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AuH20
12-23-2012, 12:53 AM
Top to bottom socialists it seems. Remember that close to 70% support Obamacare. There is definitely a cultural disconnect of some kind which goes far beyond any political miscommunication by Republicans.

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr038-11.shtml


Among the poll’s key findings:

69 percent of Latino voters believe laws governing the sale of guns should be stronger and 24 percent believe laws should be kept as they are now, and only five percent of Latinos believe gun laws should be less strict.
A large majority of Latinos, including more than 70 percent of Latino Republicans, Latino gun owners and Latinos over 50, believe that people from other states should not be allowed to carry a loaded and concealed gun in their state unless they meet their state’s legal requirements.
Nearly nine in ten Latinos – 86 percent – support requiring all gun buyers to pass a criminal background check, no matter where they buy the gun and no matter who they buy it from. Today, only federally licensed gun dealers are required to perform background checks, although 40 percent of U.S. gun sales are conducted through unlicensed sellers.
76 percent of Latinos favor a new Obama Administration program requiring gun dealers in border states to report when someone attempts to buy more than one semi-automatic assault rifle within a five-day period.

jkob
12-23-2012, 12:56 AM
Polls on this are completely useless right now and ridiculously bias regardless given the wording. The hysteria will soon pass.

AuH20
12-23-2012, 12:57 AM
Polls on this are completely useless right now and ridiculously bias regardless given the wording. The hysteria will soon pass.

True. But this poll was conducted last year. It's probably upward of 75% if taken today. LOL

FreeHampshire
12-23-2012, 01:00 AM
It's working out great in Mexico. Criminals have guns, while peaceful Mormon types in safe communities are denied access to guns except for hunting or shooting ranges.

AuH20
12-23-2012, 01:02 AM
It's working out great in Mexico. Criminals have guns, while peaceful Mormon types in safe communities are denied access to guns except for hunting or shooting ranges.

Roughly 50,000 Mexicans were killed the last 6 years in a nation where private gun ownership is practically non-existent.

cbrons
12-23-2012, 01:04 AM
Polls on this are completely useless right now and ridiculously bias regardless given the wording. The hysteria will soon pass.
True. Question is will the hysteria be over in time for the Feinstein-NAZI "assault" on your rights ban?

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 01:17 AM
True. But this poll was conducted last year. It's probably upward of 75% if taken today. LOL

Zing!

That's gotta hurt.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 01:18 AM
Roughly 50,000 Mexicans were killed the last 6 years in a nation where private gun ownership is practically non-existent.

Well, it helps if the nation to the north uses official government policy to arm drug warlords.

Rudeman
12-23-2012, 01:31 AM
You're quoting a poll from mayors against illegal guns? Might as well be quoting from Democratic Underground.

BTW there was a gallup poll (posted in a thread earlier today) stating that 63% of the people polled would support a ban on auto and semi-auto guns.

CaptainAmerica
12-23-2012, 01:32 AM
Don't know where you're getting your info,I don't know anyone in my entire extended family who supports banning guns. Fuck this race baiting bullshit

AuH20
12-23-2012, 01:37 AM
Don't know where you're getting your info,I don't know anyone in my entire extended family who supports banning guns. Fuck this race baiting bullshit

I'm not race baiting anyone. It's a cultural issue as opposed to a race issue. Experiences and environment mold a philosophy, for good or bad. Most hispanics hail from locales where gun violence is prevalent or has been prevalent during past periods of societal upheaval (take El Salvador for example). This isn't shocking that they would be averse to firearms on average or assign a negative connotation to firearm ownership, given their harrowing experiences with such instruments of death.

aGameOfThrones
12-23-2012, 01:47 AM
A few years ago a lady got killed who had her application papers for a gun permit laying on her table the same day she got killed(It takes a while to get a gun permit in puerto Rico). BTW, she was killed by a worker she fired for stealing, after he began making threats she decided to apply for the permit.

Confederate
12-23-2012, 01:58 AM
Roughly 50,000 Mexicans were killed the last 6 years in a nation where private gun ownership is practically non-existent.

That's not totally true. Firearm ownership in Mexico is actually quite common outside cities. The Mexican Constitution also guarantees the right to a firearm within the home (it was modified in 1971 removing the right to bear arms outside the home).


