Desperate message from Chinese forced labor camp hidden in Halloween decorations...

[FrankRep]

Halloween decorations carry haunting message of forced labor (http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2012/12/halloween_decorations_carry_ha.html)


The Oregonian
December 23, 2012


The letter came in a box of Halloween decorations purchased at Kmart, but for a year Julie Keith never knew. It gathered dust in her storage, a haunting plea for help hidden among artificial skeletons, tombstones and spider webs.
...

She ripped open the box and threw aside the cellophane.

That's when Keith found it. Scribbled onto paper and folded into eighths, the letter was tucked between two Styrofoam headstones.

"Sir:

"If you occasionally buy this product, please kindly resend this letter to the World Human Right Organization. Thousands people here who are under the persicution of the Chinese Communist Party Government will thank and remember you forever."

The graveyard kit, the letter read, was made in unit 8, department 2 of the Masanjia Labor Camp in Shenyang, China.

Chinese characters broke up choppy English sentences.

"People who work here have to work 15 hours a day without Saturday, Sunday break and any holidays. Otherwise, they will suffer torturement, beat and rude remark. Nearly no payment (10 yuan/1 month)."

Ten yuan is equivalent to $1.61.

"People who work here, suffer punishment 1-3 years averagely, but without Court Sentence (unlaw punishment). Many of them are Falun Gong practitioners, who are totally innocent people only because they have different believe to CCPG. They often suffer more punishment than others."

The letter was not signed.

Shocked, Keith sat down as her mind reeled.

Wow, that's daring, she thought. She imagined the desperation the writer must have felt, the courage he or she must have mustered to slip the letter into that box. If caught, what would happen?

Like a message in a bottle, the letter traveled more than 5,000 miles over the Pacific Ocean. It could not be ignored.
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Julie Keith contacted a human rights organization after finding a plea for help inside a package of Halloween decorations.

[familydog]

This is just a reminder that not all sweatshops are the bastion of free enterprise.

[jcannon98188]

This is just a reminder that not all sweatshops are the bastion of free enterprise.

This is true. Sweatshops that people willingly work at are free market. Labor camps enforced by the strong arm of the government is slavery.

[olehounddog]

The graveyard kit, the letter read, was made in unit 8, department 2 of the Masanjia Labor Camp in Shenyang, China.


I guess we know the fate of these poor souls now. Dept 2 is most likely no more.

[BAllen]

So they blame kmart. How would they know where the goods came from? It's not like the Chinese would honestly tell them that the products they buy are from a forced labor camp. Why hasn't walmart had this happen to them? Could be a setup to destroy kmart/sears by walmart.

[LibertyEagle]

Where are all of those forum members who have claimed that RED China was a bastion of freedom?

[specsaregood]

So they blame kmart. How would they know where the goods came from? It's not like the Chinese would honestly tell them that the products they buy are from a forced labor camp. Why hasn't walmart had this happen to them? Could be a setup to destroy kmart/sears by walmart.

No mention of caring to investigate which of their "made in the usa" products are also produced by prison labor.

[LibertyEagle]

No mention of caring to investigate which of their "made in the usa" products are also produced by prison labor.

Except Specs, it was in the note that there had been no court sentence.

[shane77m]

We need humanitarian drone strikes in China.

The next thing to go around on Farcebook now will probably be something telling people to not buy anything made in China.

[specsaregood]

Except Specs, it was in the note that there had been no court sentence.

Do you mean to suggest that everybody in US jails had fair trials? Were convicting of just laws? Were convicted of valid laws?

[JK/SEA]

Where are all of those forum members who have claimed that RED China was a bastion of freedom?

or...where are all the forum members that bash labor unions.

[LibertyEagle]

Do you mean to suggest that everybody in US jails had fair trials? Were convicting of just laws? Were convicted of valid laws?

I am saying they got trials, specs. Did those Chinese?

Is our trial system perfect? Hell no, and it has gotten corrupt. But, I damn sure had rather have it, warts and all, than some gulag bullshit that Red China or the USSR, utilized. And that is exactly where we are heading, I realize.

[Neil Desmond]

Where are all of those forum members who have claimed that RED China was a bastion of freedom?
Ok so it's "was", not "is" - right?

[LibertyEagle]

We need humanitarian drone strikes in China.

The next thing to go around on Farcebook now will probably be something telling people to not buy anything made in China.

I have ALWAYS tried to avoid it. However, these days it is next to impossible.

