55 Reasons Why California Is The Worst State In America

[Keith and stuff]

55 Reasons Why California Is The Worst State In America
Michael Snyder
The Economic Collapse
December 12th, 2012
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/55-reasons-why-california-is-the-worst-state-in-america_122012

There are tons of links in the article. I recommend checking it out. Oh, and if you live in CA, I highly recommend you leave. This year alone, the voters increase state business taxes by 1 billion a year, greatly increased income taxes and increased sales taxes. That's not to mention all of the other tax increases, bonds issues and gun control. Things will only get worse in the future.

Here are 10 of the reasons.
1. One survey of business executives has ranked California as the worst state in America to do business for 8 years in a row.

2. In 2011, the state of California ranked 50th out of all 50 states in new business creation.

3. According to one recent study, California is the worst-governed state in the entire country.

4. Thanks to Proposition 30, California now boasts the highest state income tax rate in the nation.

5. Even though California just raised taxes dramatically on the wealthy, state revenues are falling like a rock. State revenue for November 2012 was 10.8 percent below projections.

6. California has the highest sales tax rate in the United States.

7. California has the 8th highest corporate income tax rate in the country.

8. California has the highest “minimum corporate tax” in the country. Each corporation must pay at least $800 to the state even if a corporation does not make a single dollar of profit.

9. California is tied with New York for the highest gasoline tax rate in the country.

10. California is the only state in America that taxes carbon emissions.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/California1-300x300.jpg

[BAllen]

They're making sure people pay their 'fair share'.

[klamath]

5. Even though California just raised taxes dramatically on the wealthy, state revenues are falling like a rock. State revenue for November 2012 was 10.8 percent below projections.
I wish they wouldn't do this shit. It brings into question every other statistic they quote. The tax increases have not taken effect yet. Don't blow your argument with an obvious error.

[cbrons]

55 Reasons Why California Is The Worst State In America
Michael Snyder
The Economic Collapse
December 12th, 2012
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/55-reasons-why-california-is-the-worst-state-in-america_122012

There are tons of links in the article. I recommend checking it out. Oh, and if you live in CA, I highly recommend you leave. This year alone, the voters increase state business taxes by 1 billion a year, greatly increased income taxes and increased sales taxes. That's not to mention all of the other tax increases, bonds issues and gun control. Things will only get worse in the future.

Here are 10 of the reasons.
1. One survey of business executives has ranked California as the worst state in America to do business for 8 years in a row.

2. In 2011, the state of California ranked 50th out of all 50 states in new business creation.

3. According to one recent study, California is the worst-governed state in the entire country.

4. Thanks to Proposition 30, California now boasts the highest state income tax rate in the nation.

5. Even though California just raised taxes dramatically on the wealthy, state revenues are falling like a rock. State revenue for November 2012 was 10.8 percent below projections.

6. California has the highest sales tax rate in the United States.

7. California has the 8th highest corporate income tax rate in the country.

8. California has the highest “minimum corporate tax” in the country. Each corporation must pay at least $800 to the state even if a corporation does not make a single dollar of profit.

9. California is tied with New York for the highest gasoline tax rate in the country.

10. California is the only state in America that taxes carbon emissions.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/California1-300x300.jpg

I don't know, Illinois is so similar in California MINUS the fact that the weather in Illinois is horrible.

[Keith and stuff]

I wish they wouldn't do this shit. It brings into question every other statistic they quote. The tax increases have not taken effect yet. Don't blow your argument with an obvious error.

Yeah, all 55 reasons weren't amazing. Some weren't amazing but were funny. For example.

35. Los Angeles
36. San Francisco
37. Oakland
38. Stockton
39. Sacramento

I am not sure how accurate that was, but it was my favorite part.

These questions are for anyone and everyone. Which reason was your favorite? Anything missing you think should be added?

[Jingles]

Did I honestly need a list for this? I thought this was default.

[fletcher]

7. California has the 8th highest corporate income tax rate in the country.

How does having the 8th highest corporate income tax rate in the country make California the worst state in the country? Wouldn't that make it the 8th worst state in the county? I understand that that can contribute to why California is the worst state, but that certainly isn't a reason it is the #1 worst state.

[Keith and stuff]

How does having the 8th highest corporate income tax rate in the country make California the worst state in the country? Wouldn't that make it the 8th worst state in the county? I understand that that can contribute to why California is the worst state, but that certainly isn't a reason it is the #1 worst state.

I love your use of semantics. Were you an English major? :D

[Vanilluxe]

A gazillion reasons why California is the BEST state in the country!

1. We have the San Francisco Giants and won two world series in 2010 and 2012!

2. California has the largest economy in the U.S.

3. We have Silicon Valley.

4. There a gazillions of cultures and diversity all over the world in California; compared places with little like Nebraska.

5. We have Hollywood that makes all of your movies.

6. We have both cold and hot weather, mountains and crowded cities, forests and plains, farms and beaches. All the types of terrain in California.

7. Major events and conventions happen in California, while I never heard of New Hampshire hosting an international car show or something big like that.

8. We make the best wine in America right here in Napa Valley.

9. We have the most congressional seats and the most votes in the electoral college.

10. We have BART one of the best subway systems in America. I doubt New Hampshire has any.

If need be I still have tons of reasons why Cal is the best state ever!

[KrokHead]

1. They have Earthquakes
2. The 405
3. 5 baseball teams
4. No football team in LA
5. San Francisco
6. Democrats
7. See reason 6
8. See reason 7
etc.

