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Anti Federalist
12-02-2012, 01:06 AM
Someone had asked me that the other day.

I'm not convinced that "training" is the answer but at least this getting more and more attention.

Perhaps "Rosie" wasn't shot in vain.

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Dog shootings by police avoidable, group says

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019809359_rosie02m.html

By Mike Carter

There has never been a documented case of a dog killing a police officer.

The same can't be said for police killing dogs.

Every year, hundreds — if not thousands — of animals, mostly canines, are killed by police or animal-control officers. According to the National Canine Research Council, up to half of the intentional shootings by police involve dogs.

Sometimes, the animals have been injured and need to be put out of their misery. Sometimes, they are vicious and killed for reasons of public or officer safety.

But mostly, they die tragically and needlessly, victims of misunderstanding, prejudice or simple convenience, according to animal-rights and behavior experts.

Usually, police simply aren't properly trained or don't have the resources to deal with canine encounters, the experts say.

The Internet is peppered with memorials to family pets gunned down by officers.

There's Axel, the 18-month-old Labrador therapy dog-in-training shot in November by an animal-control officer in Charles City, Va., for chasing a neighbor boy. Bully, Boss and Kahlua, a trio of dogs, were killed in August by police in Palm Beach, Fla., while officers were trying to arrest a friend of the dogs' owner. On Nov. 2, police in Middleton, Ohio, shot and killed a 30-pound pet pig after it reportedly tried to bite an officer. The pig was on a leash, according to news reports.

Then there's Rosie, the 4-year-old Newfoundland who was twice shot with a Taser, chased from her yard and then repeatedly shot by Des Moines police after a neighbor had reported her loose and was worried she might get hurt. A federal lawsuit filed by her owners last month, two years after her death — death that experts say happens much too often and can easily be avoided — has reopened wounds and stoked public outrage.

The officers involved were cleared of wrongdoing by the department, and Rosie's owners, Deirdre and Charles Wright, failed in their attempts to have them charged criminally.

"This has got to be a huge embarrassment for that department. And it was very preventable," said Donald Cleary, the director of communications for the National Canine Research Council (NCRC) in Amenia, N.Y., which studies human-canine relations.

(No it wasn't, Donald. If it was an "embarrassment" the overwhelming response would not be:

Why did you shoot our dog?? - Mundane

Why did we shoot your dog? Well, FUCK YOU, that's why. - Officer Friendly. - AF)

"It's like they just ran out of ideas."

Even the federal Department of Justice (DOJ) has recognized the issue.

Last year, the DOJ published a 46-page police training and information guide, "The Problem of Dog-Related Incidents and Encounters," through its Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS). The report, funded by a grant from the NCRC and developed by the University of Illinois Center for Public Safety and Justice, aims to dispel myths about dogs and dog bites and provide resources to help police develop nonlethal strategies for officer-dog encounters.

The report followed a 2010 position paper by the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, which concluded that "most instances of police shooting dogs are avoidable" and urged departments to train officers to better understand dog behavior and to use the minimum force necessary to deal with it.

The COPS report provides just that sort of useful information to street officers, said Cleary, who was one of its co-authors. For example, it contains diagrams to help officers assess the threat posed by a dog based on its "posture, vocalizations and facial expressions," and provides defensive options short of deadly force to avoid encounters with agitated, frightened or aggressive animals.

"They are very preventable, and most wouldn't happen if police knew just a little bit more about dogs," he said.

COPS Director Bernard Melekian, a former Pasadena, Calif., police chief and K-9 officer, wrote in a preface to the report that the number of dogs killed by law enforcement is on the increase and that "officers must advance beyond automatically using their weapons when encountered by a dog."

The report seeks to dispel myths about dogs and dog bites. For instance, despite reports of a "dog-bite epidemic," the number of dog bites has decreased over the past 30 years while canine populations have steadily grown, the report says. In New York City, for example, there were 37,000 reports of dog bites in 1971. In 2009, the number was fewer than 3,600.

At the same time, the majority of police-involved shootings involve animals, mostly dogs. While national numbers are not available, the report contends that statistics kept by cities that track such incidents bear this out.

For example, the report says that nearly three-quarters of the police shootings in Milwaukee, Wis., from 2000 to 2002 involved dogs. Information provided by a number of California law-enforcement agencies, including the Los Angeles Police Department, indicate at least half of the intentional discharges of firearms by police between 2000 and 2005 involved animals, the report says.