[LibertyEagle]

Ok so it's "was", not "is" - right?

What do you mean, like last frickin' week? :rolleyes:

[specsaregood]

I am saying they got trials, specs. Did those Chinese?

Is our trial system perfect? Hell no, and it has gotten corrupt. But, I damn sure had rather have it, warts and all, than some gulag bullshit that Red China or the USSR, utilized. And that is exactly where we are heading, I realize.

And exactly why I pointed it out. It does no good to demonize or boycott the chinese products based on their use of prison labor if we willfully ignore our own prison systems injustices, use of prison labor and how quickly our system is becoming similar to theirs.

[Neil Desmond]

What do you mean, like last frickin' week? :rolleyes:
No, before it was taken over by the tyranny of communism - the catch is, was it ever a bastion of freedom?

[shane77m]

I have ALWAYS tried to avoid it. However, these days it is next to impossible.

It would be nice but Chinese junk has proliferated the market. I think Wal Mart is the worst offender.

[phill4paul]

I have ALWAYS tried to avoid it. However, these days it is next to impossible.

It depends. I don't have the link handy but an analysis was done regarding home building. It found that a home can be built 95% American made ( 5% is for products that are longer built at all in America). A home built this way rises the price about 5%.
I think the products are out there and not that terribly more expensive. It is just a matter of research.

[Anti Federalist]

Where are all of those forum members who have claimed that RED China was a bastion of freedom?

I'm waiting myself...

[Anti Federalist]

No mention of caring to investigate which of their "made in the usa" products are also produced by prison labor.

A very valid point that I have been railing on about for years here, as I'm sure you are aware.

Prison made goods and labor is bad no matter where it comes from.

[Anti Federalist]

And exactly why I pointed it out. It does no good to demonize or boycott the chinese products based on their use of prison labor if we willfully ignore our own prison systems injustices, use of prison labor and how quickly our system is becoming similar to theirs.

Exactly and that is why I have been railing about it.

Nixon and that slut Kissinger turned the nation's economy and the currency over to Mao back in 1971, while subtly announcing that their model was going to be the model for the 21st century.

12 years in and we're close to that being true.

[John F Kennedy III]

Oh son of a bitch :( No words that can be legally said...

[John F Kennedy III]

Btw, this is a look into Amerika's future. All you statists need to wake the fuck up and realize what you're actively working to bring down on the rest of us :(

I'm so pissed right now.

[awake]

They have thier gulags and so do we...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhc4jHxUVusNJvQ24s4BhfrhT7ebH4u GGNxf0KZJFL350P7FgaFU0_MEHRsw

[AGRP]

No mention of caring to investigate which of their "made in the usa" products are also produced by prison labor.

Puts a twist on "Made in the USA" doesnt it? How about a law that would require products to have a made by "corrections department..." label on them?

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

many people dont see where u s of a is heading

just like Hayek warned that 'mericans assumed that the reichs arose due to some flaw of character of the germans , look what the u.s.g. has been doing around the world and to our rights here at home

[QuickZ06]

Puts a twist on "Made in the USA" doesnt it? How about a law that would require products to have a made by "corrections department..." label on them?

Like those Patriot Missiles?

[kcchiefs6465]

Like those Patriot Missiles?
Patriot missiles are made in the penetentiary?

[BAllen]

I buy chink junk regularly. The dollar stores are cheaper than walmart. They've moved factories overseas anyway, so squeeze them by buying the cheapest products you can. Cut into their profit margins. Also shop thrift stores for products. That takes some money away from them in sales. Don't buy anything new until what you have is completely worn out. I'm still running a windows xp computer.
And yes, it is pretty amusing how we have started wars for humanitrian reasons, yet give china a free pass on it, and their pollution.

[QuickZ06]

Patriot missiles are made in the penetentiary?

Inmates have helped build them.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03/prisoners-help-build-patriot-missiles/

[Keith and stuff]

Where are all of those forum members who have claimed that RED China was a bastion of freedom?

I've heard good things about Hong Kong. I haven't heard much good about the rest of China. Even Hong Kong, though, isn't as free as where I live. Are there still forced labor camps in the US? I know there are movies about chain gangs.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Here yah go...

Prison Labor Booms In US As Low-Cost Inmates Bring Billions (VIDEO)

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/prison-labor-booms-in-us-as-low-cost-inmates-bring-billions-video/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CySzoJFkTA8

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

I've heard good things about Hong Kong. I haven't heard much good about the rest of China. Even Hong Kong, though, isn't as free as where I live. Are there still forced labor camps in the US? I know there are movies about chain gangs.