[Anti Federalist]

God damn, you're right.

All you Californians, Listen up!

Move back, now, things are great.

NH sucks, stay away by all means.

Same thing goes for you Mass-holes too.

Stay in Boston, please.

(Excepting Shemdogg, of course.)


A gazillion reasons why California is the BEST state in the country!

1. We have the San Francisco Giants and won two world series in 2010 and 2012!

2. California has the largest economy in the U.S.

3. We have Silicon Valley.

4. There a gazillions of cultures and diversity all over the world in California; compared places with little like Nebraska.

5. We have Hollywood that makes all of your movies.

6. We have both cold and hot weather, mountains and crowded cities, forests and plains, farms and beaches. All the types of terrain in California.

7. Major events and conventions happen in California, while I never heard of New Hampshire hosting an international car show or something big like that.

8. We make the best wine in America right here in Napa Valley.

9. We have the most congressional seats and the most votes in the electoral college.

10. We have BART one of the best subway systems in America. I doubt New Hampshire has any.

If need be I still have tons of reasons why Cal is the best state ever!

[Keith and stuff]

A gazillion reasons why California is the BEST state in the country!

1. We have the San Francisco Giants and won two world series in 2010 and 2012!

7. Major events and conventions happen in California, while I never heard of New Hampshire hosting an international car show or something big like that.

10. We have BART one of the best subway systems in America. I doubt New Hampshire has any.

I don't think talking about fascism and socialism is going to impress most of the people on this forum. It is good that taxpayers subsidize a baseball team owner by the elite? It is good that taxpayers subsidize conferences likely run by wealthy people? It is good that there is a massive failure of a subway system subsidized by taxpayers?

MA (in the towns just south of NH and much of the rest of the state) has a massive train and subway system. The taxpayers of MA subsidize it. There are a bunch of winning pro teams in MA that the taxpayers of MA subsidize. We get to enjoy that stuff, but our taxpayers don't have to subsidize it. It is like Amtrak. Sure we have Amtrak in NH but the people of MA, ME and federal taxpayers subsidize it. The people of CA and federal taxpayers subsidize the Amtrak trains in CA.

Anyway, there isn't really a CA vs. NH war and I appropriate you defending your homeland. To me, this thread is more about the problems of CA than about NH. I think we just have different priorities. I don't feel good about a gun to my head and someone forcing me to send my money to rich people ;)

[Vanilluxe]

I don't think talking about fascism and socialism is going to impress most of the people on this forum. It is good that taxpayers subsidize a baseball team owner by the elite? It is good that taxpayers subsidize conferences likely run by wealthy people? It is good that there is a massive failure of a subway system subsidized by taxpayers?

MA (in the towns just south of NH and much of the rest of the state) has a massive train and subway system. The taxpayers of MA subsidize it. There are a bunch of winning pro teams in MA that the taxpayers of MA subsidize. We get to enjoy that stuff, but our taxpayers don't have to subsidize it. It is like Amtrak. Sure we have Amtrak in NH but the people of MA, ME and federal taxpayers subsidize it. The people of CA and federal taxpayers subsidize the Amtrak trains in CA.

Anyway, there isn't really a CA vs. NH war and I appropriate you defending your homeland. I think we just have different priorities. I don't feel good about a gun to my head and someone forcing me to send my money to rich people ;)

Lmao, I have be there to support the state that John Dennis lives in too!

[Keith and stuff]

Lmao, I have be there to support the state that John Dennis lives in too!

Now I know you are just being sarcastic :D

[oyarde]

#'s 1 through 4 say it all . And, yes , I would rather live in Nebraska, even though I do not.

[KerriAnn]

I've lived in Nebraska, Kentucky, and North Carolina. I've spent a lot of my time in other states like South Carolina, West Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana. I currently live in California. I hate it here. I mean, the weather is great, and I love the cultural diversity, but that's it. Every time I try to stretch my arms and flex some of my constitutional rights, something cuts me down. Gun control like crazy, taxes eating up my income, etc. I would love to move to Indiana or even back to Nebraska. I feel so stuck here.

[youngbuck]

If it weren't for the gov't and its commie followers, CA would be the best state. Why'd they have to pick the best one to ruin?!:(

[Odin]

If it weren't for the gov't and its commie followers, CA would be the best state. Why'd they have to pick the best one to ruin?!:(

Seriously. I'm lucky enough to live in an extremely beautiful place imo, love it here but its just becoming ridiculous.

[oyarde]

I've lived in Nebraska, Kentucky, and North Carolina. I've spent a lot of my time in other states like South Carolina, West Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana. I currently live in California. I hate it here. I mean, the weather is great, and I love the cultural diversity, but that's it. Every time I try to stretch my arms and flex some of my constitutional rights, something cuts me down. Gun control like crazy, taxes eating up my income, etc. I would love to move to Indiana or even back to Nebraska. I feel so stuck here. Indiana or Nebraska would be happy to have you I am sure .

[Aeroneous]

A gazillion reasons why California is the BEST state in the country!

1. We have the San Francisco Giants and won two world series in 2010 and 2012!

And plenty of other teams have won the World Series numerous times. Oh and you forgot to mention that sweet Rally Monkey down at the Los Angeles Angels of Anah-... what a ridiculous decision that name change was.


2. California has the largest economy in the U.S.

Large doesn't denote good. The unemployment rate in that economy is horrible... at one point Riverside County exceeded 20%.