Article 10: The inhabitants of the United Mexican States have the right keep to arms in their homes, for security and legitimate defense, with the exception of those prohibited by federal law and those reserved for the exclusive use of the Army, Navy, Air Force and National Guard. Federal law will determine the cases, conditions, requirements, and places in which the carrying of arms will be authorized to the inhabitants.


Of course there are a lot of limitations to what firearms can be possessed, such as the caliber (nothing above 9mm for pistols, for example), but the it's much less restrictive than DC was until Heller.

John F Kennedy III
12-23-2012, 02:17 AM
Don't know where you're getting your info,I don't know anyone in my entire extended family who supports banning guns. Fuck this race baiting bullshit

I don't take it as race baiting.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 02:32 AM
I don't take it as race baiting.

Neither do I.

Cody1
12-23-2012, 02:44 AM
No race baiting in here. It is most definitely a misguided culture phenomena, just like our vastly ill educated non hispanic population in America

FreeHampshire
12-23-2012, 02:46 AM
That's not totally true. Firearm ownership in Mexico is actually quite common outside cities. The Mexican Constitution also guarantees the right to a firearm within the home (it was modified in 1971 removing the right to bear arms outside the home).


That's rather odd. The documentary on Vice concerning the Mormons in Mexico stated that the Mormons weren't allowed to carry guns unless its for hunting or at a gun range. Only the criminals had guns.

tod evans
12-23-2012, 05:03 AM
Well, it helps if the nation to the north uses official government policy to arm drug warlords.

One of the most vile "Drug Warlords" in existence, Ms, Michele Leonhart "Lord" of the DEA


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Michele_Leonhart_official_photo.jpg/343px-Michele_Leonhart_official_photo.jpg

truelies
12-23-2012, 06:14 AM
Top to bottom socialists it seems. Remember that close to 70% support Obamacare. There is definitely a cultural disconnect of some kind which goes far beyond any political miscommunication by Republicans.

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/media-center/pr038-11.shtml


yeah...................worked great for them in Mexico didn't it.

Neil Desmond
12-23-2012, 07:16 AM
My mother is from Colombia and I grew up speaking both English and Spanish as first languages, so I think I qualify as "hispanic."

I am totally opposed to gun bans and restrictions, and that includes conceal carry (to me, requiring a permit to conceal carry goes against the 2nd amendment).

nobody's_hero
12-23-2012, 07:19 AM
I'm not race baiting anyone. It's a cultural issue as opposed to a race issue. Experiences and environment mold a philosophy, for good or bad. Most hispanics hail from locales where gun violence is prevalent or has been prevalent during past periods of societal upheaval (take El Salvador for example). This isn't shocking that they would be averse to firearms on average or assign a negative connotation to firearm ownership, given their harrowing experiences with such instruments of death.

I try this argument here all the time and for some reason it just doesn't float. Prepare to be flamed.

Brett85
12-23-2012, 07:32 AM
It's still not a reason to give up on the Latino vote. The fact is that the Republican Party will be a parmanent minority if they can't get a larger share of the Hispanic vote. (For those who actually care about the Republican Party)

MelissaWV
12-23-2012, 08:42 AM
Three-page thread, three Hispanics, and no one asked any of us or our families.

I do think it lines up pretty squarely with the results you'd get if you asked the general population and skewed it to have the same reinforcing demographics, which makes me wonder what the purpose is behind zooming in on "Hispanics." Did anyone think to ask if the people being polled even knew the level of gun restrictions in place at that time? If you watch the news, it seems like you just walk up to a table, pick one out, and head home. That's really not the case most places anymore. A decent poll establishes the respondant's level of awareness and proficiency on a topic before taking their response.

It isn't "race baiting" but it certainly is ugly. RPFs does love to put up polls that focus on race, culture, religion, or gender. It's the same thing the MSM positively wets itself to do, so that it can then analyze the results without actually delving into the raw data.

It is the frustration of everyone on here as a minority group trying to still work to get people elected, and to live within society: people want to appear fair, then they divide up the data by demographics that don't make any sense and go out of their way to show how ignorant they are. What polls like this are saying is that Mexicans and Cubans and Chileans and Colombians and Puerto Ricans and everyone else whose nation of origin --- or parents' nation of origin --- speaks Spanish, belongs in the same group. Does that sound right? Or is this another MSM meme that you've taken to heart?