Still ? They are just getting started amigo

[ClydeCoulter]

Here yah go...

Prison Labor Booms In US As Low-Cost Inmates Bring Billions (VIDEO)

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/prison-labor-booms-in-us-as-low-cost-inmates-bring-billions-video/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CySzoJFkTA8

That is despicable and makes me sick :mad:

[farreri]

That is despicable and makes me sick :mad:
Me too, especially this part (@3:17):


"Large prison populations and harsh sentences result in greater profits. America's three major private prison companies (including CCA and GEO) spent around $45 million over the past 10 years on lobbying state and federal governments for supporting Immigrant Detention, Mandatory Minimum Sentences, Three Strikes laws, and other legislative measures that contribute to the growth of America's gigantic prison population.

The U.S. now holds more people behind bars than any other nation."
That's treason against humanity in my book.

[osan]

The graveyard kit, the letter read, was made in unit 8, department 2 of the Masanjia Labor Camp in Shenyang, China.


I guess we know the fate of these poor souls now. Dept 2 is most likely no more.

I can readily believe that the scumbag "authorities" in China would indeed murder an entire department just to ensure they got the person who wrote that note, even if the note did not originate there.

[osan]

I'm waiting myself...

<crickets>...

[Natural Citizen]

That's treason against humanity in my book.

That's the scribble of the decade right there. It has always been a battle to reclaim citizenship from those who hijacked it and assumed this kind of power against the people. The real ones, mind you. The ones who actually do eat, breath, sleep, walk and talk.

When these corporations who do not eat, breath, sleep, walk or talk benefit from the gift of constitution and attain citizenship or personhood as they have done and the natural citizen who actually does do all of those things forementioned are taken prisoner premised upon the entities growth model and placed into corporate slavery in their own lands then I think maybe it's time for some fuggin morons to wake up and think about this illusion of a free market that they do so blindly cherish and support. These are government controlled markets. Nothing else. We The People redefined. Repatriation so to speak. We know who speaks for these "citizens" or "people". That much is clear. It's up to the real people who actually do eat, sleep and breath to reclaim representation. I have little faith in them ever doing so but it's the only way that this clear demonstration of treason against humanity will ever be overcome. And that's exactly what it is. It's treason against humanity. And at the hand of the entity which has hijacked, assumed and continues to benefit or grow from artificial personhood and continues to purchase it's representation and the right to continue this treason.

farreri, I'd give you a million plus reps for that if I could but I can't. I can only give you one. Hopefully many will read what you wrote and seek to understand what that truly means as well as it's application. Citizenship used to mean something until it got bastardized and corporatized.

Growth and survival are two entirely different models in that regard.

I'd like to use that in an op-ed in the near future. Treason Against Humanity. Or something of that regard. It's perfect.

[samforpaul]

Since someone stupidly IMO decided to reveal a photocopy and the origin of the letter I can't help but wonder if the writer of the letter will be tracked down and tortured.

[farreri]

farreri, I'd give you a million plus reps for that if I could but I can't. I can only give you one. Hopefully many will read what you wrote and seek to understand what that truly means as well as it's application. Citizenship used to mean something until it got bastardized and corporatized.

Growth and survival are two entirely different models in that regard.

I'd like to use that in an op-ed in the near future. Treason Against Humanity. Or something of that regard. It's perfect.
Thanks, but be sure to give RT most of the credit for their outstanding new piece that most U.S. news groups would never dare expose!

[angelatc]

OK. I get the heartless bitch award, but unless these people stand up for themselves, they're sunk. Inviting the globalist human rights organizations in to take control of the country isn't going to give them the solution they need.

[Tpoints]

Many of them are Falun Gong, enough said.

[Expatriate]

OK. I get the heartless bitch award, but unless these people stand up for themselves, they're sunk. Inviting the globalist human rights organizations in to take control of the country isn't going to give them the solution they need.

Pretty hard to stand up for yourself when the other guys have all the guns not to mention control over the media, unless you want to be a forgotten martyr. That said, it seems you are right that human rights organizations haven't been much help with the situation in China.

I really have no idea what the best course of action would be for a political prisoner in China or any of the other totalitarian states at this point. Could be that their best hope of eventual salvation comes from us. If we can gain true liberty here, perhaps due to the internet the sentiment would spread causing tyranny to begin to collapse around the world once and for all.