3. We have Silicon Valley.

Which is heavily outsourced overseas.


4. There a gazillions of cultures and diversity all over the world in California; compared places with little like Nebraska.

Very true. Hard to match the cultural diversity in CA.


5. We have Hollywood that makes all of your movies.

We can film movies anywhere! And they frequently do, anyway.


6. We have both cold and hot weather, mountains and crowded cities, forests and plains, farms and beaches. All the types of terrain in California.

This is the one thing I really miss in the midwest. Just seeing mountains in your rearview mirror was so nice.


7. Major events and conventions happen in California, while I never heard of New Hampshire hosting an international car show or something big like that.

During the one week I spent in NH, I ran into several car shows. Everything is just on a smaller, more community-based scale up there. You just don't see much of that in California. While big events can be really cool, I never really felt a sense of "community" growing up in California.


8. We make the best wine in America right here in Napa Valley.

Not a wine afficionado, but I hear this is the truth.


9. We have the most congressional seats and the most votes in the electoral college.

All those electoral votes will always go to a Democratic candidate. Not a whole lot different than most of the other states in the country, but California is certainly one of the more hopeless states.


10. We have BART one of the best subway systems in America. I doubt New Hampshire has any.

Why would you want to go underground in NH? It's so beautiful!


If need be I still have tons of reasons why Cal is the best state ever!

You forgot the tremendous Starbucks-per-square-mile ratio.

[Carehn]

Not only that... But Californians are the scourge of the earth. They suck. every one in the west hates them. I have older posts on this issue. Californians are the mothers of harlots and abominations of the earth!

[Carehn]

Back in the day Oregon had signs on the Oregon California border that said 'Welcome to Oregon please don't stay.'

[paulbot24]

Silicon Valley? Is that what they are calling Hollywood now or is it referring to the area where they film most of the porn movies these days?

[Vanilluxe]

Back in the day Oregon had signs on the Oregon California border that said 'Welcome to Oregon please don't stay.'

We californians hate the Oregon tree hugging hippies too ;)

[Vanilluxe]

11. If you go shopping in California, you can find a Palooza amount of stores, restaurants, and a bunch of things you can buy, while people in New Hampshire needs to go down to Massachusetts sometimes to go shopping in some of those special and unique stores.

12. If you live in San Francisco you can walk or take a bus to any place and no need to use a car.

13. There are a gazillion airports in CA where you can fly to many destinations such as France, Germany, Turkey, Portugal, Spain, Japan, or anywhere else.

14. We have fun activities such as mining gold (especially as all of us RP forum fans love gold) in Eureka and parts of Eastern California.

15. We have Lake Tahoe where you can water ski or ski in winter time and have an all you can eat lobster buffet!

16. We own the Golden Gate Bridge.

17. We have the top universities in the country! UC Berkeley, Stanford, UC LA, and on and on.

18. We have major technology companies located here including Apple, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

19. We have the premier solar technology invested in this state.

20. We have a whole lot more better wi-fi, cell phone, internet connection than many rural places in America.

[paulbot24]

You own the Golden Gate Bridge? You sure you didn't lease it out to China a couple of years ago in a package deal along with all the jobs you outsourced?

[Vanilluxe]

You own the Golden Gate Bridge? You sure you didn't lease it out to China a couple of years ago in a package deal along with all the jobs you outsourced?

If we did I would be seeing sky-cranes lifting the bridge to Hong Kong or Shanghai.

[paulbot24]

If we did I would be seeing sky-cranes lifting the bridge to Hong Kong or Shanghai.

Fair enough.:D

[Tpoints]

this guy is totally desperate to fill in his 55 reasons.

32. Political correctness is totally out of control in California.

33. One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.

34. The traffic around the big cities is horrific.

35. Los Angeles

36. San Francisco

37. Oakland

38. Stockton

39. Sacramento

40. The rampant gang activity in the state gets even worse with each passing year.

41. Crime continues to rise all over the state.

48. Jerry Brown.

49. The absolutely insane California state legislature.

50. Wildfires.

51. Mudslides.

[Vanilluxe]

21. North Beach (Little Italy), Japantown, Chinatown, Little France, and a bunch of other historic areas that different people have influenced.

22. Meet different kinds of people, I met foreign students at City College of San Francisco from Indonesia, Cambodia, and Ireland.

23. Different colleges that offers variety of courses from wine tasting to learning Italian and German.

24. Most shopping malls and plazas in the U.S.!

25. Values of home worths much more than in a place like Kansas.

26. People here are very accepting of different cultures and different people.

27. San Francisco is cool.

28. No hurricanes

29. California is famous all over the world!

30. Crime rates are lowering despite booming population.

31. We have Fisker cars!

[Vanilluxe]

32. Good sunsets.

33. Great music.

34. Lots of video game stores to get new Pokemon games!

35. We have delicious California Avocados.

36. We have different kinds of restaurants from eating steak tartar to baked tasty sushi.

37. We have an ocean whereas most states are landlocked.

38. We have massive parties!

39. Premier medical research.

40. Monterrey Bay Aquarium.

41. San Francisco Zoo.

42. San Diego Zoo.

43. Disneyland.

44. The Mystery Spot tourist location

45. Alcatraz Island

46. TransAmerica Pyramid

47. The "maverick" wave surfing contest.

48. Only the west coast and CA can produce Dungeoness Crabs.

49. Beautiful architectures

50. Colma, one of the largest cemetery city in the U.S. that has 1500 living residents and 1.5 million "underground" residents.

