An emotional Obama: 'They had their entire lives ahead of them'

[Anti Federalist]

An emotional Obama: 'They had their entire lives ahead of them'

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15911507-an-emotional-obama-they-had-their-entire-lives-ahead-of-them?lite

By Michael O'Brien, NBC News

An emotional President Barack Obama led the nation in mourning the victims of an elementary school massacre on Friday, speaking from the White House following the shooting in Newtown, Conn.

The president not only pledged to assist investigations into the shooting, but also became openly emotional upon reflecting upon the many school children killed or injured in today's mass shooting.

"The majority of those who died today were children -- beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10-years-old," he said, pausing to wipe away a tear. "They had their entire lives ahead of them -- birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own."

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/ss-121412-school-shooting-18.photoblog600.jpg

"Our hearts are broken today, for the parents, grandparents, sisters and brothers of these little children," Obama added, "as well as the families of the adults who were lost."

The president said that he has become all too familiar with making statements of grief following mass shooting incidents, referencing recent events at a mall this week in Oregon, at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in August, and at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., in August.

Those events -- along with a January 2011 attack in Arizona that severely injured then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and left six others dead -- have done little to provoke political action to rein in gun violence.

"As a country, we have been through this too many times," he said.

In his remarks Friday, the president suggested that the time might have come for some sort of work to prevent similar tragedies.

"We're going to have to come together to take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics," he said.

[Anti Federalist]

So did they, Mr. President.

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120818/geraphian20120818152532810.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.mintpress.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/This-photo-shows-a-young-child-allegedly-killed-by-U.S.-drone-missile-strikes-in-Pakistans-tribal-region.-Photo-by-Noor-Behram-690x430.jpg

[twomp]

So did this guy. AND HE WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/rT/esq-abdulrahman-al-awlaki-0812-xlg.jpg

[Lucille]

Those events -- along with a January 2011 attack in Arizona that severely injured then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and left six others dead -- have done little to provoke political action to rein in gun violence.

Unless he's talking about eliminating gun-free zones, or rather, sitting-duck zones, then Michael O'Brien and his gun-grabbing, demagoguing, POS progs can GTH.

[James Madison]

What about the 53 million dead children since 1973?
What about the 10,000+ soldiers that were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses?
What about the thousands of soldiers who take their lives every year?
What about a million dead Iraqis?
What about 50,000 dead Libyans?
What about thousands dead in Syria?

Does anybody care at all?

[Golding]

He's upset that he didn't get the chance to kill them first.

[Lucille]

What about the 53 million dead children since 1973?
What about the 10,000+ soldiers that were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses?
What about the thousands of soldiers who take their lives every year?
What about a million dead Iraqis?
What about 50,000 dead Libyans?
What about thousands dead in Syria?

Does anybody care at all?

I think we are among the very small minority of Americans that do.

[nobody's_hero]

I'm gonna offend someone here:

Why Obama really wants children to grow up and work hard:
http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/U.S.-Debt-Nearing-Ceiling-U.S.-Debt-Clock.jpg

[ShaneEnochs]

He's upset that he didn't get the chance to kill them first.

That's possibly one of the most offensive things I've ever read on this board. What's wrong with you?

[James Madison]

I think we are among the very small minority of Americans that do.

And that's exactly why things like this happen. Once you are open to the idea that the value of a life is circumstancial, it becomes easy to view others, even kindergardeners, merely as targets. We show no remorse to spiders unfortunate enough to be found in the open. If you accept that some human lives are of no value, killing a child becomes as trivial as killing a spider. It's simply a switch your flip on and off.

[SewrRatt]

Is it just me or are his eyes utterly dry in that picture?

[alucard13mmfmj]

Obama should assign arm guards for every school. Make them more and more into prisons.

[Anti Federalist]

Obama should assign arm guards for every school. Make them more and more into prisons.

I'm not aware of too many schools that already do not have cops in them.

[PaulConventionWV]

Crocodile tears.

[ShaneEnochs]

You guys seriously can't believe that this saddened him? That he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him?

[nobody's_hero]

You guys seriously can't believe that this saddened him? That he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him?

He'll get over it. I'm sure he'll create some new power for himself to lift his spirits.

[CaptLouAlbano]

He'll get over it. I'm sure he'll create some new power for himself to lift his spirits.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

[tod evans]

Liar!

Fucking two-faced liar!

[twomp]

You guys seriously can't believe that this saddened him? That he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him?

