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Lucille
12-06-2012, 01:31 PM
The GOP Is Dying Because The Liberty Movement Is Thriving
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-06/guest-post-gop-dying-because-liberty-movement-thriving


[...] One meme that is being spread widely in the mainstream that I do actually agree with is that the Republican Party is “dying”. Oh yes, this is undoubtedly true. The GOP is on the fast track to the stew pot (or maybe another pot), but what the mainstream fails to mention is that this is something that alternative analysts in the Liberty Movement have been predicting for years, long before the name “Barack Obama” ever haunted the dreams of average Republicans, and this raises an important question; what did the alternative media see that the mainstream media missed?

The primary root of all the dysfunctional observations of the GOP is that most people today have no clue what conservatism is, and therefore, they have no idea how to diagnose problems in the Republican Party (an institution which is supposed to represent conservative values). You don’t send a lawnmower repairman to examine a cancer ridden human being, you send a doctor who knows what a healthy body is supposed to look like. You also don’t send a hardcore liberal or a Neo-Con flunky to comment on the failings of the GOP; you send a true conservative who knows how a healthy conservative organization is supposed to function. And, the only people left in this country who actually understand what conservatism really is are Liberty Movement activists.

Ironically, those of us in the movement who have deeply considered the election aftermath have predominantly concluded that it is WE who have taken the mojo out of the GOP, and frankly, we’re happy to do so…

The GOP is dying because it no longer supports or nurtures the progress of true and traditional conservative values or the people who hold them. The GOP is fading into the bowels of political history because real conservatives are LEAVING it behind, and searching for other more legitimate avenues. These are the cold hard facts which the establishment and those who aid in its dominance have tried to keep out of the mainstream limelight post election. They have concocted a swarm of unsupported and absurd talking points which have been unleashed shotgun-style on the unsuspecting American populace. Their goal? To hide the fact that the Liberty Movement has gained enough momentum to bury the Neo-Con led GOP and even swing state contests at will, simply by not participating in the farce.

During the 2010 mid-term elections, there was a mass resurgence in conservative voting based almost entirely on Tea Party optimism. Some might argue that the Tea Party was a sham, and I would have to agree…to a point. The Tea Party didn’t start out that way (I know because I was involved during its inception). In the beginning it was a legitimate force for reduced government power and spending, and increased protection for civil liberties revolving mainly around the campaign of Ron Paul. That changed, though, when Neo-Con elites began weaseling their way into the club, gushing about how they loved freedom.

What these vermin do not understand, though, is that it takes more than rhetoric to hold onto Liberty Movement voters; you also have to back your words with action, and this is exactly why some career Republicans were shown the door in 2012. Not because the Democrats were a better choice, but because the Republicans had not lived up to the promises they made two years ago. Neo-Con toadies would, of course, sneer at my observations, and tell a completely different story on why they are losers…

Let’s take a look at just a few of the mainstream media and GOP leadership arguments and propaganda initiatives and why they are shameless fabrications meant to hide Liberty Movement influence…

Lie #1: U.S. Demographics Are Changing And The GOP Platform Does Not Appeal To Minorities
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Lie #2: The GOP Does Not Appeal To Young Voters, Who Are Predominantly Liberal (Socialist)
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Lie #3: The GOP Needs To Evolve With Our “Progressive” Times Instead Of Clinging To Traditional Conservative Principles
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Lie #4: The Liberty Movement Had No Influence On The Elections Whatsoever
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Now, my question is; if the Liberty Movement doesn’t matter, then why were GOP cronies so desperate to convince us to vote party line?

Why did they feel the need to regurgitate the “lesser of to evils” argument over and over again? Why did it matter to them if we voted for Romney, or voted third party, or didn’t vote at all? If our influence is so miniscule, then why invite Liberty Movement representatives like Rand Paul or Sherriff Mac to cheerlead for the “guy who will drive the bus off the cliff slower”? Why try in a grade school manner to shame us into setting aside our principles? Why not simply ignore us and let us wallow in our own “obscurity”.