Oh and earlier I did say minority. Guess what? Just by being on RPF, you are a minority... and your opinion is disregarded, or added up so that some idiot who's already made 10,000 assumptions about you can point out that the GOP shouldn't "give up" on your vote.

You might also want to look at a list of LRP's polls and surveys before you give this one so much weight and even talk about acting based upon its results.


Voters are particularly concerned that, under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA), chemicals in existence prior to 1976 were grandfathered in and allowed to be used and produced in the U.S. without testing or a demonstration of safety. (87 percent were somewhat or very concerned; 66 percent were very concerned). Eighty percent of voters were concerned that the EPA was unsuccessful in banning asbestos under the current law. Eighty-four percent were concerned that EPA has mandated testing of barely 200 out of the more than 80,000 chemicals on the market in the years that TSCA has been in effect.

“What’s really surprising is that voters across almost all demographic groups—Democrats, Republicans and Independents, said that they didn’t think that regulations on chemicals are strong enough,” said pollster Celinda Lake. “People definitely are not confident about how chemicals are currently regulated, but they’re ready to give the EPA authority to protect consumers.”

:rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 09:00 AM
I try this argument here all the time and for some reason it just doesn't float. Prepare to be flamed.

Meh, nothing new here.

It's all about race for everybody else, when minority voters are monolithic in one direction.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 09:03 AM
Kids that witnessed their classmates/teachers being killed are less traumatized than the people on RPFs. I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised that Ron didn't do better.

Not particularly.

Just well aware that when the crocodile tears start flowing after such an event, the sure fire result will be the loss of even more freedom, which is the reason all of us are here in the first place.

MelissaWV
12-23-2012, 09:04 AM
Meh, nothing new here.

It's all about race for everybody else, when minority voters are monolithic in one direction.

It's a poll about guns with Bloomberg's name at the bottom. Aside from the lumping together bullcrap I already mentioned, his name on there alone should be an alarm bell that this survey was cherrypicked.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 09:18 AM
It's a poll about guns with Bloomberg's name at the bottom. Aside from the lumping together bullcrap I already mentioned, his name on there alone should be an alarm bell that this survey was cherrypicked.

Fair point.

Here's one not associated with Bloomberg.

http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/04/4-25-12-4.png

Now, I have a problem with millions and millions of people waltzing into my home, and becoming an almost monolithic voting bloc, aligned toward taking my rights away.

I'd be just as pissed off if it were a bunch of white Russians or Ukrainians.

I suppose I could be told at this point, "What right do you have to call it your home? "You people" just stole it from aboriginal natives anyway!"

If that's how it's going to go down, fuck it all, ya'll can have the mess this has become, and I'll find my way back to northern Europe somewhere.

Finland's not too bad, I hear.

MelissaWV
12-23-2012, 09:29 AM
Fair point.

Here's one not associated with Bloomberg.

http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/04/4-25-12-4.png

Now, I have a problem with millions and millions of people waltzing into my home, and becoming an almost monolithic voting bloc, aligned toward taking my rights away.

I'd be just as pissed off if it were a bunch of white Russians or Ukrainians.

I suppose I could be told at this point, "What right do you have to call it your home? "You people" just stole it from aboriginal natives anyway!"

If that's how it's going to go down, fuck it all, ya'll can have the mess this has become, and I'll find my way back to northern Europe somewhere.

Finland's not too bad, I hear.

Actually, that's an interesting little graph, because it doesn't really break down "Hispanic" other than to tell you they are included in the other races (Hispanics are of any race). The other lines are heading upwards as well. It would seem, as RPFers suspect, that there's a much bigger problem.

AuH20
12-23-2012, 09:40 AM
No race baiting in here. It is most definitely a misguided culture phenomena, just like our vastly ill educated non hispanic population in America

Correct. No one here is insinuating that Hispanics or Latinos are substandard, immoral races. On the contrary, many are very generous, god-fearing, hardworking people deserving of our respect. But we can't deny that there is a vast cultural divide in terms of the way that they view the world and manner in which some 3rd & 4th generation Americans do.