51. Lots of popular culture refers to California.

52. We produce one of the best chocolates in the country!

53. San Jose Sharks Hockey Team

54. Pebble Beach and its premier golf course.

55. Premier trade access.

56. Most stars and celebrity lives in Cal.

57. Governator

58. Whale watching

59. Crustacean fishing

60. Abalone!

[Aeroneous]

25. Values of home worths much more than in a place like Kansas.

Kansas has a pretty solid real estate market. You can look at the higher values in California two ways... I choose to look at it as a barrier to home ownership. My family is still in southern California, and my mother and I just bought houses in the same month. For the exact same price, my house has triple the square-footage, is located on a lake, has 3 more bedrooms, 2 more bathrooms, is decades ahead in "updates", and I didn't have to outbid the asking price by several thousand dollars just to one-up some investor who is paying in cash. Hell it's nearly the same exact story for the house my cousin is buying in Upland, except his house is costing 150k more than mine. The housing bubble in California was terrible and it really seems like history is just repeating itself out there right now.

[Keith and stuff]

Is there not a single liberty related reason why CA rocks? I'm sure it is a great place for socialists other than the insane crime, high traffic and terrible pollution. There is a lot of culture there for socialists. They are lots of socialists programs all over the state and many of them are the reasons you listed. What about for liberty though? Or is that not possible, since as you point out, it is becoming a socialist paradise :p

[heavenlyboy34]

Not only that... But Californians are the scourge of the earth. They suck. every one in the west hates them. I have older posts on this issue. Californians are the mothers of harlots and abominations of the earth!
LOL! FYI, our own JFK3 is a California native (though he's wised up and transported himself to AZ).

[Vanilluxe]

Is there not a single liberty related reason why CA rocks? I'm sure it is a great place for socialists other than the insane crime, high traffic and terrible pollution. There is a lot of culture there for socialists. They are lots of socialists programs all over the state and many of them are the reasons you listed. What about for liberty though? Or is that not possible, since as you point out, it is becoming a socialist paradise :p

Actually,

61. No toll booths on roads and freeways in CA.

62. No taxes on fresh produce

63. People in California are more tolerant of others who are different.

[Keith and stuff]

Actually,

61. No toll booths on roads and freeways in CA.

62. No taxes on fresh produce

63. People in California are more tolerant of others who are different.

CA has tolls roads :(
I think most states not in the South don't tax healthy, unprepared food.
People and CA seem a lot less tolerant than people where I live.

I don't know how many toll roads/bridges are in CA but the statists love to bring up the example of how a private company tried to built a toll road in CA and failed. The taxpayers took it over and now it is a government toll because, I guess at least in that part of CA, only the government is able to built roads.
http://www.caltax.org/member/digest/July2000/jul00-6.htm

[oyarde]

Actually,

61. No toll booths on roads and freeways in CA.

62. No taxes on fresh produce

63. People in California are more tolerant of others who are different. I pay no tax on food, nor will I , it is immoral.

[kathy88]

71. Meggings

[Tpoints]

Actually,

61. No toll booths on roads and freeways in CA.

62. No taxes on fresh produce

63. People in California are more tolerant of others who are different.

61. & 62. mean 'incompetence' for government

How is 63 a good thing?

[Vanilluxe]

61. & 62. mean 'incompetence' for government

How is 63 a good thing?

Isn't less ignorant people a plus?

[Vanilluxe]

CA has tolls roads :(
I think most states not in the South don't tax healthy, unprepared food.
People and CA seem a lot less tolerant than people where I live.

I don't know how many toll roads/bridges are in CA but the statists love to bring up the example of how a private company tried to built a toll road in CA and failed. The taxpayers took it over and now it is a government toll because, I guess at least in that part of CA, only the government is able to built roads.
http://www.caltax.org/member/digest/July2000/jul00-6.htm

There are toll bridges, but I have never seen a toll freeway or highway in cal, I traveled from the Bay Area to LA and all along there are no toll roads.

[pochy1776]

Only ONE good thing about California, Orange County.

[anaconda]

We are proud to have Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer fighting for truth, justice, and The American Way on a daily basis.

[anaconda]

Only ONE good thing about California, Orange County.


I'm not a big fan of smog, lots of concrete, and generic suburbia. Maybe you're suggesting they are more conservative? But I think most of CA is conservative if you get out of L.A. and the Bay Area.

[Keith and stuff]

It is perhaps the best known toll road in the country to libertarian types because it was such a failure. It was started by a private company but the taxpayers had to pay for it because it was a failed road. It might be the most expensive non bridge toll road in the US. http://www.ie511.org/toll-roads-map.aspx

[Dystopian]

At least people are socially libertarian in California. I live in Oklahoma which has the worst of both worlds. It has a state income tax, toll roads, taxes on groceries, ridiculous alcohol laws, expensive vehicle registration, and the most back assward social conservatives in the U.S. I think I would trade you places and live in California if I could. At least you have beautiful scenery.

[Keith and stuff]

The voters might be socially libertarian but that doesn't translate to law. Freedom in the 50 States might not be completely accurate but it shows CA at #41 for personal freedom. http://mercatus.org/freedom-in-the-50-states/CA

[Shane Harris]

Isn't less ignorant people a plus?

There's a difference between tolerance and ignorance. Californians are tolerant as long as you believe what they believe. God help you if you want to keep your own money or vote republican/libertarian. And they are extremely ignorant.

