Judge fines protester who got a mouthful of pepper spray

[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Judge-fines-protester-who-got-a-mouthful-of-pepper-spray-184522851.html


PORTLAND, Ore. - An Occupy Portland protester who was blasted in the face with pepper spray was found guilty this week of ignoring police orders and will now have to pay a fine.

A judge has now fined Nichols $260 for not listening to police and following their orders that day.

http://media.katu.com/images/111117_pepper_spray.jpg

[kathy88]

So "ignoring police orders" is now officially a crime. Check.

[phill4paul]

That'll teach her!

[satchelmcqueen]

im just speechless of these judges now days and the pussy police departments.

[coastie]

WOW-that is WAYYYYYY too close to be spraying someone with OC.

I dream sometimes I see a video where the crowds-that ALWAYS vastly outnumber these douche nozzles-drag these fucks into the crowd and stop the storm troopers into the ground. But then I wake up-and remember I'm in America.

[BAllen]

And most of those folks probably vote democrat. They voted for more government, and that's what they have here. So what's the problem?

[Anti Federalist]

Welcome to the nightmare.



WOW-that is WAYYYYYY too close to be spraying someone with OC.

I dream sometimes I see a video where the crowds-that ALWAYS vastly outnumber these douche nozzles-drag these fucks into the crowd and stop the storm troopers into the ground. But then I wake up-and remember I'm in America.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

And most of those folks probably vote democrat. They voted for more government, and that's what they have here. So what's the problem?


Nobody voted to be pepper sprayed in the mouth. The fact that you find it acceptable for ANYONE makes YOU part of the problem.

[tod evans]

Nobody voted to be pepper sprayed in the mouth. The fact that you find it acceptable for ANYONE makes YOU part of the problem.

point!

[Anti Federalist]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/pepper-spray-cop-american-revolution.jpg

[Czolgosz]

And most of those folks probably vote democrat. They voted for more government, and that's what they have here. So what's the problem?


Nobody voted to be pepper sprayed in the mouth. The fact that you find it acceptable for ANYONE makes YOU part of the problem.


That woosh sound was his point flying past you.

[Tpoints]

So "ignoring police orders" is now officially a crime. Check.

No, it isn't, no more than ignoring parking signs is, that's why it's fined. And only $260.

[acptulsa]

No, it isn't, no more than ignoring parking signs is, that's why it's fined. And only $260.

A misdemeanor is a crime. It may not be a felony, but it's still a crime.

[kathy88]

No, it isn't, no more than ignoring parking signs is, that's why it's fined. And only $260.i have no idea why you are feeling the need to quote and disagree with everything I post today but why don't you fucking stop.

[Tpoints]

A misdemeanor is a crime. It may not be a felony, but it's still a crime.

it's not a new crime though, just along the lines of contempt or obstruction, right?

[acptulsa]

it's not a new crime though, just along the lines of contempt or obstruction, right?

Contempt? Of court? A cop is not a court. So, new crime. Obstruction is also an active crime. Not jumping when a cop yells is passive. So, new crime.

If you want to learn something, why not ask? Works better than saying something that's both untrue and snarky, and learning by getting called on it.

[Tpoints]

Contempt? Of court? A cop is not a court. So, new crime. Obstruction is also an active crime. Not jumping when a cop yells is passive. So, new crime.

If you want to learn something, why not ask? Works better than saying something that's both untrue and snarky, and learning by getting called on it.

How is active and passive distinguished? is it based on how much movement or force you use? If I purposely park my car to block a cop from getting to a scene or leaving one, is that active or passive?

[belian78]

That woosh sound was his point flying past you.
Well if it were a point, it's a crappy one as voting republican these days gets you more gov just as much as voting democrat. I don't care how someone votes, I can be reasonably sure that their vote isn't for spraying someone who is peacefully protesting in the mouth with chemical pepper spray.

[belian78]

How is active and passive distinguished? is it based on how much movement or force you use? If I purposely park my car to block a cop from getting to a scene or leaving one, is that active or passive?
You're trying to equate a peaceful protest with blocking a cop from getting to a crime!? Jaysus, my mind, it boggles.

[Tpoints]

You're trying to equate a peaceful protest with blocking a cop from getting to a crime!? Jaysus, my mind, it boggles.

