View Full Version : Great Job today, but gloating is not cool
Great Job everyone today!
It was an excellent fund raising day, after things had been a bit dry lately.
There was some controversy about holding back donations VS giving now, I for one feel we should NEVER discourage people from donating. I think the campaign has a right to send out emails asking for donations NOW, that's the job of the fund raising manager right? It pushes us to donate now and not sit on our wallets, especially when many of us will donate for the big money bombs ANYWAY. Yes it's painful to give again just a few weeks from now, but that's what we do, we give until it hurts, and then we give some more, and then again. The campaign knows it, and it's a great job for them to keep pushing us.
The huckabee money bomb timing was just right! Little did we know about it, but once it was discovered it was great to see the passion and competitive spirit to outdue their efforts. I for one was part of that, and was happy to see so many supporters rally, catch up, and surpass their fund raising drive.
That's fun and great competition. But let's not overstep our bounds. No one can force you or make you act a certain way, but there is such a thing as etiquette.
I would hope most RP supporters wouldn't resort to trolling or mocking other forums. It doesn't reflect well on us or the good Dr. And even on our own forums, these aren't our own private areas anymore.
Ever since november 5th and the USA today ad story and other media stories, this forums address has been printed in many online and paper articles. We have all sorts of visitors: curious people, undecided voters, visitors from other GOP camps some nice and some not so nice. With that being said, I would hope we'd represent RP in a nice way. I'm glad we don't have moderator nazi's over here, it's great to be able to express your ideas, but with that freedom comes the hope that we also use good judgment.
Remember, there are tons of undecided voters out there and plenty of them are lurking and never posting. They may go from forum to forum to check out more information. I'd hope when we post we still come across in a positive light as to not dissuade people from joining the RP camp.
And while it was great fun adding some juice into the fund drive and competing with the Huckabee camp, it's not so cool to piss in their cereal. Some of them could very well lean towards Ron Paul. I know someone who's converted several Huckabee supporters into RP supporters. I'd prefer if we enjoyed our fund raiser, but not go over to their forum and troll about, not cool.
Remember, they get a ton more of free press because they are an approved mainstream top tier/dark horse/whatever. We actually need way more money, because our top tier status was forced onto the media with mind boggling fund raisers. We don't get the ton of free press, although we are getting more.
For the record, I thought the Chuck Norris ad was hilarious. It wouldn't make me vote for him, but I thought it was great.
You might say some of the Huckabee supporters will never follow RP so what's the harm? Well, an undecided could be lurking and if they see trolling and bashing from our end, that could be what turns them off.
Don't forget to pat yourself on the back for a job well done. Great effort today! We need to have a few more of these kinds of days and get to $10-$12Million BEFORE Dec 16th!! That way Dec 16th we can blow away ALL previous fund raisers.
Ron LOL
11-21-2007, 12:34 AM
I'd actually kind of like to send some kind of gift basket to the main admin (at least, I think he's the main admin) over at the hucksarmy forums. He seems like a really classy guy, and watching the competition (I missed a bit, but I watched most of it) was really, really fun -- even if it wasn't supposed to be a competition.
I agree on gloating. It's not attractive.
It was, however, absolutely inspiring to see our plot take the heck off starting around 2:00pm.
Paul4Prez
11-21-2007, 12:38 AM
Is this gloating?
http://paul4prez.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-paul-supporters-out-blast-huckabee.html
Rusty John
11-21-2007, 12:40 AM
Another way to grab attention without spending money is the National Canvassing Weekend idea- having as many Paul supporters canvass their neighborhoods on the weekend of December1st and 2nd- each Paul supporter hits 200 houses in their neighborhood. This is the anniversary of Rosa Parks refusing to giveup her seat on the bus and the anniversary of John Brown's hanging...lol. Also the anniversary of Enron declaring bankruptcy. If we can get 40,000 supporters out for a couple ofhours each during the weekend that'd be 8 million households reached and that many more possible contributors for the Tea Party. It doesn't have to be anything fancy- just going door-to-door and handing out Slim Jims.
