Obama to nominate slavery advocate Hagel as def sec-Rand MUST filibuster

[cindy25]

http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24280/

[itshappening]

Rand is unlikely to filibuster. He feels a president should be able to make his appointments. Besides, Hagel has been in the senate so will most likely be confirmed unanimously by his former colleagues making any filibuster futile.

[cindy25]

Rand is unlikely to filibuster. He feels a president should be able to make his appointments. Besides, Hagel has been in the senate so will most likely be confirmed unanimously by his former colleagues making any filibuster futile.

a filibuster might be futile, but John Tower (R-TX) was kept out of the Reagan cabinet
Hagel does not understand the constitution, and it might be Obama's plan to appoint Hagel with the intention of calling for a draft. Wilson and FDR both enacted a draft in their second term. it has always been part of the progressive socialist agenda.
voting for Hagel wins nothing; attempting a filibuster, however futile, would separate Rand from Rubio. Rand needs to think 2016.

[klamath]

Hagel isn't the worst. He did stand up and criticize the Iraq war when Bush was in power. He also is not a chickenhawk.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Hagel isn't the worst. He did stand up and criticize the Iraq war when Bush was in power. He also is not a chickenhawk.

His argument in favor of the draft trumps that criticism.

[cindy25]

Hagel isn't the worst. He did stand up and criticize the Iraq war when Bush was in power. He also is not a chickenhawk.

Hagel is more dangerous because he is considered to be competent and independent. when Rangel proposes a draft he is dismissed as a clown, but Hagel has bi-partisan stature. I can see a scenerio where Hagel uses the defense cuts as an excuse for "National Service", perhaps tied to the now federally exclusive student loans

[klamath]

His argument in favor of the draft trumps that criticism.The draft might be the quickest way to end the wars especially if deferments are nearly impossible for the sons and daugthers of the rich and famous.

[dannno]

Plus what kind of name is that, Hagel? Sounds like a Nazi.

[Brett85]

I agree with many of Hagel's foreign policy views, but disagree with him on the draft and his support for eliminating America's nuclear arsenal. Overall, I'm not sure whether I would vote to confirm him or not.

[oyarde]

National Service tied to student loans , lol .

[anaconda]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?398455-CFR-Job-Placement-Service-Chuck-Hagel-For-Secretary-Of-Defense

[sailingaway]

The draft might be the quickest way to end the wars especially if deferments are nearly impossible for the sons and daugthers of the rich and famous.

If they are tied to student loans the rich would essentially be exempt, wouldn't they?

[NIU Students for Liberty]

The draft might be the quickest way to end the wars especially if deferments are nearly impossible for the sons and daugthers of the rich and famous.

Aww gee, both the rich and poor can be forced to serve the state and fight in wars they don't agree with :rolleyes:

[cbrons]

http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24280/

Look another person who views people as the property of the state.

[klamath]

Aww gee, both the rich and poor can be forced to serve the state and fight in wars they don't agree with :rolleyes: Judging by your name I don't think you were around during the draft protests and and anti war protests of vietnam era. It contributed to the end of the war and the draft was repealed shortly after. Could be the quiskest way to destroy Obama with the Youth as well

[anaconda]

Plus Hagel is a Republican. Don't you kind of get the feeling that "the administration" doesn't have any real say in this matter? Kind of creepy. Globalist puppet masters at work.

[anaconda]

Plus what kind of name is that, Hagel? Sounds like a Nazi.

Sort of like "Homeland Security." I have wondered who came up with that name and why.

[oyarde]

How about" Affordable Care Act".....

[thoughtomator]

I don't support a draft, but it is a more honest way to go than we have.

This time around, the first drafted should be the daughters of feminists.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Judging by your name I don't think you were around during the draft protests and and anti war protests of vietnam era. It contributed to the end of the war and the draft was repealed shortly after. Could be the quiskest way to destroy Obama with the Youth as well

I'm well aware of the protests that took place during Vietnam. However those protests had been going on for 8 years before the draft was ended in 1973. In that time span 50,000 + American soldiers were killed. Do you really want to bring that back just to make a statement?

