Free Staters Not Welcome in New Hampshire

[green73]

Tom Woods writes:


The great Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.org/) (FSP) involves having pro-freedom individuals and families move to the Granite State in order to create an environment for the realization of "liberty in our lifetime," as the FSP puts it. Democratic State Rep. Cynthia Chase calls them "the single biggest threat the state is facing today." (http://freekeene.com/2012/12/25/free-staters-are-the-single-biggest-threat-the-state-is-facing-today-state-rep-cynthia-chase/)Whatever can be done about these people who favor nonviolence in interpersonal relations?

Her answer: "There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here.... Cheshire County is a welcoming community but not to those whose stated goal is to move in enough ideologues to steal our state, and our way of life."

Let's translate this from Politico into English: "Unfortunately, people have the right to move anywhere they like in this country. There's nothing we can do about that. But if we make New Hampshire a less desirable place to live, with fewer freedoms, maybe people seeking freedom will be less likely to settle here. We have a way of life here, you see. Our way of life consists of sticking a gun in people's ribs and taking their things, in order that those things may be distributed to powerful constituencies from whom we public servants expect to win votes. This is one of our sacred traditions. If you are philosophically opposed to the use of violence in the service of political ends, you are an ideologue. Ideologues are not welcome here. We are welcoming to everyone who delights in having a gun shoved in his ribs."

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http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/12/free-staters-not-welcome-in-new.html

More at
http://www.dailypaul.com/267569/free-state-project-is-winning

[Acala]

"What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here"

My folks used to have a saying for this kind of behavior: "Biting off your nose to spite your face."

[sluggo]

Tom Woods writes:


The great Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.org/) (FSP) involves having pro-freedom individuals and families move to the Granite State in order to create an environment for the realization of "liberty in our lifetime," as the FSP puts it. Democratic State Rep. Cynthia Chase calls them "the single biggest threat the state is facing today."
(http://freekeene.com/2012/12/25/free-staters-are-the-single-biggest-threat-the-state-is-facing-today-state-rep-cynthia-chase/)


This makes me want to move there even more.

[belian78]

Taking away the freedoms that all residents of NH enjoy, to discourage those that like freedom from moving there. Man, I just can't argue with that logic right there. :p This will have about the same effect that Obama seems to have on gun/ammo sales.

[Lucille]

New Hampshire Democrat: 'Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today'
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/27/new-hampshire-democrat-free-staters-are


At the progressive site Blue Hampshire last week, a diarist named The Money Magician warned that the 20,000 signature moment (at which point, in theory, those who signed up for the pledge to move to the Live Free or Die State would make good on their promise) could come as early as 2015. "I wish there was some way to repel these people," the Magician lamented.
[...]

Here in Keene we had a couple show up on Central Square to take part in our weekly Saturday morning peace demonstration. In the course of the conversation they allowed that they were Free Staters considering moving to Keene. The folks on the Square told them in no uncertain terms not to do that because Free Staters are not welcome here. Cheshire County is a welcoming community but not to those whose stated goal is to move in enough ideologues to steal our state, and our way of life.

Charming! Commenter Lucy Edwards, who appears to be a recently failed Democratic candidate for the New Hampshire House of Representatives, replied with even more tolerance:


A friend had a young man from Texas contact her to rent a room she had available. She got in touch with me to ask what to do when he told her he was coming to NH as part of the Free State Project. Here's what she decided to tell him: "I told him that I already rented the room, and that I didn't appreciate him coming here to change our state government, it was an insult to me. That if he wanted to make change to start self examining his own life in a mindful way and stay in Texas to make the changes he wants not come here. And not contact me again."

In what nefarious ways are the Free Staters changing New Hampshire? Getting marijuana growers out of jail by using the rare tactic of jury nullification, among other things.

more at the link

[youngbuck]

I'm quite positive it's the other way around - the likes of Cynthia Chase are the biggest threat to the state, and to any state.

[cheapseats]

Are Free Staters concentrated in one county, or scattered around the State?

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

If you replace Free staters with any minority group and any group of people in general this would be front page news. The nerve of this woman.

[Keith and stuff]

I'm quite positive it's the other way around - the likes of Cynthia Chase are the biggest threat to the state, and to any state.

She moved here from RI and broke an election law to help her get elected. She was in something like an 8 way primary for 7 spots. She handed out flyers at the polling location which didn't mention who paid for them. Half way through the day, a liberty candidate found out and called the state government. She was forced to stop breaking the law but never got in trouble.

[specsaregood]

This makes me want to move there even more.
If the opportunity to move again ever arises the FSP is the only reason NH is on my list of considerations.

[cheapseats]

If you replace Free staters with any minority group and any group of people in general this would be front page news.

For all the good it does them or us or Liberty or Justice, PALESTINIANS agree with you.



The nerve of this woman.

Jeepers, how d'ya reckon the Gutless & Gunless became so BOLD?

[evilfunnystuff]

[QUOTE]Her answer: "There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here....*[/QUOTE[QUOTE]

Careful your agenda is showing.

[Keith and stuff]

Are Free Staters concentrated in one county, or scattered around the State?

Scattered across mostly southern NH, just like the population of NH. The largest per capita concentration is in Grafton. No surprise that it might be the freest town in the industrialized world. The largest in numbers is Manchester. That is no surprise as it is the largest city. Free staters have won 6 elections for state rep. in Manchester (4 Democratic and 2 Republican). Currently, 2 Democratic reps and 1 Republican rep. live in Manchester. The entire Keene area only has 50 or so free staters but it is the liberty media capital of the world.

[cheapseats]

Scattered across mostly southern NH, just like the population of NH. The largest per capita concentration is in Grafton. No surprise that it might be the freest town in the industrialized world. The largest in numbers is Manchester. That is no surprise as it is the largest city. Free staters have won 6 elections for state rep. in Manchester (4 Democratic and 2 Republican). Currently, 2 Democratic reps and 1 Republican rep. live in Manchester. The entire Keene area only has 50 or so free staters but it is the liberty media capital of the world.

Free Staters, YOU in particular, are free and easy about telling OTHERS to uproot.

I strongly recommend retrenching to takeover/control/command/own one county, WITHOUT USING ANY OF THOSE ICKY WORDS.

With an eye on EXPANSION, are two of your best-bet counties contiguous?

[Lucille]

Is the Free West Alliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_West_Alliance) defunct?

[KingNothing]

So, whether people hate you for your freedom or love you for your freedom, you must destroy your freedom.

[Keith and stuff]

Free Staters, YOU in particular, are free and easy about telling OTHERS to uproot.

I strongly recommend retrenching to takeover/control/command/own one county, WITHOUT USING ANY OF THOSE ICKY WORDS.

I agree in not using any of those words but take it further in not wanting to do that. We learned that lesson before Ron Paul ran for the GOP nomination in 2008 and I keep sharing it with people. We will never be a majority or even large minority in any county and there is no need to be. We have already proven that a tiny minority can help increase freedom. Anyway, counties in New England have very little power compared to counties in the West and South. VT partly privatized sheriffs. MA got rid of several counties. Some Republicans are looking into ending counties in NH to save money. Counties are a drain on freedom (with their rules and taxes).

Towns are where it is at. Towns don't have a mayor or leader. The people of the town vote on the budget line by line. However, depending on the town, the people usually vote the way the volunteer selectmen or budget committee members suggest. Or you could just pass a town spending cap and a town tax cap. The key is to get liberty people to run for state rep., selectmen and budget committee. State reps. vote on the of county budget by themselves. For example, in 2 of the 3 largest counties last year, state reps voted to not increase spending, and free staters only made up less than 10% of the reps in those counties.

With 20,000 activist and a few years, NH could be twice as free as any other state.

[Keith and stuff]

Is the Free West Alliance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_West_Alliance) defunct?

It has been defunct for years. None of the offshoots from the FSP are still around except FSW but no one involved in that is political. I think some people were but they either gave up on politics (like Michael Dean) or left the state. Well, that isn't entirely true, Michael did show up at his county caucus to support Ron Paul so he did 1 thing political recently.

However, there is another project in ID. The website just went down due to lack of funds but the blog is still around. People want to build a castle in ID with 2 walls around it and gunners stationed on wall towers. The idea is to protect themselves in case Resident Evil, Walking Dead or Revolution become real. If you have some money, I think they are looking for a hundred million or so. http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2012/10/?m=1

[Tpoints]

did she say which measures she will pass or what specific freedoms she'll take away to make them unwelcome?

[tony m]

I agree in not using any of those words but take it further in not wanting to do that. We learned that lesson before Ron Paul ran for the GOP nomination in 2008 and I keep sharing it with people. We will never be a majority or even large minority in any county and there is no need to be. We have already proven that a tiny minority can help increase freedom. Anyway, counties in New England have very little power compared to counties in the West and South. VT partly privatized sheriffs. MA got rid of several counties. Some Republicans are looking into ending counties in NH to save money. Counties are a drain on freedom (with their rules and taxes).

Towns are where it is at. Towns don't have a mayor or leader. The people of the town vote on the budget line by line. However, depending on the town, the people usually vote the way the volunteer selectmen or budget committee members suggest. Or you could just pass a town spending cap and a town tax cap. The key is to get liberty people to run for state rep., selectmen and budget committee. State reps. vote on the of county budget by themselves. For example, in 2 of the 3 largest counties last year, state reps voted to not increase spending, and free staters only made up less than 10% of the reps in those counties.

With 20,000 activist and a few years, NH could be twice as free as any other state.

Informative post. Good job on this.

[Lucille]

It has been defunct for years. However, there is another project in ID. The website just went down due to lack of funds but the blog is still around. People want to build a castle in ID with 2 walls around it and gunners stationed on wall towers. The idea is to protect themselves in case Resident Evil, Walking Dead or Revolution become real. If you have some money, I think they are looking for a hundred million or so. http://iiicitadel.blogspot.com/2012/10/?m=1

I'm sorry to hear that. That has real potential too, considering those 3 states could band together and secede far more easily than one alone.

The Citadel sounds pretty awesome!

[cheapseats]

...We will never be a majority or even large minority in any county...

Then you will always be ON GUARD. You will always be AT RISK. You will always be OUTNUMBERED. Have fun protecting the castle!

There's a lotta conceptual real estate between constant vigilance against bad possibilities, and continuous bracing against imminent threats.



...and there is no need to be...

There is no need for mass-marketing Stepford homogeneity, but you sound kinda like you WANT to be a Tiny Few.



Anyway, counties in New England have very little power compared to counties in the West and South. VT partly privatized sheriffs. MA got rid of several counties. Some Republicans are looking into ending counties in NH to save money. Counties are a drain on freedom (with their rules and taxes).

Towns are where it is at. Towns don't have a mayor or leader. The people of the town vote on the budget line by line. However, depending on the town, the people usually vote the way the volunteer selectmen or budget committee members suggest. Or you could just pass a town spending cap and a town tax cap. The key is to get liberty people to run for state rep., selectmen and budget committee. State reps. vote on the of county budget by themselves. For example, in 2 of the 3 largest counties last year, state reps voted to not increase spending, and free staters only made up less than 10% of the reps in those counties.

Stay the course?

The OFFICE SEEKING route of political activism in New Hampshire IS or is NOT defined and constrained by the notorious Process within which people like RAND endeavor to "play the game"?



We have already proven that a tiny minority can help increase freedom.

Sooo, do you suggest that the necessary evil of "minarchist" government should be dispatched by a Tiny Few, or do you suggest that the Tiny Few shall steward New Hampshire into seceded Anarchy?




With 20,000 activist and a few years, NH could be twice as free as any other state.

Been hearing that since I joined Liberty Forest.

[dannno]

This bullshit, coming from a carpetbagger?? Who the hell is paying this woman to try and defeat the FSP?

[NH4RonPaul]

Check this out..

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=318432448262165&set=o.2204983906&type=1&theater

[Tpoints]

Check this out..

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=318432448262165&set=o.2204983906&type=1&theater

that's a woman?

[NH4RonPaul]

We have a lot of carpet baggers like this who come from high tax states like NY, Conn, RI, and then get elected and try to raise taxes. Some of them are retired lawyers... the new governor is one of those types. So they have a bloody nerve to complain that some come here to lower taxes and reduce government.

http://www.cabinet.com/bedfordjournal/bedfordnews/403405-308/legislators-tax-summit-is-an-out-of-state-charade.html

[HOLLYWOOD]

.Democratic State Rep. Cynthia Chase calls them "the single biggest threat the state is facing today. (http://freekeene.com/2012/12/25/free-staters-are-the-single-biggest-threat-the-state-is-facing-today-state-rep-cynthia-chase/)

Sounds like FSP is the single biggest threat to Democrat State Rep Cynthia Chase quest for a permanent job and advancement in politics.

Keeping stolen taxpayer money away from Cynthia Chase, then she can't buy votes in her quest to being that "Limousine Liberal" for life.

BTW, her background check/record:

http://votesmart.org/candidate/122335/cynthia-chase (http://votesmart.org/candidate/122335/cynthia-chase)

http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/122335/cynthia-chase

[Anti Federalist]

Fat fucking carpet bagging dyke, fuck you, I've been here for years before your homely ass showed up.

You have no idea what you are starting.

I'll say again, to you or anybody else, enough talk, you want 'em, whatever freedom it might be, come and take 'em.

Open fire or shut your fucking pie hole.

That said, brilliant plan, worked at the federal level like a charm.

"They hate us and attacked us on 9/11 because of our freedoms."

"Hey, let's take away freedom to stop that."

[Tpoints]

Fat fucking carpet bagging dyke, fuck you, I've been here for years before your homely ass showed up.

You have no idea what you are starting.

I'll say again, to you or anybody else, enough talk, you want 'em, whatever freedom it might be, come and take 'em.

Open fire or shut your fucking pie hole.

That said, brilliant plan, worked at the federal level like a charm.

"They hate us and attacked us on 9/11 because of our freedoms."

"Hey, let's take away freedom to stop that."

+rep for angry homophobic rant

[Anti Federalist]

So, the new government in Concord has declared war huh?

I suspect that this broad may end being right, the next two years will probably spell the end for NH being any different than any other northeastern socialist state.

[Tpoints]

So, the new government in Concord has declared war huh?

I suspect that this broad may end being right, the next two years will probably spell the end for Nh being any different than any other northeastern socialist state.

she's just saying what every politician thinks, but doesn't care enough to say.

[Anti Federalist]

+rep for angry homophobic rant

I have a right to be "homophobic" in this case, this ugly dyke has just declared war on my liberty.

Goddamn right I'm "scared" and angry at that.

[Keith and stuff]

Sounds like FSP is the single biggest threat to Democrat State Rep Cynthia Chase quest for a permanent job and advancement in politics.

Keeping stolen taxpayer money away from Cynthia Chase, then she can't buy votes in her quest to being that "Limousine Liberal" for life.

She is already retired and collecting government checks. I think she just really hates freedom with a passion. She is willing to spend hours a day for no money promoting socialism and communism. Kinda like how some of do that, but with the goal to make the world a better place.

[Anti Federalist]

Check this out..

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=318432448262165&set=o.2204983906&type=1&theater

"Politics is show business for ugly people" - Gerald Celente

[TheTexan]

I strongly recommend retrenching to takeover/control/command/own one county

I agree. A small town with a liberty majority could accomplish a great deal I think. People will often say that all the laws are at the county and state and federal level etc... but nullification is a powerful thing.

I also think such a town would also encourage much faster growth than what the FSP is seeing now.


WITHOUT USING ANY OF THOSE ICKY WORDS.

Shrug. Why not? It is what it is. No reason to be coy about it. Let's take over a town.

The Free State Project, as Keith describes it, as an activist minority, unfortunately will not achieve freedom by itself. An activist minority can only accomplish so much. They will get a few small victories, but if they ever get close to achieving significant freedom, the larger majority of people who hate freedom will push back on it and counter these efforts with a greater force.

I believe a Free Town Project, inside the scope of the Free State Project, would complement and contribute to the FSP in many ways. If such a project is already underway, Keith, please let me know..

[HOLLYWOOD]

She is already retired and collecting government checks. So is she going to be double dipping government retirement check and a paycheck currently from NH house?

I like this site for info:

http://www.livefreeordiealliance.org/ElectionCentral/tabid/1290/Default.aspx

[Tod]

Is there a way I can become eligible to vote there while still living in Ohio?

[cheapseats]

...takeover/control/command/own one county, WITHOUT USING ANY OF THOSE ICKY WORDS.




Shrug. Why not? It is what it is. No reason to be coy about it.

Why did RAND endorse ROMNEY?

You are an Anarchist, are you not?

In the GAME of electoral politics, which is much confounded by how much citizens DON'T think, PERCEPTION matters even more than usual.



Let's take over a town.

Purposefully, determinedly, energetically, become a Majority...IF electoral politics are part of the plan. Electoral politics are NOT part of the plan of every Intentional Community.

[Keith and stuff]

Grafton is perhaps the freest town in the developed world. It also has the highest concentration of fspers. That isn't a coincidence. There is no target or plan to takeover or anything like that. There are around 50 fspers there. With 50 more liberty voters, the liberty voters could win most elections there ( they win maybe a third of the elections now). With 100 more, they could win all of the elections and largely reduce the size and scoop of the government. They have a website or 2 and hold a couple annual events. If you want real freedom now, move to Grafton.

I don't think understand how NH works. There are 400 reps who control a great deal of the government. The senate can stop them from doing something bad or good but the house is the most important body in NH. So we just need 500 liberty people to run every year for the swing districts (250 for the GOP nominations and 250 for the Dems) and another 150 to run in the no swing districts. That is 650 needed to run for state rep every year. That would likely mean that 2/3s or so would be pro- liberty.

On the town level 2-4 people to run for the most important committees each year in the towns that aren't lost causes. That's it. If liberty people want tremendous power in a town, they just need to team up with the others locals in a town and form a liberty voting majority on town budget day. For example, a town with 2000 people might have 150 anti- liberty voters and 100 liberty voters show up on town voting days. So the town needs 51 new liberty voters. Of course, if the liberty voters try to create too much liberty at 1 time, it might bring out another dozen anti- liberty voters. So maybe the town could really use 75 new liberty voters for a total of 287 voters out of a population of 2000. Encouraging 1000 liberty lovers to move to a single low population town would be insane and it isn't even practical.

The FTP used to exist and Grafton was the selected town. It was disbanded after people realized how much the idea upset the locals.
Never tell someone you have a plan to taken them over, especially a hill hick with several rifles.

Of course, the FSP move hasn't even been triggered. The idea is to get 20,000 signers, then ask people to move. That way, people will know they will not be doing it alone. A bad analogy would be how some people are more likely to exercise if they exercise for a goal Like to run a half marathon, participate in an aerobics class or lift weights if they have a partner. Once the 20,000 is reached, people are asked to move to NH within 5 years. I assume another 100+ liberty voters will move to Grafton.

[AGRP]

Will her comments be picked up by the major NH newspapers? National newspapers? Doubt it. Just imagine if she singled out another minority group. "_________ are unwelcome here! We need to create laws that make them unwelcome or leave!"

[Keith and stuff]

So is she going to be double dipping government retirement check and a paycheck currently from NH house?

I like this site for info:

http://www.livefreeordiealliance.org/ElectionCentral/tabid/1290/Default.aspx

Most elected officials don't get paid in NH. The house does pay but only $100 per year plus gas.

[cheapseats]

"Ballotpedia" sez Cynthia Chase raised THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS in donations in 2010, and ran UNOPPOSED in the "D" primary in 2012.

[TheTexan]

So maybe the town could really use 75 new liberty voters for a total of 287 voters out of a population of 1500. Encouraging 1000 liberty lovers to move to a single low population town would be insane and it isn't even practical.

Good points, but one thing that you're missing is that liberty comes from more than just winning the game of politics.. it comes from your neighbors. For example, I live in an apartment (mistake #1, I know), and last weekend I had the music pretty loud. I am never loud. I've never caused any problems.

What do my neighbors do? Do they knock on my door and ask me to keep it down? No. They call the cops.

My statist fucking neighbors didn't even have the common courtesy to knock on my door and talk to me before calling the authorities. These are the kinds of people we're dealing with. No amount of politics can solve this problem... as long as you have statist neighbors, you will have statist problems.

I notice Grafton is about an hour away from Manchester... does Manchester have IT jobs?

[cheapseats]

Most elected officials don't get paid in NH. The house does pay but only $100 per year plus gas.

Unless the scope of the positions is whittled to conspicuously PART-TIME, not paying elected officials fosters "representation"/rule by the Wealthy.

[acptulsa]

Unless the scope of the positions is whittled to conspicuously PART-TIME, not paying elected officials fosters "representation"/rule by the Wealthy.

Oligarchy or cronyism--or an ugly combination of both.

Of course, so do elections, particularly in this age of television...


'A fool and his money are soon elected.'--Will Rogers

[Keith and stuff]

Good points, but one thing that you're missing is that liberty comes from more than just winning the game of politics.. it comes from your neighbors. For example, I live in an apartment (mistake #1, I know), and last weekend I had the music pretty loud. I am never loud. I've never caused any problems.

What do my neighbors do? Do they knock on my door and ask me to keep it down? No. They call the cops.

My statist fucking neighbors didn't even have the common courtesy to knock on my door and talk to me before calling the authorities. These are the kinds of people we're dealing with. No amount of politics can solve this problem... as long as you have statist neighbors, you will have statist problems.

I notice Grafton is about an hour away from Manchester... does Manchester have IT jobs?

Grafton is closer to 2 hours from Manchester. Manchester has some IT jobs but the greater Boston MSA which Nashua is part of, is likely the 2nd largest tech area in the US. If you are looking to live in Grafton and do tech work, consider telecommuting (it has satilite and dsl) or getting a job where you only have to go to an office in Nashua a couple times a week. Or, look for IT jobs in the Hanover/ Lebanon area or in Concord. All 3 places are around an hour from Grafton.

As for neighbors in Grafton, it is a hilly, forested area. It is 1 of the larger towns in NH in size but has 1 of the lowest populations of the towns in NH. You might have 1 or 2 neighbors. just talk tonthem before you buy. You should consider attending Porcfest. A group from Grafton camp together, give talks about Grafton and promote their week long camping event, which is free and starts when Porcfest ends. Some always come own for Liberty Forum in Nashua, also. Don't take my ord for it, see for yourself.

[Keith and stuff]

Unless the scope of the positions is whittled to conspicuously PART-TIME, not paying elected officials fosters "representation"/rule by the Wealthy.

This debate has happened over and over again on this forum. I guess we just disagree. I think politicians should lose money by being elected. That is how it works for almost all elected officials in NH ( there are 1000s). Since the population is so low and there are maybe 4000 elected people at any 1 time, anyone can get elected in NH. Almost everyone involved in politics runs for office a couple times in NH. It is expected of you by your political friends. I've run for office a couple times and I got elected.