Considering the amount if kids that he's killed. I would say no, I don't believe this saddened him and I say this as someone who naively supported him at one time.

[Anti Federalist]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1ySbcIpNyPs/TqlgogWC-yI/AAAAAAAADYs/qO2APGVtUy8/s1600/Travel%2BSchool%2BPrison.jpg

[PaulConventionWV]

That's possibly one of the most offensive things I've ever read on this board. What's wrong with you?

Obama is an evil man. It's offensive to Obama to say that. I'm not offended because I know Barack Obama doesn't really care anyway. Why should anyone besides Obama be offended. That is, if Obama would be offended at all.

[SewrRatt]

You guys seriously can't believe that this saddened him? That he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him?

Are you kidding? Obama kills kids on a very regular basis. If anything he was elated that such a politically useful thing happened.

[alucard13mmfmj]

Obama is sad that (ok, i dont know what ethnic group predominantly lives there) little, white, christian kids died... instead of brown, muslim, poor kids.

Why has USA been bombing brown/black kids in africa and middle east for the last 15 years?

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm not aware of too many schools that already do not have cops in them.

Exactly. I went to a school with 400 kids. We usually started the year with a bit over 400 and ended with a little under 400 as people broke rules and got suspended, dropped out or arrested. There was a bomb threat every other day, and every time it happened, we had to evacuate. Even though we were a very small school, we ended up with teachers wielding metal detectors searching our stuff before we could come in at the beginning of the day. There were cops in the hallways on a regular basis.

[NC Liberty]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.
Thanks for pointing this out. I tried to point it out on facebook to a friend of a friend and got blasted for it.
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I posted this on the other thread as well but it seemed to apply just as nicely here

[mport1]

This is a good time to follow @dronestream (https://twitter.com/dronestream) if you haven't yet. It is tweeting out details of every recorded drone strike since 2002. The government murders innocent children all the time. Their hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

[Philhelm]

You guys seriously can't believe that this saddened him? That he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him?

No, because I believe that he is a sociopath by its strictest definition.

[kathy88]

He's upset that he didn't get the chance to kill them first.Total. Dick. Move.

[QueenB4Liberty]

This is a good time to follow @dronestream (https://twitter.com/dronestream) if you haven't yet. It is tweeting out details of every recorded drone strike since 2002. The government murders innocent children all the time. Their hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

It looks like he stopped in 2010. :(

[mport1]

It looks like he stopped in 2010. :(

No, he just started a couple days ago. He is still adding up until today. There are just so many of these attacks that is taking it awhile. 168 tweets so far - This doesn't even include Afghanistan or the many other unreported stikes.

[nobody's_hero]

He's upset that he didn't get the chance to kill them first.


Total. Dick. Move.

If only these kids had grown up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D_Zv2HjlDJA/TZZD67Eo7fI/AAAAAAAAQVk/rNQQNR4NRh4/s1600/military_coffins3.jpg

[Henry Rogue]

Get ready for a Gun Control Tsunami. If the Second Amendment wasn't dead it died today. The republicans will fall in line with democrats. republicans controling the house will mean nothing for 2A supporters. Good luck.

[Philhelm]

Get ready for a Gun Control Tsunami. If the Second Amendment wasn't dead it died today. The republicans will fall in line with democrats. republicans controling the house will mean nothing for 2A supporters. Good luck.

If anyone is out there, you are the resistance.

[Captain Shays]

You guys seriously can't believe that this saddened him? That he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him?

Come on guys. I don't like Obama either but we don't need to attack him at a time like this.

[idiom]

That's possibly one of the most offensive things I've ever read on this board. What's wrong with you?

Never been to hot topics huh.

[mport1]

Get ready for a Gun Control Tsunami. If the Second Amendment wasn't dead it died today. The republicans will fall in line with democrats. republicans controling the house will mean nothing for 2A supporters. Good luck.

Yep, you are probably right. Now that children were involved, that could be the final nail in the coffin. "It's for the children!"

[Philhelm]

Come on guys. I don't like Obama either but we don't need to attack him at a time like this.

Unfortunately, our masters don't feel the same way, and are biting at the reigns in order to attack us. Remember, you can't let a good tragedy go to waste.

Furthermore, Obama is a sociopath, and his crocodile tears and feigned grief initiated his entry into the discussion.

[idiom]

Come on guys. I don't like Obama either but we don't need to attack him at a time like this.

At a time like what? Is it special because the school was American? or because the American military wasn't the perpetrator?