I get where you're going with this (bringing back an anti-war sentiment because the youth would be directly affected by war rather than just seeing it on the news) but forcing people to inevitably march to their deaths is not the answer. If you want this to stop, education must continue.

[supermario21]

Hagel is also not a fan of Israel...he's a mixed bag, the really good/really bad type.

[anaconda]

Hagel is also not a fan of Israel...he's a mixed bag, the really good/really bad type.

CFR, Bilderberg, Deutsche Bank Advisory Board, Pfizer Advisory Board, etc. It doesn't get much worse than this..

http://www.nndb.com/people/249/000032153/

[cindy25]

Judging by your name I don't think you were around during the draft protests and and anti war protests of vietnam era. It contributed to the end of the war and the draft was repealed shortly after. Could be the quiskest way to destroy Obama with the Youth as well

Nixon ended the draft in 1973 to stop or diminish war protests, it worked, and the war continued until Watergate.

[Odin]

Aww gee, both the rich and poor can be forced to serve the state and fight in wars they don't agree with :rolleyes:

I think the point is that a draft sort of universally applied could quickly change people's minds about how willing they are to support wars abroad, when it is their own sons and daughters who have to go fight. It is a good point imo.

Its more about changing people's minds about a certain issue than advocating it as a policy. The poster said "it might not be the worst thing to have a draft," not "I support a draft."

[RonPaulMall]

Do you guys expect Obama to nominate Lew Rockwell? I mean, Obama is a pro-war, pro-Patriot Act, pro-Unilateral Assassination President. Hagel is probably the best we could possibly hope for. He's bad on almost all the issues, but at least he seems to have a spine and has shown a willingness to piss off the neocons on at least a couple of occasions. Better him than that nit wit lackey Obama was planning on nominating who would have just done whatever the neocons told her to do. And certainly better than Hillary, who is essentially a Grand Wizard of the Neocon Ruling Cabal.

[VoluntaryAmerican]

I already promised myself if the draft is brought back I'd sit my ass in jail.

[mtr1979]

Say what you like about Chuck Hagel good or bad, but this man has guts. I'm proud to call him a fellow Nebraskan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIoa7WU2Dfc

[cindy25]

Do you guys expect Obama to nominate Lew Rockwell? I mean, Obama is a pro-war, pro-Patriot Act, pro-Unilateral Assassination President. Hagel is probably the best we could possibly hope for. He's bad on almost all the issues, but at least he seems to have a spine and has shown a willingness to piss off the neocons on at least a couple of occasions. Better him than that nit wit lackey Obama was planning on nominating who would have just done whatever the neocons told her to do. And certainly better than Hillary, who is essentially a Grand Wizard of the Neocon Ruling Cabal.

this is exactly why Hagel is the worst possible choice. Hagel has credibility among Republicans. when (not if) Hagel proposes a draft (national service or whatever they will call it) it will be far harder for Republicans to criticize it, and many are probably hoping for it.
one easy way to save money would be to abolish Carter's draft registration. Rand should introduce legislation to that effect (as Ron did every two years) and then ask Hagel's opinion. I would bet Hagel would want it extended to both sexes (double the waste of time/money)
a lackey would be better, a clown (Rangel) would be better, and Hillary would be far better (at least people can openly hate her)
Obama is picking the one openly pro-draft Republican, and I find that very strange

[anaconda]

Say what you like about Chuck Hagel good or bad, but this man has guts. I'm proud to call him a fellow Nebraskan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIoa7WU2Dfc

Sounds like his speech was just a mouthpiece for the Trilateral Commission (and differing with the neocons). This sounds like something Zbigniew Brzezinski would say.

[anaconda]

HAGEL = CFR + BILDERBERG + DEUTSCHE BANK

[Qdog]

I don't support a draft, but it is a more honest way to go than we have.

This time around, the first drafted should be the daughters of feminists.

