Green Party Getting the Anti-Fed Message, Is an Alliance Possible?

[James_Madison_Lives]

It was sometime in 2011 when Michael Tracey for the American Conservative caught up with Ralph Nader, recent Green Party presidential candidate, and talked about a progressive - Ron Paul alliance. He asked Nader, if progressives are in favor of expanding the welfare state, how well can they really get along with folks who go around quoting the likes of Hayek and Rothbard?


"That's strategic sabotage," Nader responds, sharply. "It's an intellectual indulgence....If they're on your side, and you don't compromise your positions, what do you care who they quote?"..."Ron Paul has always been anti-corporate, anti-Federal Reserve, anti-big banks, anti-bailouts," Nader says. "I mean, they view him in the same way they view me on a lot of these issues."


Now the Green Party of DC, one of the nation's most active and worth getting in touch with, is promoting a talk Tuesday by Ellen Brown, author of The Web of Debt, The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How to Break Free. With the banksters on the run around the world and keeping a sharp eye on things going south for them in America, is this a time for local Paulers to reach out to local Green chapters and agree to agree on one thing, and disagree about the rest?

If Paulers and Greens begin issuing joint statements at the local level calling for the arrest of the banksters, as Iceland has done, the effect could be like a shot heard around the world.

Reason Magazine: Ralph Nader Hearts Ron Paul, Hails Potential Left-Libertarian Alliance, Matt Welch|Sep. 28, 2011 (http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/28/ralph-nader-hearts-ron-paul-ha)


FROM GREEN PARTY OF DC LISTSERVE
To: "DCSGP-Listserve" <dcsgp@yahoogroups.com>

Web of Debt and Public Banking

Busboys and Poets, 14th & V

6:00-8:-00 PM
Tuesday, December 4th

Are you looking for ways to break free of the stranglehold Wall Street has over our lives and communities? One important step is to create public banks to serve the public good and stop enriching Wall Street banks. Come and join in discussion with Ellen Brown and Marc Armstrong, the leaders of the national movement for public banks, to learn about the history and real workings of our modern money system and the role public banks can play in changing the system.

Ellen Brown, author of the highly acclaimed book The Web of Debt, The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How to Break Free, lays out the deception of our private money system and how we got to where we are today, presents a clear picture of the financial abyss toward which we are heading, and points to examples from around the world that have worked better than our current system, including in colonial Pennsylvania.

Marc Armstrong, Director of the Public Banking Institute, will talk about current campaigns to create public banks, including the campaign here in DC

Sponsored by the DC Public Banking Center


Ice News: More Icelandic bankers arrested (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2011/01/20/more-icelandic-bankers-arrested/#ixzz2743EzqFO)

Posted on 20 January 2011.

Iceland’s special prosecutor into the banking crisis has confirmed that raids have taken place today and that arrests have been made. The Central Bank of Iceland is among the institutions under investigation.

Special Prosecutor, Olafur Thor Hauksson told Visir.is that house searches are taking place in at least three places today as part of investigations into the central bank, MP Bank and Straumur Bank...


http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/05/icelandbankers_909b9.jpg
Photographs of the former Icelandic bankers who left their country after the financial crash were stuck on the urinals. (AFP: Olivier Morin, file photo)
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/four-icelandic-bankers-arrested-warra


Wanted: Two grown men for president and vice president of pre-eminent world superpower. Cardboard cut-outs with big hair need not apply.
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[69360]

An alliance on some issues like this sure. The Greens are very good on civil liberties, but horribly socialistic on entitlements.

[Athan]

An alliance on some issues like this sure. The Greens are very good on civil liberties, but horribly socialistic on entitlements.
The beauty of it is, that it doesn't matter if we have differences like that. If we can join in ending the Fed, then we cut the heart of the hydra at the federal level. Evenutally, they won't be able to have big government anyway because they can no longer force everyone to stay on a monoploy fiat currency issued by a bank cartel. Any socialistic or entitlement issues they want can be then administered on a state by state level.

[sailingaway]

To some extent, but aren't most of them greenbackers?

But it IS how we got as much of an audit of the Fed done as we were able to do, with Ron's audit bill added to Dodd-Frank (then watered down by Sanders in the Senate.)

[erowe1]

Not an alliance. But hopefully we can win people over from that camp.

[TheTexan]

If we can join in ending the Fed

Just need to make sure that they do in fact support ending the Fed, rather than moving it to Congress

[VIDEODROME]

heh the guy who runs a local Bookstore is in the Green Party. I've had some interesting and also frustrating conversations over there.

It is worth noting though he supported Ron Paul, but in the General Election he of course went with Jill Stein.


It's strange though because there is this strong overlap. Yet another Green at this bookstore is a fan of Krugman.

[SpreadOfLiberty]

If the Green's had their way, we wouldn't have these credit bubbles, but on the other hand we would have much more inflation.

[TheTexan]

Not an alliance. But hopefully we can win people over from that camp.

If they do support ending the Fed (which I'm skeptical of, haven't really looked into it though), then why not an alliance? Or a "coalition" as Dr. Paul likes to put it.

"Winning over" people as you say is obviously ideal, but you have to understand... many of these Green Party socialist types are literally impossible to convert. They will go to their graves a socialist.

But there's no reason not to join forces for a common cause with honest people (honest being a key word), even if they do disagree on basically everything else.

