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ssunlimited
12-24-2012, 09:56 AM
Here are some that I can think of:
1) Donate money to his campaigns
2) Tell everyone you know about him
3) Put up his signs on your house window and your car's back
4) Make calls to the state's having the primaries and elections
5) Give out his brochures on the street
6) Vote in the debates that he won
7) Vote for him in the primaries

What else?

Bastiat's The Law
12-24-2012, 10:56 AM
Win CPAC in March of 2013 to get his name out there to the public and get him some media interviews.

Agorism
12-24-2012, 01:24 PM
Rand wants to please everyone. Please his colleagues. He doesn't want journalists upset with him and he wants to be politically correct.


I question whether he can galvanize a movement like Ron did.

Matt Collins
12-24-2012, 01:28 PM
Move to Iowa, NH, and/or SC and start organizing, if you really want to do something to help him.

Rudeman
12-24-2012, 05:21 PM
Rand wants to please everyone. Please his colleagues. He doesn't want journalists upset with him and he wants to be politically correct.


I question whether he can galvanize a movement like Ron did.

Are you saying it's a bad thing to not piss of people unnecessarily (it doesn't seem like he has a problem pissing off progressives or other colleagues like McCain, Graham etc.)? Also didn't Romney win the nomination that way?

itshappening
12-24-2012, 05:37 PM
Iowa, NH and S.C!!

we need to build on RP's successful organization in those states.

If he wins 2/3 or 3/3 it's over ! :)

CFL will have a huge role to play. I hope Matt can assure us they will be there when called upon.

Matt McGuire
12-24-2012, 06:55 PM
Whether or not I donate to him depends on who he hires to run his campaign. However, I will be helping at the grassroots level as much as I can.

Rocco
12-24-2012, 07:01 PM
Run for your GOP Precinct Committeeman slot, it will give you a prominent role from which to help Rand win in your state!

John F Kennedy III
12-24-2012, 07:15 PM
For Rand to win the MSM has to be a non factor. The MSM will do the same to him that they did to Ron.

itshappening
12-24-2012, 07:33 PM
For Rand to win the MSM has to be a non factor. The MSM will do the same to him that they did to Ron.

No they won't, he an elected senator and they can't ignore that, plus he will be in the top tier when caucuses come round.

He will get granted plenty of time and attention but they will be rooting for someone else I suspect.

John F Kennedy III
12-24-2012, 07:49 PM
No they won't, he an elected senator and they can't ignore that, plus he will be in the top tier when caucuses come round.

He will get granted plenty of time and attention but they will be rooting for someone else I suspect.

The MSM are controlled by their globalist masters. It's simple. If Rand is truly infiltrating then he will get the Ron Paul treatment. The only way he gets the treatment the globalist puppets get is if they themselves know Rand is also one of their puppets.

We shall see what happens.

Bastiat's The Law
12-24-2012, 10:02 PM
For Rand to win the MSM has to be a non factor. The MSM will do the same to him that they did to Ron.
No media can stop an idea whose time has come.

Bastiat's The Law
12-24-2012, 10:04 PM
The MSM are controlled by their globalist masters. It's simple. If Rand is truly infiltrating then he will get the Ron Paul treatment. The only way he gets the treatment the globalist puppets get is if they themselves know Rand is also one of their puppets.

We shall see what happens.
Talk about confirmation bias, sheesh. Rand is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with some here.

TheTyke
12-25-2012, 02:15 AM
Ron only fell 4% short of winning the popular caucus vote in Iowa. Our redoubled efforts, the growth of the movement, and Rand's skillful maneuverings have to make up just that much for him to become a real player. Then on to NH... We need to start NOW doing everything we can, making connections, and laying the groundwork. No time to lose.

alucard13mmfmj
12-26-2012, 12:46 AM
If Rand can get the nomination (but lose general), I don't mind. Getting to the general election, he can speak to hundreds of millions of people. I suspect he can reach far more people than Ron ever could. Assuming he hasn't changed sides, he should do what he should do to get the nomination.