As for the NH House, turnover is about 1/3 each election. Even in the NH Senate, I think turnover was about 50% this year. It usually isn't that high, though. Needless to say, NH has the highest turnover in the US. That is great news for us! As for Cynthia, she lives in a solid Democratic district. She isn't that popular but it is tradition for Democrats to not have primaries for NH legislative races. If there is a Democratic primary, it likely means a liberty candidate is also running in the race. You see, neither party is even able to field a candidate for every race. Most people don't want to spent money to volunteer for 20 hours a week. That means that we need to help the parties out by putting up candidates for them :) The republicans actively recruit free states to run because otherwise, they would have to let the Democrats go unchallenged in a lot of Democratic and swing districts.

[muzzled dogg]

Grafton is one hour from manch

[cheapseats]

Originally Posted by Keith and stuff
So maybe the town could really use 75 new liberty voters for a total of 287 voters out of a population of 1500. Encouraging 1000 liberty lovers to move to a single low population town would be insane and it isn't even practical.

Insane and impractical for 1000 people to move to a town of 1500 because...WHY? Not enough housing, for one. They'll have to relax restrictions/permitting, no? I mean, people ARE free to move there, yes? Officials can't very well ROUND THEM UP & DEPORT THEM, can they? Something would HAVE to give. Something would HAPPEN.

Think, BOOM TOWN.

I'd feel better about living in a town of 2500 that is struggling with growing pains but in which more than half of the people think substantially like me, than about living in a state of 1,300,000 sprinkled with 20,000 who think like me.

[Keith and stuff]

Grafton is one hour from manch

Is that to the isolated part of Grafton near the interstate or the main part on Route 4? The Grafton Pond area is an hour from Manchester if you speed. But hey, in that case, it is only 20 minutes from Lebanon :)

For people that disagree with on Grafton, that's fine. I know people that have living the life for years that us on this forum just talk about.
http://burningporcupine.org/
https://www.facebook.com/freegrafton


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng0ZqQl9L8s

[cheapseats]

...I know people that have living the life for years that us on this forum just talk about...

I have encountered people in MANY states who live more freely than people on this Board claim to aspire to live, who spend not one cent nor one minute on electoral politics, and who do not need (or want) an influx of "like-minded" in order to be ABLE to live how they live.

It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE, whether a person/group IS or is NOT playing the electoral politics "game".

[Keith and stuff]

I have encountered people in MANY states who live more freely than people on this Board claim to aspire to live, who spend not one cent nor one minute on electoral politics, and who do not need (or want) an influx of "like-minded" in order to be ABLE to live how they live.

It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE, whether a person/group IS or is NOT playing the electoral politics "game".

One of the issues they have in Grafton is some of the liberty people don't vote. For example, a guy lost because of a tie. There was a coin toss and he lost that. Another recent defeat was by 5 votes. In Grafton there are no building codes.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23165.msg261261#msg261261
"One (literally) additional voter would have changed the outcome of at least one race in Grafton.

Instead, in accordance with the law, the tie was broken by a coin toss, and the winner of the three-way race was a major Statist who, aside from what she'll do while in office, had publicly promised to leave Grafton and go back home if she lost.

So one vote would have made a substantial difference.

Joe"

[Keith and stuff]

Tom Woods writes:...
[/COLOR][/FONT] The above originally appeared in Tom's free monthly email newsletter. You can sign up here. (http://www.tomwoods.com/)


Here is the rest of that piece.

By the way, check out my speaking schedule at the top left of this Letter. I'll be in New Hampshire in February for the New Hampshire Liberty Forum. We should invite Rep. Chase to a debate.

This was also covered on Free Keene a couple of times.

Original blog post with 36 comments-
“Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.” – State Rep Cynthia Chase
December 25, 2012 by Ian
http://freekeene.com/2012/12/25/free-staters-are-the-single-biggest-threat-the-state-is-facing-today-state-rep-cynthia-chase/


District 8 State Representative Cynthia Chase of Keene has made her position clear on liberty-loving activists moving here, and it’s quite the endorsement of the success of the Free State Project. In a post to Blue Hampshire, she reveals that she believes Free Staters are the biggest threat to the state (something to be proud of) and that she and some others on Central Square during the peace vigil attempted to scare away a visiting couple from moving here. (As an aside, what was Ms. Chase doing at the peace vigil? She must be very confused about what peace is. Hint- it doesn’t include using aggressive force on people via “the state”.)

2nd Free Keene blog post -
“You’re not welcome here!” Says the NH State Rep… FROM RHODE ISLAND
December 27, 2012 by Darryl W. Perry
http://freekeene.com/2012/12/27/youre-not-welcome-here-says-the-nh-state-rep-from-rhode-island/


My first reaction was: “holy crap, a State Rep. should not be making these statements publicly.”

I then found out that Cynthia is NOT a NH native, but a transplant herself from Rhode Island and admits to having only “lived in Keene since January 2006.”

I decided to do some research and discovered that many elected Democrats from the area (and at the State level) are not from NH.
Current Governor John Lynch is from Waltham, MA
Governor-elect Maggie Hassan is from Boston
US Senator & former Governor Jeanne Shaheen is originally from Saint Charles, MO and moved to NH from Mississippi
Executive Councilor Colin Van Ostern (district 2) was born in California and moved to NH from DC
Executive Councilor Debora B. Pignatelli (district 5) was born in New Jersey
State Senator Molly Kelly (district 10) was born in Fort Wayne, IN
State Rep. Kris Roberts (Cheshire 4) is from Evanston, WY
State Rep. Larry Robert Philips (Cheshire 5) has “lived in New Hampshire for 32 years” without stating where he moved from
State Rep. Timothy N. Robertson (Cheshire 6) is from Brattleboro, VT, however his family moved to Keene 76 years ago, when little Tim was 4 years old
State Rep. Gladys Johnsen (Cheshire 7) is from San Francisco
State Rep. Chuck Weed (Cheshire 16) is from Evanston, IL
State Rep. Delmar Burridge (Cheshire 16) is originally from Harrisburg, PA

Moral of the story (according Cynthia Chase): transplants to NH are not welcome… unless they intend to bring big government and statism with them!

That means are 7 state reps in Keene are statist who moved to Keene from another state. Did they move here to take over? Did they move to force their big government views on the small government people of NH? In all fairness, around 2/3s of adults in NH aren't originally from NH.

[Keith and stuff]

Feel Free to share this :)
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557262_490450617664856_1190488032_n.jpg

[cheapseats]

One of the issues they have in Grafton is some of the liberty people don't vote.

That is true not only in Grafton. Trouble is, can you BLAME people for not voting? We can argue whether CHICKEN OR EGG comes first until the cows come home, but the bottom line is that there are good reasons aplenty to NOT REGISTER.

If the exposure and involvement of voting truly seems to portend something better than ANOTHER CAMPAIGN/ELECTION, more Liberty Non Voters may be persuaded to register (and be inundated with CRAP) via PMB. I was also told (by California DMV) that a CROSS-STREET qualifies as an address for homeless people.



For example, a guy lost because of a tie. There was a coin toss and he lost that. Another recent defeat was by 5 votes.

COIN TOSS?? Goes with the GAME motif, I guess.

Leaving 20,000 people and the FIVE YEAR PLAN on a back burner, it sounds like a "mass" migration of, oooh, TWENTY people would tilt that town decisively.




So one vote would have made a substantial difference.

So one Liberty COUPLE would tip the scales?




In Grafton there are no building codes.

By California "standards", that's a big deal...huge.

[Pericles]

If the opportunity to move again ever arises the FSP is the only reason NH is on my list of considerations.

Agreed

[acptulsa]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557262_490450617664856_1190488032_n.jpg

I suppose that is one way to keep them out.

Another is to fill the streets with horse manure and taint the water supplies with strichnine, too.

Who voted for this idiot?

[AGRP]

She accomplished something no ad agency for the FSP could have done.

[S.Shorland]

Free Staters vs Free Haters.The usual matchup.

[Keith and stuff]

I suppose that is one way to keep them out.

Another is to fill the streets with horse manure and taint the water supplies with strichnine, too.

Who voted for this idiot?

She ran unopposed in a highly Democratic district.

Edit: My bad.

District No. 8 Keene Ward 5*
Chase, d 1,485 (I think this is her 2nd win in a row, out of 2 tries)
Bendzinski, r 896 (He was elected to the city council several times but the city council is non-partisan is Republicans can actually get elected to that in Keene)
http://sos.nh.gov/2012RepGen.aspx

[Beorn]

I would think they would see the massholes as a greater threat.

[thoughtomator]

as soon as New Hampshire makes it a thousand miles or so closer to the Equator, I'm there!

[AGRP]

She ran unopposed in a highly Democratic district.

Great. Keep the bigot in power. Now you can personalize what tyranny looks like.

[specsaregood]

Most elected officials don't get paid in NH. The house does pay but only $100 per year plus gas.

In NH, are state reps or state senators allowed to hold jobs in the executive branch of govt concurrently with their legislative position?

[Keith and stuff]

In NH, are state reps or state senators allowed to hold jobs in the executive branch of govt concurrently with their legislative position?
No. She could be on the school board and city council, though, I believe. I think they each pay $2000 a year because Keene is a big city (25000 people).

[Keith and stuff]

Will her comments be picked up by the major NH newspapers? National newspapers? Doubt it. Just imagine if she singled out another minority group. "_________ are unwelcome here! We need to create laws that make them unwelcome or leave!"

It is on the front page of the online edition of the Union Leader, the NH statewide paper. It wasn't in the print edition. I'm working on getting it mentioned on other blogs. Right now, it has been mentioned twice on Free Keene, the biggest political blog in NH.

[rhelwig]

Are Free Staters concentrated in one county, or scattered around the State?

We're all over, but there are a few concentration spots. Manchester, as the biggest city has a bunch. Keene and Nashua are a couple other spots with a lot. Grafton has way more than its fair share :-) and is a great place to move to if you're the self-reliant type that mostly just wants to be left alone.

Since I moved here I've lived in Newport, Hampton Beach, Deerfield, Henniker, Manchester, Grafton, Seabrook, and Weare - all great places with their own charms and advantages. I've also participated in all kinds of activism - it took me a few years to figure out which ones I was most interested in.

[Dreepa]

I encourage everyone to visit NH (Tom Woods will be speaking)
Feb 21-24, 2013 in Nashua, NH at the Liberty Forum.
Great place to meet natives, movers and future movers all while hearing speakers and panels about what it is like to live in NH.

www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum.

[muzzled dogg]

I encourage everyone to visit NH (Tom Woods will be speaking)
Feb 21-24, 2013 in Nashua, NH at the Liberty Forum.
Great place to meet natives, movers and future movers all while hearing speakers and panels about what it is like to live in NH.

www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum.

find me there and i'll buy you a drink

[Seraphim]

Is this lady retarded? I don't mean that in a mean way - I'm actually wondering if she has been diagnosed with a sub 75 IQ.

"What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here"

SERIOUSLY????

[thoughtomator]

Seriously, guys - if you want to try South Carolina, I'm totally in. Greenville area would be the perfect location to set up shop.

[crossonscout]

Tom Woods is a smart man. I was actually BORN in N.H. and I'm a free stater... Maybe I should tell people like this lady to get out of my homeland! ;-)

[Keith and stuff]

Tom Woods is a smart man. I was actually BORN in N.H. and I'm a free stater... Maybe I should tell people like this lady to get out of my homeland! ;-)
Tell her you are going to change the laws to make NH inhospitable to her statist way of life. So that she will want to move back to RI.

Btw, are you coming to Liberty Forum? Make sure to find Shem so he gets you that drink. He drinks the good stuff so have him get you what he is having :D

[NoOneButPaul]

I do worry that the FSP people come on waaay to hard and it turns a lot of people in NH off to the movement entirely.

[crossonscout]

So, the new government in Concord has declared war huh?

I suspect that this broad may end being right, the next two years will probably spell the end for NH being any different than any other northeastern socialist state.

I doubt it. There's too many freedom lovers in N.H. and people like me are moving to N.H. (my birthplace) to do our best to continue the fight for Liberty in the "Live Free or Die" state.

[crossonscout]

Tell her you are going to change the laws to make NH inhospitable to her statist way of life. So that she will want to move back to RI.

Btw, are you coming to Liberty Forum? Make sure to find Shem so he gets you that drink. He drinks the good stuff so have him get you what he is having :D

LOL :-) Yes, I will be going to Liberty Forum! :-) I've already met Porky Pine when I went to the Hobbit with the wife in Nashua at Chunky's... I've spoken with MaineShark about meeting up at some point during the weekend to buy him a beer. I think it'd be an interesting dialogue with him, he's a very libertarian, very smart guy.

Hopefully I get to meet you too! :-)

[Keith and stuff]

I do worry that the FSP people come on waaay to hard and it turns a lot of people in NH off to the movement entirely.

It is mostly newer anarchists in Keene that do that. Some of them mellow out. Others find that we are too peaceful for their tastes and leave. I might have seen a couple people like that from time to time in Grafton or Manchester but I'd say 1/2 of such people were in Keene. Ms. Chase moved to Keene so she hears about those types of people a lot.

Most free staters are very low key people. She will be sitting with a sweet gray haired free stater lady at the state house next year. Hopefully that will help bring Ms. Chase back to reality.

[Anti Federalist]

I doubt it. There's too many freedom lovers in N.H. and people like me are moving to N.H. (my birthplace) to do our best to continue the fight for Liberty in the "Live Free or Die" state.

Well, welcome back, and if you find yourself in the Carroll county area, PM me and we'll chat face to face.

ETA - That goes for any other RPF member from the area, let me know, I'll buy.

[QuickZ06]

Well, welcome back, and if you find yourself in the Carroll county area, PM me and we'll chat face to face.

ETA - That goes for any other RPF member from the area, let me know, I'll buy.

Good, cause I get real thirsty.

[crossonscout]

Well, welcome back, and if you find yourself in the Carroll county area, PM me and we'll chat face to face.

ETA - That goes for any other RPF member from the area, let me know, I'll buy.

I'll definitely take you up on that! :-) I love to network with any fellow freedom/liberty lovers.

[invisible]

Now for a different perspective:

Sadly, freestaters themselves are the FSP's own worst enemy. Of the dozens and dozens I've met, most of them are truly awful people. Many are very stuck up, cliquish, and think they are better than other people. They constantly deride and make fun of the locals. For as much as they claim they don't want to be told how to live, they are very quick to pass judgement on others, and try to tell them how to live. For all the drama creation, backstabbing, two-faced crap, you'd think you were back in high school. Seriously. There are plenty of ripoff artists, who operate under the guise of "this is the free market at work". I've had MUCH better results doing business with the locals, rather than other freestaters. If you don't kiss up to the "right people", then you're not part of the clique and are out of the loop on anything fun or interesting going on.

If you don't have a lot of money to throw around, then you're SOL again. It's expected that you in one way or another give considerable amounts of your money to other freestaters who moved before you. If you can't afford to do that, then you are obviously doing something wrong. More so than the promotion / celebration of freedom, events seem more designed to get freestaters and potential movers to give their money to those that came before them. If you don't have money to throw around, your opportunities to participate in anything are extremely limited.

I even overheard a conversation once between two people who are "highly placed" in this clique. They were talking about how the FSP should be "more exclusive", and how they (personally, along with a few people they are close to) should be screening people considering moving, and deciding whether or not they are "worthy". One HUGE mistake that was made was the creation of a formal organization. Now people elected to this organization want to be paid for positions that they originally volunteered for. Put the two of these things together, and this is a train wreck waiting to happen.

Not even activism is safe from this. Even various forms of activism are seen as "exclusive", that only the "right people" get to participate in. I've been told more than once that my participation in various activist activities was neither necessary or desired ("we already have enough people", "we already have the people we want involved in the project", etc). I suppose that we must already be completely free, and there are already more than enough activists in the state.

So if you enjoy kissing the asses of "the right people", playing high school drama and popularity games, and are eager to conduct business with those who are equally eager to rip you off, then you'll probably fit right in and have a lot of fun. But if you're not into that, my advice is to just move here, and not even bother with the freestaters who are already here. Just move, and become one of the locals. Don't even bother to tell people you have any association with the FSP. The FSP organization will implode from drama and internal politics, that's just a matter of time. This democrat lady doesn't need any help with her efforts, many of the freestaters are already doing her work for her.

[muzzled dogg]

Now for a different perspective:

Sadly, freestaters themselves are the FSP's own worst enemy. Of the dozens and dozens I've met, most of them are truly awful people. Many are very stuck up, cliquish, and think they are better than other people. They constantly deride and make fun of the locals. For as much as they claim they don't want to be told how to live, they are very quick to pass judgement on others, and try to tell them how to live. For all the drama creation, backstabbing, two-faced crap, you'd think you were back in high school. Seriously. There are plenty of ripoff artists, who operate under the guise of "this is the free market at work". I've had MUCH better results doing business with the locals, rather than other freestaters. If you don't kiss up to the "right people", then you're not part of the clique and are out of the loop on anything fun or interesting going on.

If you don't have a lot of money to throw around, then you're SOL again. It's expected that you in one way or another give considerable amounts of your money to other freestaters who moved before you. If you can't afford to do that, then you are obviously doing something wrong. More so than the promotion / celebration of freedom, events seem more designed to get freestaters and potential movers to give their money to those that came before them. If you don't have money to throw around, your opportunities to participate in anything are extremely limited.

I even overheard a conversation once between two people who are "highly placed" in this clique. They were talking about how the FSP should be "more exclusive", and how they (personally, along with a few people they are close to) should be screening people considering moving, and deciding whether or not they are "worthy". One HUGE mistake that was made was the creation of a formal organization. Now people elected to this organization want to be paid for positions that they originally volunteered for. Put the two of these things together, and this is a train wreck waiting to happen.

Not even activism is safe from this. Even various forms of activism are seen as "exclusive", that only the "right people" get to participate in. I've been told more than once that my participation in various activist activities was neither necessary or desired ("we already have enough people", "we already have the people we want involved in the project", etc). I suppose that we must already be completely free, and there are already more than enough activists in the state.

So if you enjoy kissing the asses of "the right people", playing high school drama and popularity games, and are eager to conduct business with those who are equally eager to rip you off, then you'll probably fit right in and have a lot of fun. But if you're not into that, my advice is to just move here, and not even bother with the freestaters who are already here. Just move, and become one of the locals. Don't even bother to tell people you have any association with the FSP. The FSP organization will implode from drama and internal politics, that's just a matter of time. This democrat lady doesn't need any help with her efforts, many of the freestaters are already doing her work for her.

cool bro i moved up a year ago and have been active promoting and attending every liberty event since then and have no idea what you are talking about.

have we met before? have you ever come out to any liberty events?

[invisible]

cool bro i moved up a year ago and have been active promoting and attending every liberty event since then and have no idea what you are talking about.

have we met before? have you ever come out to any liberty events?

Yes, three times.
Depends on what you call a "liberty event". I don't go to ones you have to pay for. For one, I don't have money for that. For another, I have a lot more fun hanging out with the locals, than I do trying to deal with the above mentioned attitudes.

edit: I live here too (moved about the same time you did), so I DO know what I'm talking about

[cbrons]

Tom Woods writes:


The great Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.org/) (FSP) involves having pro-freedom individuals and families move to the Granite State in order to create an environment for the realization of "liberty in our lifetime," as the FSP puts it. Democratic State Rep. Cynthia Chase calls them "the single biggest threat the state is facing today." (http://freekeene.com/2012/12/25/free-staters-are-the-single-biggest-threat-the-state-is-facing-today-state-rep-cynthia-chase/)Whatever can be done about these people who favor nonviolence in interpersonal relations?

Her answer: "There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here.... Cheshire County is a welcoming community but not to those whose stated goal is to move in enough ideologues to steal our state, and our way of life."

Let's translate this from Politico into English: "Unfortunately, people have the right to move anywhere they like in this country. There's nothing we can do about that. But if we make New Hampshire a less desirable place to live, with fewer freedoms, maybe people seeking freedom will be less likely to settle here. We have a way of life here, you see. Our way of life consists of sticking a gun in people's ribs and taking their things, in order that those things may be distributed to powerful constituencies from whom we public servants expect to win votes. This is one of our sacred traditions. If you are philosophically opposed to the use of violence in the service of political ends, you are an ideologue. Ideologues are not welcome here. We are welcoming to everyone who delights in having a gun shoved in his ribs."

The above originally appeared in Tom's free monthly email newsletter. You can sign up here. (http://www.tomwoods.com/)


http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/12/free-staters-not-welcome-in-new.html

More at
http://www.dailypaul.com/267569/free-state-project-is-winning

I don't want to annoy good people at the FSP but why in the world New Hampshire or anywhere on the East Coast for that matter? That entire region is a denizen of drone-ery, stupidity, and left-wing fascism. Because leftists will destroy one state and move to another (ask Oregon which was destroyed by Cali leftists), you just know that most of them migrated away from other surrounding states like termites in search of their next bark feast.

[Keith and stuff]

cool bro i moved up a year ago and have been active promoting and attending every liberty event since then and have no idea what you are talking about.

have we met before? have you ever come out to any liberty events?

I also have no idea what he is talking about. I do admit that some of us know substantially more about effective NH politics than almost all of the nonFSPers. That is how we have been so successful in such a short period of time. For every 10 FSPers in NH, we have won 1 election. So maybe I come off as click like when there is a group of people in a room and I stay in one area talking about state politics. Otherwise, I am confused by his post.

Invisible, if you PM me, I'll be glad to talk to you on the phone. Feel free to call me from a fake number and not use your real name if you want.

[itshappening]

I don't want to annoy good people at the FSP but why in the world New Hampshire or anywhere on the East Coast for that matter? That entire region is a denizen of drone-ery, stupidity, and left-wing fascism. Because leftists will destroy one state and move to another (ask Oregon which was destroyed by Cali leftists), you just know that most of them migrated away from other surrounding states like termites in search of their next bark feast.

Indeed, they should have gone to Wyoming. NH is a Democrat stronghold.

[mac_hine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxsuYsyBzAo

[AGRP]

Indeed, they should have gone to Wyoming. NH is a Democrat stronghold.

Theres nothing wrong with having multiple states. I wouldnt object to having 4 to cover the north, south, east, and west.

[Keith and stuff]

Will her comments be picked up by the major NH newspapers? National newspapers? Doubt it. Just imagine if she singled out another minority group. "_________ are unwelcome here! We need to create laws that make them unwelcome or leave!"

Also, this blog covered it http://nalert.blogspot.com/2012/12/free-staters-are-single-biggest-threat.html and the main conservative blog in NH covered it today.

The Free State Project gonna get your momma!
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/12/the-free-state-project-gonna-get-your-momma

There have been around 700 known shares of this photo on Facebook :)
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557262_490450617664856_1190488032_n.jpg

[itshappening]

Why didn't they go to Wy and take over the GOP there. Wy. is a GOP stronghold. No matter what you do in NH you cannot get them to vote for a hardcore conservative that will actually do anything. The senators and reps are all lousy.