[AuH20]

Note this is the same man who openly bragged that he possesses an extraordinary ability to persuade the American people. I don't buy it for a second. The tears were the indicator. Way too much. You don't even know them!!! PHONY!!!

[Philhelm]

Note this is the same man who openly bragged that he possesses an extraordinary ability to persuade the American people. I don't buy it for a second. The tears were the indicator. Way too much. You don't even know them!!! PHONY!!!

Exactly! If Mother Theresa cried, then maybe...maybe...I'd buy it. But not this guy.

[Brian4Liberty]

Obama body counts.



CIA Drone Strikes in Pakistan 2004–2012
Total US strikes: 354
Obama strikes: 302
Total reported killed: 2,597-3,398
Civilians reported killed: 473-889
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,256-1,414

US Covert Action in Yemen 2002–2012
Total confirmed US operations (all): 53-63
Total confirmed US drone strikes: 42-52
Possible extra US operations: 125-144
Possible extra US drone strikes: 67-80
Total reported killed (all): 362-1,062
Total civilians killed (all): 60-173
Children killed (all): 24-35

US Covert Action in Somalia 2007–2012
Total US strikes: 10-23
Total US drone strikes: 3-9
Total reported killed: 58-170
Civilians reported killed: 11-57
Children reported killed: 1-3

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drone-data/

[GunnyFreedom]

So did they, Mr. President.

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120818/geraphian20120818152532810.jpg

Reaping and sowing is an immutable law of the Kingdom. So is "a little leaven leavens the whole loaf."

Rot in the head WILL lead to rot in the hands and feet. A country that operates on violence, WILL produce a violent citizenry.

Christians especially should understand the connection and relationship here. Unfortunately the political "Christian Right" will never understand why this is happening, because they are not in Christ.

[idiom]

Manson said after the columbine shooting that its basically just kids doing what they see the president doing.

Still true.

[AuH20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1QNTQDnoU&feature=player_embedded

[Golding]

Total. Dick. Move.Elaborate. Is it a dick move because I've implied that Obama seems to enjoy killing? In which case, did you focus on my post because I'm the one that didn't supply the photographic evidence of such behavior? Or maybe it's because I "politicized" when I should be mourning 20+ dead children? In which case, would that make these sort of articles (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/moral-nation-why-our-cons_b_2303558.html) "dick moves" as well?

[NOVALibertarian]

The Audacity of Hypocrisy...would make a fine title for his third book.

[MelissaWV]

That's possibly one of the most offensive things I've ever read on this board. What's wrong with you?

It isn't even close to the most offensive thing said on this board, but I think what you are seeing is evidence of the massive disconnect some folks have with the average American. I know, I know; I will now be told how proud people are to be better than "boobus" or whatever other name comes up.

I do think the President is saddened. I do think he sees his daughters when he sees a story like this. I do think it is utterly shocking and depressing when something like this happens, and it's only magnified by proximity. The problem is I also do think this is the man who calculates to himself when it's acceptable to kill foreign children, when they are just collateral damage, etc.. I also think this is the person who touts our drone tactics while kicking the dust that used to be a teen under the proverbial rug. That kind of position is not unique to Obama. There are SO MANY people who are weeping over this but have no problem killing "potential terrorists" overseas, or letting other awful things befall children worldwide. It isn't that they don't care about local kids. It's that they have no ability to make the connection between children over here, and children elsewhere.


Exactly! If Mother Theresa cried, then maybe...maybe...I'd buy it. But not this guy.

If Mother Theresa is crying right now, that is a hell of a story. Interestingly enough, the case could be made that she was not so great for reproductive rights and, by proxy, the state of children in the third world where she most often worked.


Note this is the same man who openly bragged that he possesses an extraordinary ability to persuade the American people. I don't buy it for a second. The tears were the indicator. Way too much. You don't even know them!!! PHONY!!!

Noted, but if you've never cried over someone you don't know... I don't know. I guess that's a personal thing. I have cried a number of times over people I don't know, places I've never been to, and situations I have never experienced. I guess that would make me a phony as well.

[Golding]

That's possibly one of the most offensive things I've ever read on this board. What's wrong with you?Imagine if you got this incensed every time a child was murdered by a US drone missile.

No one is sincerely saying that the president has no humanity left in him. What people are pointing out is the hypocrisy behind him wiping tears from his eyes for the cameras when a senseless act of violence is well publicized. Does he shed tears for the children senselessly killed abroad? Does he shed tears for the countless killed secondary to current drug laws? Do you? If not, maybe you shouldn't be asking what's wrong with me.