There is something about the American experiment which catalyzed a more fervent type of liberty in the populace than any other place in the world, thanks in large part to the significant private property rights wrangled by the general public. And certainly this sense of freedom is waning to historically low levels, but nevertheless it still defines many who it call this nation home.

KrokHead
12-23-2012, 09:53 AM
Most people support gun control because TV says so and that firearms are becoming increasingly taboo. It doesn't help that the media image of a gun owner is a "miltia nutjob."

AuH20
12-23-2012, 10:01 AM
It's still not a reason to give up on the Latino vote. The fact is that the Republican Party will be a parmanent minority if they can't get a larger share of the Hispanic vote. (For those who actually care about the Republican Party)


True. But how do you communicate to them that Obamacare and gun control is not in their best interest???? Most people, especially those the least educated, will always take the seemingly easy, prescribed solution with short-term, instant benefits, as opposed to meticulously breaking down the issue logically & not emotionally.

Brian4Liberty
12-23-2012, 10:30 AM
Top to bottom socialists it seems. Remember that close to 70% support Obamacare.

Santa Claus is popular.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 11:47 AM
Santa Claus is popular.

And freedom, at least how it is historically defined and how most of us define it, is not.

Origanalist
12-23-2012, 12:01 PM
Fair point.

Here's one not associated with Bloomberg.

http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/04/4-25-12-4.png

Now, I have a problem with millions and millions of people waltzing into my home, and becoming an almost monolithic voting bloc, aligned toward taking my rights away.

I'd be just as pissed off if it were a bunch of white Russians or Ukrainians.

I suppose I could be told at this point, "What right do you have to call it your home? "You people" just stole it from aboriginal natives anyway!"

If that's how it's going to go down, fuck it all, ya'll can have the mess this has become, and I'll find my way back to northern Europe somewhere.

Finland's not too bad, I hear.

I feel that same way quite often these days. If I could afford it I probably would.

Brian4Liberty
12-23-2012, 12:29 PM
And freedom, at least how it is historically defined and how most of us define it, is not.

You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake

With little tin badges and tight rubber gloves
Shooty shoot shoots and rummy bum clubs
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town!

MelissaWV
12-23-2012, 12:41 PM
You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake

With little tin badges and tight rubber gloves
Shooty shoot shoots and rummy bum clubs
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town!

See something, say something.

Brian4Liberty
12-23-2012, 12:43 PM
See something, say something.

Santa knows all.

Carson
12-23-2012, 12:48 PM
Not any of them that I know of.

CaptainAmerica
12-23-2012, 12:52 PM
I'm not race baiting anyone. It's a cultural issue as opposed to a race issue. Experiences and environment mold a philosophy, for good or bad. Most hispanics hail from locales where gun violence is prevalent or has been prevalent during past periods of societal upheaval (take El Salvador for example). This isn't shocking that they would be averse to firearms on average or assign a negative connotation to firearm ownership, given their harrowing experiences with such instruments of death. You just gotta scapegoat some other race because the majority of congress is what race that actually write the bill? Lets just drop the subject,its stupid.

Brian4Liberty
12-23-2012, 12:52 PM
Actually, that's an interesting little graph, because it doesn't really break down "Hispanic" other than to tell you they are included in the other races (Hispanics are of any race).

It goes to show that these categories are apples and oranges. They are attempting to create categories for comparison as if they were mutually exclusive, which they aren't. They might as well include "American", "tall", "short" and "other" as groupings.

Carson
12-23-2012, 12:54 PM
The only thing I've seen a sharp rise in is the way the criminals tally votes. I suppose one could easily rename the chart Anti Federalist
posted. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?399371-Hispanics-Overwhelmingly-Support-Stricter-Gun-Control-Measures&p=4788230&viewfull=1#post4788230)

Check out this video with Matt McDonald at about 3:20 or so and see what I mean. This is pretty much how the Primary started and pushed on bold as brass right on through the Primary Process. I'm not saying that is where the fraud started or where it has ended it just became clear to me we can't take anyone else's word on anything anymore.

I'm not even sure if I would trust a video of a show of hands.