No, I am equating "ignoring police orders" to blocking police to a crime. As I assume blocking police access also comes with an order to move out of the way. In either case, I am asking how you distinguish active from passive and how peaceful protest can't be "obstruction". If you know the answer I'm listening.

[Petar]

http://i.imgur.com/ObIJh.jpg

[Demigod]

http://i.imgur.com/ObIJh.jpg

This guys demand communism as well.

http://www.windsorstar.com/7305894.bin

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20111020&t=2&i=519744418&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=460&pl=300&r=BTRE79J1AB800

The difference is the general populations relation with the police.In most of Europe they are mostly seen as the governments fist,no one calls the cops unless you really have to.In the USA they are the knight on a white horse who keeps the bad man away.

Can anyone tell me how would the police in any USA city react if protesters started fighting them like they always do in Europe ?

Also I really do not understand why but the police in the USA really likes doing their job,in most countries in Europe the police does not even give 20% of the effort that the USA police does.They are more than happy to just sit in their cars and take naps all day long.



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[dillo]

Nobody voted to be pepper sprayed in the mouth. The fact that you find it acceptable for ANYONE makes YOU part of the problem.

I believe he is sarcastically addressing the hypocrisy in the liberal youths views in America, that we need more government and ignoring the consequences of what such ideas cause.

[torchbearer]

And most of those folks probably vote democrat. They voted for more government, and that's what they have here. So what's the problem? yeh, I thought they liked the taste of pepper spray.

[torchbearer]

Also I really do not understand why but the police in the USA really likes doing their job,in most countries in Europe the police does not even give 20% of the effort that the USA police does.They are more than happy to just sit in their cars and take naps all day long.



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In my criminal justice classes, the assholes in it admitted they wanted to be a cop so they could drive really fast and shoot guns at people. not kidding.
I went into my local PD to service some equipment, one of their detectives was a bully in my high school class. not kidding.
I have self-respect, so i wouldn't go into law enforcement. but people who have power and control issues gravitate to these jobs.
they have military posters all over their offices, they dream about massacring people to cheers.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

That woosh sound was his point flying past you.


No, that woosh was the point flying past YOU. My convictions are sound. I believe ALL people have rights, not just those who agree with me on that point. Indefinite detention without trial, for instance... I find it repulsive and wrong, and I don't care who.

Maybe you think rights are conditional. I do not.

Not to mention, BAllen has no information regarding that person... Doesn't know what she voted for, who she voted for, doesn't know who she is, doesn't know anything special regarding that situation.



I believe he is sarcastically addressing the hypocrisy in the liberal youths views in America, that we need more government and ignoring the consequences of what such ideas cause.


IMO, the "liberal youths views in America" deserve the same constitutional protection as anyone, and it surely includes the right to freely and peacefully assemble. They don't deserve to be pepper sprayed in the mouth and then fined for it.

As for specifics on this girl, put them out here if you like. I doubt there's anything she's done that would make me condone her mistreatment.

[kcchiefs6465]

No, it isn't, no more than ignoring parking signs is, that's why it's fined. And only $260.

it's not a new crime though, just along the lines of contempt or obstruction, right?
Obstructing justice is a crime and is probably what she was charged with. I have no doubt that she was facing jail time and got off 'light' with the $260 fine. (Not that the trumped up charge should have been levied (or stuck) in the first place) First we go from, it isn't a crime, to, it's a crime just not a new one. It's quite easy to correct yourself after the fact. And might I add what the hell difference is it if she was fined 10 dollars? It is still bullshit that she has to defend herself against a run-of-the-mill contempt of pig charge. This can affect a lot.. from jobs, to future court cases. The amount of the fine isn't the issue. (though $260 is a lot of money for most people who live check to check)

[Tpoints]

Obstructing justice is a crime and is probably what she was charged with. I have no doubt that she was facing jail time and got off 'light' with the $260 fine. (Not that the trumped up charge should have been levied (or stuck) in the first place) First we go from, it isn't a crime, to, it's a crime just not a new one. It's quite easy to correct yourself after the fact. And might I add what the hell difference is it if she was fined 10 dollars. It is still bullshit that she has to defend herself against a run-of-the-mill contempt of pig charge. This can affect a lot.. from jobs, to future court cases. The amount of the fine isn't the issue. (though $260 is a lot of money for most people who live check to check)

A speeding and parking ticket is about $260 too. When I said "it's not a crime" I should've said "It doesn't have to be, you don't need to commit a crime to be fined, or jailed". But I admit I didn't know the full definition of crime when I said it. The way the person responded to me sounded like he was surprised that her obstruction was a crime or a punishable action/inaction, so that's why I said "it's not a new crime, we all know what obstruction is".