You can take over the statehouse for a few years, big deal. Sending a liberty senator to DC in a GOP stronghold is much more worthwhile to the movement i.e see Rand Paul in Kentucky and Thomas Massie.

Sending a pair of determined Wyoming liberty senators to Washington DC would have a massive impact on national politics and it's totally disproportionate because of Wyoming's size. There is no hope in hell that N.H will send two decent GOP senators for example Ayotte already hangs around with McCain and is basically a waste of time.

[Keith and stuff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxsuYsyBzAo

Thanks for posting. It was great to see the Judge share the video on his Facebook page. He is a nice man and has spoken at the Liberty Forum in the past. Like how Tom Woods is speaking this year. If you haven't liked the Judge on Facebook yet, there is still time. https://www.facebook.com/JudgeNapolitano

This video has already been shared 400 times on Facebook. Combine that withe the articles, blog posts and picture... The story will likely be shared over 1500 times on Facebook. Thank you Ms. Chase for the free promotion of the FSP.

Edit: I take that back. It is over 2000 shares on Facebook and still growing.

[itshappening]

The best thing FREE staters can possibly do is help Rand Paul win the state in 2016 and help get behind liberty presidential candidates in the future since NH is the first primary in the nation and has a disproportionate impact on the process. That's the only benefit I can see and even then they dont have much clout i.e McCain and Romney won big but hopefully their clout will increase.

[mport1]

Excellent endorsement of the Free State Project! That statist wouldn't be saying anything if the FSP wasn't a threat to their big government ways.

And that is the success with just 5% of movers! Imagine what would happen if 20 times as many liberty lovers moved. Their success would be more than 20 fold what it is now.

[itshappening]

Excellent endorsement of the Free State Project! That statist wouldn't be saying anything if the FSP wasn't a threat to their big government ways.

And that is the success with just 5% of movers! Imagine what would happen if 20 times as many liberty lovers moved. Their success would be more than 20 fold what it is now.

The people from MA and other areas in the North east totally cancel out anything FSP can bring in. NH is NOT liberty friendly, look at the senators and reps. it's a lost cause. The only benefit is NH's disproportionate impact on the presidential nominating process but even then they picked two big fat losers in the GOP primary: McCain and Romney. Establishment/centrist GOP is strong there. They like their GOP people to be 'moderate' i.e big spenders.

[mport1]

The people from MA and other areas in the North east totally cancel out anything FSP can bring in. NH is NOT liberty friendly, look at the senators and reps. it's a lost cause. The only benefit is NH's disproportionate impact on the presidential nominating process but even then they picked two big fat losers in the GOP primary: McCain and Romney. Establishment/centrist GOP is strong there. They like their GOP people to be 'moderate' i.e big spenders.

Almost none of those statists are activists though. Libertarians will always be outnumbered everywhere. The point is to get a small number of very active libertarians concentrated in one area. From what I've seen NH, is one of the best states for doing this.

[itshappening]

Activists don't matter as much when it gets to the general election. It's better to take over a GOP stronghold. Look at Lamontage, he managed to win the nomination with the support of good conservatives to get the GOP gubernatorial nomination but he cannot win the general election because they vote for statist pigs.

Best to take over a reliable GOP state like Wyoming. See Rand Paul in Kentucky or Thomas Massie. In Massie's district you could put a dog on the ballot in a GOP rosette and it will win so winning the GOP primary which is much easier to do for a constitutional conservative is tantamount to winning the election and hence a win for the movement at a very small cost.

Getting Mike Lee nominated at the Utah convention is basically getting a US Senator for a few hundred thousand dollars. These are huge wins at small costs. Running a hardcore real conservative in NH is not going to ever work because of the leftist MA/Democrat and North east mentality that is prevalent there. Also the Metro area media market is too expensive because I think it includes Boston. It's just not good value and the only hope is their influence is felt in presidential primaries but even then I suspect they will get drowned out by the kinds of statists who see McCain and Romney as good picks.

[Keith and stuff]

Indeed, they should have gone to Wyoming. NH is a Democrat stronghold.

NH is certainly not a Democratic stronghold. That is a ignorant statement. In 2010, 3/4 of the state house and senate candidates elected were Republican. NH is a traditionally fiscially conservative and socially liberal state. It had leaned GOP for over 100 years but since 2000 has been a swing state. When it has selected as the FSP state, we knew it was a swing state.

As for WY. Some people were annoyed the NH won the vote so they copied the FSP idea in WY. There is maybe 1 politically active mover in WY because of that and by politically active, I mean he voted for Ron Paul at his county convention. That is it. Clearly, all of the evidence shows that WY would have been a bad choice.

As for why NH won the vote... NH was selected because the people of NH worked harder to recruit us, the governor of NH joined the project, NH was the freest state, had the 2nd best job prospects, the 3rd best weather and the easiest system of government to get involved with of the 10 states looked at, among other reasons. There was a vote and NH won.

[itshappening]

State houses don't matter Keith. NH swings around too much. They took it over but lost it again 2 years later, if they held it for a decade i'd be impressed but they didn't and it's not a GOP stronghold like Wyoming. They should have gone there and taken over the GOP because people who live there and who dont pay attention to politics vote reliably GOP. people who vote in NH will vote reliable Democrats or big government conservatives and that's evident with them rejecting Lamontage, Ayotte as senator, McCain and Romney in the presidential primary, the list goes on and on.

[Adrock]

NH has a PVI of D+2. While it did vote statewide for Obama, they also passed some pretty liberty friendly state initiatives too. It is hardly a Liberal Democrat Stronghold. It's combination of fiscal conservatism and liberal social leanings would make it one of the best incubator environments for growing liberty in my opinion. I think it is ultimately about concentrating liberty folks in one place in order to effect the rest of the population in the city and state as a whole toward liberty.

[itshappening]

Keith, i'll give you an example. We want to build careers and have lasting effects. Massie for example is in a reliable GOP district. What's the point in working hard and donating money to a Massie equivalent in NH if he just gets in for 2 years and then tossed out when the State 'swings'? it would be an utter waste of time and resources. Also the media market is expensive there because it includes the Boston metro area so millions are needed for federal races. Thats why I advocate taking over GOP strongholds...

NH has a role to play in presidential primary politics only and i hope FSP can help there but i'm not encouraged by them picking the likes of McCain and Romneya and fear you will get drowned out on polling day by the voters who only pay slight attention selecting another statist loser.

[Adrock]

While constitutional conservatives may run well in red states, libertarian leaning folks run well in purple states. See Gary Johnson's tenure in NM. NH is an excellent environment for these types of candidates, especially with an extra 20k activists looking to maximize liberty in the state. I wish Schiff would move to NH and run for office.

[mport1]

Theres nothing wrong with having multiple states. I wouldnt object to having 4 to cover the north, south, east, and west.

There is a lot wrong with 4 states. The major problem of the liberty movement is that we are a very small fraction of the population. The whole idea is that we need to concentrate our activism. Cutting it into fourths isn't going to help.

[Keith and stuff]

There is a lot wrong with 4 states. The major problem of the liberty movement is that we are a very small fraction of the population. The whole idea is that we need to concentrate our activism. Cutting it into fourths isn't going to help.

There are multi states right now. The WY project has produced 1 active political mover in WY right now. He voted for Ron Paul. 1 person voted for 1 person. It has been going since 2004. The WY/MT/ID projected lasted several years with maybe a handful of movers but ended in failure. The Ft. Collins project which started and ended before the FSP started before the FSP produced 0 movers, I believe. There was also Paulville, which failed. Those are the only US liberty moving projects I know about. Out of the 5 projects, I would guess 95%+ of the movers selected NH, 99%+ of the political activists selected NH and 100% of the success related to movers happened in NH. So we have tried 5 projects. These are the results so far.

To make a project like this work, it takes 1000s of hours of volunteer effort. Only people interested in the FSP have shown they are willing to do that. Only people interested in the FSP are putting in the volunteer work. Consequently, all of the positive results are happening in NH.

[Keith and stuff]

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[angelatc]

The people from MA and other areas in the North east totally cancel out anything FSP can bring in. NH is NOT liberty friendly, look at the senators and reps. it's a lost cause. The only benefit is NH's disproportionate impact on the presidential nominating process but even then they picked two big fat losers in the GOP primary: McCain and Romney. Establishment/centrist GOP is strong there. They like their GOP people to be 'moderate' i.e big spenders.

With all due respect, they hashed this out years ago. Wyomig was on the short list, as were a couple of other states. They looked at all their options and decided that NH was the best all around choice.

In other words, that ship has sailed. Let it go.

[crossonscout]

State houses don't matter Keith. NH swings around too much. They took it over but lost it again 2 years later, if they held it for a decade i'd be impressed but they didn't and it's not a GOP stronghold like Wyoming. They should have gone there and taken over the GOP because people who live there and who dont pay attention to politics vote reliably GOP. people who vote in NH will vote reliable Democrats or big government conservatives and that's evident with them rejecting Lamontage, Ayotte as senator, McCain and Romney in the presidential primary, the list goes on and on.

So, GOP = Liberty?

Hah.

[crossonscout]

NH has a PVI of D+2. While it did vote statewide for Obama, they also passed some pretty liberty friendly state initiatives too. It is hardly a Liberal Democrat Stronghold. It's combination of fiscal conservatism and liberal social leanings would make it one of the best incubator environments for growing liberty in my opinion. I think it is ultimately about concentrating liberty folks in one place in order to effect the rest of the population in the city and state as a whole toward liberty.

Exactly. That's why the FSP makes sense. :-P

[Keith and stuff]

This went viral online. It was on Rush's radio show today and in the Union Leader again. Free Keene has done 6 or 7 blog posts on it and the main conservative blog in NH just covered it a 3rd time.

Here is part of the Union Leder article.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130104/NEWS0602/121229960
John DiStaso's Granite Status: State Rep's anti-Free Stater post draws local, national criticism
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By JOHN DiSTASO
Senior Political Reporter


FRIDAY, JAN. 4: GOING VIRAL. A Democratic state lawmaker's recent web post critical of the libertarian-leaning Free State Project has gone virtually viral in the past few days and, as one might expect, has drawn criticism.

Reacting to reports that the Free State Project is aggressively trying to bring 20,000 supporters to live in the state over the next two years, Rep. Cynthia Chase, D-Keene, wrote on BlueHampshire.com:

“In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.”

She went on to write that while there is “legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal,” she proposed making “the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave.”

Chase continued, “One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.”

She wrote that the last election “was a repudiation of their extremism.

“Ultimately,” Chase continued, “the Free Staters want NH to be a platform state for them to export their views to the rest of the country. Some of these folks dress up pretty well, but if you check their website you will find that they are really wolves in sheep's clothing.”

The post this week was picked up by the Breitbart.com website, the creation of the late conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, with columnist Warner Todd Huston opining:

“Imagine if a legislator had written a blog post targeting the freedoms of gays, or women, or some other minority? One would think that the media would go wild with such a story.





And the end of the article with comments by perhaps the best state rep. in the US (lol, well, he is my favorite) Mark Warden and also Kathy, the #2 Democratic Party leader in NH.

Locally, state Rep. Mark Warden, R-Manchester, a Free State leader, said, the Chase post was “inappropriate, of course, and a bit chauvinistic for anyone to say they don't want people moving to New Hampshire. If you replaced her reference to us with 'Irish' or 'Indian' or 'women' or 'gay people,' she would be in every newspaper in the country as one of the biggest bigots around.

“But it's OK for them to bad-mouth people moving here because they believe in more liberty or smaller government,” said Warden, who, as a real estate agent, is helping Free Staters relocate to the state.

Chase could not be reached for comment Friday.

Democratic National Committeewoman Kathy Sullivan said that while she could not speak for Chase, the lawmaker is entitled to her opinion, “just as the Free Staters are entitled to their opinions.”

Sullivan said Free Staters have a variety of opinions on various topics, but must “contend with” opinions sometimes expressed by leaders in favor of secession, even though not all Free Staters support secession.

Sullivan said that if Free Staters run for office they should “disclose that they are part of that organized effort,” but she said she disagrees with the idea of trying to keep anyone from moving into the state.

“Would I prefer that more people of my political persuasion, who support strong public education, for instance, move into the state? Yes, but that’s not what our democracy is,” Sullivan said. “Walls don’t work.”

She said she was not surprised Limbaugh picked up on the matter, but added, “Maybe everyone on either side needs to calm down and talk to each other.”

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

If you replace Free staters with any minority group and any group of people in general this would be front page news. The nerve of this woman.
Exactly.

"Well if we could raise property taxes enough, that may discourage more blacks from relocating to our state."

[Keith and stuff]

The top conservative blog in NH covered it again.
This is what the prejudice and bigotry of a Democrat State Rep. can lead to:
by TIM CONDON
A possible threat to incite violence against an unfavored minority. Here’s the story:
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/01/this-is-what-the-prejudice-and-bigotry-of-a-democrat-state-rep-can-lead-to

A possible threat to incite violence against an unfavored minority. Here’s the story:



Democrat State Rep. Cynthia Chase of Keene has recently displayed an alarming attitude of bigotry and prejudice against libertarians and conservatives who make up the Free State Project movement. Her comments have gone viral, and are being reported today in the Union Leader by John DiStaso.

It’s the Union Leader article I want to discuss. In the comments section after DiStaso’s column, someone calling himself “John Forrest” wrote the following:

“The Free Staters are NOT libertarians. They are anarchists, dressed as nerds. They are obnoxious and work to challenge any and every law they do not agree with. And there are no laws that really suit their purpose. Libertarians work within the system to get changes. Free Staters have made folls and nuisances of themselves for the publicity of their cause. They are closer to the wall street occupiers than any legitimate libertarian. Had the District Court Judge in Keene had a spine and had the local police had the slightest amount of desire to do their job, the Free Staters would have been arrested on a regular basis and been sent to jail every time they came in. I disagree with Ms Chase….they are not a threat. They can be dealt with through competent and aggressive legal action. And they can be dealt with in other ways as well if they cause to much trouble.”

I’ve added emphasis on that last sentence. What exactly does that mean? How can the “obnoxious Free Staters” be “dealt with” other than through the police and justice system? I’ll say the obvious: It is a threat to incite violence against a minority, not unlike a racist threatening violence against another racial group. (The Free State Project on its web site, by the way, explicitly denounces those who advocate violence as a way to address political issues)

Will there be a police investigation of this person and his threat? Mentally unstable people who may be prone to violence often give hints and warnings about what they’re planning before they take action. Is this such a warning by such an individual? For everyone’s safety, it should be looked into by the authorities. Stay tuned….

[PaulConventionWV]

Tom Woods writes:


The great Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.org/) (FSP) involves having pro-freedom individuals and families move to the Granite State in order to create an environment for the realization of "liberty in our lifetime," as the FSP puts it. Democratic State Rep. Cynthia Chase calls them "the single biggest threat the state is facing today." (http://freekeene.com/2012/12/25/free-staters-are-the-single-biggest-threat-the-state-is-facing-today-state-rep-cynthia-chase/)Whatever can be done about these people who favor nonviolence in interpersonal relations?

Her answer: "There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here.... Cheshire County is a welcoming community but not to those whose stated goal is to move in enough ideologues to steal our state, and our way of life."

Let's translate this from Politico into English: "Unfortunately, people have the right to move anywhere they like in this country. There's nothing we can do about that. But if we make New Hampshire a less desirable place to live, with fewer freedoms, maybe people seeking freedom will be less likely to settle here. We have a way of life here, you see. Our way of life consists of sticking a gun in people's ribs and taking their things, in order that those things may be distributed to powerful constituencies from whom we public servants expect to win votes. This is one of our sacred traditions. If you are philosophically opposed to the use of violence in the service of political ends, you are an ideologue. Ideologues are not welcome here. We are welcoming to everyone who delights in having a gun shoved in his ribs."

The above originally appeared in Tom's free monthly email newsletter. You can sign up here. (http://www.tomwoods.com/)


http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/12/free-staters-not-welcome-in-new.html

More at
http://www.dailypaul.com/267569/free-state-project-is-winning

That is just insane. I've never heard something so ridiculous. She is literally saying, "Let's make it SO bad here that people will WANT to move away!"

I mean, WTF?! What "way of life" is being threatened by more liberty? She doesn't even explain why it's a bad thing that liberty-oriented individuals want to live there. Obviously, she wants to protect the way of the state, but trying to solve the problem by restricting freedom so much that nobody wants to live there is truly a cure worse than the disease. I just can't fathom why she wouldn't realize what she's saying. She's willing to sacrifice that much just to keep liberty people from getting their way. It's ludicrous.

[PaulConventionWV]

If you replace Free staters with any minority group and any group of people in general this would be front page news. The nerve of this woman.

It's like the Jim Crow laws for libertarians. What if she had said, "Let's pass measures that make it so unfavorable for black people to live here that they will move." It's the worst kind of discrimination because it's the kind that nobody bats an eyebrow at.

[Keith and stuff]

That is just insane. I've never heard something so ridiculous. She is literally saying, "Let's make it SO bad here that people will WANT to move away!"

I mean, WTF?! What "way of life" is being threatened by more liberty? She doesn't even explain why it's a bad thing that liberty-oriented individuals want to live there. Obviously, she wants to protect the way of the state, but trying to solve the problem by restricting freedom so much that nobody wants to live there is truly a cure worse than the disease. I just can't fathom why she wouldn't realize what she's saying. She's willing to sacrifice that much just to keep liberty people from getting their way. It's ludicrous.

Not sure if she just wants to violate the NH Constitution and her oath of office or if she wants to do the #1 thing free staters don't like. In Keene, the Democrats and free staters have the same #1 complaint. It is high property tax rates in Keene. As a state rep, she has the power to vote to reduce local property taxes in the county Keene is located in. There is a big disconnect though. The Democratic voters of The city of Keene complain about the high property tax rates. However, the elected reps in Keene, almost always Democratic, almost always vote to increase property tax rates. So she would likely do what she could to piss off free staters anyway.

[PaulConventionWV]

I agree in not using any of those words but take it further in not wanting to do that. We learned that lesson before Ron Paul ran for the GOP nomination in 2008 and I keep sharing it with people. We will never be a majority or even large minority in any county and there is no need to be. We have already proven that a tiny minority can help increase freedom. Anyway, counties in New England have very little power compared to counties in the West and South. VT partly privatized sheriffs. MA got rid of several counties. Some Republicans are looking into ending counties in NH to save money. Counties are a drain on freedom (with their rules and taxes).

Towns are where it is at. Towns don't have a mayor or leader. The people of the town vote on the budget line by line. However, depending on the town, the people usually vote the way the volunteer selectmen or budget committee members suggest. Or you could just pass a town spending cap and a town tax cap. The key is to get liberty people to run for state rep., selectmen and budget committee. State reps. vote on the of county budget by themselves. For example, in 2 of the 3 largest counties last year, state reps voted to not increase spending, and free staters only made up less than 10% of the reps in those counties.

With 20,000 activist and a few years, NH could be twice as free as any other state.

Towns don't have mayors? That's news to me. I live in a town of about 1,000 people and we have a mayor.

[PaulConventionWV]

+rep for angry homophobic rant

Homophobic? What, because he said the word dyke? People are way too sensitive these days.

[PaulConventionWV]

Good points, but one thing that you're missing is that liberty comes from more than just winning the game of politics.. it comes from your neighbors. For example, I live in an apartment (mistake #1, I know), and last weekend I had the music pretty loud. I am never loud. I've never caused any problems.

What do my neighbors do? Do they knock on my door and ask me to keep it down? No. They call the cops.

My statist fucking neighbors didn't even have the common courtesy to knock on my door and talk to me before calling the authorities. These are the kinds of people we're dealing with. No amount of politics can solve this problem... as long as you have statist neighbors, you will have statist problems.

I notice Grafton is about an hour away from Manchester... does Manchester have IT jobs?

Yes. It wasn't long after getting into Ron Paul's first presidential bid that I realized, for all intents and purposes, we, like liberty itself, are royally screwed. People are just too damned stupid.

[PaulConventionWV]

Insane and impractical for 1000 people to move to a town of 1500 because...WHY? Not enough housing, for one. They'll have to relax restrictions/permitting, no? I mean, people ARE free to move there, yes? Officials can't very well ROUND THEM UP & DEPORT THEM, can they? Something would HAVE to give. Something would HAPPEN.

Think, BOOM TOWN.

I'd feel better about living in a town of 2500 that is struggling with growing pains but in which more than half of the people think substantially like me, than about living in a state of 1,300,000 sprinkled with 20,000 who think like me.

That just never happens. A thousand people aren't going to invade a small town and sleep wherever until they relax restrictions and people can build houses or whatnot. That would take too long. Most people aren't willing to become homeless simply to become the majority in a single town. The cost outweighs the benefits. I'm not even saying it shouldn't happen, but if people are going to act in their best interest, which they ALWAYS will, this will never happen, EVER. They are free to move there only as long as they have a place to stay. You can't just crowd in the streets and hold everything up with the intent of doubling the economy of the town literally overnight.

In what way does this strike you as being feasible?

[PaulConventionWV]

cool bro i moved up a year ago and have been active promoting and attending every liberty event since then and have no idea what you are talking about.

have we met before? have you ever come out to any liberty events?

Obviously this is a case of differing perceptions of attitude. What is normal to some people might be completely outlandish to others. You could be one of the assholes yourself, which would logically prevent you from seeing FSPers as "assholes" since the way they behave is also the way you behave. Then again, it could be the other way around, so don't think I'm attacking your character. Just saying FSP people aren't exactly neutral observers.

[Keith and stuff]

Towns don't have mayors? That's news to me. I live in a town of about 1,000 people and we have a mayor.
Some of the larger towns in NH do. Almost all don't. Usually the people of the town are the government and the select board and budget board help the people run the government. Sometimes the day to day minor stuff is done by a town manager. NH is much more democratically run in local government than other places in the US, generally.

[invisible]

I also have no idea what he is talking about. I do admit that some of us know substantially more about effective NH politics than almost all of the nonFSPers. That is how we have been so successful in such a short period of time. For every 10 FSPers in NH, we have won 1 election. So maybe I come off as click like when there is a group of people in a room and I stay in one area talking about state politics. Otherwise, I am confused by his post.

Invisible, if you PM me, I'll be glad to talk to you on the phone. Feel free to call me from a fake number and not use your real name if you want.

What I'm talking about has nothing to do with electoral politics. I'm talking about how people behave:

A freestater owns a business, and the employees are treated like crap. Several people who do or have worked there (not all of them freestaters), have all told horror stories of one sort or another about how they are treated. How do you think that this reflects on freestaters?

After arriving in NH, a couple went to a "new movers' welcome" event. They returned from the event shocked and upset. They were told that they had been repeatedly insulted because they had managed to line up jobs in NH before moving. They were told that they were not real activists because they had somehow not "paid their dues".

Keith, you even mention (elsewhere in this thread) the FTP. How freestaters acted in this situation resulted in a PR disaster a few years ago.