I see two possibilities…

First, that the Liberty Movement has grown strong enough to encompass a sizable mass of voting power, at least large enough to ensure that many GOP candidates will win or lose by a particular margin. That margin may be thin and we may not yet be in a position to launch our own party, but without us, they know they are likely to fall short, and this problem is only going to grow as time passes. They court us, or attack us, because they realize they cannot win despite us.

Second, if you subscribe to the well documented idea that elections, at least at the federal level, are entirely staged (which I do), then you might ask yourself again why the GOP elite were grasping for the Liberty Movement to relinquish for the sake of defeating Obama. If Obama and Romney are essentially the same monkey, the same exact errand boy for the same exact globalist puppeteers, then what the hell do they need our vote for? Romney wins, and they get what they want. Obama wins and they get what they want. Unless…what they really wanted was our participation in the farce.

That’s right, perhaps the greater purpose of the endless lesser-of-two-evils charade was to see if the establishment could convince us to compromise our conscience and be drawn back into the game. Maybe, just maybe, it was all a test, of you, of us, to discern how much of the Liberty Movement could be conned or swayed with moral relativism. Perhaps the death rattle of the Republican industrial complex was due to the one thing that the media will never spotlight in a 60 minute primetime special; the fact that the majority of the burgeoning Liberty Movement refused to sell out, proving that the GOP is no longer effective at keeping us reigned in or co-opted. The GOP is dying and we are thriving. Whether or not the two are related, I leave for you to decide…

georgiaboy
01-09-2013, 10:58 AM
bump. great piece!

paulbot24
01-09-2013, 11:21 AM
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TheTexan
01-09-2013, 11:30 AM
Yup

pochy1776
01-09-2013, 12:13 PM
WHat about the Ron Paul Republicans
Bills
Amash
Massie
Rand
Bentevolio

acptulsa
01-09-2013, 02:33 PM
WHat about the Ron Paul Republicans
Bills
Amash
Massie
Rand
Bentevolio

As Ron Paul's 24 year career, and the huge difference between the first eighteen and the last six, demonstrate so well, a voice of reason in Congress doesn't mean a damned thing--unless and until people listen to it.

We may be pissing conservatives off by reminding them how completely they've compromised their principles. But we're also reminding them of something they've just about forgotten--how much they like conservative principles. That's where we're jacking with the powers that be. And that's why they're jacking with us.

That said, I don't think the GOP is dying because the liberty movement is thriving. I think the liberty movement is thriving because it has been so long since voting GOP was a satisfying thing to do that it's finally killing itself.

pochy1776
01-09-2013, 02:42 PM
So do we use the libertarian party? I reckon parties are stupid, why can;t we do a Bernie Sanders and go independent? What happened to the plans of taking over the republican base? And why do some libertarians try to appeal to liberals by being libertine and hating christians like the skeptical libertarian group?

FSP-Rebel
01-09-2013, 02:57 PM
So do we use the libertarian party? I reckon parties are stupid, why can;t we do a Bernie Sanders and go independent? What happened to the plans of taking over the republican base?
We've had way more success in our movement to restore the GOP in just a few short years than the LP has had in its entire existence which unfortunately was and is plagued by ballot access laws. Networking with the so-called Tea Party base conservatives is where our main opportunity for growth lies imo. They are mostly passionate about the role of government yet they can easily be lead astray by their beloved media personalities. The RP name was the wedge that was used to stick between them and us but our relationship with them is coming in a new direction with Rand being the default prince of our political movement. Currently, there's way more liberty friendly Congressmen now than ever before and we're increasing our influence in certain state and local GOP parties across the nation and this is all before the bulk of the next county/state conventions occur with the addition of all the newly elected precinct delegates that are being spawned from our side. If we keep showing up and rubbing shoulders with the other true fiscal conservatives, the more influential we'll be and better positioned in 2-4 years to keep multiplying our stock in Congress and have a shot at the White House. Despite the LP's takeover of our metro Detroit RP meetup group, our local C4L is keeping everyone lined up and we're meeting next weekend to prepare for our upcoming conventions to keep increasing our part of the pie in the MIGOP and locally as well.

jbauer
01-09-2013, 03:14 PM
"The GOP is dying because it no longer supports or nurtures the progress of true and traditional conservative values or the people who hold them. The GOP is fading into the bowels of political history because real conservatives are LEAVING it behind, and searching for other more legitimate avenues."