[AuH20]

Like I said. We're talking about a master manipulator:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kg9m1F8B2_c#!

[Jordan]

What happened today is sad. It's sickening, and it's hard to comprehend. I don't think that Obama is faking his sadness at all. It's hard to understand that some random guy just gunned down 20 innocent kids, or that their parents are going to spend Christmas at a funeral home rather than with their kids at home. That's upsetting, and if you don't think so...then, well, I don't even know what to tell you.

[donnay]

Libertygirl posted this in another thread but it belongs here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1QNTQDnoU&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&index=1

[donnay]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/302700_549021555125398_28455168_n.jpg

[Captain Shays]

At a time like what? Is it special because the school was American? or because the American military wasn't the perpetrator?

No but, try this. 20 children are dead at Christmas time. They were shot at their school. Their parents are grieving. Their family and their community are grieving. I am grieving.

Like I said, I don't care much for Obama or his policies but to say or even imply that our president doesn't care about these kids makes us all look pretty bad. I just want anyone who might read this to understand that we don't all share the same position as you do.

[69360]

So now they will again say that guns should be banned because a criminal used a gun to kill children.

I say the same thing about this everytime something like this happens, if guns weren't banned in schools and somebody was carrying, the criminal would be dead and some of those kids might still be alive.

Guns are a pandora's box. You can't get rid of all of them. If you ban them only criminals will have them.

[donnay]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/12288_179378562205412_753167634_n.jpg

[Henry Rogue]

A petition calling on President Barack Obama to push for new gun control laws in the aftermath of the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., has cleared the 25,000-signature threshold required to obtain a formal White House response.

The measure, filed in response to Friday's massacre, urges Obama to "immediately address the issue of gun control through the introduction of legislation in Congress."

"The goal of this petition is to force the Obama Administration to produce legislation that limits access to guns," it says. "While a national dialogue is critical, laws are the only means in which we can reduce the number of people murdered in gun related deaths."

Obama vowed on Friday to "take meaningful action, regardless of the politics," to prevent future tragedies like the shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

"Our hearts are broken today," Obama said in a brief statement in the White House briefing room, frequently pausing to wipe tears from his eyes. "The majority of those who died today were children, beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. They had their entire lives ahead of them: birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. Among the fallen were also teachers, men and women who devoted their lives to helping our children fulfill their dreams."

His comments came shortly after White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters that "today's not the day" to push for gun control laws.



The petitioners plainly disagreed.

"Powerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution's intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve," the measure urges.

"The signatures on this petition represent a collective demand for a bipartisan discussion resulting in a set of laws that regulates how a citizen obtains a gun," it says.http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gun-control-petition-clears-white-house-response-threshold-232717126--politics.html
Well that was fast.

[AuH20]

The petitioners plainly disagreed.

"Powerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution's intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve," the measure urges.

Hilarious!!!

[donnay]

Libertygirl posted this in another thread but it belongs here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1QNTQDnoU&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&index=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmSH5MREHdw&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&index=2

[KingNothing]

No but, try this. 20 children are dead at Christmas time. They were shot at their school. Their parents are grieving. Their family and their community are grieving. I am grieving.

Like I said, I don't care much for Obama or his policies but to say or even imply that our president doesn't care about these kids makes us all look pretty bad. I just want anyone who might read this to understand that we don't all share the same position as you do.

Completely agreed.

This is a tough day for humanity.

[KingNothing]

False flag? Just stop with this Alex Jones horse shit. This is real life. Dozens of kids are dead at the hands of a lunatic, likely a consequence of a society so in love with violence that its news media glorifies every example of mass death.

WE are the problem. Society is at fault. It is not guns, it is not The New World Order. It is all of us, tolerating narratives of violence and not advancing passed this base behavior.

[LibertyEagle]

Is it just me or are his eyes utterly dry in that picture?

Nope, they're dry.

[A Son of Liberty]

No one is sincerely saying that the president has no humanity left in him.

I'll say it.

He's a murdering scumbag. And making that statement in no way detracts from the genuine emotion real human beings are feeling about this horrific event.

To be more succinct, I don't give a DAMN what he may or may not feel in regards to this tragedy. He has sanctioned the killing of HUNDREDS of innocent children who had their whole lives ahead of them.

Would anyone give a damn about the real or contrived emotions displayed by a private sector mass murderer? Of course not; dress one up in a nice suit, stick his mug in front of a camera and call him "president", however, and we're supposed to imagine or care that he has a shred of human decency about him?

