Most Young People want MORE government!

[itshappening]

Nearly 6 in 10 young voters support bigger government — a worrisome statistic for conservatives who want to increase their presence on college campuses and among the under-30 crowd.

According to the Pew Research Center, 59 percent of young voters think the government should do more — something only 44 percent of all voters support. On government-run healthcare, the most popular policy preference among young voters was to expand it.

Young voters were also far more likely to identify as liberals and members of the Democratic Party than older generations.

For young conservative activists, making inroads on college campuses will be no easy task.

“The rise in young people embracing paternalistic government comes as no shock,” said Gabriella Hoffman, a field coordinator for the Leadership Institute, in an email to The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Most have developed contempt for free enterprise and limited government from their college professors who inject anti-free market, socialist and even Marxist views into their lectures.”

Students with non-liberal views need to fight back, or be drowned out entirely, she said.

“If students don’t expose this bias and bombard their campuses with alternative viewpoints, then more young people will become slaves to the government.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/majority-of-young-voters-wants-bigger-government/

[Seraphim]

I'd say that number would have been 7 out of 10 4 years ago.

It is shifting the other way. We're making progress.

[itshappening]

The trend is worrying though, these indoctrinated youth will carry forth their big government agenda into adulthood

[Dr.3D]

Guess they didn't get enough spankings so they would like the government to do what mommy and daddy didn't.

[supermario21]

The problem is that many in my age group are simply uninformed. They look to their superstar hero or role model and see them with the big O and then they worship him. They're also overly simplistic so they think the government needs to ensure things for said thing to happen (health care, education, etc). They don't understand the simple concept that when government gets involved, for example, costs go up.

[supermario21]

But it is also a minority problem. White youth 18-29 voted for Romney 51-44. I'm sure RP could have done 60-40 at the WORST against BO.

[matt0611]

Government schooling system for the loss. If you haven't been in the k-12 government school system in a long time, you'd be AMAZED at the propaganda they shove down children's throats.

[TheGrinch]

The trend is worrying though, these indoctrinated youth will carry forth their big government agenda into adulthood

Not necessarily, if it weren't for my anti-corporate big government-advocating professors, I would have never found the way of liberty in the long run.

For one thing, at least they're being indoctrinated with the idea that these wars and imperialism are unjust. A good amount come to realize the domestic differences once they become older and get into the real-world.

[Drex]

My liberal teacher once told me that everyone truly wants less government, she even does. But the republicans message of less government is less government in the areas that they want it, and more government in the bedroom, womb, etc. She sympathizes to libertarians though.

[AuH20]

Don't worry they will be getting more government. So much government in fact, that they're going to be killing each over for what's left of it.

[Natural Citizen]

Government schooling system for the loss. If you haven't been in the k-12 government school system in a long time, you'd be AMAZED at the propaganda they shove down children's throats.

Like what?

Also, it should be considered that just throwing the term government schooling around...as it is now...isn't realistic across the board. Many private sector industries fund a large portion of material less discussed or even understood.

Can easily scrutinize several subjects within these boards where clearly Independents/libertarians have supported "government". They just pretend not to see that they actually are. Control of the market by government has a specific term. Often ignored around these parts too.

I undertand the classic reasoning behind throwing the term "government" run this or that in front of everything just because it's simple to do and explanation isn't required among like minds but if people continue to think education isn't changing then they need to open their eyes. Or better yet, open up junior's text book once in a while. They would be surprised at what's new.

[supermario21]

I think the schooling point is overblown. I didn't have outright propaganda at the K-12 level. I even remember my 3rd grade teacher getting fired up about the election hoping Bush would defeat Gore. It helped, however, that my AP Government teacher was a Republican, along with my AP 11 English teacher and my AP 12 English teacher was a libertarian who really got me into the movement. College has been a different story so far, but the overall message I would say is EDUCATE yourself. We are worthless as a society if we cannot form our own viewpoints, even after "attempted brainwashing."

[VoluntaryAmerican]

I love it when people blame young people for all our problems...

Never mind the government that is bankrupting this nation (gee I wonder why free healthcare looks good) or the generations before them that accepted statism and socialist tendencies in the first place.

[V3n]

Young people say that because they haven't been educated yet. It's not their fault - but they are eager to learn.

Ron Paul sells out College venues! He will continue to do so (I believe) well into his "retirement"!

[LibForestPaul]

The trend is worrying though, these indoctrinated youth will carry forth their big government agenda into adulthood

Might be worrying, but predicatable. Old people got their handouts, social security, government pensions. Wheres ours, who can the young sponge off.
suckers.

