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Lucille
12-13-2012, 03:41 PM
I'm not sure if it was a joke or not on his part, but it's true. I believe Obama takes great pleasure in all the killing, and I don't think he loses one wink of sleep over it. He is a mass murderer and sociopath.

Grover Norquist: GOP Will Keep Obama On 'Short Leash,' Leave Him To 'Blow Up Small Countries'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/13/grover-norquist-obama_n_2293896.html


Grover Norquist expressed confidence on Thursday that Republican adherents to his rigid anti-tax hike platform would emerge victorious in upcoming budgetary scraps, joking that it would leave a bitter President Barack Obama to engage in a campaign of indiscriminately bombing "small countries" for his personal entertainment.

Speaking on C-SPAN's "Washington Journal," Norquist argued that congressional Republicans had a number of weapons ready to wield against Obama and Democrats in order to ensure that there would be no spending increases or tax hikes.

“Obama will be on a very short leash, fiscally speaking, over the next four years,” Norquist said. “He's not going to have any fun at all; he may just have to go blow up small countries he can’t pronounce because it won't be any fun to be here, because he won't be able to spend the kind of cash he was hoping to.”

More at the link

juleswin
12-13-2012, 05:06 PM
What a sick sick man and to hell with his stupid pledge. How many years has it been now? the Federal reserve keeps printing money, the federal govt keeps borrowing and the country sinks deeper and deeper in debt. But don't worry folk, your taxes will never increase as long as he and his boys have anything to say about it.

This reminds me of the sick drone joke Obama told at the Hollywood correspondent dinner.

nano1895
12-13-2012, 06:07 PM
What a sick sick man and to hell with his stupid pledge. How many years has it been now? the Federal reserve keeps printing money, the federal govt keeps borrowing and the country sinks deeper and deeper in debt. But don't worry folk, your taxes will never increase as long as he and his boys have anything to say about it.

This reminds me of the sick drone joke Obama told at the Hollywood correspondent dinner.

?... our debt problem doesn't come from a lack of higher taxes.

juleswin
12-13-2012, 06:32 PM
?... our debt problem doesn't come from a lack of higher taxes.

And you will be correct but since the debt is the main problem facing this country, I am a little concerned over his obsession with taxes only especially since tax increase will wake more people up into looking at govt spending. Its like watching a man whose house is on fire and for some reason he puts all his effort into saving the fish tank. I am here screaming "what about the house?" but he continues to obsess over the damn fish tank. I just don't get it.

Pain can be a force for good when it makes you to alter your bad behaviour. I have a sick feeling Norquist's goal is to sedate the people so they never feel that pain, so the govt can continue to do damage to this country's balance sheet.

oyarde
12-13-2012, 08:46 PM
I am not paying anymore taxes ,what they get from me that is higher , I will get back from them somewhere else , and I like my fish .

thoughtomator
12-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Norquist's anti-tax crusade is not a problem. It's probably served to prevent the problem from getting worse than it is. The problem is that the spenders in DC know only the restraints imposed on them by force.

nano1895
12-13-2012, 09:24 PM
And you will be correct but since the debt is the main problem facing this country, I am a little concerned over his obsession with taxes only especially since tax increase will wake more people up into looking at govt spending. Its like watching a man whose house is on fire and for some reason he puts all his effort into saving the fish tank. I am here screaming "what about the house?" but he continues to obsess over the damn fish tank. I just don't get it.

Pain can be a force for good when it makes you to alter your bad behaviour. I have a sick feeling Norquist's goal is to sedate the people so they never feel that pain, so the govt can continue to do damage to this country's balance sheet.

I see your point on that. A much better pledge would be a "no [automatic] increase in spending pledge."

Keith and stuff
12-13-2012, 09:37 PM
What a sick sick man and to hell with his stupid pledge.