I mourn for these children, and for their families. That mourning is honest, because I actually respect human life. I cherish it and consider it a tragedy when it is lost and do nothing to endanger it.

[Natural Citizen]

False flag? Just stop with this Alex Jones horse shit. This is real life. Dozens of kids are dead at the hands of a lunatic, likely a consequence of a society so in love with violence that its news media glorifies every example of mass death.

WE are the problem. Society is at fault. It is not guns, it is not The New World Order. It is all of us, tolerating narratives of violence and not advancing passed this base behavior.

Seems like there is an all out effort to maintain constant bad energy, doesn't it? Perhaps there is. I agree with you. I don't agree with much of what you scribble here. Perhaps maybe it's just the way you scribble it sometimes. Who knows. But you're a thousand pecent spot on there. In reading the threads regarding what has happened I do see a lot of really bad energy. Now that's not to say that folks are not supposed to react with emotion. That's natural. But yes. Our talking heads will certainly want to make sure that they keep this bad energy going for as long as they can. It's like they feed on it. And I think that maybe they do a lot of the time.

[KingNothing]

Seems like there is an all out effort to maintain constant bad energy, doesn't it? Perhaps there is. I agree with you. I don't agree with much of what you scribble here. Perhaps maybe it's just the way you scribble it sometimes. Who knows. But you're a thousand pecent spot on there. In reading the threads regarding what has happened I do see a lot of really bad energy. Now that's not to say that folks are not supposed to react with emotion. That's natural. But yes. Our talking heads will certainly want to make sure that they keep this bad energy going for as long as they can. It's like they feed on it. And I think that maybe they do a lot of the time.


This one just feels different, doesn't it? My circle of friends and family is reacting with a greater sadness and a sense that something has to change. My hope is that this moves the needle in the right direction morally, and that the consequence is not an assault on liberty.

[donnay]

False flag? Just stop with this Alex Jones horse shit. This is real life. Dozens of kids are dead at the hands of a lunatic, likely a consequence of a society so in love with violence that its news media glorifies every example of mass death.

WE are the problem. Society is at fault. It is not guns, it is not The New World Order. It is all of us, tolerating narratives of violence and not advancing passed this base behavior.

I am afraid you haven't been paying attention. The New World Order is real, and they do hate us for our freedoms, make no mistake about it.

This country has absolutely lost it's way--spiritually. Thousands upon thousands of innocent people die at the hands of psychopaths who try instill democracy across the globe.

Order out of chaos is their agenda to bring in a one world government.

[Golding]

I'll say it.

He's a murdering scumbag. And making that statement in no way detracts from the genuine emotion real human beings are feeling about this horrific event.

To be more succinct, I don't give a DAMN what he may or may not feel in regards to this tragedy. He has sanctioned the killing of HUNDREDS of innocent children who had their whole lives ahead of them.

Would anyone give a damn about the real or contrived emotions displayed by a private sector mass murderer? Of course not; dress one up in a nice suit, stick his mug in front of a camera and call him "president", however, and we're supposed to imagine or care that he has a shred of human decency about him?

I mourn for these children, and for their families. That mourning is honest, because I actually respect human life. I cherish it and consider it a tragedy when it is lost and do nothing to endanger it.I knew I shouldn't have generalized. :)

[satchelmcqueen]

so why are some of you sad that obama is getting slammed on this issue? why are you calling people on here shameful for saying obama doesnt care? he has killed thousands of kids over there without one word about it. damn!

[Anti Federalist]

False flag? Just stop with this Alex Jones horse shit. This is real life. Dozens of kids are dead at the hands of a lunatic, likely a consequence of a society so in love with violence that its news media glorifies every example of mass death.

WE are the problem. Society is at fault. It is not guns, it is not The New World Order. It is all of us, tolerating narratives of violence and not advancing passed this base behavior.

But to hear you tell it, we have no impact at all, insignificant human specks that we are, and that anybody that would have tried to stop this is just a grandstanding hero.

[Anti Federalist]

I guess if I wasn't a loud mouth, blow hard, hero wanna be, I'd find the idea of a woman falling face first into a bonfire, funny as well.


This may make me a terrible person, but I giggled when I visualized this. Maybe because it happened to an ex?

GTFO of my thread, ya pretentious, hypocritical prick.

[Brian4Liberty]

False flag? Just stop with this Alex Jones horse shit. This is real life. Dozens of kids are dead at the hands of a lunatic, likely a consequence of a society so in love with violence that its news media glorifies every example of mass death.

