Another shooting - 1 dead, 3 cops wounded

[tangent4ronpaul]

in a police station!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/28/gloucester-new-jersey-police-shooting-injured/1795665/

A suspect under arrest was shot and killed inside a police station in New Jersey early Friday after he obtained a weapon and opened fire on three officers, injuring one seriously, according to police officials.

The gunfire erupted at the Gloucester Township police headquarters around 5:30 a.m. ET, according to Deputy Chief David Harkins, the (Cherry Hill, N.J.) Courier-Post reported.

Harkins said the unidentified suspect got his hands on a firearm and shot at the three officers.

"The officers returned fire and the suspect is deceased at this time inside the police station," he said.

-t

[CaptUSA]

Obviously, we must ban police officers from having firearms. ;)

[mport1]

If the police station was a gun free zone, many more would be dead...

[Pericles]

If the police station was a gun free zone, many more would be dead...

This does not qualify as a mass shooting because not enough people were killed.

[TER]

People are beginning to lose it, and it looks like it is accelerating. Lord have mercy.

[CaptUSA]

If the police station was a gun free zone, many more would be dead...You're missing the point, my friend... If the police didn't have weapons, this guy wouldn't have been able to steal one from them. ;)

[Pericles]

You're missing the point, my friend... If the police didn't have weapons, this guy wouldn't have been able to steal one from them. ;)

Got to lower the workplace violence for those jobs.

[tangent4ronpaul]

This does not qualify as a mass shooting because not enough people were killed.

hu? I thought it was a mass shooting when one of those possessed, scary looking black rifles was present and took control of someones mind so they started mowing down their friends and neighbors....

-t

[Pericles]

hu? I thought it was a mass shooting when one of those possessed, scary looking black rifles was present and took control of someones mind so they started mowing down their friends and neighbors....

-t

They use the criteria of at least 4 killed, because when someone is there with a gun and stops the violence, less than four people are killed. If the incidents where people with guns stop the violence are counted, gun control might not seem so attractive of an idea.

[pcosmar]

People are beginning to lose it,.

Sounds like this guy finally "got it",, though late.
At least he took a couple with him. (or tried)

[thoughtomator]

Who wants to bet that the suspect remains unidentified because he's another cop?

[TER]

Sounds like this guy finally "got it",, though late.
At least he took a couple with him. (or tried)

What happened that you are defending the murderer over the police officers? What are the details?

[thoughtomator]

What happened that you are defending the murderer over the police officers? What are the details?

When government abuses are epic and permeate every aspect of society, it's reasonable to assume the civilian who died in police custody is the real victim.

[TER]

When government abuses are epic and permeate every aspect of society, it's reasonable to assume the civilian who died in police custody is the real victim.

I don't know how reasonable it is. Sure, it is possible, and with more information maybe even likely, but to jump to conclusions when an officer has died and automatically think they deserved it and they were guilty seems a bit premature.

[phill4paul]

I don't know how reasonable it is. Sure, it is possible, and with more information maybe even likely, but to jump to conclusions when an officer has died and automatically think they deserved it and they were guilty seems a bit premature.

Day in and day out the majority of Americans jump to the conclusion that a citizen shot by a cop deserved it and is guilty...of something. Many of us here know better.
This guy just got him a case of the "Fuck It"s. He decided that today was not the day he was going to jail. For whatever reason. Whether contrived or actual.

[phill4paul]

I don't know how reasonable it is. Sure, it is possible, and with more information maybe even likely, but to jump to conclusions when an officer has died and automatically think they deserved it and they were guilty seems a bit premature.

Day in and day out the majority of Americans jump to the conclusion that a citizen shot by a cop deserved it and is guilty...of something. Many of us here know better.
This guy just got him a case of the "Fuck It"s. He decided that today was not the day he was going to jail. For whatever reason. Whether contrived or actual.
Perhaps, one of the cops told him they were gonna "Abner Louima" him once they got him into custody. The world will never know.

[pcosmar]

What happened that you are defending the murderer over the police officers? What are the details?

I respect the fight for Liberty. Even inside a police station.

The fight for survival.
Self defense is not murder.

Police are NOT to be respected. There is nothing to respect.

They are armed enforcers of injustices every day.

[pcosmar]

What happened that you are defending the murderer over the police officers? What are the details?

The details are missing.

A suspect under arrest was shot and killed inside a police station

A suspect.,? of what?
No name,, no alleged crime..
But we are meant to believe he was guilty of some horrible crime simply because he was arrested by an armed and hostile group. (police)

the benefit of doubt goes to the victim,,who is dead.

[Nirvikalpa]

What happened that you are defending the murderer over the police officers? What are the details?

Simply the fact they were cops. This is RPF after all.

[Bruno]

"The officers returned fire and the suspect is deceased at this time inside the police station," he said.

Do they expect him to recover from being deceased?

[thoughtomator]

I don't know how reasonable it is. Sure, it is possible, and with more information maybe even likely, but to jump to conclusions when an officer has died and automatically think they deserved it and they were guilty seems a bit premature.

As long as the "thin blue line" code of silence exists, our baseline assumption must be that the cops are not going to tell the truth about any situation that might involve criminal or unethical activity on the part of LEOs. Right now all we appear to know for sure is that a civilian in police custody was shot by cops, and that the cops took fire from somebody and several were hit. For all we know, all the gunfire could have come from cops - that is not terribly unusual, with the trigger-happy circular force continuum in effect.

When cops become public servants and peace officers again, and operate in an open and transparent manner accountable to the public, instead of a de facto occupation force that operates in secrecy, then they will once again deserve the benefit of the doubt. Until then, it's the civilian who deserves the benefit of being considered innocent until proven guilty, as is the American tradition.

[mport1]

You're missing the point, my friend... If the police didn't have weapons, this guy wouldn't have been able to steal one from them. ;)

Good point. Let's disarm the criminals ("police"), and arm everyone else.

[LibForestPaul]

What happened that you are defending the murderer over the police officers? What are the details?

How many drug offenders have pigs corralled? How many open carry citizens have they harrassed? How much "probably cause" have they made up?
How many have died in custody?
Fuck the police. Do not care what happens to them.

[thoughtomator]

Who wants to bet that the suspect remains unidentified because he's another cop?


For the record...

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/20121229_Man_slain__3_officers_hurt_in_shootout_in _N_J__police_station.html


A New Jersey state employee arrested in a domestic-violence incident Friday disarmed a Gloucester Township police officer and fired at two superior officers before dying in a barrage of bullets in the department's headquarters in Blackwood, authorities said.

Sgts. Kevin Thyne and James Garber returned fire after Eddie Jones 3d, 39, of Willingboro, a civilian communications operator with the Department of Corrections, fired with the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun issued to Officer Ruth Burns, Chief Harry Earle said.

... I was pretty damn close. The word "civilian" may be in the title, but the job is an LEO job - nothing "civilian" about it.

[belian78]

People are beginning to lose it, and it looks like it is accelerating. Lord have mercy.
Maybe the Mayans weren't as incorrect as people think? It definitely does look like a shift of life as we know it has started, worldwide.

[AFPVet]

Well, the Mayans predicted the end of the Age of Pisces and the beginning of the Age of Aquarius... I always thought the Age of Aquarius was supposed to be the new 'Golden Age' and age of enlightenment/resonance? Maybe it was supposed to take the majority of people to 'shift' into the vibration of love... instead we had the opposite effect?