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Zippyjuan
12-04-2012, 07:34 PM
Got bad neighbors and they are forcing you to consider moving? In Amsterdam, they are considering forcing the bad neighbor to move instead.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/04/amsterdam-plans-to-relocate-troublemakers-to-scum-villages/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost

In a move that sounds straight out of Orwell, Amsterdam allocated 1 million euros last week to a plan that would relocate trouble-making neighbors to camps on the outskirts of the city, the BBC reports.

The “scum villages,” as critics have called them, would lie in isolated areas and provide only basic services to their unwilling residents. According to details of the plan reported by Der Spiegel and the BBC, residents will live in “container homes,” under the watchful eye of social workers or police. The residents themselves might not make very good company. According to the BBC, they’ll include families that engage in repeated, small-scale harassment, like bullying gay neighbors or intimidating police witnesses.

If this reads a little like ghettoization, you’re not the only one to notice. Amsterdam Mayor Eberhard van der Laan has already faced a number of questions about the fairness of the plan, as well as the fear that crowding troublemakers together will simply breed more trouble. Most alarming, however, are the parallels to a plan proposed by far right-wing politician Geert Wilders last year.

Under that plan, Dutch paper de Volkskrant reports, repeat offenders (and their families, if minors) would relocate to container compounds in isolated areas. Residents could only return to society after a proven period of work or study. At the time, Wilders called his proposal a way to “put all the trash together and leave normal people alone,” according to a translation by Der Spiegel. But Wilders’s definition of “normal people” has concerned many observers, including Holland’s Public Prosecution Service — it charged him with several counts of inciting hate and discrimination against Muslims in January 2009.

Amsterdam city officials are, unsurprisingly, disavowing any similarity between their plan and Wilders’s. It’s already drawing comparisons to a gentler assisted-living program in Denmark, which lacks — through design or better PR — the dystopic overtones of the “scum villages.”

“Usually people are scared to report problems for fear of intimidation,” city spokeswoman Tahira Limon told the BBC. “It’s an upside down world and we want to change it so the people who cause the problems are moved.”


The "container compounds" are just that - shipping containers with minimal facilties. And they are supposed to be supervised the whole time they are there.

jkr
12-04-2012, 07:52 PM
prison

Zippyjuan
12-04-2012, 07:56 PM
Article from 2009: http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals


Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals


During the 1990s the Netherlands faced a shortage of prison cells, but a decline in crime has since led to overcapacity in the prison system. The country now has capacity for 14,000 prisoners but only 12,000 detainees.

Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak announced on Tuesday that eight prisons will be closed, resulting in the loss of 1,200 jobs. Natural redundancy and other measures should prevent any forced lay-offs, the minister said.

The overcapacity is a result of the declining crime rate, which the ministry's research department expects to continue for some time.

Belgian prisoners

Some reprieve might come from a deal with Belgium, which is facing overpopulation in its prisons. The two countries are working out an agreement to house Belgian prisoners in Dutch prisons. Some five-hundred Belgian prisoners could be transferred to the Tilburg prison by 2010.

The Netherlands would get 30 million euros in the deal, and it will allow the closing of the prisons in Rotterdam and Veenhuizen to be postponed until 2012.


Only 12,000 prisoners in a population of over 16 million.

LibForestPaul
12-04-2012, 08:59 PM
Article from 2009: http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals



Only 12,000 prisoners in a population of over 16 million.

Don't worry looks lke government is on its way creating some.

tod evans
12-05-2012, 06:03 AM
Here our government just locks up anyone they find offensive and supplys free food and housing to the remaining family members...

Cell phones too...:cool:

ronpaulfollower999
12-05-2012, 06:11 AM
No criminals? Thats okay, we'll make them.

tangent4ronpaul
12-05-2012, 12:14 PM
Article from 2009: http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals



Only 12,000 prisoners in a population of over 16 million.

Makes me wonder how many this country would have without the drug laws.

-t

tod evans
12-05-2012, 12:20 PM
Makes me wonder how many this country would have without the drug laws.

-t

Less than 20% in the federal hoosegow...

torchbearer
12-05-2012, 12:24 PM
So, they are helping to organize villainy by putting all these people together in locations?
prisons are Criminal Universities. there are many examples where relocating people with like problems ends up making the problem worse for everyone.

compromise
12-05-2012, 01:44 PM
Wilders is a very liberal neo-conservative. Funny how he's considered 'far-right' in Europe yet many of his counterparts here in the US, like McCain are considered moderates. Just shows how far-left the EU has gone.

QuickZ06
12-05-2012, 02:19 PM
No criminals? Thats okay, we'll make them.

40k laws passes last year alone......we are all law breakers!

idiom
12-05-2012, 02:32 PM
Container compounds are awesome. The make for incredibly low-cost student housing among other things.

http://img.weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/cargotecture-keetwonen-container-city.jpg

http://img.weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/shipping-containers-office-platoon.jpg

http://img.weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/12.jpg

dannno
12-05-2012, 02:35 PM
According to the BBC, they’ll include families that engage in repeated, small-scale harassment, like bullying gay neighbors or intimidating police witnesses.


Bullying neighbors who happen to be gay, or bullying them because they are gay ?