WE are the problem. Society is at fault. It is not guns, it is not The New World Order. It is all of us, tolerating narratives of violence and not advancing passed this base behavior.

One fact, among all of the unproven hypotheses, is that copy-cat crimes happen. Combine that with mentally-ill people with delusions of grandeur and a wish for attention, and the media bears a great deal of the responsibility for repeats of these tragedies. They create trends, and they bestow the infamy.

[Odin]

I thought those tears looked very fake tbh.

[PaulConventionWV]

Come on guys. I don't like Obama either but we don't need to attack him at a time like this.

I'm sure that's what people said about Bush after 9/11. I personally don't give a shit how the president feels. He kills thousands of kids on a regular basis. As much as I hate it when kids die, I hate it when somebody uses kids dying as an excuse to take away our rights while killing thousands of kids themselves even more.

[A Son of Liberty]

I'm sure that's what people said about Bush after 9/11. I personally don't give a shit how the president feels. He kills thousands of kids on a regular basis. As much as I hate it when kids die, I hate it when somebody uses kids dying as an excuse to take away our rights while killing thousands of kids themselves even more.

+rep

The mere sight of his mug makes me sick.

[Anti Federalist]

Great post until the end. AF is just a loud mouth wanna-be hero. No one can say what they would or wouldn't do in the situation. For Christ sake, we are assuming we would have been close enough to actually get there in time and that we were paying attention to that ordeal. There are too many unknowns to instantly christen yourself a hero and speak definitively that you'd have saved the day, as AF has claimed.

Another blow hard, wanna be, hero:

Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter .

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

PORTLAND -- Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire.

"I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, 'are you serious?,'" he said.

The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.

"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."

The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.

"As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.

Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.

"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."

The gunman was dead, but not before taking two innocent lives with him and taking the innocence of everyone else.

"I don't ever want to see anyone that way ever," said Meli. "It just bothers me."

[LibForestPaul]

What about the 53 million dead children since 1973?
What about the 10,000+ soldiers that were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses?
What about the thousands of soldiers who take their lives every year?
What about a million dead Iraqis?
What about 50,000 dead Libyans?
What about thousands dead in Syria?

Does anybody care at all?

Thats war, its different.

[LibForestPaul]

I am afraid you haven't been paying attention. The New World Order is real, and they do hate us for our freedoms, make no mistake about it.

This country has absolutely lost it's way--spiritually. Thousands upon thousands of innocent people die at the hands of psychopaths who try instill democracy across the globe.

Order out of chaos is their agenda to bring in a one world government.

+1
They hate us, and are trying to create hell on earth for all but themselves.

[UpperDecker]

I await a new meme here, ala James Holmes. "Kills 20 kids, will burn in hell" "Kills hundreds of kids, celebrated!"

[paulbot24]

I'm sure that's what people said about Bush after 9/11. I personally don't give a shit how the president feels. He kills thousands of kids on a regular basis. As much as I hate it when kids die, I hate it when somebody uses kids dying as an excuse to take away our rights while killing thousands of kids themselves even more.

+rep seconded.

[James Madison]

Thats war, its different.

Not sure if you're joking or serious?

[paulbot24]

"They had their entire lives ahead of them." - Obama

Yes Obama, just as we do stuck with your Executive Orders. That thought can actually make one cry REAL tears.

[Carson]

Libertygirl posted this in another thread but it belongs here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1QNTQDnoU&list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&index=1


I saw this in another thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?398554-How-many-kids-has-Obama-killed-with-drone-strikes) and figured it should be also.

Do you think this could be real?


The day 69 children died

LONDON: It is one of the worst incidents of the entire drones campaign, yet one of the least reported. A CIA strike on a madrassa or religious school in 2006 killed up to 69 children, among 80 civilians.

The attack was on a religious seminary in Chenegai, in Bajaur Agency.

CIA drones attacked on October 30, flattening much of the school. Their target was reportedly the headmaster, a known militant. According to some reports, there was also a token late contribution to the assault by Pakistani military helicopters. But dozens of children were also killed, the youngest aged seven.

Veteran journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai, speaking to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism from Peshawar, recalls visiting the village just after the strike: “People were devastated. I met with a father who had lost two children. He was very patient, talking of how God must have willed this, but he was clearly traumatised.”

