House Republicans Circulate Plan To Oust Boehner From Speakership

[sailingaway]

Several conservative House Republican members are contemplating a plan to unseat Speaker John Boehner from his position on January 3, Breitbart News has exclusively learned. Staffers have compiled a detailed action plan that, if executed, could make this a reality.

The Republicans, both conservatives and more establishment members alike, are emboldened after the failure of Boehner’s fiscal cliff “Plan B” on Thursday evening. Dissatisfaction with Boehner is growing in the House Republican conference, but until now there hasn’t been a clear path forward.

Those members and staffers requested anonymity from Breitbart News at this time to prevent retaliation from Boehner similar to what happened to those four members who were purged from their powerful committee assignments a few weeks ago. Their expressed concern is that if Boehner knew who they were, his adverse reaction toward them would be much more brutal than losing committee assignments, such as a primary challenge in 2014 by a leadership-sponsored candidate.

The circulated plan is a comprehensive multi-step process.

According to the plan as drafted, the first step is to re-establish the election of the Speaker of the House by secret ballot, rather than by a public roll call vote. That’s because the members who would oppose Boehner, if there ended up not being enough votes to achieve their desired result or if Boehner scared via threat or coaxed via prize some of the opposition into voting for him, would be sitting ducks for retaliation in the near future.

As one hill staffer considering this path told Breitbart News, the members involved in an unsuccessful coup d’etat would be “toast.”

To establish a secret ballot election for Speaker of the House, one Republican member will need to step forward and introduce a resolution on the House floor on the morning of January 3, 2013, before any other business takes place. Those close to this plan are convinced that a member will step forward and introduce this resolution.

more: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/21/House-Republican-members-circulate-plan-to-oust-Speaker?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Governme nt%29

[tangent4ronpaul]

AWESOME! :D

-t

[ghengis86]

Is this the snake eating the tail or the frog choking the heron?

[HOLLYWOOD]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/21/after-failure-boehner-said-focus-fiscal-cliff-must/


Boehner says he’s staying as speaker after ‘fiscal cliff’ failure

The Washington Times
Friday, December 21, 2012



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Hours after his fellow Republicans delivered a crushing blow to him, House Speaker John A. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/) said Friday morning the rebellion wasn’t aimed at him, but rather at federal spending.

He also laughed off talk that he may lose his speakership. <==== :rolleyes:

“While we may have not been able to get the votes last night to avert 99.81 percent of the tax increases, I don’t think — they weren’t taking that out on me,” he said at a press conference.

Joining him was House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/eric-cantor/), the man who had been seen as his chief rival, in a show of unity that seemed designed to quell any talk of a challenge to Mr. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/)’s speakership.
Late Thursday, Mr. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/)’s “fiscal cliff” Plan B collapsed when too many conservatives in his own caucus told him they couldn’t support it. It would have extended tax cuts for most Americans but would have let rates rise on those making more than $1 million, which conservatives said was still a tax increase.

Speaking to reporters Friday morning, Mr. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/) offered no concrete path forward.
He ruled out turning off the $110 billion in automatic spending cuts looming on Jan. 2, and said the message he takes from his fellow House Republicans is that the focus going forward must be on cutting spending.
“What the president has proposed so far simply won’t do anything to solve our spending problem,” he said.
Thursday’s action leaves Mr. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/) with little leverage in his negotiations with President Obama.
The White House said Mr. Obama is still eager to work out a deal with Mr. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/), but the Ohio Republican and Mr. Cantor (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/eric-cantor/) seemed to place the burden on the president and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to take the next step and propose a solution.
Mr. Boehner (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/john-boehner/) said the House has already passed bills to halt the tax increases and spending cuts that make up the fiscal cliff, and said it’s now up to Democrats to do something.
He said if Mr. Reid wants the House to take up a plan to raise taxes on those making $250,000 or more, he’ll have to pass that version through the Senate and send it over.

[itshappening]

They're trying to oust Boehner:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/21/House-Republican-members-circulate-plan-to-oust-Speaker

Even though it's incredibly difficult to pull off and they need to nail the rules down and probably obtain a secret ballot and then find a candidate who will agree to give this a shot, it's likely the end for Boehner even if he can fight this and the process fails.

They tried to oust Gingrich in 98 but in the end he resigned because his position became untenable even though the system favored him and probably would allow him to hang on.

I hope this continues and 20-30 members are emboldened enough to bring such open dissent to the House.

[SpreadOfLiberty]

We should push Jim Jordan for Speaker.

[sailingaway]

Yeah, I just posted that in GP. I wonder who they are counting on to introduce the referendum?