At anyrate... anyone else going to take the reins and have a better chance of winning? If its not rand... do we have to wait till 2020 for possibly someone to come up? maybe 2024. or 2028. But yeah, unless someone more "pure" comes up and have a chance of winning, I shall at least make one donation of 20.16USD to Rand.

Barrex
12-26-2012, 01:58 AM
No 1 from my perspective: Deal with loose ends.

CaptLouAlbano
12-26-2012, 08:26 AM
At anyrate... anyone else going to take the reins and have a better chance of winning? If its not rand... do we have to wait till 2020 for possibly someone to come up? maybe 2024. or 2028. But yeah, unless someone more "pure" comes up and have a chance of winning, I shall at least make one donation of 20.16USD to Rand.

If you look at things historically, with few exceptions, only veteran Governors and Senators win the nomination of either party. Obama was an exception, being a one term Senator, but we all know he was "fast tracked" by the party insiders. Rand can be another exception to the rule given his name recognition and the ability to inherit much of the grassroots that his father built over the 08 and 12 runs.

So, with all that in mind our "farm team" is many years away from having a realistic shot at the nomination. I think you are right when you say 2024 or 2028.

Matt Collins
12-26-2012, 09:34 AM
If Rand can get the nomination (but lose general), I don't mind. Getting to the general election, he can speak to hundreds of millions of people. I suspect he can reach far more people than Ron ever could. Assuming he hasn't changed sides, he should do what he should do to get the nomination.I think you're looking at this wrong.

Ron does things to spread the message, Rand does things to change policy. In my humble opinion, I don't think 2016 be about spreading a message or an ideology, I think it will be about winning. To get elected you really don't need to change anyone's minds, you just need to get their vote which is a much lower threshold than getting them to understand / accept our philosophy. We just need to make sure that they aren't first turned off by it so that they don't outright reject our candidate before they even hear him speak (which is what happened to Ron - he got defined and was unable to define himself).

While it would be best that as Rand is winning the nomination and hopefully the Presidency, everyone who votes for him will go down the rabbit hole of liberty as we all have, but I honestly don't see that happening. Rand is running differently than Ron. If Rand doesn't get the nomination, he will at least during the course of the campaign be able to shift the debate his direction which is the next best thing.

I guess my point is that we need to mature out of the mentality of "spreading the message" and more into the mentality of "what do I need to do to win?" because the two are very different paths. We of course should spread the message of liberty when the opportunity arises, but realize though that doesn't win elections.

itshappening
12-26-2012, 10:39 AM
If Rand won the nomination and lost the general we would lose him in the Senate and that maybe the case if even he decides to run because of filling deadlines in Kentucky.

Losing him in the Senate would be super bad.

As for candidates beyond 2016... I can only think of Amash being viable, plus he'll be older and more well known by 2020, 24, etc. although congressmen don't tend to win nominations these days.

itshappening
12-26-2012, 10:43 AM
Also we have to face the fact that Clinton running could easily win the presidency on the women votes and the inheritance of the leftist Obama cult (and the database he has built), all the media would be in her pocket and I predict a landslide electoral college win if she runs against any GOP contender.

Do we really want to lose Rand in the senate for that?

I'm starting to think we should sit out 2016 and let it burn then take over.

Uriah
12-26-2012, 11:10 AM
Rand wants to please everyone. Please his colleagues. He doesn't want journalists upset with him and he wants to be politically correct.


I question whether he can galvanize a movement like Ron did.

No, he does not. He opposes almost everyone yet in a firm albeit sometimes roundabout way.

Uriah
12-26-2012, 11:33 AM
Run for your GOP Precinct Committeeman slot, it will give you a prominent role from which to help Rand win in your state!

In Iowa, the next caucus is in early 2014. Get involved before then with your local party. And then run for a Precinct Committeeman position. If you win you will be a party leader come 2016.

The GOP Central Committee of each county are usually the movers and shakers within the party. If you convince these people to support Rand then you've convinced 10-100 times more. The CC has sway.