Initially the Pakistan Army claimed that it had carried out the bombardment, even as shops and offices closed across the region and protests spread. But as the scale of the attack unfolded, the story changed. The Sunday Times carried a report from a key aide to then-President Pervez Musharraf stating: ‘We thought it would be less damaging if we said we did it rather than the US. But there was a lot of collateral damage and we’ve requested the Americans not to do it again.’

A week after the attack, a local English newspaper published the names and home villages of 80 victims. Sixty-nine were reported as children aged 17 or under. According to the paper’s sources,


Snip...


The rest is here;

http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/

[Anti Federalist]

Shit, that deserves it's own thread.


I saw this in another thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?398554-How-many-kids-has-Obama-killed-with-drone-strikes) and figured it should be also.


The day 69 children died

LONDON: It is one of the worst incidents of the entire drones campaign, yet one of the least reported. A CIA strike on a madrassa or religious school in 2006 killed up to 69 children, among 80 civilians.

The attack was on a religious seminary in Chenegai, in Bajaur Agency.

CIA drones attacked on October 30, flattening much of the school. Their target was reportedly the headmaster, a known militant. According to some reports, there was also a token late contribution to the assault by Pakistani military helicopters. But dozens of children were also killed, the youngest aged seven.

Veteran journalist Rahimullah Yusufzai, speaking to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism from Peshawar, recalls visiting the village just after the strike: “People were devastated. I met with a father who had lost two children. He was very patient, talking of how God must have willed this, but he was clearly traumatised.”

Initially the Pakistan Army claimed that it had carried out the bombardment, even as shops and offices closed across the region and protests spread. But as the scale of the attack unfolded, the story changed. The Sunday Times carried a report from a key aide to then-President Pervez Musharraf stating: ‘We thought it would be less damaging if we said we did it rather than the US. But there was a lot of collateral damage and we’ve requested the Americans not to do it again.’

A week after the attack, a local English newspaper published the names and home villages of 80 victims. Sixty-nine were reported as children aged 17 or under. According to the paper’s sources,


Snip...


The rest is here;

http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/

[Carson]

Shit, that deserves it's own thread.


It says this happened in 2006. It all seems to be going right over our heads.

[Giuliani was there on 911]

You guys seriously can't believe that this saddened him? That he doesn't have a shred of humanity in him?

he's a murderous psychopath. I doubt it saddened him. It was just another political opportunity for him.

[KingNothing]

AF, you cited examples of actual heroes. They really do exist. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that you in particular are a blowhard and that you in particular would not act heroically. That's all.

[acptulsa]

AF, you cited examples of actual heroes. They really do exist. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that you in particular are a blowhard and that you in particular would not act heroically. That's all.

You can tell all of that from some blog posts, can you?

Let's set aside the question of whether or not the man is a blowhard for the moment. Some of the most heroic people you'll ever meet are blowhards. A lack of an internal censor is no handicap when the shit hits the fan.

So my advice is lay off the insults; it doesn't pay when you wind up insulting only your own intelligence.


"They had their entire lives ahead of them." - Obama

Yes Obama, just as we do stuck with your Executive Orders. That thought can actually make one cry REAL tears.

It does seem like an opportune time to remind him that the survivors damned well deserve their God-given and Constitutionally-guaranteed liberties, doesn't it? It would be a crying shame to have the survivors grow up to decide that their 'less lucky' classmates were the lucky ones after all.

[Anti Federalist]

AF, you cited examples of actual heroes. They really do exist. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that you in particular are a blowhard and that you in particular would not act heroically. That's all.

Well, there you are wrong.

I have the citations to prove it.

Not that you'd really care or believe me or that I feel a particular need to defend myself against some internet poster.

I'm just curious why you are so filled with self loathing and fear to be blinded to the fact that normal everyday people can and do act heroically and selflessly every single day, and not sit back, detached, lacking any empathy and giggling?

[paulbot24]

AF, you cited examples of actual heroes. They really do exist. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that you in particular are a blowhard and that you in particular would not act heroically. That's all.

I'm sure AF is in tears over your character assassination and he can't respond right now so I'll do it for him. Here you go tough guy:
http://i.qkme.me/3qzgs4.jpg

[Republicanguy]

George W Bush shed a tear in 2007 during the Surge.

You must not forget their is some humanity in everyone including those in office, if you dwell on any bad incident reality will become much more difficult to live.

Btw, in 2007 Alex Jone's Infowars.com had a flash ad banner claiming if 9/11 was a fraud then so was the Apollo Moon missions. He cannot be trusted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpm7aEPwwUM

That's just great, I know their can't be a god when looking at that.

