NYPD Detective: We need to repeal gun-free school zones

[LibertyEagle]

Former NYPD Detective John Baeza says that it’s important to mourn, but we need to take action to see that schools are made safer. And to do it he says we need to repeal legislation making schools gun-free zones so that teachers can properly defend themselves:

Click for video... (http://www.therightscoop.com/nypd-detective-we-need-to-repeal-gun-free-school-zones/)

[CaptUSA]

I'm not so sure having the people who are programming America's children armed is such a good idea, but I also don't think "gun-free" zones do a damned bit of good, either.

[acptulsa]

Handy to be a former detective. You no longer have to be 'with the program', or 'on message'. Retiring from the NYPD must be like getting your freedom of speech back.

[FrankRep]

Flashback 2011:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/06aJuly/paulgun.001.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/9524-ron-paul-introduced-pro-gun-legislation)



Texas Congressman and GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul introduced a bill that would abolish "gun-free zones," ultimately permitting teachers to carry firearms on school grounds.


Ron Paul Introduced Pro-gun Legislation (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/9524-ron-paul-introduced-pro-gun-legislation)


The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
04 August 2011


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Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has introduced a bill in the House that would allow teachers to carry firearms onto public school grounds. Gun-control groups call it an "extremist" bill.
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H.R. 2613, the Citizens Protection Act of 2011 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2613)
Sponsor: Ron Paul

[James Madison]

Remember. The principal ran into the classroom after the initial gunfire and was shot. Give her a handgun and the shooter is dead, death count lower.

[sailingaway]

Just think what this level headed woman could have done if she were armed:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-Kjn0hCEAA-L46.jpg:large

(picture from someone w/ an ESPN twitter address) https://twitter.com/JamieLittleESPN/status/280143880731652096

[tangent4ronpaul]

Between now and the start of the next congressional session would be a good tie to lobby congress critters asking them to sponsor, co-sponsor or vote for Dr. Paul's legislation, but a beefed up version that REQUIRES at least one teacher to be armed in order for school to be in session and for all school field trips.

-t

[PursuePeace]

Flashback 2011:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/06aJuly/paulgun.001.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/9524-ron-paul-introduced-pro-gun-legislation)



Texas Congressman and GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul introduced a bill that would abolish "gun-free zones," ultimately permitting teachers to carry firearms on school grounds.


Ron Paul Introduced Pro-gun Legislation (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/9524-ron-paul-introduced-pro-gun-legislation)


The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
04 August 2011


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Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has introduced a bill in the House that would allow teachers to carry firearms onto public school grounds. Gun-control groups call it an "extremist" bill.
====


H.R. 2613, the Citizens Protection Act of 2011 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2613)
Sponsor: Ron Paul

Great article!
However, ridiculously stupid picture.

[Dr.3D]

Great article!
However, ridiculously stupid picture.
Yeah, finger shouldn't be on the trigger.

[CaptUSA]

Between now and the start of the next congressional session would be a good tie to lobby congress critters asking them to sponsor, co-sponsor or vote for Dr. Paul's legislation, but a beefed up version that REQUIRES at least one teacher to be armed in order for school to be in session and for all school field trips.

-tAre you insane? Perhaps you haven't seen the caliber of teachers that inhabit our public schools? (see what I did there?)

I'm sure there are plenty of teachers qualified and responsible enough, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to mandate they be armed! Hell, I might even like the background check to include, "are you a felon? do you have mental issues? do you work for the government?"

[Neil Desmond]

Between now and the start of the next congressional session would be a good tie to lobby congress critters asking them to sponsor, co-sponsor or vote for Dr. Paul's legislation, but a beefed up version that REQUIRES at least one teacher to be armed in order for school to be in session and for all school field trips.

-t
I'm for allowing anyone anywhere to have the right to keep and bear arms, and even concealed carry without permit requirement; however, I am opposed to a mandate of that for someone who isn't in the business of law enforcement, security, military, etc.

[sailingaway]

I'm for allowing anyone anywhere to have the right to keep and bear arms, and even concealed carry without permit requirement; however, I am opposed to a mandate of that for someone who isn't in the business of law, security, military, etc.