Know who you talk to. Convincing random people on the street to vote for Rand is nice but think of society like a pyramid. There are people at the top that influence the people below them. Target your audience and you'll get much better results.


Move to Iowa, NH, and/or SC and start organizing, if you really want to do something to help him.


Iowa, NH and S.C!!

we need to build on RP's successful organization in those states.

If he wins 2/3 or 3/3 it's over ! :)

CFL will have a huge role to play. I hope Matt can assure us they will be there when called upon.

The early states MUST be the focus. Along with party leaders, insiders, and activists in those early states.

Ask yourself these questions.

Who gets to vote for Rand first?
How are voters' preferences influenced?
Who is your target audience? (to maximize your affect)

misean
12-26-2012, 01:43 PM
Rand wants to please everyone. Please his colleagues.He doesn't want journalists upset with him and he wants to be politically correct.

I question whether he can galvanize a movement like Ron did.

It's interesting that anyone could come to that conclusion.

anaconda
12-26-2012, 03:21 PM
No they won't, he an elected senator and they can't ignore that, plus he will be in the top tier when caucuses come round.

He will get granted plenty of time and attention but they will be rooting for someone else I suspect.

Senators can be easily ignored. How much do you recall of media & debate coverage of Chris Dodd or Sam Brownback in 2008? Furthermore, Paul will be vilified and marginalized in every imaginable way. He's going to have to do an end run around the main stream media.

Bastiat's The Law
12-26-2012, 06:11 PM
Also we have to face the fact that Clinton running could easily win the presidency on the women votes and the inheritance of the leftist Obama cult (and the database he has built), all the media would be in her pocket and I predict a landslide electoral college win if she runs against any GOP contender.

Do we really want to lose Rand in the senate for that?

I'm starting to think we should sit out 2016 and let it burn then take over.
Rand knows what he's doing. I think he'd eat Hillary for breakfast.

Bastiat's The Law
12-26-2012, 06:16 PM
It's interesting that anyone could come to that conclusion.
Rand pleased John McCain so well that old Johnny boy rants and blames Rand for everything that goes wrong in the Senate now, even when Rand isn't there. :D

Carson
12-26-2012, 06:21 PM
As long as there are those inside AND outside of the government able to counterfeit what ever amount of our currency it takes to get their way an honest dollar backing an honest politician will never get a say in anything.

Ever!

It's over.

Rocco
12-26-2012, 06:24 PM
Yes, this is most important in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. If you are in one of these early states, YOUR participation can make or break this election. We need to double down on our efforts in these 3 (particularly the last 2, but also strengthen our grip on Iowa) to have an attainable shot at front runner status.


In Iowa, the next caucus is in early 2014. Get involved before then with your local party. And then run for a Precinct Committeeman position. If you win you will be a party leader come 2016.

The GOP Central Committee of each county are usually the movers and shakers within the party. If you convince these people to support Rand then you've convinced 10-100 times more. The CC has sway.

Know who you talk to. Convincing random people on the street to vote for Rand is nice but think of society like a pyramid. There are people at the top that influence the people below them. Target your audience and you'll get much better results.





The early states MUST be the focus. Along with party leaders, insiders, and activists in those early states.

Ask yourself these questions.

Who gets to vote for Rand first?
How are voters' preferences influenced?
Who is your target audience? (to maximize your affect)

Bastiat's The Law
12-26-2012, 06:39 PM
I would really like to start planning this with our people in Iowa, NH, SC, NV.

First things first though, let's organize our people on the east coast, and make sure they attend CPAC and push Rand ahead of Rubio.

Uriah
12-26-2012, 06:50 PM
I would really like to start planning this with our people in Iowa, NH, SC, NV.

I am in Iowa and we have a network setup. We are working on keeping people active and bringing others on board.

opal
12-27-2012, 12:42 PM
so.. my parents were here for Xmas.. both RP supporters and in their 80s. Periphrasing my mother about Rand - no one from my generation is going to vote for a kid that threw his dad under the bus in the last month before the election - and say what you will, most of us actually do remember stuff like that.

FSP-Rebel
12-27-2012, 01:34 PM
I am in Iowa and we have a network setup. We are working on keeping people active and bringing others on board.
Bless your heart.

FSP-Rebel
12-27-2012, 01:39 PM
so.. my parents were here for Xmas.. both RP supporters and in their 80s. Periphrasing my mother about Rand - no one from my generation is going to vote for a kid that threw his dad under the bus in the last month before the election - and say what you will, most of us actually do remember stuff like that.
Anecdotal, there's very few Ron supporters in their 80s and even less are aware that Rand endorsed Romney and view this as throwing his dad under the bus. The people that hold this opinion of Rand will eventually come around as the media starts going after him and the lack of fairness will give them the nostalgia of Ron's campaigns.

opal
12-27-2012, 01:48 PM
very few in their 80's.. yeah ok.. but Florida is kinda littered with em - mom plays bingo and goes to the casino sometimes with a whole bunch of them - maybe not all 80+ but seniors and quite a few RP supporters.

Matt Collins
12-27-2012, 03:18 PM
so.. my parents were here for Xmas.. both RP supporters and in their 80s. Periphrasing my mother about Rand - no one from my generation is going to vote for a kid that threw his dad under the bus in the last month before the election - and say what you will, most of us actually do remember stuff like that.Of course not, except that Rand didn't throw his dad under the bus :rolleyes:

Bastiat's The Law
12-27-2012, 03:59 PM
very few in their 80's.. yeah ok.. but Florida is kinda littered with em - mom plays bingo and goes to the casino sometimes with a whole bunch of them - maybe not all 80+ but seniors and quite a few RP supporters.
We got creamed in that demographic. And Florida isn't even in play during the primary for us. It wasn't for Ron and won't be for Rand either.

Rudeman
12-27-2012, 04:08 PM
so.. my parents were here for Xmas.. both RP supporters and in their 80s. Periphrasing my mother about Rand - no one from my generation is going to vote for a kid that threw his dad under the bus in the last month before the election - and say what you will, most of us actually do remember stuff like that.

Rand didn't throw his father under the bus (everyone but some of us viewed it as over), and I have no doubt Ron will be there supporting his son just like Rand supported him.

opal
12-27-2012, 04:28 PM
Just passing along how it was perceived

Rudeman
12-28-2012, 12:27 AM
How did you respond to your parents? Did you reinforce the perception?

compromise
12-28-2012, 06:03 AM
I think Rand could get a little support among older people. He is very conservative on abortion and is a strong fiscal conservative associated with the Tea Party. If he drops his immigration plan he can go after Rubio on that. Hopefully some PACs supporting Rand (or maybe another candidate) also makes ads attacking Rubio's love of sex, drug, cop-killing, expletive filled gangsta rap music. It probably can't come directly from Rand because Rand's sons also like gangsta rap. We just need to somehow ruin Rubio's nice guy reputation.

opal
12-28-2012, 06:54 AM
How did you respond to your parents? Did you reinforce the perception?

I went with the political maneuvering for name recognition theme - she said she'd rather vote for Jesse Ventura

Brett85
12-28-2012, 08:18 AM
so.. my parents were here for Xmas.. both RP supporters and in their 80s. Periphrasing my mother about Rand - no one from my generation is going to vote for a kid that threw his dad under the bus in the last month before the election - and say what you will, most of us actually do remember stuff like that.

People like this are simply hopeless and are a bigger threat to liberty than the liberals and neo-cons.

Feeding the Abscess
12-28-2012, 11:17 AM
Relevant:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/532056_10151362781635726_2040624398_n.jpg

supermario21
12-28-2012, 11:34 AM
And that's why Lew Rockwell will never have a significant impact on anything. I'd rather fight for scraps hoping to eventually turn the conversation in our favor than whine about the government and not actually get anything done. I like Lew, and his ideas are great, but it's that attitude which leads to the state continuing to grow and expand. Sitting on the sidelines doesn't garner any attention.