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

so that's why I said "it's not a new crime, we all know what obstruction is".

Yeah, just like we all know what "disorderly conduct" is. It's a bullshit charge, usually with no victim, and people are charged with it when they don't have a more specific charge describing why a cop is unhappy with the tongue job on his boot.

[Tpoints]

Yeah, just like we all know what "disorderly conduct" is. It's a bullshit charge, usually with no victim, and people are charged with it when they don't have a more specific charge describing why a cop is unhappy with the tongue job on his boot.

That's right. We might not know what disorderly conduct fully emcompasses, but we do know that's a nice little catch all even if you've not hurt anybody.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Police State Amerika. Fuck yeah! Next stop - a pillbox for every corner, a tower on every lawn, a camera in every face. The immigration fools will usher in Government papers, databases, and checkpoints - failure to comply will result in deadly force and / or kidnapping (prison), not to mention emigration almost impossible. The safety fools will usher in Government jack-boots on every corner, cameras and databases in every known area, and armed thugs 'for the children' of course - especially your disarmament. Etc.

Give the Government NO POWER. Take it back where it rightfully belongs - to you as an individual.

[BAllen]

http://i.imgur.com/ObIJh.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words. I'm going to print this pic out and show it to my commie siblings.

Maybe this is how we can break through the marxist brainwashing. Simplification. It's what the enemy uses. Sound bites, and the like. Guns= violent crime, instead of sick minds= violent crime. A weapon is merely a tool. Heard a guy named Joe on fox radio earlier. He was arguing with gun control callers that way. He said citizens should have access to the same weapons as the government. The 2nd amendment was to prevent government tyranny. It has nothing to do with whether someone needs to go hunting with an ak-47 or not.
Rush used a simplistic example to explain what it's like to run against the socialists. He likened it to competing with Santa Claus.
Here's another good simplistic pic:
http://firstfriday.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/socialism_explained.jpg?w=655

[BAllen]

I believe he is sarcastically addressing the hypocrisy in the liberal youths views in America, that we need more government and ignoring the consequences of what such ideas cause.

That's it. A government strong enough to take care of your needs, is also powerful enough to take away your rights. They think there is a utopian socialist state that will not be corruptable. Never mind the fact that it's never worked. Their reasoning is they just didn't do it the right way. They didn't follow marx's instructions. That's why it failed. Mention the failure of Germany, Russia, or China and that's the answer you'll get.

[Petar]

A picture is worth a thousand words. I'm going to print this pic out and show it to my commie siblings.

Maybe this is how we can break through the marxist brainwashing. Simplification. It's what the enemy uses. Sound bites, and the like. Guns= violent crime, instead of sick minds= violent crime. A weapon is merely a tool. Heard a guy named Joe on fox radio earlier. He was arguing with gun control callers that way. He said citizens should have access to the same weapons as the government. The 2nd amendment was to prevent government tyranny. It has nothing to do with whether someone needs to go hunting with an ak-47 or not.
Rush used a simplistic example to explain what it's like to run against the socialists. He likened it to competing with Santa Claus.
Here's another good simplistic pic:
http://firstfriday.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/socialism_explained.jpg?w=655

Thanks for appreciating my art. I like the cartoon that you posted also.

[UWDude]

http://i.imgur.com/ObIJh.jpg

You know this girl? Or are you just making an assumption based upon the MSM narrative you were fed?

[Petar]

You know this girl? Or are you just making an assumption based upon the MSM narrative you were fed?

No, maybe she is a libertarian for all I know. Really I'm just commenting on the general tone of the occupy crowd -confused people with no consistent principles who tend to gravitate towards the Marxist way of doing things. I mean I'm sorry that she got pepper sprayed but it needs saying. These people need to learn the value of limited government.