[Zippyjuan]

I pay no tax on food, nor will I , it is immoral.

In CA you are taxed on prepared, hot foods. Go to a grocery store and pick up a cold but cooked chicken from the deli. Not taxed. Get a hot one and it is. Carbonated beverages are taxed but not non- carbonated.

[Zippyjuan]

If California was a country, it would be the eighth largest economy in the world.

Based on per-capita income, it ranks #17 in the country. http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm

It is #9 in most millionares as a percent of population. http://www.cnbc.com/id/45047643/page/3

The state is home to 53 of the Fortune 500 companies- second only to New York. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/cities/

It is among the 15 lowest property tax states http://images.trulia.com/blogimg/5/d/1/b/135498_1269054183089_o.jpg And those property taxes are based on what you purchased it at- they can't rise more than two percent even if the value of houses in your area doubles for example.

Weather.

[mello]

I emailed this to Adam Carolla a couple days ago. He will have a couple weeks worth of rants from this story alone.

[KerriAnn]

In CA you are taxed on prepared, hot foods. Go to a grocery store and pick up a cold but cooked chicken from the deli. Not taxed. Get a hot one and it is. Carbonated beverages are taxed but not non- carbonated.
Yup. I found this out at subway. Purchase a cold sub, no tax. ask for them to toast it, and you pay tax on it. Stupid.

[sailingaway]

Yup. I found this out at subway. Purchase a cold sub, no tax. ask for them to toast it, and you pay tax on it. Stupid.

srsly?

I had no clue.

[oyarde]

In CA you are taxed on prepared, hot foods. Go to a grocery store and pick up a cold but cooked chicken from the deli. Not taxed. Get a hot one and it is. Carbonated beverages are taxed but not non- carbonated. I pay no tax on groceries , it is exempt , as it should be.Property tax is 1 percent on primary home.

[Brian4Liberty]

18. We have major technology companies located here including Apple, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

19. We have the premier solar technology invested in this state.

20. We have a whole lot more better wi-fi, cell phone, internet connection than many rural places in America.

There's nothing like dropping calls on your iPhone while driving past Apple Headquarters. :p

That empty Solyndra building sure is pretty.

[Keith and stuff]

It is among the 15 lowest property tax states http://images.trulia.com/blogimg/5/d/1/b/135498_1269054183089_o.jpg And those property taxes are based on what you purchased it at- they can't rise more than two percent even if the value of houses in your area doubles for example.
By rates, but if you go by property taxes as in money, CA is in the top 1/2 in the US.

[Indy Vidual]

A gazillion reasons why California is the BEST state in the country!

1. We have the San Francisco Giants and won two world series in 2010 and 2012!

2. California has the largest economy in the U.S.

3. We have Silicon Valley.

4. There a gazillions of cultures and diversity all over the world in California; compared places with little like Nebraska.

5. We have Hollywood that makes all of your movies.

6. We have both cold and hot weather, mountains and crowded cities, forests and plains, farms and beaches. All the types of terrain in California.

7. Major events and conventions happen in California, while I never heard of New Hampshire hosting an international car show or something big like that.

8. We make the best wine in America right here in Napa Valley.

9. We have the most congressional seats and the most votes in the electoral college.

10. We have BART one of the best subway systems in America. I doubt New Hampshire has any.

If need be I still have tons of reasons why Cal is the best state ever!

Yes, Cal is great in some ways.
Northern for nature and open spaces, Southern for beaches, etc...

[KerriAnn]

That empty Solyndra building sure is pretty.
HA! I drive past that building all the time. Last time I bothered to look at it, it had a huge "For lease" sign on it. What a joke.

[Vanilluxe]

HA! I drive past that building all the time. Last time I bothered to look at it, it had a huge "For lease" sign on it. What a joke.

Thats why my parents are now using solar city to install panels on the roof of my house.

[Zippyjuan]

By rates, but if you go by property taxes as in money, CA is in the top 1/2 in the US.
Is that per house or state total? Being one of the biggest states, it would certainly be there in total state revenues simply because they have more real estate.

[anaconda]

Yup. I found this out at subway. Purchase a cold sub, no tax. ask for them to toast it, and you pay tax on it. Stupid.

I thought all fast food was taxed. Subway, McDonald's, Burger King, etc.

[anaconda]

HA! I drive past that building all the time. Last time I bothered to look at it, it had a huge "For lease" sign on it. What a joke.

Right there in Fremont. I'm up and down 880 all the time, too.

[Keith and stuff]

Is that per house or state total? Being one of the biggest states, it would certainly be there in total state revenues simply because they have more real estate.

When I say property taxes are high, I mean the amount of property tax property owners pay in property taxes is high. I certainly don't mean rates. Rates are certainly a legitimate thing to compare. However, you are comparing property tax rates, not property taxes, in that case.

I wouldn't mean state total. That's a legitimate way to compare things too, but usually, mostly meaningless. It would need to be something which is comparable in more than 1 states so something like per capita, per household or per property owner.

Anyway, 1 of the best things about CA is the Romney spends more time in CA than any other state. Or how about Ashley Judd working there. The House Minority Leader lives in CA. The House Republic Whip lives in CA.

[John F Kennedy III]

God damn, you're right.

All you Californians, Listen up!

Move back, now, things are great.

NH sucks, stay away by all means.

Same thing goes for you Mass-holes too.

Stay in Boston, please.

(Excepting Shemdogg, of course.)

Send all the Massholes to Kalifornia. I don't see how that's even a hard sell for tax loving, nanny state loving socialists.

Shit, wouldn't surprise me a bit if Cali's population started rising.

Oh wait...they don't like to live in the end result of their glorious infallible system.

[John F Kennedy III]

And plenty of other teams have won the World Series numerous times. Oh and you forgot to mention that sweet Rally Monkey down at the Los Angeles Angels of Anah-... what a ridiculous decision that name change was.



Large doesn't denote good. The unemployment rate in that economy is horrible... at one point Riverside County exceeded 20%.



Which is heavily outsourced overseas.



Very true. Hard to match the cultural diversity in CA.



We can film movies anywhere! And they frequently do, anyway.



This is the one thing I really miss in the midwest. Just seeing mountains in your rearview mirror was so nice.



During the one week I spent in NH, I ran into several car shows. Everything is just on a smaller, more community-based scale up there. You just don't see much of that in California. While big events can be really cool, I never really felt a sense of "community" growing up in California.



Not a wine afficionado, but I hear this is the truth.



All those electoral votes will always go to a Democratic candidate. Not a whole lot different than most of the other states in the country, but California is certainly one of the more hopeless states.



Why would you want to go underground in NH? It's so beautiful!



You forgot the tremendous Starbucks-per-square-mile ratio.

1. I like to pretend Dusty Baker never pulled Russ Ortiz.

2. The REAL unemployment in Merced, Ca is 40% at least. Merced County is at least 35%. GTFO of KALIFORNIA.

[John F Kennedy III]

LOL! FYI, our own JFK3 is a California native (though he's wised up and transported himself to AZ).

Haha. Arizona is heaven compared to Cali.

[Tpoints]

I'm not a big fan of smog, lots of concrete, and generic suburbia. Maybe you're suggesting they are more conservative? But I think most of CA is conservative if you get out of L.A. and the Bay Area.

you live in Oakland, no wonder.

[heavenlyboy34]

Haha. Arizona is heaven compared to Cali.
I visited San Diego once. I liked the weather better than Phoenix. I was only ~11 then though, so I didn't really get to know the place.

[oyarde]

San Diego has wonderful weather , but I would not trade that for the sales tax .

[Zippyjuan]

Never officially hits freezing (below 32 degrees) and unless you go inland to the desert areas, rarely even 90 on the other end of the scale. "Winter" means rain (which we are getting now and usually lasts for two to three months). This means significantly lower energy costs. My sister in Texas said she spent $300 on air conditioning in July. Granted I have only a one bedroom condo but my utility bill runs about $35 a month year round (not including water and heating or using it). How would your heating and cooling expenses compare to the cost of what the sales tax difference would be? With mountains (OK- I grew up in Colorado- what we have here are NOT mountains) and deserts nearby you can go surfing or skiiing on the same day in winter.

[oyarde]

I do not pay for heat , I use wood, I have heat and even light ( oil lamps in every room ) , even if the electric is out .I usually run the air in July & Aug, we have cheap coal fired electric.

[klamath]

Never officially hits freezing (below 32 degrees) and unless you go inland to the desert areas, rarely even 90 on the other end of the scale. "Winter" means rain (which we are getting now and usually lasts for two to three months). This means significantly lower energy costs. My sister in Texas said she spent $300 on air conditioning in July. Granted I have only a one bedroom condo but my utility bill runs about $35 a month year round (not including water and heating or using it). How would your heating and cooling expenses compare to the cost of what the sales tax difference would be? With mountains (OK- I grew up in Colorado- what we have here are NOT mountains) and deserts nearby you can go surfing or skiiing on the same day in winter.
The mountains of California are higher than The Colorado rockies.

[Zippyjuan]

Not the ones near San Diego. Colorado also has more peaks above 14,000 feet than any other state.
Palomar Mountain is barely over 6,000 feet.

[Danke]

The mountains of California are higher than The Colorado rockies.

One mountain by 124' Mount Whitney.

[klamath]

Why I don't leave California.
No state can touch the geological and meterological diversity of California.

Just to touch on it a bit. CA landscape has;
lowest point in western hemispere.
Highest point in in cont US
Most severe desert in US
Least rainfall record in the US.
Highest temperature record US
Deepest canyon in US
sheerist rockface in the world.
highest waterfall in the US
largest tree in the world.
oldest living tree in the world.
Second highest Volcano in the US
greatest monthly snowfall record in the world
Greatest single storm snowfall record in the world
One of the few growing glaciers in the US
fifth highest rainfall in the US
Tallest tree in the world.

[anaconda]

you live in Oakland, no wonder.

Not for long.

[Danke]

Why I don't leave California.
No state can touch the geological and meterological diversity of California.

Just to touch on it a bit. CA landscape has;
lowest point in western hemispere.
Highest point in in cont US
Most severe desert in US
Least rainfall record in the US.
Highest temperature record US
Deepest canyon in US
sheerist rockface in the world.
highest waterfall in the US
largest tree in the world.
oldest living tree in the world.
Second highest Volcano in the US
greatest monthly snowfall record in the world
Greatest single storm snowfall record in the world
One of the few growing glaciers in the US
fifth highest rainfall in the US
Tallest tree in the world.

And lots of fruits and nuts.

[QuickZ06]

Why I don't leave California.
No state can touch the geological and meterological diversity of California.

Least rainfall record in the US.
fifth highest rainfall in the US

LOL, Wat?

[klamath]

LOL, Wat?
Two different areas of the state.

[klamath]

Yep maore than any other state including both the urban and tree varities.;)
And lots of fruits and nuts.
By the way what is it that SA is censoring from your posts.

[Danke]

Yep maore than any other state including both the urban and tree varities.;)
By the way what is it that SA is censoring from your posts.

It is not just my posts. :D ;) But we love her.

[KerriAnn]

I thought all fast food was taxed. Subway, McDonald's, Burger King, etc.
I thought so too, but at the subway by my place of work, they even posted a copy of the legislation that applies to their tax rules. I guess a lot of people were confused about why they were paying 5 bucks for a footlong that wasn't toasted, but then had to pay the tax on the toasted sub. They highlighted the relevant section and posted it by the register. Kind of funny.

[Keith and stuff]

I thought so too, but at the subway by my place of work, they even posted a copy of the legislation that applies to their tax rules. I guess a lot of people were confused about why they were paying 5 bucks for a footlong that wasn't toasted, but then had to pay the tax on the toasted sub. They highlighted the relevant section and posted it by the register. Kind of funny.

Don't worry, now that Democrats have a super majority is the CA legislature and control of the governorship, I'm sure they will find a way to tax that.

[anaconda]

I thought so too, but at the subway by my place of work, they even posted a copy of the legislation that applies to their tax rules. I guess a lot of people were confused about why they were paying 5 bucks for a footlong that wasn't toasted, but then had to pay the tax on the toasted sub. They highlighted the relevant section and posted it by the register. Kind of funny.

You mean if I buy only a milkshake at McDonald's they won't tax me (cold item)? What about a salad at McDonald's?

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/full_menu/salads.html

[Zippyjuan]

Since there have been more questions- more info on the California sales tax laws:
http://www.ehow.com/list_6776720_california-fast-food-tax-laws.html

Take-Out Food

Under regulation 1603 of California's sales and use tax regulations, sales tax should be assessed on hot food products that are sold as to-go orders at fast food restaurants. The amount of the tax is the standard state sales tax rate. However, take-out orders of cold food, like veggie sandwiches, ice cream and doughnuts, are exempt from taxation under state rules.


Take-Out Drinks

Regulations state that the state sales tax does not apply to hot beverages that are sold to go, like coffee and cappuccino. It does apply however, to cold drinks, like carbonated soda and lemonade.


Dine-In Food

Sales tax applies to all hot prepared food products that are sold for immediate consumption, either at or near the fast food restaurant selling the food. This does not apply to food that is sold in large enough quantities that they are obviously not intended for immediate on-premises or near-premises consumption.


Dine-In Drinks

Most hot drinks and cold drinks alike that are ordered for dining in at fast food restaurants are taxed, but the state has created exceptions for water and juices.


Coupons & Discounts

When a fast food restaurant offers a promotion that gives a free meal to a customer who buys another meal at the regular price, the restaurant is regarded as selling two meals for the price of one and the tax only applies to the price of the paid meal.

Read more: California Fast Food Tax Laws | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6776720_california-fast-food-tax-laws.html#ixzz2FSCgmlDI

[oyarde]

I would not live there. Californians must like taxes.Good for them, pay all you like, what do you recieve for it ??

[Zippyjuan]

You are still welcomed to come and visit our beautiful state!

[Keith and stuff]

I would not live there. Californians must like taxes.Good for them, pay all you like, what do you recieve for it ??

They seem to love taxes. The voted in increase business taxes by a billion dollars and for increases in the sales and income taxes last month.

[klamath]

They seem to love taxes. The voted in increase business taxes by a billion dollars and for increases in the sales and income taxes last month. You like to paint with a broad brush don't you? I guess all NH people love foreign wars, taxes and obamacare. They voted for it twice.

[Keith and stuff]

You like to paint with a broad brush don't you? I guess all NH people love foreign wars, taxes and obamacare. They voted for it twice.

In November, the people of NH voted to not create new taxes. In November, the people of CA voted for billions of dollars of tax increases. I don't think the people of NH or CA voted on foreign wars or ObamaCare.

CA issues http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_2012_ballot_propositions
NH issues http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/New_Hampshire_2012_ballot_measures

CA has the highest income and sales taxes in the US because voters voted for that. 53,000,000 was spent trying to convince the voters of CA from creating the highest income and sales taxes in the US but the voters of CA wouldn't listen.

61% voted for it http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_39,_Income_Tax_Increase_for _Multistate_Businesses_%282012%29

Over 55% voted for it http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_30,_Sales_and_Income_Tax_In crease_%282012%29

[klamath]

In november NH voted to for BO. In Feb NH voted for MITT Romney. surprise surprise! NH voted for a McCain, McCain deciple Oyotte, Obama, Clinton. NH held the keys to the nomination and what the fuck did they do but hand it to Romney. Thanks a whole lot! The people of NH screwed the whole country over. In fact I am starting to question whether we even want NH to be the first in the nation Primary. I really think that MN, ND, KY or ID should start receiving the honor of the primary gatekeeper.

[Keith and stuff]

In november NH voted to for BO. In Feb NH voted for MITT Romney. surprise surprise! NH voted for a McCain,
Voting for a candidate isn't the same as voting for taxes. NH clearly voted for no new income tax. The voters of CA voted for billions of dollars in tax increases. Anyway, didn't they also vote for BO, MR and JM?