KingNothing
12-28-2012, 11:39 AM
And that's why Lew Rockwell will never have a significant impact on anything. I'd rather fight for scraps hoping to eventually turn the conversation in our favor than whine about the government and not actually get anything done. I like Lew, and his ideas are great, but it's that attitude which leads to the state continuing to grow and expand. Sitting on the sidelines doesn't garner any attention.

I like that you said "fight for scraps" and not "beg" as Lew said. We aren't begging for anything. Our goal is the same as his -- to completely up-end the apple cart. We just realize that it can't be done unless we actually get close enough to the apple cart to shove it over. That's what we're fighting for --- we're tailoring the message of Liberty in a way that makes it even more marketable than what Lew has done. We're doing everything we can to win as many political seats at the local and national levels in every election so that we might someday in the future have the votes necessary to undo all the harm the establishment has caused. This is NOT something that happens overnight. There will never be a moment of mass-awakening. It will take a generation, or more. Now, with that said, we NEED people like Lew in the movement to CONSTANTLY remind us what the goal really is, and that attaining power for power's sake is meaningless. We need principled people in positions of authority and a mandate to bring about the necessary changes.

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2012, 12:53 PM
Rand didn't throw his father under the bus (everyone but some of us viewed it as over), and I have no doubt Ron will be there supporting his son just like Rand supported him.
The people that still think Rand threw his father under the bus couldn't sell out an Olive Garden. Internet forums inflate their numbers and give them a bullhorn.

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2012, 12:59 PM
I like that you said "fight for scraps" and not "beg" as Lew said. We aren't begging for anything. Our goal is the same as his -- to completely up-end the apple cart. We just realize that it can't be done unless we actually get close enough to the apple cart to shove it over. That's what we're fighting for --- we're tailoring the message of Liberty in a way that makes it even more marketable than what Lew has done. We're doing everything we can to win as many political seats at the local and national levels in every election so that we might someday in the future have the votes necessary to undo all the harm the establishment has caused. This is NOT something that happens overnight. There will never be a moment of mass-awakening. It will take a generation, or more. Now, with that said, we NEED people like Lew in the movement to CONSTANTLY remind us what the goal really is, and that attaining power for power's sake is meaningless. We need principled people in positions of authority and a mandate to bring about the necessary changes.
Beautifully worded. +Rep

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2012, 12:59 PM
I went with the political maneuvering for name recognition theme - she said she'd rather vote for Jesse Ventura
http://s006.radikal.ru/i214/1204/fb/c44193e4d593.jpg

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2012, 01:05 PM
And that's why Lew Rockwell will never have a significant impact on anything. I'd rather fight for scraps hoping to eventually turn the conversation in our favor than whine about the government and not actually get anything done. I like Lew, and his ideas are great, but it's that attitude which leads to the state continuing to grow and expand. Sitting on the sidelines doesn't garner any attention.
If Ron Paul proved anything its that a political seat at the table coupled with a media megaphone is the best educational tool. Changing the minds of 300 million people is a fanciful idea; installing a few hundred like-minded people in Washington and in state governments around the country is a cause worth fighting for. Ron Paul established a beachhead for liberty, it's time to double our efforts and continue the march forward.

supermario21
12-28-2012, 01:21 PM
If Ron Paul proved anything its that a political seat at the table coupled with a media megaphone is the best educational tool. Changing the minds of 300 million people is a fanciful idea; installing a few hundred like-minded people in Washington and in state governments around the country is a cause worth fighting for. Ron Paul established a beachhead for liberty, it's time to double our efforts and continue the march forward.

+rep

I don't know if this is a valid comparison, but the 2004 NDAA was passed with only one Republican no vote (RP) and no nays in the Senate Republican caucus (95-3 overall). Now we're up to 30 Republican no votes in the House on the 2013 NDAA and 7 Senators. The FISA votes show there is still plenty of work to be done, but the movement is clearly showing progress.

compromise
12-29-2012, 03:50 AM
+rep

I don't know if this is a valid comparison, but the 2004 NDAA was passed with only one Republican no vote (RP) and no nays in the Senate Republican caucus (95-3 overall). Now we're up to 30 Republican no votes in the House on the 2013 NDAA and 7 Senators. The FISA votes show there is still plenty of work to be done, but the movement is clearly showing progress.