[Expatriate]

Many of them are Falun Gong, enough said.

What do you mean? They don't count because they were imprisoned for practicing a banned religion?

[Anti Federalist]

OK. I get the heartless bitch award, but unless these people stand up for themselves, they're sunk. Inviting the globalist human rights organizations in to take control of the country isn't going to give them the solution they need.

They do, they riot and protest and raise hell in ways that we could only wish one tenth of Ameri-Cunts would.

Police in China Battle Villagers in Land Protest

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/17/international/asia/17china.html?_r=0

By HOWARD W. FRENCH

Published: January 17, 2006

SHANGHAI, Jan. 16 - A week of protests by villagers in China's southern industrial heartland over government land seizures exploded into violence over the weekend, as thousands of police officers brandishing automatic weapons and electric stun batons moved to suppress the demonstrations, residents of the village said Monday.

The residents of the village, Panlong, in Guangdong Province, said that as many as 60 people were wounded and that at least one person, a 13-year-old girl, was killed by security forces. The police denied any responsibility, saying the girl died of a heart attack.

Villagers said that the police had chased and beaten protesters and bystanders alike, and that villagers had retaliated by smashing police cars and throwing rocks at security forces in hit-and-run attacks.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Chinese_pro-democracy_protests

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_crackdown_on_dissidents_in_the_People%27s_Rep ublic_of_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Yunnan_protest

Love this one: A biker and his woman were beaten by a carload of cops of some sort or another, because they would not run a red light and held up the van of cops. A couple thousand people boiled out into the street and burned a bunch of cop cars and motorcycles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Shanghai_riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Xilinhot_incident

Man loses two homes to eminent domain, the stress kills his wife: he goes on to blow up two government buildings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Fuzhou,_Jiangxi_bombings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Chaozhou_riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Zengcheng_riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kashgar_attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Qianxi_riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalian_PX_protest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Lufeng_city_riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Zhili_riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Zhongshan_riot

[SewrRatt]

To the extent that China is a "bastion" of freedom, it's only because it's just too large with too many people for its totalitarian government to effectively control it. If only that population had the same amount of guns per capita as the US.

[FrankRep]

OK. I get the heartless bitch award, but unless these people stand up for themselves, they're sunk. Inviting the globalist human rights organizations in to take control of the country isn't going to give them the solution they need.

China reiterates stance on gun control (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-04/21/content_856308.htm)

China Daily
2007-04-21


...
He said strict controls had helped China avoid a US-style "gun culture", and the rampage had proved that it's necessary to maintain this policy.
...
However in China, gun crime is rare, as private citizens are forbidden from owning and selling guns.
...
High profits are deemed the biggest attraction for people who trade illegal guns, although those found guilty of selling guns or explosives face punishment ranging from three years in jail to the death penalty.
...



I agree that getting the United Nations involved is a bad idea, however, its nearly impossible for the Chinese to fight back because guns are practically illegal. Communists know that people with guns are harder to control. How can they fight back?

[bolil]

The Chinese people I have met have been outstanding humans, straight up excellent people. They will find a way, I wish there were a way to help them.

[LibertyEagle]

Ok so it's "was", not "is" - right?

When was it a bastion of freedom? Are you talking before the Communists came to power?

[LibertyEagle]

To the extent that China is a "bastion" of freedom, it's only because it's just too large with too many people for its totalitarian government to effectively control it. If only that population had the same amount of guns per capita as the US.

Since when was Red China some kind of bastion of freedom?

[osan]

OK. I get the heartless bitch award, but unless these people stand up for themselves, they're sunk. Inviting the globalist human rights organizations in to take control of the country isn't going to give them the solution they need.

I agree with you in principle about that for any "nation". What you may not know is that people do fight this. I have a friend who returned from China perhaps 3 years ago after 15 years in Beijing; married a Chinese woman and has children etc. The news blackout from China is very complete so what you do not here about are all the "terrorist" bombings that occur. Literally THOUSANDS of them over the years. I do not know if it is still so, but as of perhaps 10 years ago these were DAILY events.

Countrary to popular myth, the intrepid resisters can do next to nothing against a well armed gang when they remain unarmed. The action-at-distance that longarms afford is a tactical advantage of staggering proportions. I remember when Viet Nam was a hot zone and all the stupid American hippies were going on about how effective the "unarmed" Vietnamese resisters were. Bullshit. They were not unarmed and those weapons were provided by other government mobs, primarily the Soviets. Had they not been supported in that way, the war would have been over in about 6 weeks and that would have been that.