Shem's own dismissive post proves my point even further, as this is exactly the type of attitude I'm talking about. His insinuation is that because I can't afford to attend a bunch of paid events, I don't know what I'm talking about and therefore must not be a real activist. Apparently it is impossible to be a real libertarian activist unless one has money to throw around on attending "events". And forget the fact that I live here, my own personal observations and interactions with others obviously must not count for anything.

I don't know why it is, but in my own personal observations and social interactions, there very much so seems to be a higher "asshole factor" among freestaters than in the population in general. I've simply been much more successful on a social basis with the locals. YMMV, and will, since it will be different on an individual basis. I'm not accusing you (or Shem, or anyone else here) of being part of a clique, Keith. This is simply how things work with ANY group of people, organized or not. Generally speaking, those worst suited (authoritarians, assholes, power mongers, big egos, etc) for leadership will ALWAYS be the ones to seek some sort of position of leadership / control / influence. This is simply human nature. Just as in government, the same thing has happened within the FSP.

A few months ago, someone dared to question some financial doings of the FSP. For this, they were subjected to a series of personal attacks, and a campaign by "the clique" to ostracize them socially. Dissent is obviously not tolerated, nor is questioning decisions of "leadership". Doesn't this sound like the government? Or a bunch of immature kids? Worst of both worlds, here. Look at the reaction here to my own dissenting opinion, and how I was personally attacked for expressing it. Isn't being able to dissent without fear of reprisal a key aspect of freedom? This would seem to be evidence that the FSP has become or is becoming exactly what they claim to oppose!

This is why it is a bad idea to monetize the FSP and pay people within the organization, it will simply become further corrupted. Freestaters speak of how important it is to not pay people (a significant amount) in the state legislature, this is no different. The FSP will just become, and grow to be seen as, another organization out to profit from people's desire for freedom.

With people acting in this manner, is it any wonder that there is a backlash against the FSP? Sure, what that woman said about keeping people out of the state was way over the top. Sure, she needs to be called out, and voted out of office. But at the same time, many freestaters should not be throwing stones in glass houses, and should be concentrating on cleaning up their own act and image as well.

Keith, don't you already have my phone number? Thought I gave it to you a while back, of course you are welcome to call me anytime.

[specsaregood]

Shem's own dismissive post proves my point even further, as this is exactly the type of attitude I'm talking about. His insinuation is that because I can't afford to attend a bunch of paid events, I don't know what I'm talking about and therefore must not be a real activist. Apparently it is impossible to be a real libertarian activist unless one has money to throw around on attending "events". And forget the fact that I live here, my own personal observations and interactions with others obviously must not count for anything.


I thought about your previous post when I saw this:

If you want to see her, Tom Woods and Shem, they will all be at Liberty Forum. It is only $99 for 4 days and free for those under 18. Ron Paul's Freaking Giant runs the event.

The 2013 Liberty Forum
February 21–24, 2013 in the Crowne Plaza Hotel, Nashua, NH
http://freestateproject.org/libertyforum

Are the paid for events more common than free ones?

[Anti Federalist]

Not sure if she just wants to violate the NH Constitution and her oath of office or if she wants to do the #1 thing free staters don't like. In Keene, the Democrats and free staters have the same #1 complaint. It is high property tax rates in Keene. As a state rep, she has the power to vote to reduce local property taxes in the county Keene is located in. There is a big disconnect though. The Democratic voters of The city of Keene complain about the high property tax rates. However, the elected reps in Keene, almost always Democratic, almost always vote to increase property tax rates. So she would likely do what she could to piss off free staters anyway.

People are idiots.

We have our fair share as well.

It would not surprise me at all to find out that these people are holding out for an income tax to be passed, thinking, like fools, that will lower their property taxes.

When all you need to do is look at surrounding states and see that income taxes and high property taxes are the norm.

My property taxes in Maine were higher than NH, in addition to paying income taxes and $1000 plus to register my vehicles.

[Keith and stuff]

I thought about your previous post when I saw this:


Are the paid for events more common than free ones?

There are 100s of free liberty events every year in NH. All of the big, multi day conferences I know of cost money. About this event, Ron Paul's Freaking Giant said prices will go up next week.

[invisible]

Front page of the UL this morning:


http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee498/yurei73/Mobile%20Uploads/130105_020.jpg

[Keith and stuff]

More GraniteGrok coverage.


Cynthia Chase Moved Here From Rhode Island – Recently
by STEVE MACDONALD
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/01/cynthia-chase-moved-her-from-rhode-island-recently

New Hampshire Democrat Cynthia Chase (Cheshire Dist 8) is getting a lot of press. Her comments have gone viral. While I’m happy to have played my small part, the benefits go a lot further; people are searching the original story, landing on FreeKeene, Reason.com, coming across Dr. Tom Woods original report, even cruising over to GraniteGrok where the Breitbart story was sourced, which ended up on Rush Limbaugh.

And they are discovering that the same woman who views Free Staters moving to New Hampshire as a threat is herself a self-admitted, pro-Alinsky, progressive transplant from Rhode Island. (Makes for a great followup doesn’t it?)

A fan of the radical Saul Alinsky here to ruin the New Hampshire Advantage no doubt. And the kicker? She admits she has only lived here since 2006.


She does point out that she lived in North Swanzey in the early seventies, which would have made her her 29 (ish) at the time. So where did she hail from before that? We are left to wonder but it was clearly not New Hampshire or she’d have included that in her Bio.

More hypocrisy from hypocrats. Sweet!

I think it appropriate to point out that 1) I am not from here either– I moved her in 1990, a refugee from the oppressive yoke of New York State and 2) she was essentially part of the progressive surge that came her over the preceding decade, some even pretending to be Republicans, intent on making New Hampshire more like Massachusetts, or is that Rhode Island? And Chase was not here all that long before she ran for public office. It’s almost as if she planned it that way. To penetrate the institutions and corrupt them from inside. To force her worldview on the rest of us. Very “Alinsky” Ms. Chase. Did Kathy Sullivan offer you a signing bonus?

I find this all very amusing. And it keeps getting funnier.

Well, I’d like to welcome you to New Hampshire Ms. Chase, where politics is a full contact sport with no half-time and no intermissions. I hope you are enjoying your brush with ‘celebrity.’ If you were a Republican you’d already have been run out of office for making bigoted, xenophobic remarks tinged with police state like tyranny, but since you are a Democrat you will be called a victim of some vas Right Wing Conspiracy and probably get a parade.

[Keith and stuff]

NHInsider, the #2 conservative blog in New Hampshire finally covered this news.


New Hampshire House Democrat Respect & Civility Alert!
FRIDAY, JANUARY 4, 2013 AT 08:35AM
http://www.nhinsider.com/steve-mac-donald/2013/1/4/new-hampshire-house-democrat-respect-civility-alert.html


New Hampshire Democrats ran on respect and civility. And we knew it for the fraud it was but people still fell for it.

Part and parcel to the fraud was Speaker Norelli claiming to shake up the seating arrangements in the House to help build respect and civility, bi-partisanship, working together...I figured it was so the Democrat majority could intimidate the minority members. Another rep I spoke with suggested that this seating plan would make it easier for the Speaker to call close voice votes however she felt like calling them.

I can't speak to the latter but the harassment by Democrats has already begun.

Today's Respect and Civility Award goes to David P. Miller D- Rochester.

He's made it his mission to harass a Republican rep who sits near him because he disagrees with them on the right to carry a concealed weapon. Word has it that he was not at all respectful or civil after she spoke against amending a rule to ban firearms on the House floor and in the gallery. Witnesses report that he was rude and persistent. And it has been reported to me that he intends to harass this Republican Rep every day on this issue.

It's always nice to have something to look forward to, isn't it?

Mr. Miller has no social media footprint so there is very little on-line to cull. He is not a young man either. In fact if he were a Republican Democrat Kevin Hodges would refer to him as a stingy old person who was stupid, and perhaps threaten him with a bat. But Miller is a Democrat so he has nothing to fear from Mr. Hodges, or Maggie Hassan, or this loser, or any other Democrat. Although someone probably should have told him to read the rehrotic published under his photo on the Rochester Democrat Committee Web Site.

The Democratic delegation will work for affordable, quality education for all New Hampshire citizens at all levels, from elementary through high school and beyond. They will protect the New Hampshire environment and quality of life, not just for our own health and well-being but also for the economic benefits they afford our citizens and our many visitors. They will work to achieve these goals, and many others, by working together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and civility. [link]

Just after Christmas Democrat Rep Cynthia Chase made it clear that the New Hampshire Democrat House majority should intentionally legislate away rights or freedoms to protect the left's poltical advantage. Now we've got a Rochester, New Hampshire Democrat who has promised the daily harrassment of a member of the minority party who has been forced to sit near him.

The New Democrat Respect and Civility. It's just like the old version.



Mr. Millers House Contact Info:

Strafford- District 23
Seat #:4058
New

Home Address:
7 Harding St
Rochester, NH 03867-3722
Phone: (603)332-0925
Email: david.miller@leg.state.nh.us

[truelies]

Ya really can't fault an existing population for being adverse to a gang of outsiders immigrating with the express intention of taking over and altering the Society.

[Keith and stuff]

Ya really can't fault an existing population for being adverse to a gang of outsiders immigrating with the express intention of taking over and altering the Society.

I agree. I think that is partly why people are reacting the way they are to Ms. Chase. Ms. Chase knew about the FSP before she decided to move to NH. She is trying to takeover NZh and destroy what the state is by force. So, her horrible comments went viral.

[muzzled dogg]

TELL US: Is the Free State Project NH’s ‘Biggest Threat’?
Are Free State Project members the biggest threat to the state? If not, what is the biggest threat to the state? Leave a note in the comment section.
http://concord-nh.patch.com/articles/tell-us-is-the-free-state-project-nh-s-biggest-threat

[Keith and stuff]

The top conservative blog covered this again today. It is kinda hard to follow without the correct formatting so I recommend you just click on the link and read it there.


Whatsa matta John DiStaso, don’t like the ‘Grok much?
by SKIP
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/01/whatsa-matta-john-distaso-dont-like-the-grok-much

“As New Hampshirite Steve MacDonald notes, “this sounds like tyranny.”

Given that Rush Limbaugh brought up NH Democrat House Rep Cynthia Chase’s name (AND STEVE MAC DONALDS!!) this past Friday, it was expected that the local NH media would be FORCED to also give a few column inches as well. And DiStaso of the UL does so (reformatted and emphasis mine) – reluctantly. But guess who he left out?

FRIDAY, JAN. 4: GOING VIRAL. A Democratic state lawmaker’s recent web post critical of the libertarian-leaning Free State Project has gone virtually viral in the past few days and, as one might expect, has drawn criticism. Reacting to reports that the Free State Project is aggressively trying to bring 20,000 supporters to live in the state over the next two years, Rep. Cynthia Chase, D-Keene, wrote on BlueHampshire.com: “In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.”

She went on to write that while there is “legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal,” she proposed making “the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave.”

Chase continued, “One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.”

…The post this week was picked up by the Breitbart.com website, the creation of the late conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, with columnist Warner Todd Huston opining:

Warner – a long time Samsphere blogger buddy of mine – got the story from GraniteGrok which he reads often as we are the leading Conservative / Libertarian leaning blogsite in NH. He and I think a lot of like, and he likes what we do, commenting on local politics. Anyway, see these next lines from DiStaso’s post quoting Warner’s?


“Imagine if a legislator had written a blog post targeting the freedoms of gays, or women, or some other minority? One would think that the media would go wild with such a story.

“But here we have an elected official suggesting that government be used in the United States of America to eliminate freedoms for certain citizens in order to gain political control, and the media is silent.”

DiStaso just couldn’t bring himself to include Warner’s line PREVIOUS to those, could he? Which was this:

As New Hampshirite Steve MacDonald notes, “this sounds like tyranny.“

Now the question is, having dissed Steve for not crediting the actual post that set things in motion, will DiStaso (or Landrigan, who is not enamored of GraniteGrok either) talk about that while Chase berates the Free State Project members from coming here, that she is a transplant herself (“Cynthia Chase Moved Here From Rhode Island – Recently“)? Can he even do that little amount of journalism? Will he (or the UL) talk about her hypocrisy?

Or DiStaso’s for not properly crediting the actual source that has “gone viral” – Steve?

At least DiStaso included this:

Locally, state Rep. Mark Warden, R-Manchester, a Free State leader, said, the Chase post was “inappropriate, of course, and a bit chauvinistic for anyone to say they don’t want people moving to New Hampshire. If you replaced her reference to us with ‘Irish’ or ‘Indian’ or ‘women’ or ‘gay people,’ she would be in every newspaper in the country as one of the biggest bigots around.

“But it’s OK for them to bad-mouth people moving here because they believe in more liberty or smaller government,” said Warden, who, as a real estate agent, is helping Free Staters relocate to the state.

Sidenote: The Progressives ARE bigots and haters of those that diss their religion – that of Big Government. Compared to Conservatives, Progressives are much more secular and unchurched according to most surveys. Humans are almost hard-wired to believe in something, and given their utter defense of Big Government programs and spending (which rivals that of Islamists in punishing “infidels” who diss their beliefs), it is easy to see what theirs is.

I thought that the following was REALLY amusing:

Democratic National Committeewoman Kathy Sullivan said that while she could not speak for Chase, the lawmaker is entitled to her opinion, “just as the Free Staters are entitled to their opinions.”

Sullivan said Free Staters have a variety of opinions on various topics, but must “contend with” opinions sometimes expressed by leaders in favor of secession, even though not all Free Staters support secession.

Sullivan said that if Free Staters run for office they should “disclose that they are part of that organized effort,” but she said she disagrees with the idea of trying to keep anyone from moving into the state.

How about this – will you require, Ms. Sullivan, that anyone who belongs to the Democrat Socialists of America declare that affiliation as well? International Workers Party (or similarly named groups)? The Progressive Caucus?

After all, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, and we ALL know that there are plenty of folks with those associations that lurk within the Democrat Party of NH. After all, we know them by their actions, if not by their words.

Oh, by the way, Kathy?

She said she was not surprised Limbaugh picked up on the matter, but added, “Maybe everyone on either side needs to calm down and talk to each other.”

Let’s have that debate, shall we? You want to talk – let’s do it. Offer is now official – we can talk here on GraniteGrok. Or, if you feel better about being on a home turf, set up your posts on Blue Hampshire – and we will respond.

You want to talk – I look forward to it. I really do hope that was not just a throwaway line.

[Keith and stuff]

http://freekeene.com/ covered this story 3 additional times recently. It was also covered by Prison Planet. Though, the Prison Planet coverage was lame.

New Hampshire Representative Says Free State Libertarians Not Welcome
Tom Woods
Alt Market
Jan 7, 2013
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-hampshire-representative-says-free-state-libertarians-not-welcome.html


The following video was produced by Tom Woods

An interesting video by Tom Woods on the insanity of anti-libertarian New Hampshire representative Cynthia Chase and her personal crusade against the NH Free State Project. Chase admonishes the project for “trying to steal our state and our way of life”. My question to Cynthia Chase would be; What exactly do you mean by “our way of life”? Who’s way of life? What part of New Hampshire do you claim to speak for? What part of New Hampshire’s “way of life” is being threatened by libertarians and constitutionalists? Is NH not the “Live Free Or Die State”? And, Cynthia, what is it about freedom loving people that you hate so much?

Truly, her words exemplify the attitude of the common socialist/statist. Killing the constitutional values of a particular state in order to drive away those who would seek to enjoy freedom, and thus maintain control of the existing constituency? Welcome to the progressivist ideal of American life!

Brandon Smith, Founder of Alt-Market.com

The more interesting of the Free Keene blog posts was written by former Libertarian Party activist, for Ron Paul endorsing NH State Rep and Occupy movement activist Seth Cohn. As with many blog posts, there is a lot of formatting and it doesn't translate well when copying and pasting text. I recommend clicking on the link before to see the intended formatting.

The Hypocrisy of Kathy Sullivan, NH Democratic Committeewoman
January 4, 2013 by SethCohn
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/04/hypocrisy-kathy-sullivan/


More in the ongoing saga of Rep. Cynthia Chase‘s bold faced “honesty” about her willingness to use passing new laws to limit existing freedoms just to push out certain people and/or make sure they won’t come to New Hampshire in the first place…

Today’s Union Leader coverage includes these choice words from Kathy Sullivan, the current national New Hampshire Democratic Committeewoman:

Democratic National Committeewoman Kathy Sullivan said that while she could not speak for Chase, the lawmaker is entitled to her opinion, “just as the Free Staters are entitled to their opinions.”

Sullivan said Free Staters have a variety of opinions on various topics, but must “contend with” opinions sometimes expressed by leaders in favor of secession, even though not all Free Staters support secession.

Sullivan said that if Free Staters run for office they should “disclose that they are part of that organized effort,” but she said she disagrees with the idea of trying to keep anyone from moving into the state.

“Would I prefer that more people of my political persuasion, who support strong public education, for instance, move into the state? Yes, but that’s not what our democracy is,” Sullivan said. “Walls don’t work.”

She said she was not surprised Limbaugh picked up on the matter, but added, “Maybe everyone on either side needs to calm down and talk to each other.”

Hmm, sounds like Kathy isn’t calling for Rep. Chase’s head… but you know she would be, if a Republican had said “Hey, let’s limit the freedoms that progressives value (or blacks, gays, unions, women, or really insert any group here), so they won’t be welcome here in NH.”

Hmm, who said this, Kathy?

‘If you’ve got people saying we just want to mind our own business, keep government out of our lives, hey, we all feel that way. But if they want to have a radical change in our form of government, no, you’re not welcome here.”

Oh right: Kathy Sullivan, then NH Democrat Chairwoman, in 2003, nearly 10 years ago.
That sound you are hearing: the hypocrite alarm going off…

Kathy Sullivan is a Manchester attorney and a member of the Democratic National Committee. She was chairman of the NH Democratic Party from 1999-2007… and she says wants us all to sit down and calmly talk now. Well, let’s see:

“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.” – Mahatma Gandhi

Does that mean we’ve won?

[Keith and stuff]

Another post on Free Keene.

State Rep. Cynthia Chase has made national news for her statements that “Free Staters” are the biggest threat to the state and thet she wished to restrict their freedoms in an attempt to make FSP participants leave New Hampshire.

A Petition for Redress of Grievances has begun circulating on the internet and requests that Rep. Chase be censured and/or impeached. The Petition at Change.org reads:

Whereas State Representative Cynthia Chase has stated, she wants “to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that [Free Staters] think they will find here,” and
Whereas this shows her intent to enact laws to interfere with protected rights, and
Whereas her intent is to harm a specific group of people, and
Whereas her statements are in violation of the “Equal Protection Clause” of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of these United States of America;

I will not be signing it. I feel that yes, Cynthia Chase is not qualified to serve. Yes, she should resign. Nevertheless, she was elected and reelected. I'm not going to take up the mantle of decide NH government decisions. However, I do understand the point behind the petition and don't disagree with it happening.

EDIT: updated with correct link SIGN IT HERE IF YOU WANT: https://www.change.org/petitions/nh-state-house-censure-and-or-impeach-cynthia-chase

[FSP-Rebel]

SIGN IT HERE IF YOU WANT: http://freekeene.com/Petition%20for%20Redress%20to%20the%20NH%20State%2 0House%20to%20censure%20and/or%20impeach%20Cynthia%20Chase.%20Signatures%20wil l%20be%20accepted%20for%201%20week,%20so%20please% 20sign%20&%20share!%20https:/www.change.org/petitions/nh-state-house-censure-and-or-impeach-cynthia-chase
404, not that I'd sign it but was just interested in who's pushing it. Probably Ian trying to maximize the publicity wave.

[FSP-Rebel]

Actually, here's the proper link for the petition (http://freekeene.com/2013/01/07/petition-to-the-nh-state-house-for-redress-of-grievances-recynthia-chase/) by Ian's surrogate.

[Keith and stuff]

Actually, here's the proper link for the petition (http://freekeene.com/2013/01/07/petition-to-the-nh-state-house-for-redress-of-grievances-recynthia-chase/) by Ian's surrogate.

Thanks. I updated it to the correct link. The Free Keene page still has the wrong link. I wouldn't say that Darryl is Ian's surrogate. That's just a judgement call on my part. You might want to tell Free Keene the link is wrong. https://www.change.org/petitions/nh-state-house-censure-and-or-impeach-cynthia-chase

[truelies]

I agree.

.....................................

No you don't. Lets be blunt- The Free State Project is plain and simple an attack on the people of NH by those who wish to make NH into a 'libertarian utopia' at the expense of those born and raised there. Ya wanna build utopia do it on an empty land where you aren't attempting to dispossess others. The back country of Brazil, Paraguay, Australia might be good places.

[FreeHampshire]

No you don't. Lets be blunt- The Free State Project is plain and simple an attack on the people of NH by those who wish to make NH into a 'libertarian utopia' at the expense of those born and raised there. Ya wanna build utopia do it on an empty land where you aren't attempting to dispossess others. The back country of Brazil, Paraguay, Australia might be good places.

Umm, are you retarded or something? I'm from the area, around 40% of the people currently residing in New Hampshire weren't born there. They move in later in life. It's funny that libtards like you will protest "RASHISSM" when those in the southwest try to deport hoards of illegal filth that come up from the southern border, because you are fine with things like gentrification and displacing native populations when the new populace votes (D). But now that these new movers into New Hampshire are voting for Conservatives & Libertarians you are throwing a hissy fit on a public forum and making yourself look like a fool.

[Keith and stuff]

No you don't. Lets be blunt- The Free State Project is plain and simple an attack on the people of NH by those who wish to make NH into a 'libertarian utopia' at the expense of those born and raised there. Ya wanna build utopia do it on an empty land where you aren't attempting to dispossess others. The back country of Brazil, Paraguay, Australia might be good places.

The FSP isn't an attack on anyone. 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH. If you were actually born and raised in NH, that's awesome. You are 1 of a few 100,000 people in the entire world of 7 or so billion people. Thanks for sticking around in NH. I know a lot of socialist and communist types such as Cynthia Chase have moved to NH from other places and are actively working to destroy the NH way of life. Don't worry, myself and other free staters are defending your way of life. We are helping you keep NH, NH and actually trying to restore some of the rest injustices committed by the socialist and communist types. I'm sorry that those types have done so much damage to NH since 2000 or so but there is hope. There is hope for a restored NH. A NH and grew up in and loved. Together, we will make a difference.

I am not sure why you are so confused about this but you are more than welcome to PM me.

[Keith and stuff]

Nice. The Republican RINO establishment finally came out of the closet and blamed the 2012 election results in NH on the Free State Project. The editorial was written by someone with my elementary understanding on English, that's why there are so many grammar errors. The author doesn't even understand the political party system in NH. Then again, I wouldn't expect anything more from an uninformed RINO establishment type that doesn't know how to win elections.