A lot of the no votes in 2012 and 2013 can be attributed to the infinite detention clause. I don't think many Republicans voted against it because it was military spending, like Ron did in 2004. Even Rand voted for the NDAA when Lee-Feinstein was added.

ican'tvote
12-29-2012, 01:51 PM
Even Rand voted for the post-Lee-Feinstein NDAA.
No he didn't.
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2012/s/229

compromise
12-29-2012, 02:13 PM
No he didn't.
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2012/s/229

That vote was after Lee-Feinstein was removed. Rand voted for the one after Lee-Feinstein was added, he put up a vote explanation on Facebook for it.

ican'tvote
12-29-2012, 02:38 PM
That vote was after Lee-Feinstein was removed. Rand voted for the one after Lee-Feinstein was added, he put up a vote explanation on Facebook for it.
Sorry, I misinterpreted your post to mean that he voted for the NDAA after Lee-Feinstein was removed.

compromise
12-29-2012, 02:58 PM
Sorry, I misinterpreted your post to mean that he voted for the NDAA after Lee-Feinstein was removed.
I apologize if it was unclear. I'll edit it.

tio rio
01-11-2013, 01:52 PM
For those who can't move to Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina, I think the most important things you can do to help Rand Paul 2016 (or any liberty republican) as an individual is 1. Get involved in your county republican party and go to their monthly meetings, drag your friends along and work on making your county party liberty friendly. 2. Get involved with your local conservative media, make sure they know who you are! 3. Run for local/state office yourself as a liberty republican in 2014 or support others who are running in your local/state races.

FriedChicken
01-11-2013, 04:59 PM
Now is an awesome time to get involved in your GOP. A problem with 2012 is that the GOP seemed flooded with 'new blood' all at once and were unsettled by it.
If you get involved now and get to know all the other members you won't be seen as a threat in 2016.

There were a few "familiar faces" in the GOP that were a HUGE help to all the newbies (like myself) who were getting involved. I plan to stay involved and add to the momentum next time by sharing any influence, advice, knowledge, etc. (sometimes just simply introducing people) with any new liberty advocates getting involved.

2016 will be a very exciting year methinks.

Uriah
01-11-2013, 06:58 PM
For those who can't move to Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina, I think the most important things you can do to help Rand Paul 2016 (or any liberty republican) as an individual is 1. Get involved in your county republican party and go to their monthly meetings, drag your friends along and work on making your county party liberty friendly. 2. Get involved with your local conservative media, make sure they know who you are! 3. Run for local/state office yourself as a liberty republican in 2014 or support others who are running in your local/state races.

Great advice!


Now is an awesome time to get involved in your GOP. A problem with 2012 is that the GOP seemed flooded with 'new blood' all at once and were unsettled by it.
If you get involved now and get to know all the other members you won't be seen as a threat in 2016.

There were a few "familiar faces" in the GOP that were a HUGE help to all the newbies (like myself) who were getting involved. I plan to stay involved and add to the momentum next time by sharing any influence, advice, knowledge, etc. (sometimes just simply introducing people) with any new liberty advocates getting involved.

2016 will be a very exciting year methinks.

Methinks so too!

Rocco
01-11-2013, 07:05 PM
+Reps to Tio Rio, FriedChicken and Uriah! THIS is how we win, and as supporters who have an understanding of this strategy it is our DUTY to spread this message throughout the liberty movement and make sure that everybody knows this is THE SINGLE BIGGEST way they can help Rand 16 without uprooting themselves to Iowa, NH or SC/Nevada

VictorB
01-11-2013, 07:19 PM
Make sure he wins Iowa. Look at what it did for Santorum. Hell, look at what coming in a close 3rd did for Ron Paul. Ron had a strong 2nd in NH and to the surprise of many (including his own campaign) he was polling in the 20's in SC. If Rand can win Iowa convincingly, then we're going to be able to pick off some earlier states where we thought we couldn't. It'll star to snowball.