[VIDEODROME]

If the Green's had their way, we wouldn't have these credit bubbles, but on the other hand we would have much more inflation.

I think more likely we would have higher taxes. Possibly heading toward a government like Canada.

[RonRocks]

There are 4 major issues that we can come to agreement on with the Green Party:

Military spending and empire building
Civil Liberties
Audit/End the Fed
Bailouts/Corp. subsidies

Even Ron himself said the welfare for the poor is minor compared to the defense spending, subsidies, corporate welfare, and bailouts.

If we can agree on these major issues and come together, we can honestly be a formidable force to overwhelm the establishment.

I tend to look at most real liberals/greenies closer to us except for having a bad understanding of economics, heck they even agree with us on the principle of no force or coercion.

I honestly think we should see them as allies rather than 'damn socialists.' We can have arguments on taxation as force and coercion with them later. Right now we need numbers behind the BIGGEST issues, instead of divisive arguments. Divide and Conquer is the establishment's plan after all.. let's not fall for it :)

[misean]

I think more likely we would have higher taxes. Possibly heading toward a government like Canada.

Canada is more economically free than the United States. I'm pretty sure they want to push us more toward France or Sweden. Using Canada as an example of big government is so 15 years ago. They have really gotten their stuff together.

And obv. all these Paul/Kucinich and Paul/Nader calls are ridiculous on so many levels. It's fine to find common ground but let's not get crazy supporting socialists.

[nasaal]

The alliance is quite plausible for these issues. The alliance would break down after these issues, but there is nothing wrong with civil liberties coalitions with those we disagree with elsewhere.

[nobody's_hero]

Flashback 2008:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYALxUfEmfQ

[HOLLYWOOD]

This is shot of real politicans... though some of their ideologies may be off, they represent the people, their money, and the country. Not the smokescreen BS garbage in Congress today that sells us out to special interest, corporations, and elitists.

today's Capital Hill/White House aree nothing but trashy actors bought and paid for.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/components/slideshows/_production/ss-110620-ron-paul/ss-110620-ron-paul-thirdparty.grid-6x3.jpg

[Okie RP fan]

Temporary alliances on SOME issues is feasible and should be practiced.

However, the Green party are essentially "Communist-lite." No thanks.

[emazur]

Now the Green Party of DC, one of the nation's most active and worth getting in touch with, is promoting a talk Tuesday by Ellen Brown, author of The Web of Debt, The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How to Break Free.

If the Greens are promoting this woman, than even if an alliance was possible it would not be desirable. It would simply dilute the End the Fed cause with the Nationalize the Fed cause and the Well the Fed Sucks and it Should be Nationalized but It's Doing the Right Thing cause. Gary North raked this woman over the coals. There are many articles he wrote about her and her book but here's just one of them where he quoted her:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north910.html

QE2 is not a "helicopter drop" of money on the banks or on Main Street. It is the Fed funding the government virtually interest-free, allowing the government to do what it needs to do without driving up the interest bill on the federal debt — an interest bill that need not have existed in the first place. As Thomas Edison said, "If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good, also."

The Fed failed to revive the economy with QE1, but it could redeem itself with QE2, a bold precedent that might inspire other countries to break the chains of debt peonage in the same way. QE2 is the functional equivalent of what many countries did very successfully before the 1970s, when they funded their governments with interest-free loans from their own central banks.

Does this sound like a woman you want to get mixed up with?

[cdc482]

Yes

I voted Jill Stein in 2016, and I consider myself a progressive/socialist, but as you know, I passionately support Ron Paul as well. The issues we disagree on (mainly welfare) are enormous philosophically, but very minor in practicality. Ron Paul took a reasonable approach on welfare anyway. IMO, libertarians are the honest Republicans with integrity and progressives are the honest democrats with integrity. To me, honesty and integrity are the most important factors in a candidate. We need to work together to make positive change. Our philosophical divide is huge, but we can still change a lot--only by working together!

http://i.imgur.com/Tqc87.jpg

[jkob]

We can work together when it is convenient but lets not fool ourselves into thinking these folks share the same goals.

[Anti-Neocon]

The Green Party doesn't want an alliance with us, and they don't have any power anyways. If both the Green and Libertarian parties were to get some power, of course coalitions would be wonderful (think Paul/Kucinich), but I don't see that happening in the near future.

The best solution is to work on in the mean time is electing both Republicans and Democrats who are better on the issues that we care about.

[Captain Shays]

There are a lot of other issues where we can form a coalition with the Greens. I know because I was one before I realized I was and, always was a libertarian.

1. Audit/end the Fed
2. Decentralization -- is actually part of their platform.
3. Legalizarion of Hemp. Repeal marijuana bans
4. Stopping militarism
5. Repeal the Patriot Act
6. Repeal NDAA
7. Open Debates
8. Ballot access requirement restrictions for third party candidates.
9. Ending corporate welfare
10 Bailouts and buy outs
11. A whole host of civil liberty issues.

I'm sure I could find more points of similarity after more coffee in my system but you guys get my point. We don't need to agree on everything.

The Federal Reserve is THE greatest threat to our country, our freedoms, our economy, our sovereignty and, our way of life than ANY other force on this planet and I want all the help I can get in not only ending the control they have on our money supply but in throwing those bastards in jail if not hanging them from really high trees.

I think the second greatest threat to our country is the control over our politicial system by the two parties and their media cohorts and we need all the help we can get in breaking up that power grab or else this country just won't last very long.