If anything, FSPers helped decent Republicans and Democrats win in 2012 in NH. On the other hand, Mitt ran a poor campaign in NH and Ovide ran a terrible campaign. Let's face it, the Democrats outspent the Republicans in NH by 2-1. Unless the establishment Republicans decide to invest money in even decently planned campaigns in NH elections, they are going to continue having problems.

I'd like to point out that NOT all establishment Republicans in NH are so completely clueless as to why the Republicans lost many of the elections in NH in 2012. Even the candidate for GOP Vice Chair was able to figure it out. Here is part of his message to the NH Republican State Committee or why the NH GOP failed in the 2012 election.


As we look back at 2012 there is much we need to be thankful for. Our performance in the State and National elections are not among them. We must consider why we lost so many seats in the State House, State Senate, the Executive Council, and the Governor’s race. The opposition defined our candidates across the ticket. They said our candidates would take women’s rights away, eliminate Medicare from our Senior Citizens as well as Social Security, overturn Roe vs. Wade, and work against families and the middle class. We were sluggish in denying these accusations in a visible and timely manner. The smearing had been seared on the public’s mind by the time our best refutations and denials were made public.
JP Marzullo didn't list all of the reasons, but he is correct. There were radio ads saying Republicans would end abortion in NH. There were radio ads saying Republicans would lower the minimum wage in NH. Obviously these are insane lies. However, they happened for weeks and as far as I could tell, went unanswered. Mitt Romney lost his last 3 elections. Ovide lost his last 4 elections. These candidates and their campaigns were clueless when it came to winning. They let Obama and Maggie define them and never bothered to correct the narrative.

Fosters is the only Republican establishment paper of any size in NH. It is usually wrong on the issues be it medical marijuana or economic issues.

Co-opting our way of life
Tuesday, January 8, 2013
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20130108%2FGJOPINION_01%2F130109503 %2F-1%2FFOSOPINION


“What I propose is a Free State Project, in which freedom-minded people of all stripes … establish residence in a small state and take over the state government,”
-- Jason Sorens, Founder,

Free State Movement

With these words, written in 2001, Jason Sorens announced his intention to politically invade New Hampshire by encouraging as many as 20,000 of the like-minded to come here.

Even though Sorens has since disavowed his desire to “take over the state government” his words have repeatedly come back to haunt him and his followers — as they should.

Last week, State Rep. Cynthia Chase, D-Cheshire Dist. 8, called Free Staters the “single biggest threat the state is facing today” while inviting them to pack their bags and leave. She went on to write that one way to force them out would be for the Legislature to “pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.”

Clearly, Chase chose some inopportune words in calling for anyone’s freedoms to be restricted, but the rest of her comments (http://tinyurl.com/Leave-NH) aptly reflect what many Granite Staters have been quietly saying for more than a decade.

Granite Staters — -left, right and center — value their independence. They instinctively resent the notion that anyone should or could turn New Hampshire into a one-party dynasty like Massachusetts. In refusing one party rule, New Hampshire has thrived on the political push and pull which has held sway for decades — near or at the top in education, public safety, health, and quality of life.

Do we have problems? Sure. Has the Legislature gone overboard at times — both to the left and to right? Absolutely. But that is democracy. Unfortunately, the Free State Movement came to New Hampshire with the stated intent of taking over our way of life — a way of life the vast majority of us believe is pretty darn good.

And even though Sorens made his intentions clear from the get-go, the Free State Movement has gone about its work in a surreptitious manner.

Free Staters are more libertarian then they are conservative or Republican. Yet, their chosen road to Concord and legislative chambers has been through the Republican Party, not the existing Libertarian movement. This allowed Free Staters to often run for office without have to clearly state their Sorens-ian intentions of political domination. It also wrongly has brought brand-named conservatives to their defense.

As Chase’s comments went viral last week, she unwittingly drew criticism from the likes of conservative deity Rush Limbaugh and Breitbart.com, rapidly becoming the right-wing’s go-to website. Both came to the defense of the Free State Movement, not understanding the “Et tu, Brute” nature of the organization which stabbed true Granite State conservatives and Republicans in the back on Nov. 6.

Whether voters send the Free State Movement packing is yet to be seen. And we doubt there is much if any legislative substance to Chase’s threat. But we do urge the state Republican Party to take a long, hard look at distinguishing itself and its conservative values from the libertarian ways of the Free Staters even if that leads to a viable third party. At least then we will have a more clear idea of who and what we are voting come Election Day.

[truelies]

The FSP isn't an attack on anyone. ...........................


Sure it is. Anytime a political/social/religious movement decides to mob up & mass migrate to a State with an explicit goal of overturning the political order of the native population THAT is an attack. It was an attack when the progs ruined Vermont 100 years ago as part of a deliberate scheme to establish their prog utopia. It was an attack in the 1850's when John Brown and other Yankee terrorist fanatics tried to take over the Kansas territory. That one ended in bloody violence- a percursor to the States War. The Mormons tried twice (Missouri & Illinois) to use mass migration to impose their social/religious order on an unwilling local population. Each attempt ended in bloody war and thankfully defeat of the invades. Finally the mormons at least had the good sense after it was beaten into them to try their utopian ideas in an empty land- the basin of the Great Salt Lake. Third time was a charm. They got their utopia. I suggest the Free Staters do the same- settle an empty or at least unused tract of land. Acquire it by purchase if necessary. Build your society there- NOT in the backyards of folks who have no use for your 'ideal' social order.

[Keith and stuff]

Sure it is. Anytime a political/social/religious movement decides to mob up & mass migrate to a State with an explicit goal of overturning the political order of the native population THAT is an attack. It was an attack when the progs ruined Vermont 100 years ago as part of a deliberate scheme to establish their prog utopia. It was an attack in the 1850's when John Brown and other Yankee terrorist fanatics tried to take over the Kansas territory. That one ended in bloody violence- a percursor to the States War. The Mormons tried twice (Missouri & Illinois) to use mass migration to impose their social/religious order on an unwilling local population. Each attempt ended in bloody war and thankfully defeat of the invades. Finally the mormons at least had the good sense after it was beaten into them to try their utopian ideas in an empty land- the basin of the Great Salt Lake. Third time was a charm. They got their utopia. I suggest the Free Staters do the same- settle an empty or at least unused tract of land. Acquire it by purchase if necessary. Build your society there- NOT in the backyards of folks who have no use for your 'ideal' social order.

Sorry, but I don't think you have any idea what the FSP is about. 1st off, the only reason it is called a movement is because the media decided to call it that. That's a media created label. What happened in VT didn't happen 100 years ago. I disagree with you about the Mormon, also. The Mormons were running because local folks and even government workers kept robbing and killing them.

Anyway, 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH so it has nothing to do with bothering the native population. In fact, almost everyone of any power involved with the Democratic Party in NH isn't from NH. NH was selected by the FSP because it is both the freest place in the world and has a history of welcome people that love liberty for 100s of years, among other reasons. For example, the governor of NH joined the FSP and welcomed us. Also, the people of NH spent a great deal more time and effort welcoming the FSP than the people of any other state. In fact, when the which state vote happened, a much larger percentage of the FSP membership lived in NH than any other states.

I'm sorry if you don't like freedom. I'm sorry if you don't like traditional NH values. I'm sorry if you want an income tax, a sales tax or much higher property taxes. Perhaps we are just misunderstanding each other. However, you might want to notice that you only have 1 green bar. That might be because of your confusing and perhaps even abrasive posting style.

Again, you are more than welcome to continue this conversation via PM.

[cbc58]

Anyway, 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH so it has nothing to do with bothering the native population.

Why do they have to be native to NH ? I lived in NH for 25 years - not a native but certainly have a vested interest in NH.

[truelies]

Sorry, but I don't think you have any idea what the FSP is about. 1st off, the only reason it is called a movement is because the media decided to call it that.................
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Oh puleasssseee I know EXACTLY what your mob is upto.


.........Anyway, 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH ........

hmmmmm, a while ago it was 40%. Keep going & you will be upto 99% by day's end LMAO



.............you might want to notice that you only have 1 green bar.............

and that changes the truth how?


..........Again, you are more than welcome to continue this conversation via PM.

sonny you sound like a used car salesman desperate to get an unhappy customer out of the showroom lest truth drive out his sucker trade.

[Keith and stuff]

Why do they have to be native to NH ? I lived in NH for 25 years - not a native but certainly have a vested interest in NH.

No one has to be native. That is a lesser issue in NH than anywhere else I've ever lived. He brought the point up. I was just pointing out that 2/3s of us aren't native. We all have a vested interest in NH. Even though almost all of the powerful Democrats in NH weren't born in NH, that doesn't mean they don't have a vested interest. The former Republican Speaker of the NH House was born on a military base in NJ. He still has a vested interest in NH. You would need to talk to the poster about his ideas.

I think it is great that liberty folks have been attracted to the NH liberty culture for 100s of years. I'm glad that NH allowed the Quakers to escape persecution. I'm glad that NH allowed the runaway slaves to escape persecution. I'm glad that people wanting tattoos before I was born were allowed to drive from MA to NH and get a tattoo. I'm glad that people drive from Boston to Salem, NH to buy cigarettes. I'm glad that people drive from Hartford, CT to Keene, NH to buy liquor. I'm glad that people drive from Amesbury, MA to Seabrook, NH to play black jack and poker. I'm glad that people drive from Benington, VT to Hinsdale, NH to buy fireworks. I'm glad that people drive from Greenfield, MA to Alstead, NH to buy guns.

[Keith and stuff]

Oh puleasssseee I know EXACTLY what your mob is upto.
hmmmmm, a while ago it was 40%. Keep going & you will be upto 99% by day's end LMAO
and that changes the truth how?
sonny you sound like a used car salesman desperate to get an unhappy customer out of the showroom lest truth drive out his sucker trade.

Around 60% of the entire population and 2/3s of the adult population isn't from NH. I'm not sure why this is hard for you. I really enjoy stats and so I've learned a lot of them. With some of the jobs I've had in NH, that was important.

I know you are bigoted. I've seen your posting history. I understand change is hard for you. You must be really upset that people other than FSPers have changed NH for the worse. Don't worry. We are here. We will help you and NH.

[truelies]

......................I know you are bigoted. ....................


Hmmmm ya'll sound like a soros plant to me.

[cbc58]

I'm glad that people drive from Boston to Salem, NH to buy cigarettes. I'm glad that people drive from Hartford, CT to Keene, NH to buy liquor. I'm glad that people drive from Amesbury, MA to Seabrook, NH to play black jack and poker. I'm glad that people drive from Benington, VT to Hinsdale, NH to buy fireworks. I'm glad that people drive from Greenfield, MA to Alstead, NH to buy guns.

I'm glad you folks do nipple painting on the Keene circle...

[helmuth_hubener]

Front page of the UL this morning:


http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee498/yurei73/Mobile%20Uploads/130105_020.jpg They don't quote a single person from the other side? At least not until after a page turn. The entire story on the front page is devoted to simply what Chase wrote, with no rebuttal or alternative point of view, and really precious little commentary either. Just an occasional "Chase continued" to give it a newspapery tone. They're essentially just slapping up someone's screed on page 1. New Hampshire would be a great place to be the Unabomber, I guess. You don't even have to make threats and demands for your ramblings to be published, just write a rant and the Union Leader will slap it on their front page, interspersed with some biographical information.

I hope that the Union Leader's complete lack of journalism and professionalism is noted by many others besides myself. With luck, their subscription base will plummet and they will be bankrupt in short order.

[helmuth_hubener]

I'm glad you folks do nipple painting on the Keene circle... When I visited Keene no one was doing that. We just had a sign-wave for peace. Are they really doing that? I would recommend not doing that.

[Keith and stuff]

I'm glad you folks do nipple painting on the Keene circle...

I never nipple painted at Central Square. That did happen once. The person that did the painting was a free stater. The person that was painted wasn't a free stater. There was no controversy about that happening. The reason it made the news is because a homeless person was filling up his water bottles at the water fountain at the park. A lady called the cops on the homeless person. When the cops came to tell the lady it wasn't a crime, they saw that a free stater was drinking a beer in the park. Public drinking has been common in Keene for 100s of years. It was banned in the 1970s so now there is a citation for it, similar to smoking a joint in a dozen states. However, the person drinking the beer refused to give the cops his name, so he was arrested. That's why you know about the nipple painting incident which wasn't illegal or controversial at the time. Of course, it still isn't illegal as it is perfectly legal to walk around topless in NH. Just as it is, and always has been, perfectly legal to walk around naked in VT.

Anyway, clearly, neither I nor you were involved in these issues. We didn't do it. Neither did the former governor of NH, also a FSPer. We are both individuals, as are all of the folks involved in the happenings at Central Square that day.

[Keith and stuff]

They don't quote a single person from the other side? At least not until after a page turn. The entire story on the front page is devoted to simply what Chase wrote, with no rebuttal or alternative point of view, and really precious little commentary either. Just an occasional "Chase continued" to give it a newspapery tone. They're essentially just slapping up someone's screed on page 1. New Hampshire would be a great place to be the Unabomber, I guess. You don't even have to make threats and demands for your ramblings to be published, just write a rant and the Union Leader will slap it on their front page, interspersed with some biographical information.

I hope that the Union Leader's complete lack of journalism and professionalism is noted by many others besides myself. With luck, their subscription base will plummet and they will be bankrupt in short order.

I agree with on on the 1st paragraph. As for ending the Union Leader, it is by far the most read paper in NH. It is also, 1 of the most libertarian statewide papers in the country. It prints articles and even opt-eds from several FSPers. The publisher of the paper speaks at liberty events. The editor frequently editorializes in favor of liberty bills and against anti-liberty bills and actions. In order to stay so far ahead of the competition in a swing state, it highers some statist leaning reports and also publishes opt-eds by the heads of the Democratic Party. It reminds me of a printed version of a town hall meeting as it prints all sides.

If the Union Leader went away, it would not be a good sign for liberty in NH. On the other hand, the company which owns the main paper in Nashua, NH is for sale. The Nashua Telegraph tends to endorse statist Democrats though it also endorses statist Republicans from time to time (such as Charlie Bass and Mitt Romney). It is much worse than the Union Leader on the issues and doesn't feature columns by John Stossel and other libertarians like the Union Leader does. If you know of anyone with a lot of money and the desire to publish a small paper, please tell them about the Union Leader.

December 28. 2012 5:24PM
Nashua Telegraph for sale
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20121228/NEWS02/121229227

The parent company of the Nashua Telegraph said Friday the newspaper is for sale.

Independent Publications, Inc., said it is seeking buyers for its daily and weekly newspapers, the company said.

Bryn Mawr, Penn. based Independent has owned the Telegraph since 1977. Its New Hampshire holdings also include several weekly newspapers including the (Milford) Cabinet, the Hollis Brookline Journal, the Bedford Journal and Merrimack Journal, and a stable of magazines including New Hampshire Home, New Hampshire Business Review and Parenting New Hampshire

A statement posted by the Telegraph on its website says the family of the late William McLean III, which owns Independent Publications, has decided to shut down the company.

[Keith and stuff]

Now this issue has entered the NHGOP Chair race. I've worked with Jennifer Horn and like her. I've worked with and like her opponent. This message likely isn't going to influence the vote, but it is nice to know that she, like every Republican with any power, when confronted with the FSP issue, hasn't publicly said anything bad about the FSP.


From The Desk of Jennifer Horn
January 7, 2013

Dear Friends,

You may have heard the recent remarks of Democratic Representative Cynthia Chase, when she stated she thought the legislature should pass laws that would restrict the freedoms that attract conservatives to the Granite State. Yesterday I called on Gov. Hassan and Speaker Norelli to publicly reject this "Democrats Only" agenda and promise to be a voice for all citizens of our state.

This is a the prefect example of why we must return Republican leadership to Concord. If I am selected to serve as Chairman of the NHGOP, I promise I will engage the liberal Democrats and articulate the Republican message of limited government and individual freedom every day.

I have been humbled by the support shown to me throughout this campaign, and it is an honor to share with you today the endorsement of a very well-respected Republican leader from Sullivan County, former State Representative Steve Cunningham

[ican'tvote]

Oh puleasssseee I know EXACTLY what your mob is upto.
Ron Paul would disagree with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI9ZjjEtH4g

[Keith and stuff]

Ron Paul would disagree with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI9ZjjEtH4g

Great point. Ron Paul spoke at the 2007 and 2008 Liberty Forums. He had FSPers as volunteers, youth volunteers, on his NH staff and at least 1 FSPer on his national staff. Ron Paul endorsed the FSP in 2007 and again in 2012. http://freestateproject.org/about/endorsements#ron_paul

Gary Johnson endorsed the FSP. Bob Barr endorsed the FSP. Michael Badnarik endorsed the FSP. Aaron Russo endorsed the FSP. Walter Williams was partly the inspiration for the FSP. He not only endorsed the FSP but spoke positively about it several times on the Rush radio program. The RLC endorsed the FSP. 13 state LPs endorsed the FSP. The list goes on.

19 of us have been elected as state reps in NH. A governor joined us. A US Senator spoke at our event (the same event the publisher of the largest paper in the state and Ron Paul spoke at). The NH Senate Majority Leader spoke positively of the FSP. The former NH Speaker of the House spoke very positively of us and endorsed FSPers that were candidates for office. The likely future Chair of the NHGOP spoke positively of us. The NHGOP Committee Woman has worked well with several of us. The popular mayor of the largest city in NH endorsed 1 of us running for office. The lead of the Manchester Democratic Party has spoken positively of more than 1 FSPer.

[truelies]

Ron Paul would disagree with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI9ZjjEtH4g

Yeah well as it turns out RP lacks the courage to speak out on things like the 911 Official Version Myth soooooo at this point he doesn't impress much.

[Keith and stuff]

World Net Daily covered this.


THE LIBERAL MIND
New Hampshire's leftist psychopath
Exclusive: Mychal Massie exposes legislator targeting Free Staters hoping to move there
Published: 23 hours ago
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/new-hampshires-leftist-psychopath/
http://www.wnd.com/files/2011/12/Mychal-Massie_avatar.jpg


Lyle H. Rossiter Jr., M.D., authored a book titled “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” The book is a treatise pursuant to “modern liberalism’s irrationality being the product of psychopathology: a massive transference neurosis acted out in the world’s political arenas, with devastating effects on the institutions of liberty.”

Dr. Rossiter writes: “So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche.”

He further notes, “This makes complete sense and explains the liberal thinking and behavior that defies any other explanation.”

In support of Dr. Rossiter’s aforementioned observations, I submit the liberal Democratic state Rep. Cynthia Chase from the 3rd District in New Hampshire. A more complete representation of that which he postulates would be difficult to find.

Chase, who has taken great pains to masculinize her appearance, exhibits the very psychopathology that, as Dr. Rossiter observes, leads to the irrationality liberals exhibit. In December she opined that: “In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat [New Hampshire] is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose, and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.” (“New Hampshire Legislator: We Need To ‘Restrict Freedoms’ of Conservatives,” Warner Todd Huston, Jan. 3, 2013)

Free Staters is the assignation given to the people of the “Free State Project.” The intent of the project was and is to have conservative Americans migrate to New Hampshire and, ultimately, through strength of numbers, run for office and move the state toward conservatism and libertarianism.

Liberals like Chase see nothing wrong with their condemnable ideologies. But you can bet all the gold in Fort Knox that Chase would be frothing from her nose if a housing development decided that the best way to keep homosexuals from moving in would be to make them feel as unwanted and unwelcome as possible.

She and those like her would be incensed if they were to find out that although the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prevents housing discrimination based on race and/or gender – the community can very quietly legislate in ways that create unfriendly environs.

If it were whispered that such comments were made in reference to blacks, Hispanics, illegal aliens, women, homosexuals, cross-dressers, pedophiles, or one of the other protected groups, the media would launch into a spasmodic apoplexy of breathless round-the-clock reporting. But, as expected, in this case there is a cacophony of silence from the media.

My personal observation regarding the media silence surrounding Chase’s desire to restrict the freedoms of conservatives, and to create an environment that is unwelcoming to them, is that it doesn’t matter – because as everyone knows (sarcasm intended) conservatives are just a bunch of old white men whose goal it is to oppress minorities and women. Conservatives are just old white men who use the Constitution as a club of enforcement for a mandamus from their idea of God.

Conservatives, especially those like tea-party members, are branded as racist, xenophobic homophobes who are anti the liberal’s definition of modernity.

Not that we needed more proof. It is not conservatives who are intolerant – it is liberals who are among the most hateful, intolerant, rapacious, discordant persons there are. And for those who are not given over to political correctness, evidence of what Dr. Rossiter rightly observed is pandemic.

[Anti Federalist]

Meh, thus has been every page of human history, since the first cave dweller decided to move to more fertile hunting grounds.

What a conspiracy, "We're gonna take over...and leave you be."




Sure it is. Anytime a political/social/religious movement decides to mob up & mass migrate to a State with an explicit goal of overturning the political order of the native population THAT is an attack. It was an attack when the progs ruined Vermont 100 years ago as part of a deliberate scheme to establish their prog utopia. It was an attack in the 1850's when John Brown and other Yankee terrorist fanatics tried to take over the Kansas territory. That one ended in bloody violence- a percursor to the States War. The Mormons tried twice (Missouri & Illinois) to use mass migration to impose their social/religious order on an unwilling local population. Each attempt ended in bloody war and thankfully defeat of the invades. Finally the mormons at least had the good sense after it was beaten into them to try their utopian ideas in an empty land- the basin of the Great Salt Lake. Third time was a charm. They got their utopia. I suggest the Free Staters do the same- settle an empty or at least unused tract of land. Acquire it by purchase if necessary. Build your society there- NOT in the backyards of folks who have no use for your 'ideal' social order.

[Keith and stuff]

What a conspiracy, "We're gonna take over...and leave you be."

http://reinkefj.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/201004231819.jpg?w=400&h=399

http://www.distributorcentral.com//images/products/0b8d57ea-5bec-417b-b7a9-7bcaa3446055/medium/041bcda1-acc7-4620-8654-3dd0821e279b.jpg

[Keith and stuff]

NetRightDaily covered this.

08.01.2013 in Politics by Robert Romano
Ideological divide crosses into political hatred in New Hampshire
http://netrightdaily.com/2013/01/ideological-divide-crosses-into-political-hatred-in-new-hampshire/


By Robert Romano — Yet another indication that our political culture has become so poisoned that the nation is no longer dealing with mere civil disagreement, but pure hatred.

A New Hampshire Democrat lawmaker writes on her blog she would support legislation to keep conservatives and libertarians out her state, or to drive them away.

“What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here,” wrote Rep. Cynthia Chase, a member of the state’s House of Representatives, on Dec. 21 at progressive site BlueHampshire.com.

Chase’s post came in response to the so-called Free State Project, an activist network that seeks to “recruit 20,000 liberty-loving people to move to New Hampshire” in order to “live in strong communities where your rights are respected, and people exercise responsibility for themselves and in their dealings with each other.”

