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sailingaway
12-12-2012, 03:38 PM
NYU student Josh Begley is tweeting every reported U.S. drone strike since 2002, and the feed highlights a disturbing tactic employed by the U.S. that is widely considered a war crime.

Known as the "double tap," the tactic involves bombing a target multiple times relatively quick succession, meaning that the second strike often strikes first responders.

A 2007 report by the Homeland Security Institute called double taps a "favorite tactic of Hamas" and the FBI considers it a tactic employed by terrorists.
UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Christof Heyns said that if there are "secondary drone strikes on rescuers who are helping (the injured) after an initial drone attack, those further attacks are a war crime."


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-drone-tweets-reveal-double-tap-plan-2012-12#ixzz2ErtsoUBO

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paulbot24
12-12-2012, 03:46 PM
"The NYU and Stanford law schools released a report detailing how double taps by U.S. drones (http://www.businessinsider.com/drone-double-tap-first-responders-2012-9#ixzz27aTb7s6A) affect the Pakistani population, and the study noted that there have been 49 civilian deaths for every one known terrorist killed by U.S. drones."

This could be a useful statistic to memorize when discussing drone warfare. Forty-nine to one is not "typical" collateral damage, it is evidence of a vicious pattern of recklessness and fundamental lack of respect for human life.

VoluntaryAmerican
12-12-2012, 03:58 PM
When did we declare war with Pakistan?

Oh yeah, we never did.

libertygrl
12-12-2012, 05:17 PM
"The NYU and Stanford law schools released a report detailing how double taps by U.S. drones (http://www.businessinsider.com/drone-double-tap-first-responders-2012-9#ixzz27aTb7s6A) affect the Pakistani population, and the study noted that there have been 49 civilian deaths for every one known terrorist killed by U.S. drones."

This could be a useful statistic to memorize when discussing drone warfare. Forty-nine to one is not "typical" collateral damage, it is evidence of a vicious pattern of recklessness and fundamental lack of respect for human life.

"Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other." - George W. Bush, September 20, 2001

h ttp://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Why_do_they_hate_us%3F

kcchiefs6465
12-12-2012, 05:55 PM
Any male above 17 is considered an enemy combatant as well. Some truly sick shit- dropping bombs on first responders then going home to sleep at night. I wish we could find out some of the pilots and bombard them with pictures of severed limbs and vaporized children. We need a campaign to make sure the pilots see the destruction these missiles cause.. at least then their sleep might be troubled. Billboard to raise awareness? Put a blown up child on a billboard and national press is sure to follow. Putting these bodies on the minds of Americans is the only way enough pressure will be put on our leaders and this shit will stop. I seriously like my billboard idea. I wish I had the money :(

Brian4Liberty
12-12-2012, 06:15 PM
Wasn't there a story the other day about a small girl and her grandmother being double-tapped by a drone? The first strike made them run, and the second strike killed the grandmother.

Brian4Liberty
12-12-2012, 06:18 PM
Found the story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20660443


The left's twisted morality pose on this topic too often comes in fits and starts, with the most righteous of the lot declaring Bush a war criminal for his interrogation techniques while granting absolution to the man who champions a far more brutish approach. One wonders where these secular televangelists have gone in a week when BBC reporters tell of an 8-year-old girl having her young skin pierced by a drone bomb’s shrapnel while watching her grandmother being blown to a thousand pieces in front of her young eyes.

Where have all the human rights heroes gone?

Where are the ladies of Code Pink?

Where are those protesters driven to rage over the waterboarding of 3 terrorists who are now so ambivalent about random killings?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/countdown-to-zero-dark-thirty-84904.html

Dark_Horse_Rider
12-13-2012, 12:31 AM
^^ this times 10,000

thoughtomator
12-13-2012, 01:02 AM
That "double tap" M.O. is what they did on 9/11 too.

I predicted it in 1993.

amy31416
12-13-2012, 04:12 AM
And we seem to be the only ones who care.

ClydeCoulter
12-13-2012, 06:25 AM
And we seem to be the only ones who care.

Except those that can use it as a political advantage, like the article at Politico that Brian posted above. And, Obama didn't start the drone wars, he just continues them.

But yea, that really care.

kcchiefs6465
12-13-2012, 10:11 AM
Except those that can use it as a political advantage, like the article at Politico that Brian posted above. And, Obama didn't start the drone wars, he just continues them.

But yea, that really care.
Obama continues them alright.. on a scale never before seen in the history of warfare. Dubya might have started it but Obama took it to another level. Hell in two months we have more drone strikes than the enitre Bush presidency. For anyone curious about how many drone stirkes we have done I'll tally them up.. 25 under dubya. 241 under Obama :eek: (Up until 12/2012) Holy shit, that is a lot of drone strikes. The Human Rights Commision of Pakistan has claimed over 900 people were killed in 2010 alone.

Brian4Liberty
12-13-2012, 11:21 AM
Except those that can use it as a political advantage, like the article at Politico that Brian posted above. And, Obama didn't start the drone wars, he just continues them.


The role of the media can't be underestimated. Code Pink is still somewhat active, but the media doesn't report on it.

Of course Code Pink and friends don't seem to be protesting in the streets anymore. They are probably just fund raising these days, waiting for the day when the GOP takes it's turn in the hot-seat.

Here's a story from some Marxist website. You know a lot of people in the US media read it, but they don't report on it. ;)


A standing-room-only crowd came out to the Berkeley Fellowship Hall on Dec. 2 to hear eyewitness reports of a visit to Pakistan in October by a delegation of 34 U.S. anti-war activists. They had met with anti-drone activists and relatives of the 760 civilians murdered by U.S. drones.

Speaking at today’s meeting were Joe Lombardo, national co-coordinator of the United National Antiwar Coalition; Leah Bolger, national president of Veterans for Peace; and Toby Blome and Dianne Budd of CodePink, the group that initiated the Pakistan visit.

http://www.workers.org/2012/12/05/anti-war-activists-report-on-pakistan-trip-attack-drones/

heavenlyboy34
12-13-2012, 11:36 AM
When did we declare war with Pakistan?

Oh yeah, we never did.
Declarations of war went out of style in the mid-20th century. Since then, they've been committing mass murder and destruction for fun and profit. :( :'( I too like the billboard idea, btw.

Nirvikalpa
12-13-2012, 12:01 PM
This is just all so terrible. I follow a big EMS news site so they have a couple of reports on the first responders overseas, and some happen to be about the Middle East and such... a little off topic, but one video I saw was of a Gaza EMT responding to a bomb strike, and it nearly brought me to tears.

49 civilian death for every one "terrorist" killed. What a country this could be if even half the population was moved by that fact.

Odin
12-13-2012, 12:54 PM
The leftist 'humanitarians' are full of shit. They only cared when it was Bush who was doing it because they are political hacks.

It's funny how everyone seems so cautious about putting the military option 'on the table' when it comes to Iran - ie bombing their nuclear facilities, when the sanctions are doing far more damage than any military strike possibly could. Instead of just destroying their nuclear sites we are making innocent people suffer.

TonySutton
12-13-2012, 01:20 PM
that is basically what they did with the apache attack. they attacked a group of people with guns who were escorting reporters and then attacked the people who showed up to take the wounded to the hospital which included shooting up a minivan with children in it.