Maine Voter Fraud - Reality Check by Benn Swann

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZMWC7GsNeM

They were always running off with the ballot boxes...for safety?

Even if we had a system that every voter had a credit card they could charge with their vote and then plug it into a computer that had the tally, and entered or withdrew their vote, and watched it go either up or down, you still wouldn't know for sure the real tally.

Society is over as we have known it. They've lied way to many times way to often to ever be trusted again.


Besides as long as we have some that are allowed to counterfeit the money supply when ever, or for what ever amount it takes to get their way, we will remain subservient in every aspect of life. Every aspect.

MelissaWV
12-23-2012, 01:10 PM
It goes to show that these categories are apples and oranges. They are attempting to create categories for comparison as if they were mutually exclusive, which they aren't. They might as well include "American", "tall", "short" and "other" as groupings.

Yep. The only thing it tells me is that (since ALL of the lines are trending sharply towards wanting stricter measures) we are in big trouble.

Brian4Liberty
12-23-2012, 01:17 PM
Yep. The only thing it tells me is that (since ALL of the lines are trending sharply towards wanting stricter measures) we are in big trouble.

Actually, on that particular chart, lines going up are a good thing (supporting guns rights). ;)

manny229
12-23-2012, 01:19 PM
".... only five percent of Latinos believe gun laws should be less strict....."

I guess that places my family and I in the 5%....

John F Kennedy III
12-23-2012, 01:22 PM
It's still not a reason to give up on the Latino vote. The fact is that the Republican Party will be a parmanent minority if they can't get a larger share of the Hispanic vote. (For those who actually care about the Republican Party)

If we want to win elections it is best to convert as many as possible. Don't let polls stop you from getting us some Liberty candidates in office.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2012, 01:35 PM
Santa Claus is popular.


You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake

With little tin badges and tight rubber gloves
Shooty shoot shoots and rummy bum clubs
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town!


See something, say something.


Santa knows all.

Ms. Claus disapproves.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/janet2-620x438.jpg

Carson
12-23-2012, 02:24 PM
Actually, on that particular chart, lines going up are a good thing (supporting guns rights). ;)

Oh then. Never mind.

Carson
12-23-2012, 02:26 PM
".... only five percent of Latinos believe gun laws should be less strict....."

I guess that places my family and I in the 5%....


Which is probably more like 95%.

Hey but who's counting...

no. I mean really who's counting. :D


"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)

Confederate
12-23-2012, 02:32 PM
That's rather odd. The documentary on Vice concerning the Mormons in Mexico stated that the Mormons weren't allowed to carry guns unless its for hunting or at a gun range. Only the criminals had guns.

Getting a carry permit is very difficult in Mexico, almost impossible if you don't know the right people (ie: have money). But the right to have a gun at home is constitutionally protected.

MelissaWV
12-23-2012, 02:32 PM
Actually, on that particular chart, lines going up are a good thing (supporting guns rights). ;)

That's why I'm here... the extra set of eyes lol

Philhelm
12-23-2012, 03:19 PM
My wife is half-Mexican, but since the U.S. has always abided by the "One Drop Rule," that means she is all Mexican. She doesn't like burritos though, which is sad since I really like burritos. Come to think of it, she's not Catholic either.

tod evans
12-23-2012, 03:26 PM
I like burritos............Narry a drop of Mexican blood here.

Brian4Liberty
12-23-2012, 03:49 PM
The San Diego style of burrito has been described as "austere" and "simple". A carne asada burrito in San Diego, for example, can consist solely of chunks of carne asada and guacamole, or carne asada, guacamole, and pico de gallo salsa, without other ingredients such as rice and beans.

The best kind!

Brian4Liberty
12-23-2012, 04:04 PM
Ms. Claus disapproves.


The elves cower in fear when she passes.

Brett85
12-23-2012, 04:18 PM
True. But how do you communicate to them that Obamacare and gun control is not in their best interest???? Most people, especially those the least educated, will always take the seemingly easy, prescribed solution with short-term, instant benefits, as opposed to meticulously breaking down the issue logically & not emotionally.