Obama is the 1 with a personal murder list. BTW, it isn't his pledge. It is the Ameircans for Tax Reform pledge, which is modeled off the New Hampshire Pledge.

cbrons
12-13-2012, 09:39 PM
I see your point on that. A much better pledge would be a "no [automatic] increase in spending pledge."

How else would the Republicons rake the loot into the coffers of their cronies if there was a pledge against auto spending increases? My blood BOILS when I see these scum in the Republican party. They are WORTHLESS HACKS almost every last one of them.

juleswin
12-13-2012, 10:06 PM
Obama is the 1 with a personal murder list. BTW, it isn't his pledge. It is the Americans for Tax Reform pledge, which is modeled off the New Hampshire Pledge.

Yea, but he is the one that drafted the pledge and polices the pledgers, I think its fair to say that he has the authority to modify it and actually strengthen it. Personally I think its missing the real teeth and that is the no spending increase without revenue to pay for it part. Everybody likes receiving goodies from the govt, so there is a high chance they they wouldn't complain just as long as you are taking the money for the new spending from their children's pocket and not theirs.

This is why I hate this pledge, it distorts the whole "tax increase -> outraged citizens -> voted out politicians -> spending cuts" system.

rpfocus
12-13-2012, 10:15 PM
What a sick sick man and to hell with his stupid pledge. How many years has it been now? the Federal reserve keeps printing money, the federal govt keeps borrowing and the country sinks deeper and deeper in debt. But don't worry folk, your taxes will never increase as long as he and his boys have anything to say about it.

This reminds me of the sick drone joke Obama told at the Hollywood correspondent dinner.

Agreed. Norquist and his ilk are the true scumbags pulling the strings of the puppets in the Republican party.

Agorism
12-13-2012, 10:28 PM
Agreed. Norquist and his ilk are the true scumbags pulling the strings of the puppets in the Republican party.

WTF are you talking about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOHLGzzNqA&feature=youtu.be

Agorism
12-13-2012, 10:29 PM
I'm so sick of posters attacking Norquist.

juleswin
12-13-2012, 10:34 PM
WTF are you talking about.



Someone should remind Grover that we haven't ended the federal reserve yet and they are still buying loads and loads of US treasury bonds aka tax increase for the masses.

AuH20
12-13-2012, 10:36 PM
Norquist isn't the problem. It's the politicians. He doesn't endorse spending nor borrowing in anyway.

Agorism
12-13-2012, 11:03 PM
I agree. Norquist is very good at what he does.

georgiaboy
12-13-2012, 11:28 PM
I caught the replay of his segment on Washington Journal. He was great, and the callers were mostly very supportive of his efforts.

I put him squarely on our side.

Cowlesy
12-14-2012, 12:16 AM
I caught the replay of his segment on Washington Journal. He was great, and the callers were mostly very supportive of his efforts.

I put him squarely on our side.

Yes. I mean he and his wife were invited to Ron's summer going away dinner, and asked to stand and give a toast (which was a touching and amazing one!).

Grover is a friend of Ron, and hates taxes. A+++ from me.

jkob
12-14-2012, 12:46 AM
don't understand why people are hating on Grover

ProvincialPeasant
12-14-2012, 12:57 AM
Norquist has done more for liberty than anyone on this board. All the criticisms here, he has answered. His response: make your own anti-spending pledge and he will back it. Put up or shut up, but I suspect most of you will do neither.

QuickZ06
12-14-2012, 01:18 AM
Is what he said not true though, that is the sick part to me that our government has actually have done that sort of stuff already. And yet the comments on that article leave me little hope for the future.

cbrons
12-14-2012, 01:55 AM
Is what he said not true though, that is the sick part to me that our government has actually have done that sort of stuff already. And yet the comments on that article leave me little hope for the future.