Even if they are just ALLOWED not mandated, the shooters wouldn't know if they had them or not and would pick some other gun free zone, I suspect.

[PursuePeace]

Even if they are just ALLOWED not mandated, the shooters wouldn't know if they had them or not and would pick some other gun free zone, I suspect.

Exactly.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'm for allowing anyone anywhere to have the right to keep and bear arms, and even concealed carry without permit requirement; however, I am opposed to a mandate of that for someone who isn't in the business of law enforcement, security, military, etc.

They are in the business of providing for the safety and security of their charges. I'm not saying EVERY teacher, I'm saying at least one in every school, and a teacher, not a rent-a-cop. That's what they do in Israel and their schools don't have these problems. You have terrorists over there that would love to attack schools, not just crazy people and they don't.

El-Al airlines used to get hijacked constantly till they put a armed person on EVERY flight! Now they have NO hijackings. The requirement is reasonable.

-t

[Matt Collins]

lulz, do yall not know who that is?





Here's a hint -








http://i.imgur.com/CTAk2.jpg?1

[Pericles]

Texas already has an example: http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/16/us-texas-guns-idUSN1538661720080816

(Reuters) - A Texas school district will let teachers bring guns to class this fall, the district's superintendent said on Friday, in what experts said appeared to be a first in the United States.

[Tod]

lulz, do yall not know who that is?





Here's a hint -








http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x93/sonicspikesalbum/294015_10100138822216345_86435_n_zps29fe1bd1.jpg

Kinda reminded me of the guy that was following RP around all campaign long, but with longer hair.

[kcchiefs6465]

lulz, do yall not know who that is?
Here's a hint -

http://serve.mysmiley.net/jumping/jumping0045.gif (http://www.blueislandsdiving.com)




http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/207.gif (http://www.cool-smileys.com/clapping-smiley)

[Neil Desmond]

Even if they are just ALLOWED not mandated, the shooters wouldn't know if they had them or not and would pick some other gun free zone, I suspect.
Yes - allowed, absolutely; mandated, no (I don't like the idea of forcing anyone to have to arm themselves).

[Neil Desmond]

They are in the business of providing for the safety and security of their charges. I'm not saying EVERY teacher, I'm saying at least one in every school, and a teacher, not a rent-a-cop. That's what they do in Israel and their schools don't have these problems. You have terrorists over there that would love to attack schools, not just crazy people and they don't.

El-Al airlines used to get hijacked constantly till they put a armed person on EVERY flight! Now they have NO hijackings. The requirement is reasonable.

-t
Well, for war zones & situations where hijackings are prevalent, sure, that kind of thing makes sense for those situations. Let's stick to our rights/freedoms here in the US and not try to use the land of "an eye for an eye" as an example.

[Tod]

From yahoo....


]Why did so many State Mental Hospitals close in the 80s?


The biggest reason for the closings was the cutback in medicaid funds by the Federal Government, thanks to the policies of Reagan. The states received matching funds for the hospitalization of people with mental illnesses. The feds cut back and the states couldn't afford to keep the hospitals running. In addition, there were several suits in courts to mainstreams the residents back into the public particularly those who were developmentally disabled not just those who suffered from mental illnesses such as paranoia and the like. I hope this helps.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080929061943AAdXzT9

Maybe there are more people with mental issues running around loose these days?

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'm for allowing anyone anywhere to have the right to keep and bear arms, and even concealed carry without permit requirement; however, I am opposed to a mandate of that for someone who isn't in the business of law enforcement, security, military, etc.


Yes - allowed, absolutely; mandated, no (I don't like the idea of forcing anyone to have to arm themselves).

There is a town in the US where you have to own a firearm in order to be a resident. There are professions where you have to have a gun. In any school, I would be really, really surprised to not find ONE teacher willing to hold onto a gun and be the last line of defense. What I'm talking about is voluntary - but there has to be at least one volunteer. Vote withyour feet. If you don't like local laws or requirements of your profession either leave or try to change it from within.