Well, I think what Rand has basically been saying is that before they'll even listen to us, we can't be seen as being hostile towards them. I've always been an immigration hawk, but I think Rand's probably right about that, and those of us who are immigration hawks may have to compromise on that issue at least to some degree. That won't solve the problem, but it may at least make them more likely to listen to our arguments.

Carson
12-23-2012, 04:24 PM
The San Diego style of burrito has been described as "austere" and "simple". A carne asada burrito in San Diego, for example, can consist solely of chunks of carne asada and guacamole, or carne asada, guacamole, and pico de gallo salsa, without other ingredients such as rice and beans.

The best kind!

I've had some great burritos up and down the California coast and on into Mexico. I think one of my favorite places was about the farthest north I got. There was a Mexican Restaurant near where we worked that had burritos about the size of those presto fire logs. It was like a whole combination plate rolled up in a blanket size tortilla.

I think this was the place but the name seems odd. It's been a long time.

https://plus.google.com/110275711482888010342/about?gl=us&hl=en

They had one of those things that had pork piled up on it that would spin as it roasted. If that was what you chose they would shave some down off of the sides as it turned and toss it on the grill to get it ready for you.

Southron
12-23-2012, 04:40 PM
It's still not a reason to give up on the Latino vote. The fact is that the Republican Party will be a parmanent minority if they can't get a larger share of the Hispanic vote. (For those who actually care about the Republican Party)

If we absolutely have to import more foreigners, then by all means let's import people more amenable to our founding values. Salvation is not going to come from south of the border.

Origanalist
12-23-2012, 04:47 PM
If we absolutely have to import more foreigners, then by all means let's import people more amenable to our founding values. Salvation is not going to come from south of the border.

Hell, our own population isn't amenable to our founding values. Maybe we should think about deporting those dependent on gubmint.

tod evans
12-23-2012, 04:51 PM
Hell, our own population isn't amenable to our founding values. Maybe we should think about deporting those dependent on gubmint.

Here-here!

Origanalist
12-23-2012, 04:57 PM
All this talk about Mexican food is making me hungry, it's my favorite. And to make matters worse there's a crockpot full of home made chili cooking in the kitchen and it smells heavenly. :toady:

Brett85
12-23-2012, 05:03 PM
If we absolutely have to import more foreigners, then by all means let's import people more amenable to our founding values. Salvation is not going to come from south of the border.

We should just create a guest worker program, so that all the Latinos can come here and work, but they wouldn't be allowed to vote.

AuH20
12-23-2012, 05:12 PM
We should just create a guest worker program, so that all the Latinos can come here and work, but they wouldn't be allowed to vote.

If we had the proper societal filters as opposed to wanton multiculturalism encoded in our various institutions, we could actually bring in the right type of immigrant from south of the border. The type that would want to take a step towards American Liberty and Western Civilization as opposed to transforming their new country into a facisimile of their old. But that horse has left the barn many decades ago. Now it is our "obligation" and "responsibility" to be the world's halfway house with no predetermined ground rules. The inmates are running the asylum so to speak, in this mad dash to feather their ethnic nest by any means necessary.

tod evans
12-23-2012, 05:14 PM
We should just create a guest worker program, so that all the Latinos can come here and work, but they wouldn't be allowed to vote.

No more new government anything!

Repeal the bills-n-laws that permit unethical behavior in the first place...

Southron
12-23-2012, 05:33 PM
Hell, our own population isn't amenable to our founding values. Maybe we should think about deporting those dependent on gubmint.

Our own population is made up of people we allow to immigrate here. I think mass German immigration is responsible for all the changes that took place in the early 20th Century. Political beliefs don't usually change overnight.

MelissaWV
12-23-2012, 05:38 PM
Another thread that goes out of its way to confuse "Hispanics" with "(probably illegal) immigrants."

aGameOfThrones
12-23-2012, 06:08 PM
Another thread that goes out of its way to confuse "Hispanics" with "(probably illegal) immigrants."

Blame the mexican'ts

Zippyjuan
12-23-2012, 06:55 PM
Hell, our own population isn't amenable to our founding values. Maybe we should think about deporting those dependent on gubmint.

Yeah- who needs all those church-going people ruining our Sundays? (hispanics are the most likely group to attend Church at least once a week- more so than whites).