Im fine with the way we have it. Our soldiers are mercenaries. I don't feel bad for them because they sign up for that shit. I had a friend who acted crazy just so he could get the hell out. A draft is a very, very bad thing... but yes it will wake a lot of the sheep up.

[cindy25]

Im fine with the way we have it. Our soldiers are mercenaries. I don't feel bad for them because they sign up for that shit. I had a friend who acted crazy just so he could get the hell out. A draft is a very, very bad thing... but yes it will wake a lot of the sheep up.

many of the sheep would support a draft, esp if it had a non-military option. and so would many churches, charities, libraries, nursing homes-all of whom would eagerly welcome the slave labor. I can just hear them say "Israel has a draft, and it does their young people good" or some other excuse.

[XTreat]

The draft might be the quickest way to end the wars especially if deferments are nearly impossible for the sons and daugthers of the rich and famous.


Drafts don't work like that. CEO's kids don't fight wars unless they want to.

[anaconda]

HAGEL = CFR + BILDERBERG + DEUTSCHE BANK

[Galileo Galilei]

http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24280/

Hagel is one of the few people in power on the good side of the line. He is a lot better than Gates or Rumsfeld.

[cindy25]

Hagel is one of the few people in power on the good side of the line. He is a lot better than Gates or Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld, as a congressman ,was one of the founders of the all volunteer army
Rumsfeld,as Jerry Ford's defsec, ended draft registration (something Reagan late promised and then reneged )

Rummy is far better than Hagel.

[anaconda]

HAGEL = CFR + BILDERBERG + DEUTSCHE BANK

[Galileo Galilei]

Rumsfeld, as a congressman ,was one of the founders of the all volunteer army
Rumsfeld,as Jerry Ford's defsec, ended draft registration (something Reagan late promised and then reneged )

Rummy is far better than Hagel.

Rumsfeld masterminded the 9/11 attacks and invasion of Iraq. Hagel voted against the invasion of Iraq.

[itshappening]

I think Hagel voted for the iraq war and later changed his mind. Like Walter Jones.

[cindy25]

I think Hagel voted for the iraq war and later changed his mind. Like Walter Jones.

Walter Jones never advocated a draft
Hagel has never to my knowledge apologized for or repudiated his pro-draft position.

[dillo]

You cant really say hes for the draft, he just thinks that maybe if people worried about their kids dying they might be hesitant to support every war. I have to look more into this but he is one of the few senators to speak out against aipac and not vote for the stupid "we support israel" treaties every 3 seconds. I think you are overblowing the draft thing

[devil21]

A big event, false flag or not, would be needed to get any popular support behind a draft. Just appointing a draft advocate like Hagel isn't going to make a draft even remotely acceptable to the American people right now. They can still ram it through I guess. Wasn't 10% inflation the norm after the draft era of Vietnam? Ron Paul talking a lot about the guns and butter of the 70s.

[Giuliani was there on 911]

I don't think Hagel is that bad. The Israeli lobby isn't too fond of him. And I believe instituting a draft would help reduce our involvement in unnecessary wars

[robert68]

The chance of the draft coming back is very slim, far less than the possibility of him being an influence for interventionist restraint, given many of the stances he took as Senator in his last term.

[cindy25]

I don't think Hagel is that bad. The Israeli lobby isn't too fond of him. And I believe instituting a draft would help reduce our involvement in unnecessary wars

a draft is both unconstitutional and immoral. and a draft would increase involvement in wars (Wilson, FDR, Hitler, LBJ, and Israel all used a draft for control, and to promote war)
conscripts are cheap cannon fodder.

[robert68]

Rumsfeld, as a congressman ,was one of the founders of the all volunteer army
Rumsfeld,as Jerry Ford's defsec, ended draft registration (something Reagan late promised and then reneged )

Rummy is far better than Hagel.

I’m opposed to a draft, but the “all volunteer army” is far from pure. It has always required loads of highly effective tax payer financed US empire and military lauding propaganda to sell it, in every available form of media.