[EBounding]

I used to think people had a natural yearning to be free. I was wrong. People have a natural yearning to be comfortable, and this of course goes for young people. It's going to be up to us to make sure people know liberty is the only way you can be comfortable in life, since a boot on your neck doesn't feel that great.

[Shane Harris]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26711.html

"President Barack Obama's plans for a televised back-to-school address to students next week are drawing fire from some conservatives, who say he's just trying to indoctrinate them to his political beliefs.


In the Sept. 8 speech, Obama will challenge students to work hard, set goals for their education and take responsibility for their learning, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a letter to principals.


The Education Department is encouraging teachers to create lesson plans around the speech, using materials provided on the department website that urge students to learn about Obama and other presidents.


"He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens," Duncan said in a press release.


But already, some conservatives are crying foul. The chairman of the Florida Republican Party is condemning Obama's speech as an attempt to "indoctrinate America's children to his socialist agenda."


"The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power," Chairman Jim Greer said in a press release.


Added conservative talk show host Tammy Bruce, in a Twitter feed: "Make September 8 Parentally Approved Skip Day. You are your child's moral tutor, not that shady lawyer from Chicago." And conservative author Michelle Malkin said the lesson plans have a "heavy activist bent."


Texas school districts are discussing whether the president's speech will be shown — some districts are leaving it up to individual teachers with an opt out for parents who don't want their children to view the speech, according to the Houston Chronicle.


In his letter to principals, Duncan said viewing of the speech is encouraged, not mandatory. It's the first time a president has ever given a speech addressed directly to students."

[LibertyEagle]

My liberal teacher once told me that everyone truly wants less government, she even does. But the republicans message of less government is less government in the areas that they want it, and more government in the bedroom, womb, etc. She sympathizes to libertarians though.

Ain't that the truth. :(

[LibertyEagle]

I used to think people had a natural yearning to be free. I was wrong. People have a natural yearning to be comfortable, and this of course goes for young people. It's going to be up to us to make sure people know liberty is the only way you can be comfortable in life, since a boot on your neck doesn't feel that great.

Excellent point. Have any ideas?

[BSU kid]

One thing I have noticed is that young people in general care less about monetary policy, and more about social issues.

On a different note...
In High School I had a communist History teacher, she used to call herself a little "parlor pink" around the edges and she enjoyed pushing a left wing agenda. She was a nice lady, but I am pretty sure she brainwashed half the class.

[EBounding]

Excellent point. Have any ideas?

It's a tough question. A lot tougher than it should be. You would think having kids literally molested at the airport would be enough to let people know something is wrong.

I think we need to focus on internet freedom, even though there's obviously worse things right now threatening our liberty. People are comfortable with their internet and they have a fit if it gets threatened.

[AFPVet]

Some slaves don't know they are slaves until they've been unhooked from the matrix.

[twomp]

Yes, blame the young people, they will get what's coming to them! But in reality, the policies in place now have been in place for DECADES!! But us young folks, we'll get what we deserve right?

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Not suprising, I was damn near a socialist in my younger days.

[tttppp]

Nearly 6 in 10 young voters support bigger government — a worrisome statistic for conservatives who want to increase their presence on college campuses and among the under-30 crowd.

According to the Pew Research Center, 59 percent of young voters think the government should do more — something only 44 percent of all voters support. On government-run healthcare, the most popular policy preference among young voters was to expand it.

Young voters were also far more likely to identify as liberals and members of the Democratic Party than older generations.

For young conservative activists, making inroads on college campuses will be no easy task.

“The rise in young people embracing paternalistic government comes as no shock,” said Gabriella Hoffman, a field coordinator for the Leadership Institute, in an email to The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Most have developed contempt for free enterprise and limited government from their college professors who inject anti-free market, socialist and even Marxist views into their lectures.”

Students with non-liberal views need to fight back, or be drowned out entirely, she said.

“If students don’t expose this bias and bombard their campuses with alternative viewpoints, then more young people will become slaves to the government.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/28/majority-of-young-voters-wants-bigger-government/

Blame this on their communist college professors who constantly call for more laws to solve our problems or more spending as if throwing money at the problem will work.

[tod evans]

Place blame where it belongs, not with kids or teachers but with government itself..

Government is self perpetuating and sooner or later it will finish consuming all the resources in our country, physical, natural and intellectual...

[Origanalist]

Place blame where it belongs, not with kids or teachers but with government itself..

Government is self perpetuating and sooner or later it will finish consuming all the resources in our country, physical, natural and intellectual...

^^^^^ That right there............and it's all the boomers fault.







:D

[tod evans]

and it's all the boomers fault.