Well, for war zones & situations where hijackings are prevalent, sure, that kind of thing makes sense for those situations. Let's stick to our rights/freedoms here in the US and not try to use the land of "an eye for an eye" as an example.

WOW! - You mean that US flights are at no risk of being hijacked and the TSA is irrelevant?

Maybe they could arm the passengers?

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/911guns.jpg

-t

[Neil Desmond]

There is a town in the US where you have to own a firearm in order to be a resident.
Well, sort of (not sure of exactly the way you phrase it); I'm aware of a town in Georgia that "requires" households to have a firearm (or something to that effect), and this requirement is not like a mandate in the sense that you'll get fined or thrown in prison if you don't comply - it allows for households to choose not to if they don't want to (at least that's the way I understand it). In principle, I don't have a problem with that kind of "requirement" if that's the case, but I would have a problem if there was say a fine or prison time for not being in compliance. I think it would be better if tax breaks were given to households that do have a firearm.


There are professions where you have to have a gun.
I already stipulated that this would be an exception in my first post on this thread.


In any school, I would be really, really surprised to not find ONE teacher willing to hold onto a gun and be the last line of defense.
I don't see any reason to doubt this.


What I'm talking about is voluntary - but there has to be at least one volunteer.
But if there isn't, then what?


Vote withyour feet. If you don't like local laws or requirements of your profession either leave or try to change it from within.
I hope "change from within" includes suing or fighting an unconstitutional law.



WOW! - You mean that US flights are at no risk of being hijacked and the TSA is irrelevant?
No, I used the word "prevalent." Regarding TSA, I'm not going to argue that they are not irrelevant, other than to say that airlines ought to have/be using their own security policies, staff, systems, procedures, etc.



Maybe they could arm the passengers?

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/911guns.jpg

-t
Despite being a racist and biased cartoon, yes, in principle passengers ought to have the right to be armed. You can debate that airlines should have the right to keep armed passengers off their flights if you wish. The practical solution would be for airlines to allow armed passengers on their flights provided they are in compliance with their requirements (they have certified safety training, background check, firearms only loaded with ammo designed not to compromise the aircraft, etc.).

[RockEnds]

I was talking to a family member about this today. She's a school teacher, and this is her last year before retirement. She's kind of a nervous person anyway, and she's extra shook because the day before this happened, the intruder alarm was tripped by mistake at her school. She hid her kids and was waiting for the worst when she found out it was just a maintenance mistake. So to hear about this the following day was a little extra nerve-wracking for her. I asked her if there was really an intruder, was anyone at the school armed? That was probably the wrong question to ask because now she's REALLY nervous. Apparently there's not.

I don't get it. What good does a security system do if there's no security? It's beyond me. I'm glad I homeschool.

[Matt Collins]

Despite being a racist and biased cartoonHow is that cartoon "racist and biased"? :confused:

[Danke]

Yeah, finger shouldn't be on the trigger.

It's not loaded.

[Tod]

It's not loaded.

Famous last words...

[Neil Desmond]

How is that cartoon "racist and biased"? :confused:
I'll assume you're being serious: that is essentially derived from the fact that this cartoon promotes this myth that the planes were commandeered by on-board hijackers & portrays them as being of a specific ethnicity (i.e., they appear to be Arabs).

[Matt Collins]

I'll assume you're being serious: that is essentially derived from the fact that this cartoon promotes this myth that the planes were commandeered by on-board hijackers & portrays them as being of a specific ethnicity (i.e., they appear to be Arabs).They were :rolleyes:

[Neil Desmond]

They were :rolleyes:
Let's not hijack this thread (or blame them for that too).

[Dr.3D]

It's not loaded.
Even without ammo, they are always loaded.

[69360]

Remember. The principal ran into the classroom after the initial gunfire and was shot. Give her a handgun and the shooter is dead, death count lower.

I agree 100% with this.

I don't agree with this whole lockdown hide and hope you don't get shot strategy that schools push on kids. When I talked to my kids about what happened in CT, I told them if there is a shooter in your school head for the nearest door and run as fast and far away as you can. I even told them to bust out a window if you need to to get out of that school.