Commenters on news articles of the leftist variety usually are LCD

NOVALibertarian
12-14-2012, 09:15 AM
Lawrence O' Donnell talked about this last night, as I caught it downstairs while my mom was listening to it. He basically turned the discussion into a joke Norquest said: "Bi-partisanship is like date rape." and he ripped into him for that. I noticed though how he probably has no problems with Obama making jokes about the predator drones that actually kill innocent people.

whippoorwill
12-14-2012, 09:30 AM
And you will be correct but since the debt is the main problem facing this country, I am a little concerned over his obsession with taxes only especially since tax increase will wake more people up into looking at govt spending. Its like watching a man whose house is on fire and for some reason he puts all his effort into saving the fish tank. I am here screaming "what about the house?" but he continues to obsess over the damn fish tank. I just don't get it.

Pain can be a force for good when it makes you to alter your bad behaviour. I have a sick feeling Norquist's goal is to sedate the people so they never feel that pain, so the govt can continue to do damage to this country's balance sheet.

Psst! You can walk away from the debt. Anything that allows you to keep more of your own money is good stuff, don't waste it. Btw, RP said in his last run we could renig on the debt that the FED holds. I think that's something to put more thought into..

BAllen
12-14-2012, 09:33 AM
And you will be correct but since the debt is the main problem facing this country, I am a little concerned over his obsession with taxes only especially since tax increase will wake more people up into looking at govt spending. Its like watching a man whose house is on fire and for some reason he puts all his effort into saving the fish tank. I am here screaming "what about the house?" but he continues to obsess over the damn fish tank. I just don't get it.

Pain can be a force for good when it makes you to alter your bad behaviour. I have a sick feeling Norquist's goal is to sedate the people so they never feel that pain, so the govt can continue to do damage to this country's balance sheet.

A 'worse is better' scenario? I got news for you, skippy. It doesn't work. We would simply lose ALL our rights, and NEVER have a chance to turn it around. He's doing the right thing. No tax increase will keep them from spending more. They'll have to make do with what they've got.

Matt Collins
12-14-2012, 02:25 PM
Jules, you seem to have some sort of vendetta or animosity towards Grover in many of your postings. Why is that? :confused:

BAllen
12-14-2012, 11:12 PM
Psst! You can walk away from the debt. Anything that allows you to keep more of your own money is good stuff, don't waste it. Btw, RP said in his last run we could renig on the debt that the FED holds. I think that's something to put more thought into..

I've been saying that. Fuck the fed banskters and fuck china! Just cross out the debt in the ledger and put a big, fat 0 in its place!

BAllen
12-14-2012, 11:13 PM
Norquist has done more for liberty than anyone on this board. All the criticisms here, he has answered. His response: make your own anti-spending pledge and he will back it. Put up or shut up, but I suspect most of you will do neither.

Of course not. It's easier just to say it won't make any difference, so they don't even have to try.

HOLLYWOOD
12-14-2012, 11:28 PM
It's a zinger on Obama and some sarcasm on the continuance of bombing and killing around the world.

There's the sneaky warmongering Fascist republicans like; Boehner, Cantor, Ros-Lethetin, McKeon, etc... and then there are the true conservatives.

I like that Norquist is bringing sunshine to subjects to the capital hill cesspool

Keith and stuff
12-14-2012, 11:33 PM
No tax increase will keep them from spending more. They'll have to make do with what they've got.

Not really. Meldrim Thomson, the same person credited with coming up with the tax pledge that Americans for Tax Reform slightly modified and still uses to this day, also is credited with the slogan, "low taxes are the result of low spending."

However, while Thomson was correct on a city or state level, since the US dollar is the reserve currency of the world, all logic is thrown out the window for it's policies.

juleswin
12-15-2012, 01:53 AM
Psst! You can walk away from the debt. Anything that allows you to keep more of your own money is good stuff, don't waste it. Btw, RP said in his last run we could renig on the debt that the FED holds. I think that's something to put more thought into..

But how about the invisible tax called inflation? why is it ok for that to be raised and not income tax? is it because we cannot stop spending? The poor suffer the most from inflation, they have most of their assets in cash or don't have anything at all and when inflation hits nothing gets appreciated. But for the rich, the property owners, stock owners, people like Warren Buffett, they see their wealth(usually not in cash) appreciate with inflation.