By the time this is over,Glenn Beck and the NeoCons will have labeled Rosa Parks a terrorist....lol.
paulitics
11-21-2007, 12:42 AM
Most of the Huck guys are alot more down to earth than others. He has some grassroots, real people, which I respect more than political pundit pimping of the other guys.
Ron Paul Fan
11-21-2007, 12:42 AM
To the victor go the spoils my friend! We have defeated Huckabee on his own day and embarassed their small army of supporters. They try to take the moral high ground, yet their support preemptive war. Who are the moral ones here? I went over to their forum today and they accused us of cheating on November 5th and today. They accused us of hacking into their site and crashing their server. We don't owe them anything! We won, they lost! There's nothing wrong with basking in the glory for a day! We deserve it!
Ron LOL
11-21-2007, 12:43 AM
Is this gloating?
http://paul4prez.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-paul-supporters-out-blast-huckabee.html
It's your site, so do what you will, but I think that article is needlessly negative.
qsecofr
11-21-2007, 12:53 AM
I think Hucks Army had a pretty good showing today and the friendly competition is welcomed because frankly we are drawing from different wells.
Now if it were a Rudy grassroots thing (yeah right) things might be different but all in all Huck's supporters are decent enough so I feel inclined to reciprocate.
Besides,.. if they didn't have there money bomb we may not have gotten an extra 250K today. There are advantages to friendly competition like if they come up with something we like we can "borrow" it... don't get me wrong, there are of course times to throw down the gloves but we are still a month away from that :)
ronpaulyourmom
11-21-2007, 12:56 AM
The gloating was stupid in my opinion, this is a battle of favorable opinions, not some little chart. All that was accomplished today was to piss a lot of people off.
literatim
11-21-2007, 01:01 AM
Sorry, but I don't have any respect for people that would vote us into a one world government.
Anti Federalist
11-21-2007, 01:07 AM
Yah, I would agree that gloating is not pleasant or constructive in any way, and yes, it seems that the supporters were not too unpleasant to us.
But, make no mistake, the Huckster is just as dangerous and slick as the Ghoul or even Clinton.
This is still a man who supports the concept of pre-emptive warfare.
This is a man who stood up on stage and told us that we all are united under God, basically bound by honor, to get behind whatever the government does and shut your mouth while you're at it.
I suspect it was more than one or two of his supporters who was booing Ron Paul at the "Values Voters" debate for mentioning that Christ was, after all, The Prince of Peace.
He can wrap his statist, welfare/warfare mentality in all the smarmy layers of "Aw shux, I'm just a country preacher" all he wants, but that still makes him deserving of no more respect than Bush, Cheney or any of the rest.
Tidewise
11-21-2007, 01:11 AM
I don't mind if Huckabee's supporter's get their feelings a little hurt. For perspective, they are supporting a guy who will keep our troops in harms way - our brave soldiers getting maimed and killed so Huckabee can have his honor fighting a war we simply cannot afford and is destroying our economy.
That said, I do think that Huck's campaign has the only other genuine grassroots movement of any substance. Thankfully, Ron Paul's grassroots movement is much, much larger. I can only hope that Huck's supporters will wake up in time.
Paulitician
11-21-2007, 01:11 AM
Meh, there is no point in gloating. In fact, there is no point in really paying attention to Huckabee either. Although, personally it ticks me off when Huckabee gets all these great interviews and coverage, and our guy gets hardly any. Part of it is the own campaign's fault, but most of it is not. Anyway, it's also pretty funny: I went to the Huckabee forum and they were complaining that Huckabee was being ignored on Fox. Yeah right.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1696/tableresultsnov17gt3.jpg
[The numbers have increased since these Q3 stats]
Whatever though. We have so much more important things to do than waste time battling with other forums and grassroot groups. We aren't focusing enough on getting Ron Paul nominated, IMO. We should start doing that.