Some cities have seen improvements as they've moved toward integrating animal-control and law-enforcement agencies. Last year in New York City, 43 dogs were shot in 36 different incidents, according to the NYPD's 2011 Firearms Discharge Report, which contains a section titled "Animal Attack."

It noted that NYPD officers responded to 28,000 calls for service involving dogs or other animals during the year. Five officers and two civilians were bitten during the shooting incidents, the report says.

The Seattle Police Department requires a Firearms Review Board to convene and formally review any incident involving an officer shooting at a person. However, it allows for a less stringent "summary review" of incidents involving dogs, said Becky Roe, a Seattle attorney and the civilian auditor of the SPD's Firearms Review Board.

Roe said she has not seen a Firearms Review Board report involving a dog shooting in the six years she's held the job, but that she has no information about the summary reviews. Sgt. Sean Whitcomb said he had no information about dog shootings outside the shooting-review process.

King County sheriff's Sgt. Cindi West said it has been difficult for her office to track shootings involving animals, since up until just recently, deputies were not required to write a separate report about such incidents. She said all of the shootings are reviewed by command staff.

"It certainly happens," she said.

As witnessed by the outrage directed at the Des Moines Police Department over the death of Rosie, few incidents can undermine public confidence in a police department faster than the questionable shooting of someone's pet, Cleary said.

"It's not about animal rights. And nobody is questioning an officer's right to protect himself or the public," Cleary said. "But police need to know, to really understand, is that it just doesn't look good."

And it can be expensive. While dogs do not have civil rights, their owners do, and courts have delivered some significant verdicts over the death of a pet.

In perhaps the most noteworthy case, the California cities of San Jose, Gilroy and Santa Clara paid a total of $1.8 million to the families of two Hells Angels whose three pet dogs were shot by police serving a search warrant in a homicide investigation.

North Carolina last year paid a family $77,000 and then passed a law requiring state troopers to receive training in dog behavior after an officer shot Patton, a pit-bull mix that bounded out of a car with a wagging tail after a trooper had pulled the family over on a mistaken report of a robbery. The incident was captured on videotape.

tod evans
12-02-2012, 07:39 AM
One bad thing about cops shooting dogs is that without video proof it's a guarantee that the cops will not be held accountable.

It's hard enough with "proof" of maliciousness to actually hold the offending cop accountable..

presence
12-02-2012, 07:58 AM
One bad thing about cops shooting dogs is that without video proof it's a guarantee that the cops will not be held accountable.

Sooner or later the 2nd amendment will straighten that out.

tod evans
12-02-2012, 08:48 AM
Sooner or later the 2nd amendment will straighten that out.

Sooner would be better........

VoluntaryAmerican
12-02-2012, 01:31 PM
2011 Dog Bite Statistics

There were 31 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2011, according to DogsBite.org.
Over half of the attacks occurred to adults ages 21 and older, while 42% occurred to children 11 years and younger. Of the children killed in dog attacks, 68% occurred to children ages 1 and under.
Twelve of the fatal dog attacks involved more than one dog, and two of the attacks involved tethered dogs.
Family dogs made up 65% of the fatal attacks. Nearly three-quarters (74%) of the attacks occurred on the dog owner’s property.
Pit Bulls accounted for 71% of the attacks. However, Pit Bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.
There were more than twice as many adult fatal dog bite victims as child victims in 2011. Still, seven children ages 5 and younger died after being attacked by a Pit Bull.
Seven Pit Bulls killed their primary caretaker or owner.
Rottweilers were the second-most lethal dog breed. Four people were killed by this type of dog in 2011.
Between the years of 2005 and 2011, Pit Bulls killed about one person every 20 days. Rottweilers killed about one person every 88 days.
The states that had the most fatal dog attacks in 2011 were California and Texas. Other states with deaths included North Carolina, Virginia, New Mexico, and South Carolina.
Child Dog Bite Statistics

Of the 4.5+ million people injured annually in dog bites and attacks, children make up 60% of these victims.
Children ages 5-9 are the most commonly injured, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association.
About 30% of children’s dog bites come from family dogs.
About half of children’s dog bites come from a neighbor’s dog.