The system we have now screws the poor and republicans and people like Grover doesn't give a shit. My deal is this, if you going to call for low taxes, better couple it with a low spending pledge. Anything else is you just making the situation worse

juleswin
12-15-2012, 02:00 AM
Jules, you seem to have some sort of vendetta or animosity towards Grover in many of your postings. Why is that? :confused:

Because I hate the idea of tell the American people that they can spend money without having to pay it back. Its not ok to say that you will sit idly by while our govt spends other peoples money in our name and then just walk away from the debt when it gets too high.

This pledge gives most of us a false sense that we are achieving something by not raising tax when we are not. Most Americans will be with us right now if govt actually had to directly take from our pay checks even more money every-time they wanted to increase spending and Grover and his pledge is depriving us of those supporters.

And the story of why I hate the man.

juleswin
12-15-2012, 02:04 AM
A 'worse is better' scenario? I got news for you, skippy. It doesn't work. We would simply lose ALL our rights, and NEVER have a chance to turn it around. He's doing the right thing. No tax increase will keep them from spending more. They'll have to make do with what they've got.

And the inflation tax? doesn't it bother you? Also the interest on the debt keeps rising which means that they will devote more and more of our taxes into servicing the debt. All because we cant stop spending.

Spending is the main problem and not taxes and yet he focuses all his energy on taxes. That my friend makes no sense

Bastiat's The Law
12-15-2012, 02:30 AM
Norquist isn't the problem. It's the politicians. He doesn't endorse spending nor borrowing in anyway.
Norquist is one of the good guys. Do we have Daily Paul Pravda members infiltrating us with their socialism?

Bastiat's The Law
12-15-2012, 02:34 AM
I caught the replay of his segment on Washington Journal. He was great, and the callers were mostly very supportive of his efforts.

I put him squarely on our side.
He's more on our side than you would think. I heard him on Bill Maher denounce warfare abroad and say he was essentially a libertarian at heart.

HOLLYWOOD
12-15-2012, 10:43 AM
I don't know why Grover Norquist hasn't used this ammo in the public media: http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/mts1112.txt and http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/mts1112.pdf

The clowns on Capital Hill don't need a budget to spend more... analyzing FY 2012's first 2 months of spending and debt to this year's FY2013 spending and debt, the US government expenditures, this has transpired:

First 2 months FY2012

Revenue/Receipts: $315.474 Billion
Expenditures/Outlays: $551.243 Billion
Deficit: $235.768 Billion

First 2 months FY2013

Revenue/Receipts: $ 346.045 Billion
Expenditures/Outlays: $638.152 Billion
Deficit: $292.107 Billion


The US government spent $87 Billion MORE than they did last year in the first 60 days of the budget year. That after taking in $30.6 Billion MORE in revenue/receipts than FY2012

Norquist is correct, it's not the revenue, it's the spending increases never stop.

mz10
12-15-2012, 11:14 AM
What's all this talk about pledges?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5uvUmNIb6Nks4Yoh8Dg668AfTwu-4Opq5sOrPA0dJ4EFbS_34Wg

BAllen
12-15-2012, 11:38 AM
And the inflation tax? doesn't it bother you? Also the interest on the debt keeps rising which means that they will devote more and more of our taxes into servicing the debt. All because we cant stop spending.

Spending is the main problem and not taxes and yet he focuses all his energy on taxes. That my friend makes no sense

They are not going to cut spending. Can't you see that by now? They will spend as much as they are allowed to.
Why don't you call your reps and encourage them to put forth Ron Paul's budget plan? His would cut 1 trillion without cutting s.s. or medicaid. What it does do is eliminate redundant depts. like Education and Energy, which are already covered at the state level.
By the standards of the Romney haters, I guess that makes Ron Paul a socialist, since it doesn't cut ss or medicare.