Zippyjuan
12-23-2012, 06:58 PM
All this talk about Mexican food is making me hungry, it's my favorite. And to make matters worse there's a crockpot full of home made chili cooking in the kitchen and it smells heavenly. :toady:

Makes me want to go to Rubio's and pick up a couple Fish Tacos Especiales (with guacamole) and a Corona. Their original store is just a few blocks from me.

tod evans
12-23-2012, 06:59 PM
Yeah- who needs all those church-going people ruining our Sundays? (hispanics are the most likely group to attend Church at least once a week- more so than whites).

Are you suggesting that religious affiliations are an excuse for sucking the government tit?

Origanalist
12-23-2012, 07:17 PM
Makes me want to go to Rubio's and pick up a couple Fish Tacos Especiales (with guacamole) and a Corona. Their original store is just a few blocks from me.

Mmmmm..... creamy sauce, cabbage and plenty of pico de gala and a squeeze of lime. :)

Zippyjuan
12-23-2012, 08:53 PM
Are you suggesting that religious affiliations are an excuse for sucking the government tit?

The post suggested that immigrants didn't have values (at least not the same ones as the Founding Fathers). I guess going to church isn't one of those values?

Are you suggesting that they are all on welfare?

http://www.ehow.com/about_4675101_welfare-statistics.html


Welfare is the name given to a set of interconnected programs aimed at low income families. Programs include job training and family planning. It also includes cash assistance. In 1994, whites made up 38 percent of all welfare recipients, blacks 37 percent, and Hispanics 17 percent.


Effects

For the most part, welfare is a transient program. Recipients don't remain on the program forever. Fewer than 20 percent of all people on welfare remain on the program for more than seven months. Another 20 percent are on welfare for one to two years. Still, 27 percent remain on welfare for two to five years. Of all welfare recipients, 20 percent remain on welfare more than five years.

Read more: About Welfare Statistics | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_4675101_welfare-statistics.html#ixzz2FvzAI1RC

Zippyjuan
12-23-2012, 08:58 PM
Mmmmm..... creamy sauce, cabbage and plenty of pico de gala and a squeeze of lime. :)

Yogurt is supposed to be the base of their "secret sauce". Then they also have their "secret spices" in the breading.

A "copycat" recipe: http://www.food.com/recipe/copycat-rubios-fish-tacos-209454

Carson
12-24-2012, 12:10 AM
Another thread that goes out of its way to confuse "Hispanics" with "(probably illegal) immigrants."

It probably isn't based so much on morality as it is on math. :D

Origanalist
12-24-2012, 12:35 AM
Yogurt is supposed to be the base of their "secret sauce". Then they also have their "secret spices" in the breading.

A "copycat" recipe: http://www.food.com/recipe/copycat-rubios-fish-tacos-209454

Cool, saved for future enjoyment. :)

Anti Federalist
12-24-2012, 01:48 AM
Makes me want to go to Rubio's and pick up a couple Fish Tacos Especiales (with guacamole) and a Corona. Their original store is just a few blocks from me.


Mmmmm..... creamy sauce, cabbage and plenty of pico de gala and a squeeze of lime. :)

Sorry boys, but a fish taco just sounds plain flat out disgusting to me.

Origanalist
12-24-2012, 02:14 AM
Sorry boys, but a fish taco just sounds plain flat out disgusting to me.

from the link

Ingredients:
Servings:

.12 (1 -1 1/2 ounce) cod, pieces
12 corn tortillas
BEER BATTER
1 cup flour
1 cup beer
garlic powder (to taste) pepper (to taste) WHITE SAUCE
1/2 cup mayonnaise
1/2 cup yogurt
SALSA
1 garlic clove, peeled and minced
6 tomatoes, ripe, peeled, seeded and diced
1/2 onion, minced
2 cilantro leaves, chopped, stems removed
2 jalapeno chiles, seeded and chopped
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1/4 teaspoon pepper
oil (for deep frying) GARNISH
1 head green cabbage, shredded
1 lime, cut into wedges
Directions:
1
Mix flour with favorite spices such as garlic powder, red or black ground pepper.
2
Stir the flour mixture into the beer and mix until well blended.
3
Wash fish by dipping in cold, lightly salted water or water with a little bit of lemon juice added. Be sure fish is completely dry before dipping into batter.
4
Prepare salsa; reserve.
5
Put the vegetable oil into a deep skillet and bring to 375°F
6
Place fish in a single layer--do not let pieces touch each other.
7
Cook fish until batter is crispy and golden brown.
8
Heat corn tortillas lightly in a skillet or Mexican comal until they are soft and hot.
9
To assemble, on each tortilla layer the fish fillet, white sauce, salsa and cabbage. Top it off with a squeeze of lime. Fold tortilla over to serve.
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I make my own salsa though. I guess you either like em or not. I thought they sounded disgusting until I tried one.