NH held the keys to the nomination and what the fuck did they do but hand it to Romney. Thanks a whole lot! The people of NH screwed the whole country over. In fact I am starting to question whether we even want NH to be the first in the nation Primary. I really think that MN, ND, KY or ID should start receiving the honor of the primary gatekeeper.
NH created the whole process. Before NH made the primary famous, it was all decided in smoke filled rooms. Now, some people in most of the states have a say in the process. You should thank NH for that. Instead, you are mad about it. I don't get it. As for Romney winning NH, yes, he won a bunch of states. It could have been worse, someone even worse like NG or RS could have won.

Anyway, Ron Paul did best in NH. Not bad, not bad at all. Let's compare NH and CA since that is what you keep doing for some reason. BTW, I don't hate CA. It seems like a great place to visit. I enjoyed visiting CA recently.

Ron Paul's success in the NH Primary gave him a 70% boost in the South Carolina polls. How much of a boost did Ron Paul get in other states because of Ron Paul's performance in the CA Primary? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?530-Paul%E2%80%99s-New-Hampshire-Bump

Ron Paul’s Success in New Hampshire Boosted his Support by 25% Nationally. Again, what about CA? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?563-Ron-Paul%E2%80%99s-Success-in-New-Hampshire-Boosted-his-Support-by-25-Nationally

Percentage of total state population voting for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary or Republican Caucus, ranked highest to lowest (and the 2008 percentage):
1. New Hampshire 4.3% (1.4%)
34. California 0.4% (0.3%)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?360037-Percentage-of-total-state-population-voting-for-Ron-Paul-compared

Ron Paul Support by Region:
1. Northern New England 28%
6. West Coast 18%
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?366812-Ron-Paul-Support-by-Region

Northern New England (VT, NH, ME)
Average 28%
VT 26%
NH 23%
ME 36%

West Coast (HI, AK, WA, OR, CA)
Average 18%
HI 19%
AK 24%
WA 25%
OR 13%
CA 10%

[klamath]

Voting for a candidate isn't the same as voting for taxes. NH clearly voted for no new income tax. The voters of CA voted for billions of dollars in tax increases. Anyway, didn't they also vote for BO, MR and JM?


NH created the whole process. Before NH made the primary famous, it was all decided in smoke filled rooms. Now, some people in most of the states have a say in the process. You should thank NH for that. Instead, you are mad about it. I don't get it. As for Romney winning NH, yes, he won a bunch of states. It could have been worse, someone even worse like NG or RS could have won.

Anyway, Ron Paul did best in NH. Not bad, not bad at all. Let's compare NH and CA since that is what you keep doing for some reason. BTW, I don't hate CA. It seems like a great place to visit. I enjoyed visiting CA recently.

Ron Paul's success in the NH Primary gave him a 70% boost in the South Carolina polls. How much of a boost did Ron Paul get in other states because of Ron Paul's performance in the CA Primary? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?530-Paul%E2%80%99s-New-Hampshire-Bump

Ron Paul’s Success in New Hampshire Boosted his Support by 25% Nationally. Again, what about CA? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?563-Ron-Paul%E2%80%99s-Success-in-New-Hampshire-Boosted-his-Support-by-25-Nationally

Percentage of total state population voting for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary or Republican Caucus, ranked highest to lowest (and the 2008 percentage):
1. New Hampshire 4.3% (1.4%)
34. California 0.4% (0.3%)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?360037-Percentage-of-total-state-population-voting-for-Ron-Paul-compared

Ron Paul Support by Region:
1. Northern New England 28%
6. West Coast 18%
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?366812-Ron-Paul-Support-by-Region

Northern New England (VT, NH, ME)
Average 28%
VT 26%
NH 23%
ME 36%

West Coast (HI, AK, WA, OR, CA)
Average 18%
HI 19%
AK 24%
WA 25%
OR 13%
CA 10%
What I don't get is you start a thread bashing California. Sure we have a lot to be bashed about but then you can't let it go and continue to broad brush everyone in California. At one time you even tried to say California didn't have hardly any trees, when in fact there are probably more forests than the whole state of NH.
The lies, damned lies and then there are statistics. Your numbers mean nothing, Because by the time the west coast even gets to vote the nomination is already tied up and voters don't even bother to turn out. Put WA, ID, or ND in first place where their votes make or break a candidate and the numbers are going to be a whole lot different.

[Keith and stuff]

What I don't get is you start a thread bashing California.
It was from an article. It had 55 points. I didn't even post all of the points.


At one time you even tried to say California didn't have hardly any trees, when in fact there are probably more forests than the whole state of NH.
I never used the words tree or trees in this thread until just now. Please just calm down, there is no reason to make stuff up. I haven't looked it up but I'd guess that CA has more trees than NH. NH and ME are the most heavily forested states in the US but that doesn't mean that CA has hardly any trees.


The lies, damned lies and then there are statistics. Your numbers mean nothing, Because by the time the west coast even gets to vote the nomination is already tied up and voters don't even bother to turn out. Put WA, ID, or ND in first place where their votes make or break a candidate and the numbers are going to be a whole lot different.
I agree that there are many reasons Ron Paul did poorly in CA. Perhaps the late contest was 1 of the reasons. As for another state being the 1st primary state, I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon because the penalties for holding a early primary were just increased.

As for WA, ID and ND, I'm not even sure if they hold primaries so I'm not sure why you mentioned them. Maybe WA is going to have a primary in 2016, is that what you mean? I'm trying to help you flush out your argument but you haven't given me a lot to work with.