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Rad
12-21-2012, 07:48 PM
Chuck Hagel is being pummeled by the Neocon punditry because he doesn't completely tow the AIPAC/Likud line on Iran and Israel. Justin Raimondo started a petition in order to support his nomination for Secretary of Defense.

http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/12/21/hagel-petition-update/

Here is the link to the petition: http://wh.gov/nW2c

If you support it please sign it and share it with others! I apologize if this has already been posted here.

sailingaway
12-21-2012, 07:53 PM
I saw Justin R tweeting this, but didn't Kerry already get picked? I saw a headline on it this morning, was that an error?

SpreadOfLiberty
12-21-2012, 07:56 PM
I saw Justin R tweeting this, but didn't Kerry already get picked? I saw a headline on it this morning, was that an error?That is for Sec. of State.

cheapseats
12-21-2012, 08:06 PM
ImplausibleEndeavors ‏@MindOfMo
Which pair wields more power/influence in Washington DC (resulting in more deaths): NRA & SecondAmendment folk or AIPAC & Israeli officials?

ImplausibleEndeavors ‏@MindOfMo
Israel spends $647 million to load up on U.S. munitions — http://rt.com/news/israel-gaza-pentagon-precision-830/ … via @RT_com FLIP SIDE OF COIN: U.S. SELLS $647 IN MUNITIONS.

ImplausibleEndeavors ‏@MindOfMo
#AIPAC exerts much more influence on American Lawmakers than does #NRA. Why don't #GunGrabbers, Peaceniks & ScaredyCats lower boom on AIPAC?

ImplausibleEndeavors ‏@MindOfMo
#AIPAC and #GunControl go together like #Hitler and #Jews. Just sayin'.

itshappening
12-21-2012, 08:59 PM
I can see him getting through confirmation... it depends how many Republicans support him... I'm guessing most of them will since they used to serve with him and nearly all Dems will vote for him so that puts him well over the top.

BlackTerrel
12-21-2012, 09:31 PM
Is Hagel good for liberty loving people in the US?

Rad
12-21-2012, 09:52 PM
Is Hagel good for liberty loving people in the US?He is the best that we can probably hope for within the war party. He isn't Ron Paul but he is better than Rand Paul when it comes to Iran. He is against sanctions on Iran and knows that adults engage in diplomacy:
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/12/17/chuck_hagel_does_not_like_sanctions

We lose our freedoms during war and a new war is on the horizon. It is another needless war that will end in tragedy.

sailingaway
12-21-2012, 11:17 PM
I didn't like him when I first heard about him, on other points, but I'm beginning to agree he is likely the best we actually have a hope of seeing Obama pick. And people seem to think he can pass confirmation...

sailingaway
12-21-2012, 11:27 PM
Here's a story I saw on it from a kinda unlikely source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/14/will-aipac-get-out-flanked-on-hagel.html

COpatriot
12-22-2012, 06:05 AM
If this guy gets anywhere near confirmation, get ready for the biggest propaganda/smear campaign you've seen in your entire life.

itshappening
12-22-2012, 05:32 PM
If this guy gets anywhere near confirmation, get ready for the biggest propaganda/smear campaign you've seen in your entire life.

It won't work though. I'll be shocked if they withdrew him over this. The Senate is a club and he was a Republican, so surely he has enough votes.

The neocons are just gnashing their teeth.

seyferjm
12-22-2012, 05:48 PM
If this guy gets anywhere near confirmation, get ready for the biggest propaganda/smear campaign you've seen in your entire life.

That has been in high gear since his name was mentioned for the position.

anaconda
12-22-2012, 06:24 PM
HAGEL = CFR + BILDERBERG + DEUTSCHE BANK

mz10
12-23-2012, 12:05 PM
HAGEL = CFR + BILDERBERG + DEUTSCHE BANK

BIG LETTERS MAKE YOUR POINT SO MUCH CLEARER

Rad
12-26-2012, 01:58 PM
It won't work though. I'll be shocked if they withdrew him over this. The Senate is a club and he was a Republican, so surely he has enough votes.

The neocons are just gnashing their teeth.I think Obama will withdraw him without strong public support. Obama is a coward: https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+%22grow+a+pair

Chuck Hagel is estranged from the Republican Party because he isn't as hawkish as they are. He was turned off by the Iraq war and Republicans turned against him:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/hagels-dilemma/

If we don't get Hagel then we will probably get someone who makes the neocons happy and who doesn't know the horrors of war like Hagel does. The neocons want Michele Flournoy who is a cofounder of a warmongering outfit called the Center for a New American Security:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/center_for_a_new_american_security

Antiwar.com really wants Chuck Hagel for Christmas:
http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2012/12/24/give-us-hagel-for-christmas/
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/12/25/a-christmas-message/

Michael Scheuer believes if we attack Iran then we will experience terrorist attacks within the United States:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YFTbNIVrso

I think it would be much more difficult to restore the Constitution if Iranians commit terrorist attacks within the United States in retailation. I think it is certain that we would lose more of our freedoms.

compromise
12-26-2012, 02:08 PM
Isn't Hagel a liberal Republican?

ronaldo23
12-26-2012, 02:13 PM
Isn't Hagel a liberal Republican?

he's certainly not a good fiscal conservative, but on foreign policy he's far more level headed than any of the other potential people Obama would pick.

DFF
12-26-2012, 02:17 PM
We need a gentile lobby, that collectively, can grease our politicians even more than AIPAC.

Or maybe better still; outlaw lobbying altogether.

Brent Pierce
12-31-2012, 10:17 AM
Raimondo at Antiwar.com is enthusiastically supporting Hagel's nomination. For anyone not familiar with Raimondo he is a Rothbardian-Ron Paul guy 100%. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/12/23/the-crucifixion-of-chuck-hagel/

Ordinarily I find signing petitions to be a silly exercise. Especially one directed at the Whitehouse. However, Raimondo makes a strong case for why it is important to show some popular support to bolster his position. Here is the petition again. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/nominate-chuck-hagel-secretary-defense-and-fight-his-nomination/P0ZtympX?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl