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tangent4ronpaul
12-18-2012, 06:32 PM
Florida, other state secession petitions due White House response

We told you last month about the state seccession petitions that popped up on the White House's "We the People" website shortly after President Barack Obama won re-election. The window to garner enough signatures to warrant a White House response passed this week for most of these petitions; Florida and other states met the mark.

Petitions must have at least 25,000 signatures within 30 days of their submission. The New Yorker reported that petitions were filed on behalf of all 50 states, but only eight met the threshold needed for a response. Here is that list and the number of signatures the petitions have received as of this blog posting:

-Texas, 119, 617
-Louisiana, 37,430
-Florida, 35,310
-Georgia, 32, 448
-Tennessee, 31,479
-North Carolina, 30,808
-Alabama, 30,580
-South Carolina, 25,064

It has taken the White House several months to respond to other petitions that also passed the threshold. We asked a White House spokeswoman whether there will be a blanket response for all the state petitions and when the White House would get around to addressing the petitions.

We didn't get a response, but we know these petitions are keeping the Obama administration busy. For example, it also must come up with a response to this petition with 26,734 signatures: "Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America."

Even without an official White House response, it has been widely reported that states have no legal right to secede from the union.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/12/florida-other-state-secession-petitions-due-white-house-response.html

Good comments on this story - click through!

-t

TheTexan
12-18-2012, 06:41 PM
Even without an official White House response, it has been widely reported that states have no legal right to secede from the union.

Don't need a legal right to secede. Secession is a basic human right.

tangent4ronpaul
12-18-2012, 07:28 PM
Don't need a legal right to secede. Secession is a basic human right.

http://ideas.time.com/2012/11/19/can-texas-really-secede-from-the-union-not-legally/

As the petitioning and flame wars continue, though, it’s worth stepping back and asking a basic question: Is any of this legal? Can a state actually secede from the union?

It’s a question that law professors sometimes like to ponder, but the answer certainly must be no. The Constitution, which provides processes for new states to enter the union and for current states to divide or reconfigure, does not have a provision for states to leave the union. A state would have to leave by force — something Abraham Lincoln knew a lot about — since there is no legal basis it could point to for breaking away.

It is often said the Civil War answered this question: that when the South surrendered at Appomattox, the idea of secession was also defeated. In fact, no lesser authority than Justice Antonin Scalia — who would probably rank No. 1 or 2 in a parlor-game bet over which Justice is most likely to sign a secession petition — has said precisely this. In response to a letter from a citizen asking if there is a legal basis for secession — a letter that it is remarkable for being answered by a sitting Justice — Scalia wrote in 2006, “[The] answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede.”

Of course, it is highly unlikely that any of these legal questions will have to be re-examined, because for all the secessionists’ petitions, they remain a perversely small minority. Even in the states that are racking up the most signatures, governors have been quick to distance themselves from secession talk. The conservative Republican governors of Alabama and Texas have come out publicly against secession, and the governor of Louisiana — whose state’s signature total was second only to Texas’ on Nov. 14 — called the idea “silly.”

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Any state has a right to secede. According to OUR Declaration of Independance, any people that give consent to be governed, have a right to seperate from any government. To say that, no state, has that right is completely asinine. Look to the Declaration that Jefferson crafted, all of the facts with which the King of Great Britain was accused of and you will start to see what "Just powers" our government is being destructive of.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from theconsent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomesdestructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolishit, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principlesand organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely toeffect their Safety and Happiness." -Declaration

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It's kind of fun to think about succession. I mean can you imagine some states, like Wyoming, becoming nuclear superpowers? I mean can you imagine something like the free state project where various groups like the neo-nazi's, the evangelicals, radical Muslims, etc. moved to take over one of these states so they could get "the football"... Would the US Gvmt back down on using military force against one of these states that just joined the nuclear club?

BRAC would also create a total, FUBAR mess as some states would have plenty of aircraft, others, tanks, and so on. Repair parts coming from one another state could cripple some aspects of a states reserve and guard. There is also the issue of embargoes and that chemicals come from certain parts of the country, oil from others and the mass of food from still others.

http://www.thirdtablet.com/Adopt-a-Silo/MissileMaps/co-missiles-A-680.gif

As Tom Leahr wrote in his song, "Who's Next":

"Try to stay serene and calm, when Alabama gets the bomb!"

-t

Keith and stuff
12-18-2012, 07:36 PM
We didn't get a response, but we know these petitions are keeping the Obama administration busy.

Lol. The administration certainly doesn't have to respond to the petitions. It is entirely possible that Obama just waved is hand in the air and will never think about the petitions again.

tangent4ronpaul
12-18-2012, 07:49 PM
They responded before and stated that the petitions would get a response.

-t

TheTexan
12-18-2012, 08:06 PM
They responded before and stated that the petitions would get a response.

-t

I'm interested in how they respond to it. Probably something intentionally vague, with subtexts of threats.... or something just 100% nationalistic, this country is great, best country ever, etc

Zippyjuan
12-18-2012, 08:48 PM
Curious. Has ANY of the petitions at Whitehouse.gov ever led to any action on anything? I think they are to give the public the illusion of participation (like Facebook of Government).

"Dear citizen:

Thank you for participating in the petition page at Whitehouse.gov on ______ issue. We apreciate your input and will be looking into the issue further.

Sincerely yours,

Uncle Sam"