[belian78]

lulz, do yall not know who that is?

God you are such a shameless self promoter, you really make me physically ill sometimes.

[belian78]

I agree 100% with this.

I don't agree with this whole lockdown hide and hope you don't get shot strategy that schools push on kids. When I talked to my kids about what happened in CT, I told them if there is a shooter in your school head for the nearest door and run as fast and far away as you can. I even told them to bust out a window if you need to to get out of that school.
Exactly right.

[Danke]

God you are such a shameless self promoter, you really make me physically ill sometimes.



http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c262/kotin205/f826710c.png

[belian78]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c262/kotin205/f826710c.png
LooooL.. Thanks, needed that. haha

[Matt Collins]

you really make me physically ill sometimes.If you get physically ill over some silly web forum posts, then you got some problems.

[Lucille]

Arm Teachers To Save Our Children, Now
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-12-16/arm-teachers-save-our-children-now

[alucard13mmfmj]

I agree 100% with this.

I don't agree with this whole lockdown hide and hope you don't get shot strategy that schools push on kids. When I talked to my kids about what happened in CT, I told them if there is a shooter in your school head for the nearest door and run as fast and far away as you can. I even told them to bust out a window if you need to to get out of that school.

Yeah. I thought it was a horrible plan to hide in classrooms or gather in the school gym.

Hey! Let's all hide in the same spot so if the shooter finds us.. he can shoot us all in a confined space with no where to run!

At least running... you have a chance.

[acptulsa]

If you get physically ill over some silly web forum posts, then you got some problems.

If you are capable of self promotion in a thread inspired by the butchering of twenty six- and seven-year-old humans, you have one big problem. Mainly, you no longer have a soul to call your own.

[paulbot24]

These very people probably remember learning to immediately "protect" themselves under their desks at school during nuclear attack drills during the Cold War. Too bad so many of them grew up to be neocons.

[Victor Grey]

I agree 100% with this.

I don't agree with this whole lockdown hide and hope you don't get shot strategy that schools push on kids. When I talked to my kids about what happened in CT, I told them if there is a shooter in your school head for the nearest door and run as fast and far away as you can. I even told them to bust out a window if you need to to get out of that school.

I don't agree with the idea so much, that has always been my own plan in event I'm a building where a gunman is shooting people.

I will NOT comply to anyone in a gun free zone, to huddle down if I hear shooting. I don't care about procedure, I don't care about authority figures, if it's two stories or less, I'm going out of the nearest side window and I'm running from the place.

To hell with everyone else, I'm not everyone, I'm me. They can huddle in the designated areas, that stuff's already been shown to allow a shooter to kill more people.

[acptulsa]

I agree 100% with this.

I don't agree with this whole lockdown hide and hope you don't get shot strategy that schools push on kids. When I talked to my kids about what happened in CT, I told them if there is a shooter in your school head for the nearest door and run as fast and far away as you can. I even told them to bust out a window if you need to to get out of that school.

You obviously haven't seen the pictures of the place. A prison has more windows than a modern public school building.

[seapilot]

At the very least from this recent tragedy they should change the way teachers react to violent people in the school. Instead of hiding in classrooms waiting and praying that someone will save them before the murderer gets to them they need to fight back. Arming some teachers is a definite solution, but in all schools there are fire hoses and fire extinguishers which used can definitely slow down a killer.

Before 9/11 all passengers were told to wait until the plane landed and authorities would deal with the hijackers demands. Now most know better and anyone trying something stupid on a plane is almost guaranteed to get smacked down.

[Matt Collins]

If you are capable of self promotion in a thread inspired by the butchering of twenty six- and seven-year-old humans, you have one big problem. I wasn't self promoting :rolleyes:

[Valli6]

lulz, do yall not know who that is?
Isn't he Ron Paul's bodyguard/security guy?
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x449/valli6/Ron%20Paul%20Trenton%20NJ/PresidentPaul.jpg
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x449/valli6/Ron%20Paul%20Trenton%20NJ/RonPaulleavingTrentonNJ.jpg
Leaving the NJ Statehouse in Trenton, NJ - 9/26/11