[itshappening]

Even if the process failed the 20-30+ members could just deny Boehner and the leadership a majority on every significant vote. He would have no functioning House and would have to resign.

[sailingaway]

We should push Jim Jordan for Speaker.

Is there anyone who can actually win who is better on civil liberties?

[itshappening]

Yeah, I just posted that in GP. I wonder who they are counting on to introduce the referendum?

probably either Amash or Huelskamp. neither have any committee assignments and can therefore go full on rogue.

[jj-]

Even if the process failed the 20-30+ members could just deny Boehner and the leadership a majority on every significant vote. He would have no functioning House and would have to resign.

If the majority votes in favor of having a secret vote, it's hard to see how the process would fail.

[sailingaway]

probably either Amash or Huelskamp. neither have any committee assignments and can therefore go full on rogue.

Huelskamp seems to like the spotlight, and seems to be red meating this opportunity at every turn. (I don't think he's bad, I'm just looking into him, but I note the personality trait does make that plausible.) But it also might be Bachmann who I think is making another play for leadership. Or Jones, (just because I'd like that....)

This will be interesting to watch.

[itshappening]

There are lots of shenanigans that could occur for example, if the Democrats stand down they would need all the GOP to vote for a secret ballot. Establishment will want to keep Boehner around so this is possible and I doubt the whole GOP will vote for a secret ballot and put this process in place.

If the Democrats vote for the secret ballot then it will pass...

Boehner could pull out a few favors especially from the president and Pelosi.

[itshappening]

Huelskamp seems to like the spotlight, and seems to be red meating this opportunity at every turn. (I don't think he's bad, I'm just looking into him, but I note the personality trait does make that plausible.) But it also might be Bachmann who I think is making another play for leadership. Or Jones, (just because I'd like that....)

No Bachmann will have no support and I doubt she is involved in this, she can barely win her district. She is not in a strong position.

[sailingaway]

There are lots of shenanigans that could occur for example, if the Democrats stand down they would need all the GOP to vote for a secret ballot. Establishment will want to keep Boehner around so this is possible and I doubt the whole GOP will vote for a secret ballot and put this process in place.

If the Democrats vote for the secret ballot then it will pass...

Boehner could pull out a few favors especially from the president and Pelosi.

I think the Dems in a public vote will vote for secret ballot and hope Boehner wins but is damaged by the situation. Win or lose, the next person is going to have a split house, but Boehner made sure of that with his purge, already.

[itshappening]

if the secret ballot goes ahead Boehner is gone and the president loses his partner in crime.

The Democrats are unlikely to vote for a secret ballot in my opinion so this might not even get going.

[jj-]

Alright, so we agree the secret ballot is the key test. If it's accepted, Boehner is very likely finished. Otherwise, he'll stay.

[sailingaway]

Alright, so we agree the secret ballot is the key test. If it's accepted, Boehner is very likely finished. Otherwise, he'll stay.

I don't know that it is the test, it is certainly a hurdle that needs to be crossed. Some will have a hard time voting against a secret ballot yet may still support leadership. the vote on the secret ballot will be public.

[itshappening]

Yes, but the fact that it gets introduced and an attempt to take him out is made will damage him.

The key test is whether anyone tables the vote IMO.

There is another possibility that they just dont care about who knows who is voting for who and Amash stands for speaker as a stalking horse, 17 vote for him and the House is speakerless until Boehner stands down and then they have the proper election and chose a compromise candidate.

20 or so voted against the procedure on the sequester bill which was a defiant move so could indicate there is a hardcore to pull this off.

[JK/SEA]

when is Ron's last day?

[sailingaway]

Yes, but the fact that it gets introduced and an attempt to take him out is made will damage him.

The key test is whether anyone tables the vote IMO.

There is another possibility that they just dont care about who knows who is voting for who and Amash stands for speaker as a stalking horse, 17 vote for him and the House is speakerless until Boehner stands down and then they have the proper election and chose a compromise candidate.

20 or so voted against the procedure on the sequester bill which was a defiant move so could indicate there is a hardcore to pull this off.

But if 17 vote against Boehner doesn't Pelosi just win on Dem votes? I mean, it has to just be in caucus or the Dems will get it, won't they?

I'm not sure how that works, to be honest.

[John F Kennedy III]

Hmmmm...maybe this is what the Mayans predicted :)

[jj-]

But if 17 vote against Boehner doesn't Pelosi just win on Dem votes? I mean, it has to just be in caucus or the Dems will get it, won't they?

No, you need a majority. A plurality is not enough. The vote is repeated until someone gets a majority.