Specifically, the group wants “reductions in burdensome taxation and regulation, reforms in state and local law, an end to federal mandates, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and to the world.”

Not having any of that, Chase stated, “Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.” Pretty harsh.

New Hampshire blogger Steve MacDonald writes that Chase “thinks we should use legislative authority to restrict [people’s] freedoms and drive them away. Sounds more like tyranny than civility.”

Breitbart.com reporter Warner Todd Huston agreed, adding, “here we have a legislator that doesn’t just want to pass laws that are tangentially restrictive. She wants to purposefully use her powers to write laws to target individuals with whom she disagrees, take away their freedoms and liberties, and all in the hopes that the citizens she is oppressing might move away from her state.”

What if a Republican state lawmaker had suggested something similar? One imagines it instantly becoming national headline news in the mainstream media, with the GOP instantly likened to fascists not only seeking the squelch dissent — but to apparently make legal persecution so pervasive that dissenters would self-deport themselves.

Instead, as far as media coverage goes, except for some prominent conservative bloggers, and a mention on the Rush Limbaugh national radio program, so far the story has been largely ignored.

But the point is not merely that there is a media double standard, which is obvious and disconcerting enough. Really, it appears indicative of a wider trend, which is that conservatives and libertarians are not merely disagreed with by the left and left-leaning elected officials.

It is that those who espouse limited government and free market reforms are actually hated and despised for their political beliefs.

And, so accustomed to that hatred was one lawmaker that she saw nothing wrong with entertaining publicly the thought of using the law to persecute people who share those beliefs.

As an isolated incident, one might be able to write off Chase’s comments as a kooky lawmaker not to be taken seriously.

But they come at a time when the liberal Boston Globe endorsed Republican John Boehner to be House Speaker to “keep Tea Party extremists out of key committee assignments.” Why? Because of their support for cutting spending and other “extreme” measures like making tax relief permanent not for some, but for all Americans.

They come at a time when calls for gun bans and other restrictions, forbidden by the same Second Amendment that conservatives and libertarians seek to defend, are taken as the only acceptable starting points in all discussions on the Sandy Hook Massacre in Newtown, Conn.

They come at a time when, based on a cursory reading of some of the absurd reactions on social media sites like Facebook to former senatorial candidate Rep. Todd Akin’s inane comments on rape and abortion, one might have concluded that the country via some imminent legislation was somehow on the verge of back alley abortions and the disenfranchisement of women.

Or when Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker was likened to Adolf Hitler because of his proposals to restrict collective bargaining by public sector unions — a process that is in fact bankrupting states like California and Illinois here and assisted in Greece’s collapse overseas. Unions even stormed the Wisconsin Capitol to express their displeasure when the legislation passed, prompting Republican lawmakers to leave the building under police protection for fears to their safety.

In this wider context, it is hard to escape the conclusion that were Chase’s call to use the law against conservatives and libertarians simply because of their political beliefs proposed by a more prominent elected official, it might actually find widespread public support. Just saying.

As some political analysts suggest the country’s political demography is indeed headed leftward, is this sort of treatment what conservatives and libertarians should expect in the future from liberal and leftist administrations at the federal, state, and local level?

Maybe conservatives and libertarians really do need a Free State.

Robert Romano is the Senior Editor of Americans for Limited Government.

[cbrons]

For those in New Hampshire, I'm trying to get on 96.7 The Wave... so... support a fellow libertarian in radio and let them know you want me... :( if you know who I am. I'd love to live in free state project land.

[Keith and stuff]

Free Keene covered this again and again.

Will “Free Staters” be Banned from the House Gallery?
January 9, 2013 by Darryl W. Perry
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/09/will-free-staters-be-banned-from-the-house-gallery/

Cynthia Chase Refuses to Talk to WMUR, Fears for Family’s Safety
January 8, 2013 by Ian
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/08/cynthia-chase-refuses-to-talk-to-wmur-fears-for-familys-safety/

GraniteGrok covered this again.
“What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming…”
by Steve MacDonald
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/01/what-we-can-do-is-to-make-the-environment-here-so-unwelcoming

NHInsider covered this again. Blue Hampshire covered this again and so on.

More interestingly, the main TV station in NH covered this with a very biased story (see the comment section). There is a video and similar written story on the website.

Comments on radio contest spark controversy
Talk show host says he's surprised by rhetoric
Published 5:56 PM EST Jan 08, 2013
http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Comments-on-radio-contest-spark-controversy/-/9857858/18057058/-/item/1/-/xdhikiz/-/index.html

Here is 1 line from the story.

When reached by phone, Chase declined comment, saying she fears for the safety of her family.
So Ms. Chase says she wants to eliminate the rights of all of the people of New Hampshire just to discriminate against people that she disagrees with politically. Naturally, millions of people around the country are outraged that she is planning on doing something only dictators have historically been able to do. Then, she votes to disarm herself, her friends, her family, other state reps, workers and the audience at Representative Hall and in the House gallery. Then she claims she fears for the safety of her family.

I fear for her safety also, as she used government force to make sure that she is unsafe. More importantly, if she executes her plan to remove all rights in NH, I fear for the safety of all of America. I beleive Ms. Chase logic is the biggest thread to New Hampshire.

[Keith and stuff]

Another New Hampshire newspaper covered this today. BTW, Ms. Chase was supposed to show up for work at the NH State House today. However, she missed a morning assignment. I'm not sure if she played hooky all day or not.

Blog post takes aim at Free State effort
Posted: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 12:15 pm | Updated: 11:14 am, Wed Jan 9, 2013.
By Jacqueline Palochko Sentinel Staff
http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/blog-post-takes-aim-at-free-state-effort/article_d296dac8-37c9-5b4a-87b2-45ba1c86a354.html

I'll just quote the quotes. Click on the link for the other info and to see the comments.

“Live Free or Die”

Since making her remarks, Chase said she has received threats and fears for the safety of her family, which is why she has not spoken about her posting. She declined further comment, but said she may be able to talk more in the future.

Spokesman Varrin Swearingen, a Keene resident, said he found Chase’s comments offensive. “Representative Chase is threatening to destroy freedom for everyone in New Hampshire in order to make our state so unwelcoming I might want to leave,” said Swearingen, who lives in Chase’s House district.

Carla Gericke, president of the Free State Project, she said was also “shocked” by Chase’s statements, and she hopes Chase doesn’t introduce legislation that will discriminate against Free Staters. Gericke also said interest in the Free State Project has increased since Chase’s comments, and the group is considering giving her the “Golden Porcupine,” awarded to those who recruit Free Staters to the Granite State.

[Keith and stuff]

More Free Keene coverage.

Flowers Sent to Cyntha Chase, Thanking Her for Boosting FSP Recruiting
January 9, 2013 by Ian
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/09/flowers-sent-to-cyntha-chase-thanking-her-for-boosting-fsp-recruiting/

http://freekeene.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/385339_496426217067296_1235960066_n.jpg


Cynthia Chase recently created a firestorm of controversy and publicity with her anti-Free-Stater comments. Today, to thank her for all the free media coverage, which naturally resulted in more new people signing up for the Free State Project, a small group of FSP participants put together a nice “thank you” card and flower bouquet that was delivered to her committee meeting in Concord today.

Unfortunately she was not in attendance, perhaps because she’s allegedly scared for her family’s safety for some reason. The flowers were left for her with the chairperson.

Meanwhile, the publicity keeps rolling in. The Keene Sentinel ran a story today as did Blue Hampshire.

[Keith and stuff]

More interestingly, the main TV station in NH covered this with a very biased story (see the comment section). There is a video and similar written story on the website.

Comments on radio contest spark controversy
Talk show host says he's surprised by rhetoric
Published 5:56 PM EST Jan 08, 2013
http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-news/Comments-on-radio-contest-spark-controversy/-/9857858/18057058/-/item/1/-/xdhikiz/-/index.html

Here is 1 line from the story.

So Ms. Chase says she wants to eliminate the rights of all of the people of New Hampshire just to discriminate against people that she disagrees with politically. Naturally, millions of people around the country are outraged that she is planning on doing something only dictators have historically been able to do. Then, she votes to disarm herself, her friends, her family, other state reps, workers and the audience at Representative Hall and in the House gallery. Then she claims she fears for the safety of her family.

I fear for her safety also, as she used government force to make sure that she is unsafe. More importantly, if she executes her plan to remove all rights in NH, I fear for the safety of all of America. I beleive Ms. Chase logic is the biggest thread to New Hampshire.

I just noticed this but this was on the WMUR website before (though not on TV).

James is the most well known Democrat in media in NH.

Political Standing for Jan. 4, 2013
Published 6:28 PM EST Jan 04, 2013
By James Pindell, WMUR.com Political Director
http://www.wmur.com/political-scoop/Political-Standing-for-Jan-4-2013/-/16254890/18017762/-/dx59vf/-/index.html


State Rep. Cynthia Chase: Her comments about Free Staters got national attention this week. In theory, it’s a pretty good thing to say, as long as you are Keene Democrat who knows how to leverage the attention. But she probably won’t play it they way she could so the other side will get more out of it.

[Keith and stuff]

The Union Leader covered this again. The coverage, unlike the WMUR coverage, was actually fair. In fact, it showed the #2 NH Democratic Party spokesman in negative light.

January 10. 2013 12:22AM
John DiStaso's Granite Status: 'Person of the Year' poll spurs vitriol from self-described Free Staters
By JOHN DiSTASO
Senior Political Reporter
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130110/NEWS0602/130119943


A Facebook page supporting Bouldin was taken down Tuesday, after generating a host of off-the-chart personal comments from individuals and groups identifying as Free Staters.

When the police community got wind of the Free Staters pushing Bouldin, they responded.

A forum appeared on MassCops.com, entitled, "Shot NH Officer in need of help to defeat Free Staters."

Manchester Police Sgt. Ken Chamberlain, sergeant-at-arms of the New Hampshire Police Association, wrote, "We cannot allow a Free Stater to win this against a police officer who was SHOT in the line of duty and was almost killed. I am asking IMPLORING all of you if you have not voted to PLEASE vote, and if you have voted, you can vote again. You can vote as many times as you want."

On the site's forum, one unnamed writer referred to Free Staters in unprintable language referring to reproductive body parts. Others called one Free Stater a "mental midget."

Democrats reacted to Free-Staters' posts with outrage.

"The lack of civility and willingness to besmirch someone who nearly gave his life for our community, and his fellow/sister police officers, is pathetic," posted state Democratic Chairman Raymond Buckley. "Also, sadly, I didn't see anyone on the vote for Bouldin Facebook page denouncing these comments."

RISING EMOTIONS? The flap indicates rising emotions as Free Staters continue to relocate to the state.

Democratic National Committeewoman Kathy Sullivan said their comments were more disturbing than lawmaker Chase's recent well-publicized post that "Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing" and her call to make "the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave."

Sullivan said, "When you see things like this, are you able to find common ground with people who move to the state and make these vile comments about officers who risked or gave their lives for our safety and security? I don't know if you can."

OUTLIERS? State Rep. Mark Warden, R-Manchester, a Free State leader and real estate agent who is helping others move to the state, said he was aware of the controversy but had not seen the offensive comments.

"Anybody could call themselves a Free Stater but anyone could be a troll trying to give the movement a bad name," he said.

"The Free State Project is just interested in getting liberty-loving people to move to the state.

"The movement is very peaceful," he said. "The Free State Project believes that people who are violent or intolerant are not welcome. Free Staters simply want to live free from government coercion and want to have lower taxes and less regulation for everybody."

Warden said some Free Staters "like the police, but some may feel the police are misdirected in their arrest of people for non-violent crimes, such as marijuana users. We believe the government is there to protect the people's rights.

"In any sort of group you have these outliers who like to make statements and they don't represent the group at large," he said.

[Keith and stuff]

A liberal FSPer has gotten involved in the mix. He called at some Blue Hampshire folks for their hypocrisy.

Thursday, January 10, 2013
Blue Hampshire: Liberals Behaving Badly
http://nhecon.blogspot.com/2013/01/blue-hampshire-liberals-behaving-badly.html

Here is part of his blog post without the correct formatting. Click the link for the rest.


I don't agree with those comments, but... that's it? A few tasteless comments from some non-prominent, rank and file Free Staters? (And one of them isn't even a Free Stater!)

For comparison, let's read a comment from Blue Hampshire:

The state 2012 election is set to be a referendum on the extreme, hate-filled right-wing agenda of Bill O’Brien and his henchmen, including the Free State carpetbaggers.


Just a little hypocritical, right?

Actually, I lied. That wasn't a comment. It was a blog post. And not just any post— a post from one of the editors of the website. Naturally, it was promoted to the front page. (In the website layout of the time, posts started their life in a sidebar on the page, and only those posts deemed truly meritorious by the site editors were moved to the center of the page.)

And it doesn't end there, either. I actually pointed out that these statements were inappropriate and unprofessional. (Me! The neanderthal Free Stater!) The response was, predictably, more of the same:

[text lost due to website bug] to take over political institutions ALWAYS resent being called carpetbaggers. The Free State Movement is the purest example of such unprincipled self-promotion since the Civil War.

Calling you out on that is not a matter of hate.


Apparently, in enlightened liberal circles, "carpetbagger" is a purely descriptive term. As Steve Vaillancourt would say, "You just can't make this stuff up!"

On Blue Hampshire, these kinds of tasteless slurs occur constantly. They're the norm, not the exception. And they are posted by the most active and prominent members of the community. (Another Blue Hampshire editor, susanthe, is about twice as bad as Elwood above.) I can count the number of times a liberal poster has objected to them on two fingers. Neither of the two were Kathy Sullivan.

So when I read this recent post from Kathy Sullivan, and comprehend the level of hypocrisy involved, it is sincerely shocking to me. It's disgraceful, and it makes me ashamed to be a Democrat.

But that's par for the course at Blue Hampshire.

[Keith and stuff]

NH Rep Steve Vaillancourt just did a blog about this. He is both 1 of the better known bloggers to the political class in NH and is 1 of the better known elected libertarians in NH. He is on his 9th term in the NH House. He endorsed Ron Paul both in 2008 and 2012. He also played different Ron Paul ads on his TV show for months last year.

Since he doesn't mind his comments being distributed, I'll post them in full below.

We Disagree; But Cynthia Chase Remains A True Friend
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 04:36PM
http://www.nhinsider.com/rep-steve-vaillancourt/2013/1/10/we-disagree-but-cynthia-chase-remains-a-true-friend.html


People we deal with in politics on a regular basis fall into four categories.

The best of all, of course, are those whom we personally like and usually agree with on the issues of the day. For me, former Canterbury Representative Seth Cohn best epitomizes this grade A category, but it’s not likely that we’ll like and agree with most people we come into contact with.

On the other end of the spectrum are those whom we virtually never agree with and also personally tend to dislike (loathe might be too strong a term, but I would accept its usage).

I can think of one person in particular, but my New Years resolutions prevent me from naming a name (he’s the lone Democrat on my list of people who will never be mentioned this year).

Much more common are those in the two other groups. It’s remarkable how many people I often agree with and still do not like (again resolutions prevent me from naming names).

Then, at least for me, is the category of people whom I seldom agree with (or at least with who I often disagree), but people whom I still like and admire a great deal. (If quantification of the numbers is necessary, HRA or [New Hampshire] Liberty Alliance scores could always be used; they are based on so many votes that they serve as a good proxy of those with whom we tend to agree_.

Cynthia Chase, the Keene Democrat who has been in the headlines, both here and nationally this past week, is a classic example of that fourth type of person.

I disagree with Rep. Chase’s comment on Free State types being a threat to our state. In fact, I used to begin my old TV show by calling myself “a free stater before there was a Free State movement; more Jeffersonian than Jefferson”. In other words, I arrived in New Hampshire (at Plymouth State College in 1969) long before the free state movement kicked in, but I have always considered myself wedded to a libertarian philosophy, my position on guns in the State House notwithstanding. Also, unlike Jefferson, I actually believe in what Jefferson wrote (what a hypocrite the great man was).

Be that as it may, I considered Rep. Chase a friend when we met two years ago; and I consider her just as much a friend today despite her comments.

A tendency to demonize those with whom we disagree is hardly productive. Let’s call it the Rush Limbaugh syndrome. Just like Limbaugh made Sandra Fluke a heroine to the left by disparagingly her, he somehow feels it’s okay refer to Rep. Chase as looking like a Teamster (whatever that's supposed to mean, I don't know; it's too strange an insult for me to grasp).

I treasure our liberties; I believe free staters may be our salvation rather than our downfall, but Cynthia Chase remains a friend of mine.

I’d rather reason with her than demonize her.

For example, I pointed out to her that of the Republicans who voted NOT to repeal gay marriage, many albeit not all of them were libertarians and/or free staters. The 2010-elected Manchester Ward 2 State Rep trio of Win Hutchinson, Mike Ball, and Cameron DeJong (buttressed by Tammy Simmons from Ward 10) certainly falls into that category, libertarians all if not out and out free staters.

The problem with Rep. Chase's comment, I fear, is that she mixes up the goals of free staters and Libertarians with the works of former Speaker Bill O’Brien who sadly co-opted and corrupted the movement. Free staters deserve to be condemned for not standing up more forcefully to O’Brien’s fascist tendencies (only a few of us did and look at the heat we took). I know, I know; some might accuse me of demonizing Billy The Bully, but as always, I operate under a three strikes before you're out principle, and Billy The Bully Without a Pulpit had a series of three strikes before I considered him a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. He bastardized the free state movement, forever to its detriment, sad to say.

However, I would prefer to reason with Rep. Chase and point out how she might well agree with free staters on any number of issues (including medical marijuana and beyond that total decriminalization of marijuana, I dare say).

Of course, she and I (and other free staters) will always disagree on the amount of government spending and taxation. I worship at the altar of individual freedom AND responsibility, and I fear she worships at the altar of cradle to grave government socialistic control of our lives (although I'm sure she would not want to be so characterized).

That doesn’t mean we can’t be friends; and it certainly doesn’t mean she looks like a Teamster (Rush really ought to be ashamed of himself; those kind of comments are what created a Republican minority in so many places in our republic).

[specsaregood]

The problem with Rep. Chase's comment, I fear, is that she mixes up the goals of free staters and Libertarians with the works of former Speaker Bill O’Brien who sadly co-opted and corrupted the movement. Free staters deserve to be condemned for not standing up more forcefully to O’Brien’s fascist tendencies (only a few of us did and look at the heat we took). I know, I know; some might accuse me of demonizing Billy The Bully, but as always, I operate under a three strikes before you're out principle, and Billy The Bully Without a Pulpit had a series of three strikes before I considered him a threat to our freedoms and our way of life. He bastardized the free state movement, forever to its detriment, sad to say

I assume there is more background info about that. Got a link or details? Just wonderin what he is talking about.

[Keith and stuff]

I assume there is more background info about that. Got a link or details? Just wonderin what he is talking about.

Former NH House Speaker O'Brien is pro-liberty but also a bully. If people didn't vote pro-liberty enough, he took away their chairmanships or removed them from committees. He may have broken the NH House rules more than once. He may have instructed a NH House staff to attend meetings with Republicans around the state for the purpose of recruiting them to run for office. After the Concord Monitor published a cartoon calling him Hitler, he barred Concord Monitor reporters from attending his press releases. He attached amendments to bills that were unrelated to the subjects of the bills, a big no-no in NH. He cut money by getting rid of the cell phones for key NH House leadership positions. To save money, he refused to reimburse state reps for some of the driving they did. There might be a few things I'm missing.

Yes he was pro-liberty. Yes he did bad things. No, he isn't a FSPer. The FSP wasn't directly connected to him at all, as it doesn't do politics. Though, perhaps all of the fspers that were state reps from 2011-2012 voted for him to be the NH Speaker of the House over the other candidate, a moderate Republican. Without those votes, he wouldn't have won the election for Speaker. Because of that, the left wing media has spent countless hours trying to tie him to the FSP. I beleive someone in the media even went so far as to call him a FSPer.

It isn't really a big deal anymore. He isn't in power. The current NH House Speaker is a statist Democrat. She breaks the rules from time to time but overall, tends to follow the rules a little more than O'Brien did.

[Keith and stuff]

Th unfriendly folks at New Hampshire Blues did another blog post. It's about the editorial against the FSP by the neocons at Fosters. Fosters isn't the 2nd most conservative newspaper in NH like Mr. Tucker claims. It is the most neocon paper, though. The reason I'm posting this is not because of the blog post. It's because of the insane rantings in some of the comments. Are some of those people evil? Do they enjoy lying? Are they ignorant? I'm not sure but I broke the link because the comments are so annoying, they might make you mad. I recommend reading them just before a workout at the gym. You may get pumped.

Free Staters seek to take over our way of life
By William Tucker on January 8, 2013
httx://bluehampshire.com/2013/01/08/fosters-free-staters-seek-to-take-over-our-way-of-life


When state House Rep. Cynthia Chase called the Free State Project “the single biggest threat the state is facing today,” the right-wing media machine geared up to attack. But something got lost in translation.

“A New Hampshire legislator wants her constituents to know that she feels conservatives are the ‘single biggest threat’ her state faces today,” wrote Breitbart’s Warner Todd Huston. “Cynthia Chase wants conservatives to leave New Hampshire,” explained Rush Limbaugh.

Foster’s, the state’s most conservative newspaper this side of the Union Leader, knows better. In today’s editorial, the editors educate their conservative brethren. Chase’s comments “aptly reflect what many Granite Staters have been quietly saying for more than a decade,” they write:

[helmuth_hubener]

Former NH House Speaker O'Brien is pro-liberty but also a bully. If people didn't vote pro-liberty enough, he took away their chairmanships or removed them from committees. He may have broken the NH House rules more than once. He may have instructed a NH House staff to attend meetings with Republicans around the state for the purpose of recruiting them to run for office. After the Concord Monitor published a cartoon calling him Hitler, he barred Concord Monitor reporters from attending his press releases. He attached amendments to bills that were unrelated to the subjects of the bills, a big no-no in NH. He cut money by getting rid of the cell phones for key NH House leadership positions. To save money, he refused to reimburse state reps for some of the driving they did. There might be a few things I'm missing.

Yes he was pro-liberty. Yes he did bad things. None of those sound like bad things to me. There's nothing sacred about the House rules. Break them all you want for all I care. Saving money is good. Let the pols pay for their own gas and cell phones. Good for him.

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...The FSP wasn't directly connected to him at all, as it doesn't do politics...

S'cuse me?


I agree in not using any of those words but take it further in not wanting to do that. We learned that lesson before Ron Paul ran for the GOP nomination in 2008 and I keep sharing it with people. We will never be a majority or even large minority in any county and there is no need to be. We have already proven that a tiny minority can help increase freedom. Anyway, counties in New England have very little power compared to counties in the West and South. VT partly privatized sheriffs. MA got rid of several counties. Some Republicans are looking into ending counties in NH to save money. Counties are a drain on freedom (with their rules and taxes).

Towns are where it is at. Towns don't have a mayor or leader. The people of the town vote on the budget line by line. However, depending on the town, the people usually vote the way the volunteer selectmen or budget committee members suggest. Or you could just pass a town spending cap and a town tax cap. The key is to get liberty people to run for state rep., selectmen and budget committee. State reps. vote on the of county budget by themselves. For example, in 2 of the 3 largest counties last year, state reps voted to not increase spending, and free staters only made up less than 10% of the reps in those counties.

With 20,000 activist and a few years, NH could be twice as free as any other state.

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I agree in not using any of those words but take it further in not wanting to do that. We learned that lesson before Ron Paul ran for the GOP nomination in 2008 and I keep sharing it with people. We will never be a majority or even large minority in any county and there is no need to be. We have already proven that a tiny minority can help increase freedom. Anyway, counties in New England have very little power compared to counties in the West and South. VT partly privatized sheriffs. MA got rid of several counties. Some Republicans are looking into ending counties in NH to save money. Counties are a drain on freedom (with their rules and taxes).

Towns are where it is at. Towns don't have a mayor or leader. The people of the town vote on the budget line by line. However, depending on the town, the people usually vote the way the volunteer selectmen or budget committee members suggest. Or you could just pass a town spending cap and a town tax cap. The key is to get liberty people to run for state rep., selectmen and budget committee. State reps. vote on the of county budget by themselves. For example, in 2 of the 3 largest counties last year, state reps voted to not increase spending, and free staters only made up less than 10% of the reps in those counties.

With 20,000 activist and a few years, NH could be twice as free as any other state.

Soooo, a certain amount or type of IMPRESSIONABILITY slash DEFERENCE IN DECISION-MAKING slash GROUP THINK is good, or not?

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She moved here from RI and broke an election law to help her get elected. She was in something like an 8 way primary for 7 spots. She handed out flyers at the polling location which didn't mention who paid for them. Half way through the day, a liberty candidate found out and called the state government. She was forced to stop breaking the law but never got in trouble.

I have read HUNDREDS of posts on this Board, so many of you have read THOUSANDS of posts on this Board, that chronicle Dirty Tricks committed with impunity.

WHY people play dirty is evident. HOW do they get away with it? I mean, OF COURSE "The Process" is alternately goofy and corrupt, but all Office Seekers and their posses are working WITHIN the Process/Game. So how are SOME people (smart fierce Liberty folk, at that) repeatedly, one might say systematically, bushwhacked?



I agree in not using any of those words but take it further in not wanting to do that. We learned that lesson before Ron Paul ran for the GOP nomination in 2008 and I keep sharing it with people. We will never be a majority or even large minority in any county and there is no need to be. We have already proven that a tiny minority can help increase freedom. Anyway, counties in New England have very little power compared to counties in the West and South. VT partly privatized sheriffs. MA got rid of several counties. Some Republicans are looking into ending counties in NH to save money. Counties are a drain on freedom (with their rules and taxes).

Towns are where it is at. Towns don't have a mayor or leader. The people of the town vote on the budget line by line. However, depending on the town, the people usually vote the way the volunteer selectmen or budget committee members suggest. Or you could just pass a town spending cap and a town tax cap. The key is to get liberty people to run for state rep., selectmen and budget committee. State reps. vote on the of county budget by themselves. For example, in 2 of the 3 largest counties last year, state reps voted to not increase spending, and free staters only made up less than 10% of the reps in those counties.

With 20,000 activist and a few years, NH could be twice as free as any other state.

Think back to the GOP Convention. How many of you railed that people should CARE about how the mighty RNC was swashbuckling? Even if they aren't Republican, even if they aren't political, they should care ON PRINCIPLE!

Because the numbers of the Liberty Moovement are small, and because an even SMALLER number seem creepily determined to RULE WITHOUT POPULAR SUPPORT, lots of people who should give a shit about shit, on principle, DON'T.

Moreover, because a DIFFERENT Elite machinating to "take over" by parliamentary procedure absent popular support IS so creepy, many people not only don't CARE when y'all get bushwhacked, they're kinda okay with it.

Same goes with Free State Project, it seems.

[Keith and stuff]

S'cuse me?
The FSP is designed to get 20,000 people to sign the FSP statement of intent and then follow it out by moving to NH and doing what they want, as long as the people doing the stuff think it is inline with the statement of intent. Here is the statement of intent. It is in no way a political document. While many FSPers get involved in politics by running, volunteering, voting and so on, it isn't required. The meaning of "fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property" is open to personal interpretation. For example, the founder of Cop Block lives in NH. He does a lot of good. However, I don't think he votes. Of course, Cop Block is 1 of the top pro-freedom websites in the world. It has chapters all over the country. He constantly encourages people to move to NH and works towards increased liberty in NH, but it is outside of the political system. Nothing about the statement of intent is inherently political. The FSP is in no way a political organization. It takes no stands on any political issues or races. FSPers move to NH and get elected as GOP, Democrats, independents and with the LP.


Statement of Intent
I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property.

[Keith and stuff]

Another section of Examiner covered this story. There are a lot of links and the formatting is interesting. I recommend clicking on the link. However, you may also scroll down for the full article.

Garry Reed, Libertarian News Examiner
New Hampshire becomes New Hateshire
Hate speech
January 10, 2013
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-hampshire-becomes-new-hateshire


Yesterday members of the Free State Project sent New Hampshire State Rep. Cynthia Chase a "thank you" card and flowers for the free media coverage generated by her anti-freedom comments because they expect it will boost their recruiting efforts.

America's mainstream media outside of the Live Free or Die State has largely ignored Chase's late December comments that would have instantly been labeled "hate speech" by Political Correctness Liberals had anyone other than a Democrat said it.

Writing in the "progressive" BlueHampshire.com in opposition to Free State members moving to New Hampshire, Chase said:

"What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here."

Rep. Cynthia Chase is appalled that nonviolent people are moving to her state.
Libertarians Not Welcome Here, Says NH State Rep

She wrote this after stating "There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here."

She doesn't explain how she can be "passing measures" while simultaneously admitting that there is "legally nothing we can do.".

As most libertarians know, the Free State Project was created to "recruit 20,000 liberty-loving people to move to New Hampshire" where their numbers could influence local politics and transform its society into something as close as possible to a free, voluntary, libertarian society.

Chase began her commentary with "In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today."

Some may interpret this to mean that Chase is saying that people who believe in the non-aggression principle, individual freedom and responsibility, and mutual voluntary interactions amongst peaceful people are a bigger threat to New Hampshire than murderers, rapists, child molesters and psychopathic mass shooters.

Thus, her idea of good governance would seem to be "restrict the freedoms of those I don't like."

Chase further wants to "shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming."

But while her idea of a "bright light of publicity" consists of calling freedom "extremism" Free Staters call it "free publicity."

In a final irony Chase refused to talk to WMUR TV 9 yesterday about her comments because "she fears for the safety of her family."

Welcome to "New Hateshire."

(NOTE: While Chase's original comment is difficult to find on Blue Hampshire (it's buried here: cyndychaseDecember 21, 2012 you can always find it on Loose Cannon Libertarian.)

[Keith and stuff]

Ugh!

Fosters, the NH neocon paper, did a 2nd editorial on this story. I'm starting to get really annoyed with Fosters so I'm breaking the link. Nevertheless, since free staters are such powerful players in NH, I feel it is good to at least read what the neocons are saying about us. Liberty folks in other states might want to listen to the neocons, also. 1 thing the neocons are missing is that giving flowers was a decision made by 1 individual. The 1 person paid for the flowers. It didn't come from the FSP's treasurer. Individuals make choices. Personally, I don't think it was that a big deal and it did generate media coverage outside of NH. Generally, the FSP likes media coverage from outside of NH. After all, the FSP is trying to recruit 20,000 people to move to NH. If people don't hear about the FSP, they cannot join.

1 final point. It really annoys me that the neocon editorial board at Fosters has no idea why the GOP lost some of it's power in NH in 2012. Certainly, it had nothing to do with the FSP. Without certain FSPers support, less Republicans would have been elected. Some neocons are so clueless!

Free State Project has some growing up to do
Saturday, January 12, 2013
hxx p://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20130112%2FGJOPINION_01%2F130119686 %2F-1%2FFOSOPINION


We would expect more political savvy from an eight year old.

On Wednesday, supporters of the Free State Project reported they had sent flowers to State Rep. Cynthia Chase thanking her “for all the free media coverage, which naturally resulted in more new people signing up for the Free State Project.”

According to an email from FreeKeene.com, “a small group of FSP participants put together a nice ‘thank you’ card and flower bouquet that was delivered to her committee meeting in Concord today (Jan. 9).”

Chase was the subject of controversy for blogging that she wanted to make Free State followers uncomfortable or encourage them to leave New Hampshire: “One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming,” she wrote, in part, at Bluestate.org.

Earlier, we editorialized on the matter under the heading, “Co-opting our way of life.”

While Chase’s threat to anyone’s freedoms has no place in the conversation, her motivation is shared by many who see the Free State Project as wanting to co-opt the political process under cover of the Republican Party rather than marching behind the libertarian flag which more rightly represents their belief in “leave us all alone” government.

Some in the Free State Project seemed to understand our motivation and our point.

From John Turner on the FSP Facebook page: “I support the FSP but that article [editorial] has a point. I think there is room to improve how FSP gets the message out that the intent is not to “take over” but to specifically make sure that DOESN’T happen like it has elsewhere in the country and in DC.”

From Kevin Freeheart: “In some ways, I agree with this author, actually. Specifically, ‘But we do urge the state Republican Party to take a long, hard look at distinguishing itself and its conservative values from the libertarian ways of the Free Staters even if that leads to a viable third party. At least then we will have a more clear idea of who and what we are voting come Election Day.’ ”

Others continued to deny reality: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Anyone who thinks the Free Stater movement was helped by November’s election results is in denial. It was very much the “our way or the highway” attitude supported by too many Free Staters which helped put or keep the N.H. House, the governor’s office and, arguably, our congressional seats in the hands of nanny state government under the Democrats — something we had thought anathema to the FSP.

We understand, that as with any fledgling movement, there needs to be a growing-up process. But childishly delivering flowers to Chase as a thank you would indicate the FSP has a ways to go.

[AGRP]

My favorite part was how disgusted she was about how people can freely move from state to state.

[Keith and stuff]

My favorite part was how disgusted she was about how people can freely move from state to state.

When she moved here in 2006, after many of the FSPers moved here!

OK, so, I guess the give Cynthia Chase flowers things was done by 2 people. 1 person came up with the idea and paid for the flowers. Another, Ian Freeman, decided to send out a press release about it. Here is Ian's press release.

Rep. Cynthia Chase Sent Flowers by FSP Participants
Free State Project recruiting numbers are up.
"Free Staters" Send Cynthia Chase Flowers
Web visits and signups are up at FreeStateProject.org, thanks to Rep. Chase.
http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=00d4ac261351d14ca5ddf282c&id=2d78c80a82


Cynthia Chase recently created a firestorm of controversy and publicity with her anti-Free-Stater comments. Today, to thank her for all the free media coverage, which naturally resulted in more new people signing up for the Free State Project, a small group of FSP participants put together a nice “thank you” card and flower bouquet that was delivered to her committee meeting in Concord today.

Unfortunately she was not in attendance, perhaps because she’s allegedly scared for her family’s safety for some reason. The flowers were left for her with the chairperson.

Feel free to get in touch with me if you have questions or would like to interview an activist,
Ian Freeman
Blogger, FreeKeene.com
xxx-xxxx [click on the link above if you really want to call Ian]

P.S. You can see the message that was sent with the flowers here.

[Keith and stuff]

None of those sound like bad things to me. There's nothing sacred about the House rules. Break them all you want for all I care. Saving money is good. Let the pols pay for their own gas and cell phones. Good for him.

Some people might think it is OK that the former NH House Speaker may have bullied his way to getting people to vote for liberty on certain bills. Some people might feel it is OK that for likely future chair of the NHGOP may have bullied people into supporting liberty positions at the NHGOP state convention. Other Obama and US Speaker of the House may bully their way to reducing freedom in the US. Surely that isn't good. Personally, I'm against bully like behavior whether it's by liberty folks or anti-liberty folks. I see how some people might not be so concerned with it.

Part of the problem is that the MSM tends to lean statist. So if someone using bully like techniques to advance freedom, that makes for bad media coverage. A similar situation happened with Right to Work in MI.

[Keith and stuff]

Oh, I forget to post this news in this thread. Here it is.

Fox News covered this online and on TV.

Fox News video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uHh-hMEHD4

Fox News online article
Grapevine: Blue language for green energy advocate Al Gore
Written by Bret Baier / Published Friday, January 11, 2013 / Fox News
Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/2013/01/11/grapevine-blue-language-green-energy-advocate-al-gore


Unwelcome Mat

A New Hampshire state legislator says she wants to restrict the freedoms of conservatives and libertarians.

Breitbart.com reports Democrat Cynthia Chase is urging colleagues to prevent small government advocates -- called Free Staters -- from taking over New Hampshire politics.

Chase writes -- quote -- "Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here."

[Keith and stuff]

The main paper in NH, the Union Leader decided to get involved with an editorial in defense of the Free State Project. I'm happy to have the statewide newspaper on the side of the FSP, even if it occasionally makes very odd endorsements.

January 12. 2013 11:41PM
The greater threat: Free Staters or dictators?
EDITORIAL
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130113/OPINION01/130119683

In 2001, some libertarians thought they could secure the maximum amount of personal liberty for themselves if they convinced like-minded people to move en masse to one state. They chose New Hampshire for the combination of its "Live free or die" ethos and its small size. Their goal was to have 20,000 people move here, a state with 1.3 million people, making them a whopping 1.5 percent of the population. In 11 years, about 1,000 have come. At this rate, they will reach their goal in 220 years.

And yet this movement is what some on New Hampshire's far left consider an existential threat. Last month, Democratic state Rep. Cynthia Chase of Keene posted this comment on the liberal blog BlueHampshire: "In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here...."

Had the comment not come from an elected state representative, it would be laughable. But when a member of the majority party in the House of Representatives openly advocates restricting personal freedoms for the purposes of molding the electorate to her liking, alarm bells ought to ring.

As demonstrated last week, some Free Staters are indeed radical. Local radio host Rich Girard included a Manchester Free Stater and city police Officer Dan Dougherty, who was shot multiple times while pursuing a suspect, in an online poll asking listeners who should be the person of the year. Some people identifying themselves as Free Staters said vile things about Officer Doughtery in particular and police officers in general.

It is true that some in the Free State movement consider themselves "voluntaryists," not libertarians. They believe that even the existence of police officers and prisons is a violation of their rights. But in our experience over the last decade, they are not representative of the movement as a whole (though they are very vocal in Keene, home of Rep. Chase, which might give her a skewed view of the entire movement).

To think that these few misguided souls are a grave threat to the State of New Hampshire is silly.

A much greater threat lies in the dictatorial impulses of legislators who find it permissible to reshape the electorate in their favor through the selective dismemberment of our liberties.

[Keith and stuff]

Another section of Examiner covered this story. There are a lot of links and the formatting is interesting. I recommend clicking on the link. However, you may also scroll down for the full article.

Garry Reed, Libertarian News Examiner
New Hampshire becomes New Hateshire
Hate speech
January 10, 2013
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-hampshire-becomes-new-hateshire

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[Keith and stuff]

Petition for Redress Delivered
January 14, 2013 by Darryl W. Perry
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/14/petition-for-redress-delivered/


On January 14 at 9:40am a Petition for Redress of Grievances was filed against State Representative Cynthia Chase with the Clerk of the NH State House.
After the Clerk received the petition, she stated that she would have to re-read the rules to know how to proceed. My understanding of the rule is that ALL petitions for redress filed with the Clerk, must be read on the floor of the House before being filed. The next meeting of the State House is Wednesday the January 16; so I guess we shall see what happens next.

In the mean time, I will contact some of the State Rep’s who are friendly towards the cause of liberty to see if they will ensure the petition is read on the floor of the House.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sajdUNzDfYw

Personally, I never signed the petition. Though, several current and former NH State Reps did sign it. The video is slightly confusing. To clarify, many of the people that signed this petition are not FSPers.

[Indy Vidual]

I encourage everyone to visit NH (Tom Woods will be speaking)
Feb 21-24, 2013 in Nashua, NH at the Liberty Forum.
Great place to meet natives, movers and future movers all while hearing speakers and panels about what it is like to live in NH.

www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum.

Bump

[Keith and stuff]

There has been a lot of coverage of the Cynthia Chase controversy over the last few days.

Fosters (the Neocon paper) wrote 2 editorial negative of the FSP. A former NH State Rep. wrote a LTE, which Fosters published.

What Free Staters are and aren’t
Tuesday, January 15, 2013
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20130115%2FGJOPINION_0102%2F1301195 89%2F-1%2FFOSOPINION


The two anonymous editorials that Foster’s has printed in the last week regarding the Free State Project reflect a lack of understanding that I’ve found only in the most closed minded individuals, left or right, here in New Hampshire.

In early 2001, Yale doctoral student Jason Sorens brainstormed about what might happen theoretically if libertarians got together in one place. In the ensuing 10 years, the reality far surpassed anything young Sorens could have imagined, and he’s said so many times. Quoting his original essay as gospel or blueprint misses the boat entirely, nobody but the most strident opposition are even reading it. Certainly the 13,500+ current signers to move aren’t, nor the 1,000+ who have moved over the last 8 years. Professor Sorens wrote a “10 years on” sequel essay refuting much of what he wrote back then. Theory: 20,000 activists. Reality: Far less are needed, and more effective than he imagined.

I’ve served in the legislature, and worked with folks like Reps. Cynthia Chase and Bill O’Brien. I’ve argued strongly with both of them, and yet each voted the same way as I did on some issues. Free Staters aren’t Republicans in sheep clothing, nor are they simply Libertarians. There are those who have been elected as Democrats, and those who refute all political actions and instead work on local voluntary replacements like private charities to help the homeless. Few listen to Rush Limbaugh, and as least as many listen to NHPR. It’s not a monolithic group, it’s a herd of cats, diverse and opinionated on all sides, even those elected. I participated in multiple House floor fights, where Free Staters were on both sides.

Fosters’ missed the real reason for sending Chase flowers: her attack, as in martial arts, only served to increase the very movement she opposes. The flowers’ card showed there were no hard feelings to the woman who moved from Rhode Island in 2006 herself. Chase sits next to Rep. Laura Jones, a Free Stater, who is one of the sweetest and most principled people in the House. Chase could take a few political lessons from Jones. The roughly dozen Free Staters, in 2011-2012, and in 2013-2014, aren’t influential of 400 Reps because of co-option, but because they make sound arguments and understand economics and liberty. They advocate for personal responsibility, small government, local control, and freedom. These are hardly radical concepts, but sadly, too often forgotten. Ask the most vocal opponents of the FSP, and even they will begrudgingly admit that Free Staters have been very effective, above average legislators who work hard, do their homework, and argue persuasively.

The big swing in NH from right to left was caused by national politics, mostly top of the ticket GOTV. 2014 will see many dozens of fresh voices on both side of the ticket with Free Stater connections, and many will win. Statewide, I’ve met local people who fundamentally agree with the Live Free attitude, small-l libertarians, making up the backbone of why New Hampshire lives free. Flatlanders moving to NH over the years, turning it into Northern Mass, are finally being counteracted, and locals are cheering, wanting more Free Staters to move, and they will. Free Staters will continue to be elected, as both fiscally conservative Democrats and socially liberal Republicans, because our two-party voting system forces them into those ill-fitting molds, just as New Hampshire itself isn’t a Red or a Blue State.

We’re all Free Staters now.
Seth Cohn
Canterbury

Here is the youtube video of the flowers being given to Cynthia Chase to thank her for getting so many FSP signers. Well, she didn't show up for work on time but you get the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sCpqfBhAk

[AGRP]

More flowers please!

[Keith and stuff]

The disgraced former New Hampshire House Republican Majority Leader weighs in on the issue. Since he was slightly critical of the FSP (though very critical of Ms. Chase) some of the comments are critical of him. After all, he was the biggest scandal of 2012 in New Hampshire. Still, he is actually pro-liberty of most things. He's not a bad person, just young. I'm sure he learned from his big scandal.

Opinion: Is the Free State Project an Existential Threat to New Hampshire?
By D.J. Bettencourt
January 15, 2013
http://nhjournal.com/2013/01/15/opinion-is-the-free-state-project-an-existential-threat-to-new-hampshire/


First a disclaimer, I am a lifelong Granite Stater. I am not associated with the Free State Project (FSP) and philosophically I see a greater responsibility for government than many Free Staters. Additionally, I find the tactics employed by some Free Staters to prove their point to be unacceptable, especially their attitude toward law enforcement.


Yet despite being a microscopic minority, Representative Chase and others believe they must be suppressed. Foster’s Daily Democrat penned two high handed editorials last week claiming Free Staters were a threat to “ruin our way of life” and beseeched them to demonstrate maturity.

At this point it could be concluded that, based on the numbers, the FSP is a liberal boogeyman that isn’t a threat to anything political or cultural. But then there is the belief that everyone associated with the FSP is a radical, unreasonable provocateur that must be guarded against. New Hampshire Democrat National Committeewoman Kathy Sullivan believes that anyone affiliated with the FSP should disclose their connection if running for office. Ms. Sullivan did not say whether John Lynch, Paul Hodes, Maggie Hassan, and Terie Norelli should have disclosed that they were liberals from Pennsylvania, New York, Massachusetts, and New Jersey when they brought their tax and spend values with them to New Hampshire.

Unfortunately, few have considered how many of those one thousand Free Staters are simply hardworking taxpayers or small business owners who are exercising the same choice millions of Americans make each year to move to states they believe share their cultural and financial values. Not all Free Staters are deserving of Rep. Chase’s scorn and they should not be demonized.

The final claim is that Free Staters are unfit to hold public office. In reality, only a handful of Free Staters have been elected. Of those, a few have done some unsavory things that have been counterproductive. But then there are Free Staters Keith Murphy, Dan McGuire, Carol McGuire, and Mark Warden who have been valuable and constructive members of the New Hampshire House of Representatives. They prove why generalizations about the FSP are unfair. Politics will always have its share of unreasonable people, no political party or ideology has a monopoly on them.

In the end, WMUR Political Analyst James Pindell was right to wonder, “How is it we are still debating the Free State movement? This controversy says much more about the attitude of New Hampshire Democrats toward those they disagree with than it does about the Free State Project.

D.J. Bettencourt served as a State Representative in the New Hampshire House of Representatives from 2005 to 2012 and was the House Majority Leader for the 2011-2012 legislative term. He currently works as a special education academic advisor.

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There has been a lot of coverage of the Cynthia Chase controversy...


No MEDIA BLACKOUT to blame.