[torchbearer]

You know this girl? Or are you just making an assumption based upon the MSM narrative you were fed? I believe its an assumption based on the demands made by the group as a whole.

[UWDude]

I believe its an assumption based on the demands made by the group as a whole.

What demands were made by the group as a whole?
(Don't waste my time with your little MSM articles, thanks, I lived there for two months, you don't know shit but what you've been told, period.)


No, maybe she is a libertarian for all I know. Really I'm just commenting on the general tone of the occupy crowd -confused people with no consistent principles who tend to gravitate towards the Marxist way of doing things. I mean I'm sorry that she got pepper sprayed but it needs saying. These people need to learn the value of limited government.

Yeah, the anarchists (front liners) really need more lessons on limited government. Uh huh... ...yeah. You guys are always so smart. You read your little articles, and got it all figured out. Uh huh. Yeah.

Can't even think for yourselves. Anarchists are reported smashing up windows, you say bad. But when you are told it is a George Soros funded communist fifth column, you forget that it was anarchists, and now everybody there is a commie. But you are impervious to the MSM mind control machine, huh? right? You are "awake" and all that, huh?

And I've seen enough philosophical jerk-off sessions on these boards to know you do know the difference between anarchy and communism. But don't let any kind of logical thinking get in the way of your hatred of protesters because they don't exactly act as you think they should.

[torchbearer]

What demands were made by the group as a whole?
(Don't waste my time with your little MSM articles, thanks, I lived there for two months, you don't know shit but what you've been told, period.)
that's the assumption i'm talking about. i'm sure you knew that before you answered your own question.

[torchbearer]

wasn't it occupiers that dumped human waste on ron paul supporters?

[Petar]

What demands were made by the group as a whole?
(Don't waste my time with your little MSM articles, thanks, I lived there for two months, you don't know shit but what you've been told, period.)

Yeah, the anarchists (front liners) really need more lessons on limited government. Uh huh... ...yeah. You guys are always so smart. You read your little articles, and got it all figured out. Uh huh. Yeah.

Can't even think for yourselves. Anarchists are reported smashing up windows, you say bad. But when you are told it is a George Soros funded communist fifth column, you forget that it was anarchists, and now everybody there is a commie. But you are impervious to the MSM mind control machine, huh? right? You are "awake" and all that, huh?

And I've seen enough philosophical jerk-off sessions on these boards to know you do know the difference between anarchy and communism. But don't let any kind of logical thinking get in the way of your hatred of protesters because they don't exactly act as you think they should.

Anarchists do need to learn a lesson in limited government, because all that they can talk about is their stinking unicorn of a "perfect stateless society". Anarchism just so happens to be the same thing that Marx said his totalitarian approach would end up resulting in, so if you are pissed off about the twisted relationship between the two then maybe you should just give up on the fable and come join the limited government side. God knows more people who identify with the "occupy" crowd should.

[UWDude]

Anarchists do need to learn a lesson in limited government, because all that they can talk about is their stinking unicorn of a "perfect stateless society". Anarchism just so happens to be the same thing that Marx said his totalitarian approach would end up resulting in, so if you are pissed off about the twisted relationship between the two then maybe you should just give up on the fable and come join the limited government side. God knows more people who identify with the "occupy" crowd should.

Uh huh. You got Anarchism all figured out I see.
Next we get into the philosophical inanity about anarcho-capitalism vs. minarchism vs. voluntarism vs. objectivism that lights up these boards every so often.
Count me out.

[Petar]

Uh huh. You got Anarchism all figured out I see.
Next we get into the philosophical inanity about anarcho-capitalism vs. minarchism vs. voluntarism vs. objectivism that lights up these boards every so often.
Count me out.

So then neither of us is really interested in arguing about anarchy etc. Good then. Happy holidays.

[Czolgosz]

No, that woosh was the point flying past YOU. My convictions are sound. I believe ALL people have rights, not just those who agree with me on that point. Indefinite detention without trial, for instance... I find it repulsive and wrong, and I don't care who.

Maybe you think rights are conditional. I do not.

Not to mention, BAllen has no information regarding that person... Doesn't know what she voted for, who she voted for, doesn't know who she is, doesn't know anything special regarding that situation.


lol

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