I are one...:o

[Origanalist]

I are one...:o

Same here...:eek:

[2young2vote]

In high school I had to read a book about an author who went undercover. She dropped everything and went into the world to see what it is like for a poor person to live. I found the book absolutely pathetic and I made sure the teacher knew that. The undercover author almost purposely went out of her way to be irresponsible, picky, and bad at her jobs. I mean, she purposely turned down multiple cheaper apartments because it didn't have this or that amenity. She disrespected the property of the business owners she worked for. She didn't even try.

It was during that time that I found another book that was the exact same concept, but rather than socialist trying to prove that people can't succeed in today's society, the kid went out to prove that someone CAN succeed. Who do you think went the farthest? I'm fortunate that the teacher was atleast fair and I got a good grade even though i called her out in a paper for making us read that crap. Not all teachers are that nice.

[FindLiberty]

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. -- DoI

"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire; a dangerous servant and a terrible master." -- George Washington

"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side,' I calmly say, 'Your child belongs to us already...What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.'" -- Adolf Hitler in a speech given on November 6, 1933

"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane because he comes to school with certain allegiances toward our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all of these sick children well, by creating the international children of the future." -- Dr. C.M. Pierce of Harvard University in a speech to teachers (1973)

[ghengis86]

I blame government schools first and foremost.

[Ronulus]

Well there are an awful lot of 'liberal' teachers out there.

[tod evans]

Well there are an awful lot of 'liberal' teachers out there.

And there's lots of conservative preachers too..

What's either one got to do with too much government?

[ghengis86]

Well there are an awful lot of 'liberal' teachers out there.

They're government employees, what do you expect? Self preservation.

[presence]

Subsidized Big US Oil turns 200 billion/y US windfall
Subsidized Big US Pharma 200 billion/y US windfall
Tax payer funded Big US Military DOD spends 400 billion more than China and Russia combined.
Medicaid and Medicare already account for 940 Billion annual expense
-----------------------------------
1740 Billion (that's off the top of my head, by all means cite me wrong)

We have 300 million people in the US.

1740B / 300M = $5,800


UK/Canada spends 3500/head on national healthcare.
(http:// http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP )_per_capita)
$3,606 Average Cost of Private Health Insurance in the USA (http://www.ehow.com/about_7319135_average-private-health-insurance-usa.html#ixzz2EBgC7zBB)

yet...




Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies (http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-05/health/bankruptcy.medical.bills_1_medical-bills-bankruptcies-health-insurance?_s=PM:HEALTH)


Insurers skim off 15-20 percent of premium dollars for administrative costs (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111494182&ps=rs) and profits which fund TV ad campaigns, Washington lobbyists, lavish company retreats (http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20100224/stupak.statement.02.24.2010.pdf) and outlandish CEO salaries. The top five earning insurance companies averaged profits of $12.2 billion (http://hcfan.3cdn.net/a9ce29d3038ef8a1e1_dhm6b9q0l.pdf), an increase of $4.4 billion, or 56 percent, from 2008.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-05/health-insurer-profit-rises-as-obama-s-health-law-supplies-revenue-boost.html

I don't know the means or the method... but something in those numbers is fucked and needs to change.


On government-run healthcare, the most popular policy preference among young voters was to expand it.

No shit, they're watching their parents generation get picked off like flies while the ultra wealthy fat cats claim record profits quarter after quarter. Something has to change.

You can't blame a 18 year old for screaming, "I'm scared, nanny catch me".

[Bossobass]

No progress will ever be made until the blame is laid where the fault actually is.

So, who are "they"?

"I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers."

"Competition is a sin."

John D Rockefeller

It ain't the teachers. It ain't the young folk. It ain't the old folk. It ain't the politicians. It ain't the Unions. It ain't the churches.

"Inside the vaults of the big banks you'll find the title deeds to every business, building, home, highway, mine, town hall, school, hospital, railroad, car, bus, park, power plant, water supply and farm as well as the worlds reserves of gold and silver."

School is just a way for "them" to train workers for their factories and offices while skimming off the top 3% to lock into their think tanks.

All the while "we" lob blame grenades at each other and life goes on according to the way "they" have planned it for us.

[mz10]

I must point out, as a college student myself, that a lot of the people who say they want more government are not very politically active or aware. It may sound funny, but I would bet that many of the people who answered that way voted for Ron Paul, simply because everyone else was doing it and they didn't know what his actual positions were. A lot of these people have very poorly-formed opinions, they just kind of assume that government needs to fix problems.

[Natural Citizen]

A lot of these people have very poorly-formed opinions, they just kind of assume that government needs to fix problems.