P3ter_Griffin
01-13-2013, 07:28 PM
We got creamed in that demographic. And Florida isn't even in play during the primary for us. It wasn't for Ron and won't be for Rand either.

I guess with Rubio presumably running we may not have a great shot at Florida, but overall I don't see us having the same demographic problems we had in '12. AFAIK Rand hasn't shown himself to be the non-interventionist Ron is, which seemed to be why republicans hated Ron :( .

compromise
01-13-2013, 07:58 PM
I guess with Rubio presumably running we may not have a great shot at Florida, but overall I don't see us having the same demographic problems we had in '12. AFAIK Rand hasn't shown himself to be the non-interventionist Ron is, which seemed to be why republicans hated Ron :( .

I don't think foreign policy is why they like Rand, more to do with Rand's rhetoric and presentation. After the Boehner committee purge, Amash became pretty popular among conservatives, and I don't think that's because he voted for Israel foreign aid or one type of Iran sanctions. Most conservatives don't even know. But Amash, one of the most fiscally conservative members of the House angrily voting against Boehner or Rand, one of the most conservative Senators, giving a speech on the Senate floor about thr fiscal cliff deal being a sham is something they really like.

rodo1776
01-14-2013, 06:24 AM
In addition to all the good suggestions above. Like organizing and taking over ALL party spots we can, I believe that the way Obama won in terms of the secret weapon so to speak, that took him over the top was his clear superiority in database management and GOTV management.
If we could set up a super high tech managed program to work databases, Voter ID, email and social media management for locating supporters and testing messages for campaign contributions that is a very important aspect.
Do we not have some of the best computer geeks (in the good sense) that can get something like this started? It would be valuable even if Rand only ran for reelection to the Senate.

Here is a story on Obama's Operation:

http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/07/inside-the-secret-world-of-quants-and-data-crunchers-who-helped-obama-win/

And the lame one Romney had

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Orca-How-the-Romney-Campaign-Suppressed-Its-Own-Vote

Working Poor
01-14-2013, 04:06 PM
Keep him from making abortion his primary issue. I know most of us are pro life but, if he lets the repubs make this the #1 issue he won't win I promise you that much.

ZENemy
01-14-2013, 04:20 PM
Rand knows what he's doing. I think he'd eat Hillary for breakfast.

It is my opinion that:

Nobody can beat the FIRST women president, with the climate this country is in, everyone is looking for a Savior, the "first" women ever will be the next saviour just like Obama was the first "black" president. Imagine what a women can get away with "She is a women, its not in her nature to start war" she will be the WORST we have seen yet.

You people need to stop thinking like do good libertarians, think like the sheep that inhabit this country and all your answers become clear.

Bastiat's The Law
01-14-2013, 04:39 PM
It is my opinion that:

Nobody can beat the FIRST women president, with the climate this country is in, everyone is looking for a Savior, the "first" women ever will be the next saviour just like Obama was the first "black" president. Imagine what a women can get away with "She is a women, its not in her nature to start war" she will be the WORST we have seen yet.

You people need to stop thinking like do good libertarians, think like the sheep that inhabit this country and all your answers become clear.
Obama beat Hillary in Iowa using good organization and even made her cry in NH. She's a fragile power-obsessed woman.

ZENemy
01-14-2013, 04:46 PM
Obama beat Hillary in Iowa using good organization and even made her cry in NH. She's a fragile power-obsessed woman.

Yes and now will be OUT of the picture. She is a Fragile, power obsessed women just like 99.9% of the lot.

American likes to bank on the "first" to do something, the "first" women president will be a spectacle RIGHT after the first black president (you see world, look how progressive we are)

Comparing Senate/Congress races to the shock and aww of the the presidential race cannot be done fairly.