Confederate
12-24-2012, 02:18 AM
Makes me want to go to Rubio's and pick up a couple Fish Tacos Especiales (with guacamole) and a Corona. Their original store is just a few blocks from me.

Corona is probably the worst Mexican "beer."

Origanalist
12-24-2012, 02:27 AM
Corona is probably the worst Mexican "beer."

Ha ha, thats what I imagine cat piss tastes like.

coastie
12-24-2012, 02:47 AM
Sorry boys, but a fish taco just sounds plain flat out disgusting to me.


Made with dolphin(mahi mahi) or redfish = mouth orgasm. I originally typed = orgasm in your mouth, but.....:olol.


Shit I hate insomnia. 2 1/2 days so far.:(

coastie
12-24-2012, 02:48 AM
Ha ha, thats what I imagine cat piss tastes like.

Smells more like dog piss to me, infused with a skunk fart. Damn that shit's nasty.

Origanalist
12-24-2012, 02:51 AM
Orgasm in mouth, fish taco's.....hmmmmm

coastie
12-24-2012, 03:06 AM
Orgasm in mouth, fish taco's.....hmmmmm

I don't know if anyone's ever told you this, but....

it's not supposed to smell like fish. Just sayin.

Origanalist
12-24-2012, 03:10 AM
nvrmnd

Philhelm
12-24-2012, 03:32 AM
I don't know if anyone's ever told you this, but....

it's not supposed to smell like fish. Just sayin.

Yeah, more like rust.

tod evans
12-24-2012, 04:44 AM
If we absolutely have to import more foreigners, then by all means let's import people more amenable to our founding values. Salvation is not going to come from south of the border.

I read this post as advocating hard work and self sufficiency..


Hell, our own population isn't amenable to our founding values. Maybe we should think about deporting those dependent on gubmint.

And this one as stating that many American citizens would rather suck the federal tit than provide for themselves.


Yeah- who needs all those church-going people ruining our Sundays? (hispanics are the most likely group to attend Church at least once a week- more so than whites).

This post, raising religion as a subject for discussion, seemed to come out of the blue to me?...


Are you suggesting that religious affiliations are an excuse for sucking the government tit?


The post suggested that immigrants didn't have values (at least not the same ones as the Founding Fathers). I guess going to church isn't one of those values?

Are you suggesting that they are all on welfare?


No I wasn't, I was actually agreeing with what I thought Origanalist said, "Deport Americans that insist on living off of others labor"...

I've never suggested or even agreed with any statements that allude to folks of Mexican linage not being religious or even industrious....
My statement was directed at those who collect "A-Check" from the federal government....If some of those people are of Mexican blood then of course they should be included with those of all other nationalities who "suck the government tit"..

No amount of religion or ethnic heritage can sway my belief that depending on the federal government for sustenance is wrong..

osan
12-24-2012, 09:48 AM
Polls on this are completely useless right now and ridiculously bias regardless given the wording. The hysteria will soon pass.

This is NOT so in practical terms of Congress making a move because they may use these polls to bolster their positions.

One needs to learn to distinguish the philosophical and normative aspects of such issues from the positive and practical.

Zippyjuan
12-24-2012, 06:06 PM
Sorry boys, but a fish taco just sounds plain flat out disgusting to me.

It didn't sound that appetizing to me either until I tried one. The breading is sweet and the fish is quickly fried- not greasy. Add the sauce (mayanaise and yogurt), some chopped cabbage and cilantro, scoop of guacamole all in a corn tortilla, and squeeze some fresh lime on it just before you eat it.

As for the Corona, haven't had that in ages.