[SpreadOfLiberty]

when is Ron's last day?Whenever they let out for Christmas. He won't vote on this one.

[itshappening]

Here's the hardcore anti-leadership vote. 13 Republican's voted against the motion to consider the Spending Reduction Act (sequester replacement)

Amash
Broun (GA)
Franks (AZ)
Gohmert
Harris
Huelskamp
Jones
Jordan
Landry
Massie
Walsh (IL)
Schmidt
Paul
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Paul obviously not there next year so replace him with Bentivolio.

They might not have the numbers but they're close if they can find 4/5 more to stand up that will deny Boehner the votes to be speaker.

[Spoa]

Whenever they let out for Christmas. He won't vote on this one.

But Amash and Massie will. And hearing from both of them, they don't seem too happy with Speaker Boehner.

Somebody needs to contact Congressman-Elect Bentivolio and make sure he's aware about this. Encourage him to speak to Amash or Massie ASAP when he gets to D.C. in January 2013!

[lx43]

Justin Amash for speaker.

[itshappening]

they're still about 4/5 votes short in open situation and I think it will be hard to find them... it really depends how pissed off any others were last night.

[SpreadOfLiberty]

Here's the hardcore anti-leadership vote. 13 Republican's voted against the motion to consider the Spending Reduction Act (sequester replacement)

Amash
Broun (GA)
Franks (AZ)
Gohmert
Harris
Huelskamp
Jones
Jordan
Landry
Massie
Walsh (IL)
Schmidt
Paul
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Paul obviously not there next year so replace him with Bentivolio.

They might not have the numbers but they're close if they can find 4/5 more to stand up that will deny Boehner the votes to be speaker.

I could see Schweikert voting against Boehner. Stockman, Bentivolio, and Yoho are incoming. Mullin too.

I could see Labrador, McClintock, Mulvaney, Lamborn and Duncan voting against him. There may be more.

edit: Here are three more possible no votes: Price. Jordan, Hensarling

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/10/Group-to-endorse-three-conservatives-to-replace-Boehner-Cantor-McCarthy

[jj-]

Jim Jordan is more than good enough.

[SpreadOfLiberty]

Is there anyone who can actually win who is better on civil liberties?

Probably not. I know Jones and Duncan are tenured, but that would only get them so far.

I do think Jordan would be more receptive to civil liberties than Boehner, however. I am proposing him because he has been RSC chairman, is a fighter, and has a 5 year balancing budget plan. Massie is a big fan of his.

[itshappening]

I could see Schweikert voting against Boehner. Stockman, Bentivolio, and Yoho are incoming. Mullin too.

I could see Labrador, McClintock, Mulvaney, Lamborn and Duncan voting against him. There may be more.

Schweikert MAYBE but then he would vote against the motion to bring this thing to the floor if he was brave enough to defy them openly which I dont think he is.

The others you mention are in the same boat, they're not going to publicly vote against Boehner because they'll be worried about their committee chairs and senoirity.

It's not easy to find the votes they need to pull this off but even if they come close it should damage Boehner and he'll be on virtual life support.

The hardcore could also make his life difficult by working against him on every meaningful vote but then Boehner may react by kicking them off more committee's or withdrawing the whip and taking further disciplinary action.

[itshappening]

" He also laughed off talk that he may lose his speakership."

And the other night said on prime time TV: "The House will pass a bill tomorrow... "

His bravado is just an act. He is a bully and relies on theater. He dared them in front of America to vote against his plan and lost.

How he can ever recover from this I dont know!

[SpreadOfLiberty]

" He also laughed off talk that he may lose his speakership."

And the other night said on prime time TV: "The House will pass a bill tomorrow... "

His bravado is just an act. He is a bully and relies on theater. He dared them in front of America to vote against his plan and lost.

Yeah. Cantor said they had the votes for Plan B.

[Spoa]

I could see Schweikert voting against Boehner. Stockman, Bentivolio, and Yoho are incoming. Mullin too.

I could see Labrador, McClintock, Mulvaney, Lamborn and Duncan voting against him. There may be more.

edit: Here are three more possible no votes: Price. Jordan, Hensarling

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/10/Group-to-endorse-three-conservatives-to-replace-Boehner-Cantor-McCarthy

Hopefully Stockman, Mullin, or Yoho can replace the losses of Schmidt and Landry. I would hope that Schmidt's replacement (Brad Wenstrup---a tea partier supposedly) would vote against Boehner. I'm not sure though. He campaigned that Schmidt voted to raise the debt ceiling so she should be kicked out. I hope he'll stick to his conservative principles in congress.