Perhaps. Of course, equally accountable are those who profess for less government yet in doing so they usher in even more. There is this fundamental flaw in minds that still accept that they are supporting free market ideas yet fail to fully comprehend that a free market system isn't exactly what we have going on. What we have is more so government controlled markets. Is an illusion that many would do well to understand. In not doing so, they are just as accountable as those they throw rocks at from inside their glass fortress.

[Anti Federalist]

I used to think people had a natural yearning to be free. I was wrong. People have a natural yearning to be comfortable, and this of course goes for young people. It's going to be up to us to make sure people know liberty is the only way you can be comfortable in life, since a boot on your neck doesn't feel that great.
Now, we're getting somewhere.

This is a fundamental failing of this whole "movement", and one of the very few issues with which I disagree with Ron Paul about.

Freedom is NOT popular.

People do not want freedom, have never wanted freedom, they will actively fight against you trying to obtain it, and will happily vote themselves into bondage and slavery, if they have even the slightet idea that the slavemasters will meet their needs.

Which are, of course, to be fed, entertained and to exercise petty power over their fellow men.

You pander to those three base human instincts and you will have laid the foundation of a thousand year empire.

[AFPVet]

Now, we're getting somewhere.

This is a fundamental failing of this whole "movement", and one of the very few issues with which I disagree with Ron Paul about.

Freedom is NOT popular.

People do not want freedom, have never wanted freedom, they will actively fight against you trying to obtain it, and will happily vote themselves into bondage and slavery, if they have even the slightest idea that the slavemasters will meet their needs.

Which are, of course, to be fed, entertained and to exercise petty power over their fellow men.

You pander to those three base human instincts and you will have laid the foundation of a thousand year empire.

Yep!
...You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. —Morpheus

[jbauer]

Government schooling system for the loss. If you haven't been in the k-12 government school system in a long time, you'd be AMAZED at the propaganda they shove down children's throats.

I know thats why my kids are going to private school even though we can barley afford it.

[jbauer]

I used to think people had a natural yearning to be free. I was wrong. People have a natural yearning to be comfortable, and this of course goes for young people. It's going to be up to us to make sure people know liberty is the only way you can be comfortable in life, since a boot on your neck doesn't feel that great.

Thats where you're wrong. Liberty is only comfortable if you can take care of yourself. That boot you speak of to some hurts a whole lot less then actually taking responsiblity for themselves.

[tod evans]

People do not want freedom,

This people does.:o

[Lucille]

Too bad so sad for the Millennials that Leviathan will implode, and soon.


take heart (http://blog.independent.org/2009/11/02/can-the-rampaging-leviathan-be-stopped-or-slowed/) from the knowledge that ultimately this criminal enterprise will attain such bloated size and scope that its own survival will no longer be possible, and it will implode, as the Soviet Union and other similarly overreaching politico-economic orders have imploded. Governments that grow and grow ultimately find that their predation becomes greater than their prey can support, at which point such predators are doomed. Thus, the present system of government in this country and many others contains the seeds of its own destruction

[nobody's_hero]

Not so fast.

Less than half of young voters age 18-29 vote. You can't say 'most young people want more government.' The majority doesn't want anything at all to do with their government.

The 18-29 bracket has the lowest participation rate of any age group eligible to vote, and continues to decline, in terms of ratios. (They did get a boost in 2008, with Obama—not because of the promise of big-government stuff, but because Bush sucked and the GOP didn't stop him when they had the chance). Note that Obama received 10,000,000 less votes this year than in 2008. "Fool me once, shame on you . . ."

Here's what I think is actually happening (my theory):

Democrats know what it takes to get those big-government-supporting young people out and voting. "Free stuff", usually. Are those young voters naive? Sure.

But the GOP doesn't know how to get the small-government young folks out and voting. "Free stuff" doesn't work, but we all know that the GOP is now acting like democrats in trying to win votes and this just isn't working on the conservative-leaning young folks. These young voters are the smart bunch, because even the GOP can't fool them into coming out and supporting big-government, as it has successfully fooled the older generation (which mostly votes Republican out of tradition and practically-archaic beliefs that the GOP will shrink government if only given the chance, again, again, and again).

If you want to blame someone, or something, for the lack of young-voter turnout to help shrink government, blame the unprincipled GOP that blue-haired republicans have been defending for far too long. Why didn't they stop the GOP from abandoning conservatism when neoconservatism was just a philosophy etched on a napkin (rather than neoconservatives now occupying every GOP leadership position at the national level)? Goldwater got beat and I guess everyone turned into Rockefeller republicans, lol. Way to hold the line.