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Anti Federalist
12-05-2012, 05:30 PM
Congratulations all you MADD types, you "lock drunk drivers up and throw away the key" folks.

This where all us kooks and conspiracy theorists told you all this was heading.

And, oh joy, your new electronic car will have logged everywhere you drove and for how long, so there won't be any pencil whipping your driver's logs or lying to the cops when they haul your sorry ass off to jail for driving home after 16 hours of working your two piddling ass jobs that you need just to stay afloat and pay your taxes.

Fuck me, the future is so Fail.

Sleep-Deprived Drive

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/sleepdeprived-drive_b_2243971.html?utm_hp_ref=the-agitator

Radley Balko

Posted: 12/05/2012 8:27 am

The New York Times reports that prosecutors looking for ways to bring charges against people who drive while sleep-deprived.*

They're having problems doing so because some people need more sleep than others, and some people function better than others when deprived of sleep. But of course, you can say the same thing about alcohol.

The difference is that we have a way to measure how much alcohol is in a driver's bloodstream. It has its limitations. Blood-alcohol concentration can vary by height, weight, and genetics. And within all of that variation, some people function better than others at different BAC levels. It's just a poor way of measuring impairment. But it is a way to come up with a number. And we seem to be comfortable convicting people based on numbers, even if they're fairly arbitrary.

One reason we don't have similar strict laws against driving while sleep deprived is that we don't have a test to measure sleep deprivation. (Latent Puritan attitudes toward alcohol are probably a factor too.) If there were some crude test to measure it, we'd probably be convicting people by now, regardless of whether the method of measurement actually did much to make the roads safer.

There are similar problems with attempts to ban the use of cell phones while driving. Yes, it's dumb and unsafe to use your cell phone in the car. Most of the time. But laws prohibiting it don't necessarily make the roads safer. In fact, they might make things worse.

The answer, as I've argued before, is to scrap the under-the-influence model altogether. Stop focusing on why people drive poorly and start punishing them for driving poorly. A family of four killed when an oncoming car hops the median is no less dead if the driver was a mom distracted by her kids in the back seat, a drunk driver, or a teenager who lost control while sending a text message.

If you want to crack down on highway deaths, pass more severe penalties for reckless driving, regardless of the cause. You could gradually at more punishment for someone who causes an accident, causes injury, or causes a fatality. But the actual breaking of traffic laws should be the crime. When you focus on the cause of impairment, you get problems like Fourth Amendment-stretching sobriety checkpoints, or cops authorized to draw blood along the side of the road. Cell phone and texting bans become another excuse for cops to make pretext stops while drug profiling.

Finally, when we discuss what new laws we need to make the roads safer, it's good to remember that highway fatalities have been in decline for decades. And that's happened over period in which distracted driving has increased exponentially.

(*Did you notice I linked to the mobile version of the NYT story? I wrote this entire post on my cell phone while stopped at a red light.**)

(**Kidding! Although given the length of the typical red light in Nashville, it's probably doable.)

tod evans
12-05-2012, 05:46 PM
I've got a better idea......How about outlawing prosecutors and legislators who would even dare bring up the subject with a straight face...

Public flogging would be a good and entertaining punishment that wouldn't cost us taxpayers a dime...

satchelmcqueen
12-05-2012, 08:47 PM
another way to fine/collect money/extort through the legal system...

aGameOfThrones
12-05-2012, 08:59 PM
Finally! Now where are all those 9th DWS lifers?

BTW, waiting on DW Not taking your medication on time/forget legislation.

Anti Federalist
12-06-2012, 02:35 PM
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phill4paul
12-06-2012, 02:44 PM
Meh, that is just the beginning. Sure, it started with MADD. And the people just yawned and said "Well hell I don't drink so this law must be fine. It doesn't affect me."

Well, how about trying this on for size...


A controversial idea to crack down on distracted drivers in suburban Oak Park would ban eating, drinking and applying makeup, as well as talking on the phone while behind the wheel.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8390083


Of course the only way to totally enforce this would be video monitoring. I'm sure that coding is already set for the NHTSA little mandatory black boxes.

TonySutton
12-06-2012, 02:46 PM
Since poor people often turn to crime to feed their families maybe we should start looking for poor people so we can put them in jail before they start a life of crime...

paulbot24
12-06-2012, 02:49 PM
Correction to this could be: NY-Prosecutors looking at ways to criminally charge people

Dark_Horse_Rider
12-06-2012, 02:51 PM
better not catch them with contraband Big Gulp and burger with fries

Kodaddy
12-06-2012, 03:05 PM
Define sleep-deprived....now prove it...hell, I think I've been sleep deprived since I was 15...

TheNewYorker
12-06-2012, 03:16 PM
I crossed the yellow line once while driving late at night while returning from a trip. Didn't see the cop sitting in the median. Got pulled over. Asked the usual "have you been drinking tonight?" I said no, just very tired. He told me it was unsafe to drive while sleep deprived and cited me for reckless driving. Couldn't make the court day to fight it, because of distance and work schedule. So I paid $100 to hire a traffic lawyer to represent me in court. It didnt' get thrown out, only reduced to "non moving violation." which was no points on my license and a $200 fine. Much better than losing my license but still, it's extortion.

New York - "The Empire State" is right.

See the trip I was returning from, was a drive to Washington, DC and back the next day. I find it absolutely amazing that down the highways through at least 5 or 6 states, the only state that I saw police pulled people over in was New York! None of the other states I didn't even see any police at all except in DC. As soon as I got into NY and crossed the border from pennsylvania, the 45 minute drive to my home on I-81 I counted 7 people pulled over for some sort of traffic infraction! But none at all in the other states!!!

NY SUCKS

mrsat_98
12-06-2012, 04:01 PM
I think its a great idea, however implementing it my be some what retarded.