[itshappening]

They need to study the rules carefully and make sure they can try and pull something off.

Any hint of Boehner being subject to a humiliating process will see him resign immediately.

If others smell blood maybe they will be more open about it and not worry about the recriminations.

There are also some big groups that will back the effort and grassroots initiative.

We need to find likely dissenters and contact them and offer them some encouragement.

[itshappening]

Amash and Huelskamp standing as a 'stalking horse' candidate for Speaker is probably the best bet.

Not for the Speakership itself but only there to deny Boehner the 217 votes he needs so he gets the message and resigns.

Those two have the least to lose from any in congress right now as they have no committee's and are completely frozen out. In fact, if they don't act they might find an emboldened and newly elected Speaker may try and take further action against them like kicking them out of the party. They have nothing to lose.

[itshappening]

There will be big problems if Boehner get re-elected Speaker, especially for Amash and Huelskamp. I do expect them to try and take further action. Things could get very nasty... for example, possible trouble back home and trying to kick them out of the party. It would be unprecedented but so was throwing them off committee's. The stakes are high.

[Spoa]

There will be big problems if Boehner get re-elected Speaker, especially for Amash and Huelskamp. I do expect them to try and take further action. Things could get very nasty... for example, possible trouble back home and trying to kick them out of the party. It would be unprecedented but so was throwing them off committee's. The stakes are high.

That is part of the reason that Conservatives need to get onto these committees. Local committees have the power to support these reps and work against the establishment. If the committees of Amash and Huelskamp's areas are filled with local conservatives, they'll be fine.

[sailingaway]

Whenever they let out for Christmas. He won't vote on this one.

They already recessed for Christmas but are coming back to finish the session after Christmas. This vote will be the first day of the NEW session, though, so Ron won't be there. I thought of that too, that it would be a cool last move to bring that referendum.

[Spoa]

Contact some Congressmen-Elects:

Congressman-Elect Ted Yoho: tedyohocos@gmail.com

Congressman-Elect Steve Stockman: http://congressmanstevestockman.com/contact/

Congressman-Elect Markwayne Mullin: info@mullinforcongress.com

[deadfish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_77xFq7RVs

[itshappening]

The Hill says:

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More than an outright challenge, Boehner’s bigger concern may be if he suffers 16 defections during the Jan. 3 vote on the House floor, which would mean he would fall short of the majority necessary to be reelected. But although Boehner could lose the votes of a few members, such as those whom the leadership kicked off committees last month, a groundswell of opposition remains unlikely.

One conservative House Republican, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the only way Boehner’s position is likely to be in serious jeopardy is if he agrees to raise the debt ceiling in a fiscal-cliff deal with Obama without significant concessions on spending cuts and entitlement reform from the president.

“If he gives away the debt ceiling, he’s in trouble,” the member said.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/274385-despite-defeat-boehners-grip-on-speakers-gavel-appears-secure


A close friend of the Speaker’s, Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), said he spoke with Boehner and indicated he was holding up well after the defeat.

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^ goes to show you who he hangs out with. RINO idiots like Chambliss.

Mulvaney is quoted:

This was not a vote of no confidence in the Speaker,” freshman Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), an opponent of Boehner’s Plan B legislation, said in an interview. “This was a legislative defeat, not a personal defeat.”

Another vocal critic of the Speaker’s proposal, Rep. John Fleming (R-La.), said: “He is my Speaker, and I support him.”

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This is how hard is to get votes, though Boehner is being cocky and the article says he isnt even phoning members to ensure their support (I'm sure others are doing it for him though?)

[jkob]

I can't see Boener allowing a vote on a secret ballot or democrats going along with it, the writing would be on the wall for that one.

[anaconda]

Then Boehner will really have something to cry about!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDyt_qCCiTo

[Brian4Liberty]

if the secret ballot goes ahead Boehner is gone and the president loses his partner in crime.

The Democrats are unlikely to vote for a secret ballot in my opinion so this might not even get going.

Yes, Boehner will try to make a deal with Pelosi to maintain the status quo...

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/boehner-pelosi/8757019-1-eng-US/boehner-pelosi_full_380.jpg

[anaconda]

Yes, Boehner will try to make a deal with Pelosi to maintain the status quo...

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/boehner-pelosi/8757019-1-eng-US/boehner-pelosi_full_380.jpg


I would think that is his actual job description. Appear adversarial but continue to empower the globalists. Boehner and Pelosi answer to the same puppet masters.

[kathy88]

It's a fucking shame that a secret ballot is even a necessity to ousting a douchebag. These reps need to grow some balls or get the fuck out.