To me, the Free Staters who post here seem more intimidating than Cynthia Chase. I confess I have not read all of the media coverage, but do I correctly understand that she has NOT backpedaled into an apology for her ill-chosen, inflammatory words?

[Keith and stuff]

Free Staters THANK Cynthia Chase. I had no part in this. But there you go. A massive banner, right in front of the NH State House. I am willing to mention that a NH state rep. did organize the event. It happened just before the 2nd Amendment rally.
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[pochy1776]

Cynthia chase, BUTT UGLY, Really F**king stupid.

[TCE]

Cynthia chase, BUTT UGLY, Really F**king stupid.

Ad hominem attacks is how we get ourselves into trouble. Always be respectful and polite. We want to be known as upstanding members of society.

[pochy1776]

Ad hominem attacks is how we get ourselves into trouble. Always be respectful and polite. We want to be known as upstanding members of society.

Sorry,

Cynthia Chase: Misguided on her beliefs, a naive councilwoman.

[TCE]

Sorry,

Cynthia Chase: Misguided on her beliefs, a naive councilwoman.

That gets you a +rep.

[Keith and stuff]

Sorry,

Cynthia Chase: Misguided on her beliefs, a naive councilwoman.

Much better. Feel free to edit your other post if you want. BTW, she is a New Hampshire State Representative, not a city or town councilor.

[TCE]

It really warms my soul to see all of these positive pieces on people from the FSP. I have heard the horror stories, but it is nice to know there are many good people as well. If only we could keep that going and prove that those few people who are rude and obnoxious are the minority, we would all be better for it. All of you FSP people who are setting a good example, give yourself a pat on the back. I vow to do my part to always remain respectful even when the person presenting the opposing view is screaming at me and using ad hominems, no matter how hard it is.

[Keith and stuff]

Since he was slightly critical of the FSP (though very critical of Ms. Chase) some of the comments are critical of him. After all, he was the biggest scandal of 2012 in New Hampshire. Still, he is actually pro-liberty of most things. He's not a bad person, just young. I'm sure he learned from his big scandal.

Opinion: Is the Free State Project an Existential Threat to New Hampshire?
By D.J. Bettencourt
January 15, 2013
http://nhjournal.com/2013/01/15/opinion-is-the-free-state-project-an-existential-threat-to-new-hampshire/

Don't only did people answer Mr. Bettencourt's criticism with dozens of comments, now there is a meme. Bettencourt and James Pindell do have a point that to suggest that the FSP controls NH is simply ludicrous because of the numbers. However, there are 13,000+ signed up to move to NH within 5 years of the FSP reaching 20,000. Sure, only 1,000+ have moved so far, but that's because we haven't even reached the 20,000 mark yet.

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[Keith and stuff]

Free Staters THANK Cynthia Chase. I had no part in this. But there you go. A massive banner, right in front of the NH State House. I am willing to mention that a NH state rep. did organize the event. It happened just before the 2nd Amendment rally.
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The video is up thanks to GraniteGrok.com, the top conservative blog in New Hampshire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GywB0ckTu2M

Published on Jan 21, 2013

At the Second Amendment rally at the NH State House in Concord, NH, the Free Staters decided to have a message for NH State Representative Cynthia Chase. Yes, THAT Cynthia Chase, a recent transplant from RI that is incensed that others are transplanting themselves to NH to do the same thing she is - participating in the political process (just on the opposite side of the aisle).

Short and sweet - the Free Staters think that Cynthia Chase has given them a whole lot of GREAT press!

[Keith and stuff]

Did you sign the petition? The NH House will deal with the petition on Wednesday.


Petition calls for censure, impeachment of N.H. representative over Free State Project comment
By BEN LEUBSDORF Monitor staff
Monday, January 28, 2013
(Published in print: Tuesday, January 29, 2013)
http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/4071357-95/state-chase-free-petition


Petition calls for censure, impeachment of N.H. representative over Free State Project comment
By BEN LEUBSDORF Monitor staff
Monday, January 28, 2013
(Published in print: Tuesday, January 29, 2013)


A group of New Hampshire activists wants Rep. Cynthia Chase censured and impeached by her fellow state representatives.

Chase, a Keene Democrat, wrote a comment Dec. 21 on the liberal Blue Hampshire blog that angered many supporters of the Free State Project, which is trying to persuade 20,000 liberty activists to move en masse to New Hampshire.

“In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today,” Chase wrote. “There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. . . . What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.”

A petition to the House was assembled and signed by 120 people, led by Darryl Perry, a Keene resident and Free State Project participant. It calls for Chase’s censure and impeachment over the comment, which the petition describes as showing “her intent to enact laws to interfere with protected rights” and “harm a specific group of people.”

The petition was received by the clerk’s office earlier this month, and a notice was printed in Friday’s House Calendar ahead of tomorrow’s full House session.

Chase declined to comment on the petition.

[Keith and stuff]

Since the petition to censure or impeach NH Rep. Cynthia Chase happens on Wednesday, there was some news among the socialists in NH today. Susan the Bruce posted a blog about it on Blue Hampshire.

Free State Project: Censorship is a Libertarian Value?
By susanthe on January 29, 2013
bluehampshire.com/2013/01/29/free-state-project-censorship-is-a-libertarian-value/

Here is part of it.

Rep. Chase, I hasten to add, has filed NO legislation. She merely expressed an opinion. Apparently the FSP can’t handle freedom of speech, when it is used to speak against them. I don't know of Ms. Chase has filed legislation or not. I know she has sponsored several anti-liberty bills and voted for anti-liberty with most of her votes so far this year.


Censorship is an ugly, ugly word. One that has no place in a tolerant society.
Actually, censorship is often a good thing and an useful tool of a free society. Sure, government censorship is almost always bad. But censorship isn't Heck, Susan the Bruce deleted a bunch of comments on her blog post, talk about censorship...


That a group preaching freedom and liberty for themselves is willing to use censorship as a weapon against their critics shows them for what they are. Hypocrites.
Not only does Susan frequently censor her critics when they use her property in ways she doesn't like, she actually hypocritically calls out other for doing the same thing. Additionally, she wants to use aggressive terms like weapon for some reason.


And for the benefit of those of the FSP cult members who are trying to play semantics games...
Then she calls the FSP a cult.

Of course, Susan is just a blogger in NH. She has little influence and no power. However, a state rep. got involved with the name calling.

This is NH State Rep. Peter Sullivan of Manchester. He is 1 of 2 state reps to propose income tax bills.
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I'll give Rep. Sullivan the benefit of the doubt. I assume when he called free staters crackpots, thugs and hypocrites that he was only talking about the 1 FSPer that made the petition to censure Rep. Chase and the FSPers that signed the petition. While that was inappropriate and rude of him, it's not as bad as saying bad things about all free staters or even trying to eliminate rights for everything, like Rep. Chase is working hard to do.

[Keith and stuff]

The NH statewide newspaper covered the tweet controversy.

January 29. 2013 10:44PM
Manchester state rep's tweet leads to war of words over Free Staters
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130130/NEWS06/130139986


Sullivan's tweets received an angry response from the Tea Party.

"Kind of stuff that proves these regressive thugs want to take away your rights," tweeted "The RealTeaParty." "You won't get anywhere with these neanderthals. All have bad attitudes to toward freedom."

Others, however, called for an end to name-calling.

"I understand tensions are high, but can we all agree that name-calling is counterproductive?" tweeted a Free State supporter.

"I just think we should keep the insults at a minimum, from all sides."

Sullivan could not be reached for comment.

[Keith and stuff]

Free Keene, the most popular political blog in NH, put out a couple posts about this Cynthia Chase controversy today.

Blue Hampshire Blogger Calls FSP Participants “Cult Members”, Fears We’ll “Eliminate our State Government”
January 30, 2013 by Ian
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/30/blue-hampshire-blogger-calls-fsp-participants-cult-members-fears-well-eliminate-our-state-government/

Doing Something Right
January 30, 2013 by Darryl W. Perry
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/30/doing-something-right/

[Keith and stuff]

Rep. Lambert (He endorsed Ron Paul while a state rep.) brought up the petition. Personally, I didn't support the petition. Anyway, while Rep. Lambert isn't a free staters, its obvious that he is 1 of the most pro-liberty state reps in the US. Some of his previous bills including ending all victimless crimes. Anywhere, here is the audio of the debate in the NH House over the petition. As I suspected, it failed badly. Humorously, another liberty Republican (though he also has been elected as a Libertarian in the past) wanted a roll call because he is against the bill and against free staters in this instance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31XWjhCdLxo

[Keith and stuff]

It seems the media, even the online blogging community, can't get enough of this story. I won't post all of the recent blog about this but here is another 1. Rick Barnes writes about the insanity of some on the left. For example, Jim Splaine spent many years pushing for same sex freedom in New Hampshire. He claims to be a champion of protecting minority civil rights but Barnes exposes Splaine for what he is, which is at the very least, a hypocrite. In fact, it appears as those Splaine takes pleasure in calling out and trying to punish minority groups for no other reason than that they support protecting civil rights and civil liberties.

Rep Chase Limits On Freedoms
Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 12:51PM
Rick Barnes
http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-barnes/2013/1/31/rep-chase-limits-on-freedoms.html


State Rep Chase wrote:

“Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the “freedoms” that they think they will find here.”

Her statement calling for measures restricting freedom on a minority of people spawned a petition signed by 120 people, some of whom don't even live in NH calling for her removal from office or censure.

While some of the 120 people actually were free staters, some weren't but that didn't stop the left from attempting to claim they were all free staters and that this action represents the entire free state project. This of course deflects the focus away from her original statement and instead puts the FSP on defensive, typical tactic from the left.

But I'm burying my lead here. In searching for details on her statement I can across a statement from State Rep Jim Splaine found HERE. Before quoting him, let me preface by saying he was one of the leaders in NH calling for equal rights and freedoms for gays and helped push same sex marriage in NH.

Theyz are a funny bunch of peoples. Cynthia Chase should be given a commendation for being honest, and re-elected to another term.

Kind of weird that a “group” of people who try to make us feel they’re for a “free” anything want to shut up those who question their motives and so-called “ideals.”

Time to ignore them, except of course we can’t — we have to keep an eye on them, otherwise they would want to take democracy and freedom away from more of us so they can get their own way for their own selfish purposes. Therein lies the danger of their “project.”

So freedom for him and his kind are ok but someone who dare calls out for measures to limit freedoms on another minority is something that should be commended? Really Jim?

Need I remind Rep Splaine that many free state members were also very vocal in supporting his push for same sex marriage, mind you there were others who feel as I do (and for the record I'm not a FSP member) that we'd be better going the opposite way getting government out of the marriage business.

He defends the act of wanting to limit the freedoms of the FSP members by claiming it is they who want to take freedoms away from others. What freedoms do they want taken away? The freedom to use government to force others to fund the things you want against their will? The freedom to use government to force people into acting and doing what you feel is in their best interest?

And as for taking our "Democracy" away, we are NOT a democracy. Our founding fathers warned us of the dangers of a democracy calling it two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Majority rules equal majority tyranny over the minority. As a homosexual, Jim of all people should understand the importance of rules to protect the minority from the majority. Or would he rather see same sex marriage put up to a state wide vote (ie pure democracy) and live with the results of the outcome?

Of all the people coming to the aid and defense of Rep Chase it is Jim Splaine who I am most shocked by because he of all people I would have thought would have condoned anyone wishing to pass measures to limit the freedoms of a minority. I also find it interesting that he calls her statements "honest", so Jim do you wish to limit on certain minorities as well but just lack the same courage she has to admit it?

Hey Jim, let's change the group she's refering too and see if you still think the statement deserves a commendation and is worthy of someone being re-elected:

“Homosexuals are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the “freedoms” that they think they will find here.”

I'm sorry but her statement is offensive regardless of which group you put in the blank and ANYONE who dare claim that they think that government should pass measures to restrict freedoms of another group is someone not fit for office. And the fact that the Democratic party not only doesn't see the problem with this statement but is also defending it and that a leading homosexual activist likewise fails to see the problems with it, shows how hypocritical they are.

Statements like hers are what lead this country to the days of black only entrances and seating and signs like "Irish need not apply". I don't want to see us ever return to that and I do agree with the petition that anyone who thinks that way should be removed from office. Government is not there to limit freedoms of those you disagree with, it's only job should be making sure your rights are not stepped on by those who disagree with you.

[Keith and stuff]

More coverage.

New Hampshire Democrat: We Need to 'Restrict Freedoms' of Libertarian & Conservative Citizens
Submitted by Michael RinoRemover on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:46
http://www.capitalismisfreedom.com/civil-liberties/new-hampshire-democrat-we-need-restrict-freedoms-libertarian-conservative-citizens

Feel free to read the article about it. At this point, the 100s of articles/blog posts on this subject are starting to blur together in my head so I prefer to look at pictures :)
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[Keith and stuff]

Does the Drone Memo justify striking the Free State Project?
February 6th, 2013
http://silverunderground.com/2013/02/does-the-drone-memo-justify-striking-the-free-state-project/


The big news this week is a secret memo from the Justice Department titled, “Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a U.S. Citizen.” It was leaked to NBC News, and details the legal justification the Obama Administration believes legitimizes drone strikes on American citizens. According to the 16 page “white paper” the State can now assassinate American citizens, without trial, without evidence, even without secret evidence, if an “informed, high level official of the US government” suspects them of being “senior operational leaders” of a terrorist organization or “an associated force.” This explicitly does not require any intelligence indicating they are engaged in a plot to attack America. If you’re unfamiliar with the story, go read Barry Donegan’s excellent coverage of it yesterday. No seriously. Go read it. I’ll wait.

When this story broke, most people’s first thought was of Imam Anwar al Awlaki and his 16 year old son, two American citizens assassinated in Yemen by the Obama Administration in two distinct drone strikes, but my first thought was the Free State Project.

The Free State Project is a movement of liberty-minded individuals moving to New Hampshire to consolidate their activism toward the creation of a free society. The plan is to collect 20,000 signatures at which point signers commit to moving within 5 years. The project currently boasts over 13,000 signers, but many people simply can’t wait that long. Over 1,000 people have already moved. Many Free Staters are content to work within the system and have run and been elected to public office. Others prefer strategies outside the system from civil disobedience to advocating secession.

Here’s what has me concerned. Recently New Hampshire State Representative Cynthia Chase said that, “Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today, but there is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving.” She went on to advocate intentionally legislating away the freedoms the Free Staters cherish in hopes that they will stop moving to New Hampshire, or even leave, but what if the leaked Drone Memo gives her the legal justification she’s looking for?

Read more http://silverunderground.com/2013/02/does-the-drone-memo-justify-striking-the-free-state-project/

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[Keith and stuff]

Another day, another Union Leader editorial about this issue. Oddly enough, Rep. Chase actually voted for freedom even though she knows it will make free staters happy. Rep. Chase is really hard to figure out.

February 07. 2013 10:57PM
Keene, Vt.: NH's beer-tax capital
EDITORIAL
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130208/OPINION01/130209143

...On Wednesday the House voted 308-35 against House Bill 168, the beer tax bill. That is a walloping. A bill that gets defeated by a ratio of almost 10-1, drawing the support of not even 10 percent of the House, ought to embarrass its sponsor. Even Congress, with a 14 percent approval rating, is more popular.

The bill's sponsor was Rep. Charles Weed, D-Keene. He is not an outlier. Five of seven representatives from Keene, and more than half of Cheshire County's entire House delegation, voted for the bill.

The two Keene representatives who voted against raising the beer tax were Reps. Delmar Burridge and Cynthia Chase. Readers might recall that Chase recently got in hot water for stating that legislators should discourage Free Staters from moving to New Hampshire by eliminating the freedoms they come here to find. Burridge is the sponsor of a bill to give counties the power to impose income taxes.

For some perspective, 71 percent of Keene's representatives voted for this bill, but not a single representative from liberal Hanover did. Geographically, Keene is to the right of Vermont. Politically, we are not so sure anymore.

[Keith and stuff]

“Chase” That Chill Away – HB 307 is Dead.
by STEVE MACDONALD
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/02/chase-that-chill-away-hb-307-is-dead



The purpose of the bill was relative to the removal and destruction of certain woodstoves not certified for sale as new after July 1, 1986 by the government protection agency. The reason given was to reduce excessive particulate discharge from certain inefficient wood burning stoves. The committee had questions about enforcement, and financial reimbursement of the owner’s property, hence the ITL motion. Vote 13-6.

When it came time for the floor vote to put an end the HB 307 nine legislators voted to try and save it.


The name that stood out most to me was, of course, Rhode Island’s own Cynthia Chase, the Free Stater xenophobe who also happened to be one of the Bill’s sponsors. (So were Cali-Pitts and Schmidt, sponsors voting against ITL.)

Did you know that Rhode Island (just as aside really) recently proposed a bill that would limit the sale, lease, or renting of property without an government certified wood stove?

House bill no.7371 states that beginning on January 1, 2013, an individual must obtain a permit before installing a wood stove in any residential home. Permits will only be issued for EPA certified models unless they are 50 feet from any lot line and 200 feet from a neighboring home. Property owners cannot sell, rent, or lease any home with an uncertified stove that is less than 50 feet from any lot line and 200 feet from a neighboring home.

I guess the benevolent statists running the Island of Rhode were convinced that people in more densely populated area’s would not take care of their stoves or replace them with newer ones when the desire and means struck them. Or maybe the nannies just wanted to be the first New England state to pass such a law. Could it have been the wood stove equivalent of ‘second hand smoke?’ Maybe it was all of the above.

Well it sounds like Rhode Islander Chase wanted to make New Hampshire the second state in New England to have this kind oppressive progressive oversight.

II. All wood stoves which are not certified for sale as new after July 1, 1986 by the Government Protection Agency shall be removed and destroyed upon the sale of a home if the home is in an area that has been designated as densely populated by the commissioner of the department of environmental services in rules adopted under RSA 541-A and posted at the registry of deeds.

The New Hampshire bill is much less tolerant than the Rhode Island Bill in many respects but the same elements are there. Only certified stoves. Densely populated areas. Government control. Sponsored by Democrats. Annoying, inconvenient, expensive, and more than likely–unnecessary. All hallmarks of Liberal leadership to be certain.

But we have to give credit where credit is due. There were plenty of New Hampshire Democrats who realized this was a no-go. A lot of them, actually. They overwhelmingly sent HB 307 packing 338-9. And to be give equal credit where due two of the nine who tried to resurrect the bill were elected as Republicans.

Here’s the full list of..what should we call them…wood stove Nazis? No wood stove for you!* List courtesy of Laura Jones.

Greg Burdwood (Dover-d), Jacqueline Cali-Pitts (Portsmouth-d), Cynthia Chase (Keene-d), David Miller (Rochester-d), Larry Phillips (Keene-d), Dennis Reed (Franklin-r), Peter Schmidt (Dover-d), Judith Spang (Durham-d), and Charlene Takesian (Pelham-r).

[Anti Federalist]

II. All wood stoves which are not certified for sale as new after July 1, 1986 by the Government Protection Agency shall be removed and destroyed upon the sale of a home if the home is in an area that has been designated as densely populated by the commissioner of the department of environmental services in rules adopted under RSA 541-A and posted at the registry of deeds.

Grrrr...

What's so hard to figure out about this broad Keith?

She voted against the beer tax because they want a broad based income and sales tax.

[Keith and stuff]

The NH statewide paper covered this story as it's main story last Sunday.

February 23. 2013 9:27PM
Free Staters told to set clock for 2015
By KIMBERLY HOUGHTON
Sunday News Correspondent
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130223/NEWS06/130229559/


Democratic state Rep. Cynthia Chase of Keene previously posted this comment on the liberal blog BlueHampshire: "In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the stat. . . . What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here...."

Gericke said she is not upset about Chase's comments, but instead has a "bring it on'' attitude dealing with critics. In fact, she said, after Chase's comments appeared in December, her group's website received 130 percent more traffic and 5,000 new "likes'' on its Facebook page.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Man the comments section is dreadful and appears to be full of rambling libtards.
The NH statewide paper covered this story as it's main story last Sunday.

February 23. 2013 9:27PM
Free Staters told to set clock for 2015
By KIMBERLY HOUGHTON
Sunday News Correspondent
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130223/NEWS06/130229559/

[Keith and stuff]

I only read the 1st dozen comments (I don't have all day to read nothing about nothing) but I thought the comments were mostly encouraging. I especially enjoyed this comment :)


Bob Lake said:
I thought the nuts were all here posting on the UL. You mean there's more coming? You mean all those republican nuts we saw on TV are coming here? Time to move. (Report Abuse)February 24, 2013 8:23 am

[Keith and stuff]

Rep. Cynthia Chase, hard at work for the people she represents...hard at work playing a game of solitaire.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/522739_619372914756287_94619407_n.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Can't she just marry Janet Napilitano and move to the District of Calamity?

That way she's out of our hair.

[ninepointfive]

If you replace Free staters with any minority group and any group of people in general this would be front page news. The nerve of this woman.

that's the best way to look at this - great point

[Keith and stuff]

And it continues. This time, again, another NH Rep. gets in on it. This NH Rep. also shows while he is mean and spiteful, it hurts liberty folks when they act like that. So please liberty folks, be nicer when commenting on a video or photo online. Let's act better than the statists. Let's be the change we want to see.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4wKVYK7iI

Published on Mar 11, 2013

Last week, Free Stater Dave Ridley ambushed (his word, not mine) state House Rep. Raymond Gagnon for an interview regarding Gagnon's "F" rating from the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance.

The Claremont Democrat, who describes himself as a "progressive redneck," sat down with the film maker and offered an impromptu, off-the-cuff dissertation on why he opposes the Free State Project.

[Keith and stuff]

Here is another statist New Hampshire State Rep. that has stepped in it.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/971544_10151402980075685_1741393309_n.jpg

The background story. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417324-New-Hampshire-State-Rep-calls-free-staters-Nazis

[Keith and stuff]

https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11217808_949473185095928_8935386150695418065_n.png ?oh=25e47c8c0f6666b83fddd9ffb89ba269&oe=56471444
https://www.facebook.com/FreeStateProject.org/photos/a.172188502824404.34847.147390698637518/949473185095928/?type=1&theater

[Ronin Truth]

Are they about to be banished? Tarred, feathered, and run out of the state on a rail? :rolleyes: :p

[Anti Federalist]

That nasty dyke at it again, or is this old news?

[Traditionalist]

So this is how it works here in New England:

Third worlders, immigrants from all parts of the world, migrants from the commonwealth flooding the states and voting unanimously for the Democratic Party is hailed as a good thing for "DIVERSITY" and "PROGRESS." Yet, we have a rather small and still insignificant libertarian minority moving in and the response is, "GO BACK TO ALLY-BAMMA U FASCISST REPUBLICAN." It's amazing what nonsense persists in the Northeast still.

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Wow! More power to all those that have made sacrifices for the sake of liberty & moved over there. Great job! :D