The Chinese people are utterly disarmed. They cannot even have a shotgun for varmints out in the provinces. Civil disobedience is met with mass murder. The Chinese government holds the lives of other people cheaply. This has been demonstrated apodictically on more occasions than you could count, though I suspect they feel differently about their own lives, of course. Recall the little student demonstration in the Square? How was that met? Where are they now? It is forgotten.

I have NO doubt that the Chinese government would butcher ANY number of people they felt necessary to retain power. Hundred million? No problem. Guaranteed. They are barbarians of an order equal to any that have ever existed on this planet and worse than most, if not the worst of all time. Not only do they have the mentality of their forebears, they now have the mechanization to give real teeth to their agendas. I am sure they have far more bullets than there are people.

[SewrRatt]

Since when was Red China some kind of bastion of freedom?

Since they're de facto freer in many ways than the poor SOBs in Red 'Murica. But like I said, only because there are too many of them to be efficiently subjugated by the regime.

[Keith and stuff]

Since when was Red China some kind of bastion of freedom?

You should ask ChristianAnarchist. He called into Free Talk Live for years and talked about his visits to China. He would mention that the cops were much less threatening in China. He also mentioned how traffic rules were much freer than in the US. He said Cjina has gotten worse over the years.

[QuickZ06]

You should ask ChristianAnarchist. He called into Free Talk Live for years and talked about his visits to China. He would mention that the cops were much less threatening in China. He also mentioned how traffic rules were much freer than in the US. He said Cjina has gotten worse over the years.

I have been there as well and I can say this, the cops were nice as heck to me when I did ask for directions or whatever. Don't know if it was because they knew I was a foreigner but I have seen the way some of our cops treat foreigners here and it makes me sick.

[brushfire]

China reiterates stance on gun control (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-04/21/content_856308.htm)

China Daily
2007-04-21

...
He said strict controls had helped China avoid a US-style "gun culture", and the rampage had proved that it's necessary to maintain this policy.
...
However in China, gun crime is rare, as private citizens are forbidden from owning and selling guns.
...
High profits are deemed the biggest attraction for people who trade illegal guns, although those found guilty of selling guns or explosives face punishment ranging from three years in jail to the death penalty.
...



I agree that getting the United Nations involved is a bad idea, however, its nearly impossible for the Chinese to fight back because guns are practically illegal. Communists know that people with guns are harder to control. How can they fight back?

Poor guy has mistaken the UN for "someone" who really gives a sh!t. His best hope is to start digging and pray for oil.

[2young2vote]

If this is real then it is really sad. Unfortunately, the US government has essentially given China and other 3rd world/developing nations a monopoly on production of most goods. They regulate the economy to the point of forcing manufacturers to find cheaper labor which, of course, is in these other nations. If the US (this includes states and local governments too) stopped regulating private business so much then we could get American made QUALITY goods at Chinese PRICES. The problem is that the people of China can't do much with their money due to their government's insistence on being a part of the business. This results in people being forced to be WORKERS rather than PRODUCERS.

In a perfect world I would save my pennies and start my business in my house or some other cheap location and try to grow it. The problem is the Chinese aren't allowed to do that, and neither are we in the US which means we are at opposite ends of the spectrum. We have high paying jobs with little production, they have low paying jobs with lots of production. We need to find a middle ground that only the free market in a free society can provide.

[LibertyEagle]

Since they're de facto freer in many ways than the poor SOBs in Red 'Murica. But like I said, only because there are too many of them to be efficiently subjugated by the regime.

Are you serious? They have been subjugated for years and years.

[BAllen]

I agree with you in principle about that for any "nation". What you may not know is that people do fight this. I have a friend who returned from China perhaps 3 years ago after 15 years in Beijing; married a Chinese woman and has children etc. The news blackout from China is very complete so what you do not here about are all the "terrorist" bombings that occur. Literally THOUSANDS of them over the years. I do not know if it is still so, but as of perhaps 10 years ago these were DAILY events.

