year if I wanted to return it.) The next day, I heard a knock on the classroom door during English I believe it was. The principal pulled me out and took me into her office for a little one-on-one.

As I sat there, she pulled out a calculator and pushed the button to turn it on. Immediately, I saw my animation playing on the screen and she looked me in the eyes, asking if I was responsible for it. Obviously I had to admit to it. Even if I lied, they would have found out based on the assigned number.

Long story short, she told me that it was a serious issue, and they had no choice but to question me and bring in the authorities. I was suspended for a few days, and warned not to do it again.

Your principal sounds like she was an evil person. The story you tell sounds like a school that has nothing to do with education.
Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the Ti83 would have given you a compliment for programming an animation such as you did.

[ClydeCoulter]

Is everything "Illegal unless proven legal" now?