That descirbes me to a tee

fisharmor
01-09-2013, 03:19 PM
I voted conservative out of fear.
For fear is irrational, and so is conservativism.
It's true that liberalism is no more rational.
But before I vote, I'm never again going to pretend I don't know what I know now.

Bastiat's The Law
01-09-2013, 08:24 PM
It's not just ballot access laws third parties have to contend with. You must also contend with the psyche of the individual voter and the stigma that third parties can't win. That is an ENORMOUS hurdle that many here don't take into consideration. Try going door-to-door encouraging people to vote for a third party candidate and reality hits you in the face along with the front door. You spend all your time trying to convince them its not a throw away vote and you never even get to discussing the issues or the actual candidate running.

pochy1776
01-09-2013, 10:19 PM
It's not just ballot access laws third parties have to contend with. You must also contend with the psyche of the individual voter and the stigma that third parties can't win. That is an ENORMOUS hurdle that many here don't take into consideration. Try going door-to-door encouraging people to vote for a third party candidate and reality hits you in the face along with the front door. You spend all your time trying to convince them its not a throw away vote and you never even get to discussing the issues or the actual candidate running.
The republican party is not dying, not anytime soon. The powers they have,. along with dems, will never be let go.
I prefer republicans because they tend to be more honest and sincere(people not politicians.) All the local democrats ihave met just accepted government hook, line and sinker.

acptulsa
01-09-2013, 10:24 PM
The republican party is not dying, not anytime soon. The powers they have,. along with dems, will never be let go.

If people stop voting for the Republican Division of The American Politboro, then it will die. And with it will go something the powers that be value very highly--their ability to keep us divided against ourselves and pretend that our votes mean something--anything at all--and we're really in charge of what is really still a republic. Sure, they could maintain the GOP into perpetuity, but if no one votes for it and no one cares, what good is it doing them? These psychos don't hang onto useless things for sentimental reasons.

If we take it over, they'll do whatever they can think of to squash the GOP like a bug. Count on it.

pochy1776
01-09-2013, 10:26 PM
If people stop voting for the Republican Division of The American Politboro, then it will die. And with it will go something the powers that be value very highly--their ability to keep us divided against ourselves and pretend that our votes mean something--anything at all--and we're really in charge of what is really still a republic. Sure, they could maintain the GOP into perpetuity, but if no one votes for it and no one cares, what good is it doing them? These psychos don't hang onto useless things for sentimental reasons.

If we take it over, they'll do whatever they can think of to squash the GOP like a bug. Count on it.

So what can we do to peacefully and rationally absorb it?

The Iowa GOP (fiscal and socially moderate-conservative) is already under the Ron Paul Revolution. Could applying it by state GOP work?

acptulsa
01-09-2013, 10:31 PM
So what can we do to peacefully and rationally absorb it?

The Iowa GOP (fiscal and socially moderate-conservative) is already under the Ron Paul Revolution. Could applying it by state GOP work?

Can't say I know what they have up their sleeves. But state by state looks promising. We're getting some good results so far.

pochy1776
01-09-2013, 10:35 PM
Can't say I know what they have up their sleeves. But state by state looks promising. We're getting some good results so far.

I am afraid Rand won't be Rand in 2016 or even win against party hack blue. I am afraid of America breeding Selfish group think individuals who are also statists.

heavenlyboy34
01-09-2013, 10:44 PM
May the GOP die a painful, agonizing death. Ye started as a mediocre third party, and to dust ye shall return.

heavenlyboy34
01-09-2013, 10:45 PM
You people who are playing the party game/charade should infiltrate the dems as well.