Countrary to popular myth, the intrepid resisters can do next to nothing against a well armed gang when they remain unarmed. The action-at-distance that longarms afford is a tactical advantage of staggering proportions. I remember when Viet Nam was a hot zone and all the stupid American hippies were going on about how effective the "unarmed" Vietnamese resisters were. Bullshit. They were not unarmed and those weapons were provided by other government mobs, primarily the Soviets. Had they not been supported in that way, the war would have been over in about 6 weeks and that would have been that.

The Chinese people are utterly disarmed. They cannot even have a shotgun for varmints out in the provinces. Civil disobedience is met with mass murder. The Chinese government holds the lives of other people cheaply. This has been demonstrated apodictically on more occasions than you could count, though I suspect they feel differently about their own lives, of course. Recall the little student demonstration in the Square? How was that met? Where are they now? It is forgotten.

I have NO doubt that the Chinese government would butcher ANY number of people they felt necessary to retain power. Hundred million? No problem. Guaranteed. They are barbarians of an order equal to any that have ever existed on this planet and worse than most, if not the worst of all time. Not only do they have the mentality of their forebears, they now have the mechanization to give real teeth to their agendas. I am sure they have far more bullets than there are people.

That's right. That's what communists do. Disarm the populace. Tell them it's for their own safety. Same lies, different countries. There really are some stupid people to support gun control, despite the facts. Like that kgb agent said, the useful idiots are blind until the police boot hits them. THEN they see. Fucking idiots! That is why we have to be vocal about the dangers of marxist infiltration. To your family, friends, politicians, etc. Hammer away these points over and over. They're being bombarded by marxist bullshit daily. We must do the same to meet their lies.

[FrankRep]

You should ask ChristianAnarchist. He called into Free Talk Live for years and talked about his visits to China. He would mention that the cops were much less threatening in China. He also mentioned how traffic rules were much freer than in the US. He said Cjina has gotten worse over the years.

China is cracking down harder on the Internet.


China tightens Internet controls, legalizes post deletion (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/28/net-us-china-internet-idUSBRE8BO01320121228)

Reuters
Dec 28, 2012



China unveiled tighter Internet controls on Friday, legalizing the deletion of posts or pages which are deemed to contain "illegal" information and requiring service providers to hand over such information to the authorities for punishment.

The rules signal that the new leadership headed by Communist Party chief Xi Jinping will continue muzzling the often scathing, raucous online chatter in a country where the Internet offers a rare opportunity for debate.

The new regulations, announced by the official Xinhua news agency, also require Internet users to register with their real names when signing up with network providers, though, in reality, this already happens.

Chinese authorities and Internet companies such as Sina Corp have long since closely monitored and censored what people say online, but the government has now put measures such as deleting posts into law.

"Service providers are required to instantly stop the transmission of illegal information once it is spotted and take relevant measures, including removing the information and saving records, before reporting to supervisory authorities," the rules state.
...

[tod evans]

Are you serious? They have been subjugated for years and years.

I've never been to China and don't even know anyone who has first hand knowledge of the social climate there.

I would imagine people there are fed the same kind of propaganda about us that we're fed about them.

Wonder what kind of notes are smuggled into China with the domestic goods we export to them...........Oh-wait....

[tod evans]

The United States announced today that its new data collection center in Utah is operational, it doesn't' matter what pseudonym a person uses while online, if there's subversive chatter technology and legislation now exist where citizens can be held indefinitely without trial.

Subversives outside US borders are subject to missile strikes from unarmed drones for just such chatter.

The United States government doesn't wish to edit posts or delete websites so long as these can be used to help identify those who stand in opposition..


[Sarcastic.........But not really]





China is cracking down harder on the Internet.


China tightens Internet controls, legalizes post deletion (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/28/net-us-china-internet-idUSBRE8BO01320121228)

Reuters
Dec 28, 2012



China unveiled tighter Internet controls on Friday, legalizing the deletion of posts or pages which are deemed to contain "illegal" information and requiring service providers to hand over such information to the authorities for punishment.

The rules signal that the new leadership headed by Communist Party chief Xi Jinping will continue muzzling the often scathing, raucous online chatter in a country where the Internet offers a rare opportunity for debate.

The new regulations, announced by the official Xinhua news agency, also require Internet users to register with their real names when signing up with network providers, though, in reality, this already happens.

Chinese authorities and Internet companies such as Sina Corp have long since closely monitored and censored what people say online, but the government has now put measures such as deleting posts into law.

"Service providers are required to instantly stop the transmission of illegal information once it is spotted and take relevant measures, including removing the information and saving records, before reporting to supervisory authorities," the rules state.
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