McLane2007
11-21-2007, 01:26 AM
Another way to grab attention without spending money is the National Canvassing Weekend idea- having as many Paul supporters canvass their neighborhoods on the weekend of December1st and 2nd- each Paul supporter hits 200 houses in their neighborhood. This is the anniversary of Rosa Parks refusing to giveup her seat on the bus and the anniversary of John Brown's hanging...lol. Also the anniversary of Enron declaring bankruptcy. If we can get 40,000 supporters out for a couple ofhours each during the weekend that'd be 8 million households reached and that many more possible contributors for the Tea Party. It doesn't have to be anything fancy- just going door-to-door and handing out Slim Jims.
By the time this is over,Glenn Beck and the NeoCons will have labeled Rosa Parks a terrorist....lol.
Great idea if we increase the base the money will come in more steady for Ron Paul
rrcamp
11-21-2007, 03:57 AM
I'd actually kind of like to send some kind of gift basket to the main admin (at least, I think he's the main admin) over at the hucksarmy forums. He seems like a really classy guy, and watching the competition (I missed a bit, but I watched most of it) was really, really fun -- even if it wasn't supposed to be a competition.
I actually really like this idea. It would cost next to nothing, and it would be extremely valuable to have a good relationship with the admin over there. Remember.. we're going to need these people on our side soon enough.
This guy has already shown he can step up and produce for a grassroots org.. we need more people like that! Maybe a gift basket isn't the best idea, but maybe a statement of support thread we all sign or something... "We may have opposing ideas, but our respect runs deep" type thing
Menthol Patch
11-21-2007, 04:01 AM
To the victor go the spoils my friend! We have defeated Huckabee on his own day and embarassed their small army of supporters. They try to take the moral high ground, yet their support preemptive war. Who are the moral ones here? I went over to their forum today and they accused us of cheating on November 5th and today. They accused us of hacking into their site and crashing their server. We don't owe them anything! We won, they lost! There's nothing wrong with basking in the glory for a day! We deserve it!
I agree with you.
They bash us, attack us, lie about us, and call us terrorists.
We have EVERY right to gloat when we are successful in one of our projects!
microchip
11-21-2007, 04:05 AM
Remember, there are tons of undecided voters out there and plenty of them are lurking and never posting. They may go from forum to forum to check out more information. I'd hope when we post we still come across in a positive light as to not dissuade people from joining the RP camp.
This to me is the important thing to remember. Gloating (or acting foolishly in other ways) doesn't help at all. If the only question was whether or not you'd irritate someone who definitely wasn't going to go with you anyway, it wouldn't be as big a deal (although it would still be useless). But when people behave like fools, and then turn off the undecided folks, that's when it really hurts.
And you'll never know you turned 'em off to Ron Paul, 'cause they just won't come back.
Menthol Patch
11-21-2007, 04:09 AM
This to me is the important thing to remember. Gloating (or acting foolishly in other ways) doesn't help at all. If the only question was whether or not you'd irritate someone who definitely wasn't going to go with you anyway, it wouldn't be as big a deal (although it would still be useless). But when people behave like fools, and then turn off the undecided folks, that's when it really hurts.
And you'll never know you turned 'em off to Ron Paul, 'cause they just won't come back.
They bash us, attack us, lie about us, and call us terrorists.
We have EVERY right to gloat when we are successful in one of our projects!
Ron LOL
11-21-2007, 04:11 AM
They bash us, attack us, lie about us, and call us terrorists.
We have EVERY right to gloat when we are successful in one of our projects!
Repeat after me: blowback.
qsecofr
11-21-2007, 04:12 AM
I agree with you.
They bash us, attack us, lie about us, and call us terrorists.
We have EVERY right to gloat when we are successful in one of our projects!
Sure you can gloat, it's a free country. But hopefully enough of us won't because at this point an olive branch will take us further then an extended middle finger :D
Unless it's Frank... **** you Frank.
microchip
11-21-2007, 04:13 AM
They bash us, attack us, lie about us, and call us terrorists.
We have EVERY right to gloat when we are successful in one of our projects!
Yup, we do ... but that doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do.
Just sayin' that we are ALWAYS trying to get more people to support Ron Paul, whatever we're doing ... notasmuch the folks calling us terrorists, but the people watching from the sidelines who are undecided. If we behave as idiotically as O'Reilly and Beck and whoever else, we don't do ourselves any favors.
:)
- Chip
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