[KingNothing]

Well, there you are wrong.

I have the citations to prove it.

Not that you'd really care or believe me or that I feel a particular need to defend myself against some internet poster.

I'm just curious why you are so filled with self loathing and fear to be blinded to the fact that normal everyday people can and do act heroically and selflessly every single day, and not sit back, detached, lacking any empathy and giggling?

I don't think you understand. You are the only thing I am criticizing. I've seen heroic people take action. I've seen people act selflessly to do the right thing. You are a 300+ pound blowhard. Even if you would act heroically, I question if you would have the intellectual or physical dexterity to actually do anything effective. To me you seem like nothing more than a bullshitter. A talker who does not act. I may be wrong, but let's be honest - I'm not.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't think you understand. You are the only thing I am criticizing. I've seen heroic people take action. I've seen people act selflessly to do the right thing. You are a 300+ pound blowhard. Even if you would act heroically, I question if you would have the intellectual or physical dexterity to actually do anything effective. To me you seem like nothing more than a bullshitter. A talker who does not act. I may be wrong, but let's be honest - I'm not.

Oh, ok, so you've taken it upon yourself to make it your personal vendetta to "expose" someone you know nothing about, whom you've never met, and have no idea whether they are telling the truth or not.

Be my guest.

I know what's true.

Carry on now.

[Anti Federalist]

A talker who does not act. I may be wrong, but let's be honest - I'm not.

Oh wait, to this, in the realm of the fight for freedom we find ourselves in, yes, I plead guilty as charged.

I have not done one tenth of the work that some have done, or sacrificed one tenth the sacrifices, that were made by many of the men that have gone before me.

Just right here, people like Gunny, and llepard and Deborah K and Semetary, names that come to mind right off the top of my head, have far surpassed anything that I have done.

Historically, the sacrifices of those that have gone before are many times greater than that.

One of the reasons we're in the mess we are right now.

I doubt very much you are in any position to pass judgment on that, but, whatever, I have no idea who you are.

[NoOneButPaul]

Here this ass hole comes again interrupting my football game...

[AuH20]

I don't want the government looking after any children. Sorry bub.

[AuH20]

The lives of our children exceed our right to freedom. ROFL Get this scumbag off the TV.

[Anti Federalist]

The lives of our children exceed our right to freedom. ROFL Get this scumbag off the TV.

He actually said this?

We've already given up our freedom.

We're spied on and under 24/7 surveillance. Your agents grope and harass us at airports and now, surely, schools.

You have multi billion dollar facilities watching and recording every thing we do.

Your police kill us and our pets with impunity, in the name of their safety.

You said give up freedom, and we did.

You said it would make us secure.

You lied.

[AuH20]

He actually said this?

To paraphrase. Yes.

[FreeHampshire]

Why doesn't Obama cry for the hundreds of kids he killed with his drones

[Odin]

I'm surprised he's using this occasion as a way to promote gun control though he didn't say it outright. I thought he might at least try to appear less political than that.

[Pericles]

If only these kids had grown up.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D_Zv2HjlDJA/TZZD67Eo7fI/AAAAAAAAQVk/rNQQNR4NRh4/s1600/military_coffins3.jpg

They had their entire lives ahead of them, too.

[AuH20]

Using "the children" as hostages for gun control. The President is quite the slippery fellow.

[AGRP]

Obama is trolling you guys big time lol

[sluggo]

Did he "cry" again? I changed the channel when it started.

[Odin]

Someone mentioned something to me that was interesting, in the speech the other day where Obama was 'crying', he wasn't wiping tears away from his tear ducts he was wiping them out of the corner of his eye. Tears don't form there.

[PaulConventionWV]

George W Bush shed a tear in 2007 during the Surge.

You must not forget their is some humanity in everyone including those in office, if you dwell on any bad incident reality will become much more difficult to live.

Btw, in 2007 Alex Jone's Infowars.com had a flash ad banner claiming if 9/11 was a fraud then so was the Apollo Moon missions. He cannot be trusted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpm7aEPwwUM

That's just great, I know their can't be a god when looking at that.

Yeah. Makes perfect sense. Because you saw a picture of space, you know God doesn't exist.

[PaulConventionWV]

Oh, ok, so you've taken it upon yourself to make it your personal vendetta to "expose" someone you know nothing about, whom you've never met, and have no idea whether they are telling the truth or not.

Be my guest.

I know what's true.

Carry on now.

+rep for this level-headed response to that blow-hard who talks everyone else down without offering himself up for denigration.