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/dog-bite/dog-bite-statistics.html

I was bitten in the face by a dog as a young kid, so I am less trustworthy of dogs in general. They are animals and they do have instincts after all. But this does not justify the police's behavior which shows a clear trigger happy mentality. And I agree AF, training is not the answer (though it could help some). The answer is getting rid of the drug war and the no knock raids that cause so many of these killings.

Expatriate
12-02-2012, 01:37 PM
Have there been any instances of an ordinary citizen shooting someone's dog because he/she felt threatened, and not being arrested or charged?

CaptUSA
12-02-2012, 02:00 PM
I'm not sure fatalities are the only stat to be considered here. Perhaps we can look at the number of dog bite injuries police officers incur. I would think that if the numbers are high enough, then police should be better trained. If they are low enough, then officers should be punished when they use excessive force. Either way, this problem needs to be addressed.

My employees carry a pepper spray for dogs that has proven to be 100% effective. (This wasn't the case with our last pepper spray, but the new product is pretty great!) I would think pulling the pepper spray from their holster should be their first impulse. They shouldn't be pulling their gun at all until they are facing a life-threatening situation.

Perhaps they should monitor how often a police officer pulls his weapon? I'm sure the technology is available. Then, they could get a report of those officers that are a little too quick to pull their weapon.

Ender
12-02-2012, 02:02 PM
2011 Dog Bite Statistics

There were 31 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2011, according to DogsBite.org.
Over half of the attacks occurred to adults ages 21 and older, while 42% occurred to children 11 years and younger. Of the children killed in dog attacks, 68% occurred to children ages 1 and under.
Twelve of the fatal dog attacks involved more than one dog, and two of the attacks involved tethered dogs.
Family dogs made up 65% of the fatal attacks. Nearly three-quarters (74%) of the attacks occurred on the dog owner’s property.
Pit Bulls accounted for 71% of the attacks. However, Pit Bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.
There were more than twice as many adult fatal dog bite victims as child victims in 2011. Still, seven children ages 5 and younger died after being attacked by a Pit Bull.
Seven Pit Bulls killed their primary caretaker or owner.
Rottweilers were the second-most lethal dog breed. Four people were killed by this type of dog in 2011.
Between the years of 2005 and 2011, Pit Bulls killed about one person every 20 days. Rottweilers killed about one person every 88 days.
The states that had the most fatal dog attacks in 2011 were California and Texas. Other states with deaths included North Carolina, Virginia, New Mexico, and South Carolina.
Child Dog Bite Statistics

Of the 4.5+ million people injured annually in dog bites and attacks, children make up 60% of these victims.
Children ages 5-9 are the most commonly injured, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association.
About 30% of children’s dog bites come from family dogs.
About half of children’s dog bites come from a neighbor’s dog.

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/dog-bite/dog-bite-statistics.html

I was bitten in the face by a dog as a young kid, so I am less trustworthy of dogs in general. They are animals and they do have instincts after all. But this does not justify the police's behavior which shows a clear trigger happy mentality. And I agree AF, training is not the answer (though it could help some). The answer is getting rid of the drug war and the no knock raids that cause so many of these killings.

Sorry about your experience but i do think training is definitely needed (as well as getting rid of the WoD).

First of all, dogs like the pit bull, are pack animals. They must know immediately and all through their domesticated life, who the Pack Leader is. If a dog has an established "Leader" in the home, it will learn to obey and to behave. Without that leader, pack dogs become schizophrenic and do not know who to obey; this is when a family member might be attacked during a bit of play.

If a cop knew how to be the Pack Leader, he would have very little trouble with dogs.

Also- most so-called attacks by "pits" turn out to be a dog that looks like a pit.

phill4paul
12-02-2012, 02:31 PM
Sorry about your experience but i do think training is definitely needed (as well as getting rid of the WoD).

First of all, dogs like the pit bull, are pack animals. They must know immediately and all through their domesticated life, who the Pack Leader is. If a dog has an established "Leader" in the home, it will learn to obey and to behave. Without that leader, pack dogs become schizophrenic and do not know who to obey; this is when a family member might be attacked during a bit of play.

If a cop knew how to be the Pack Leader, he would have very little trouble with dogs.

Also- most so-called attacks by "pits" turn out to be a dog that looks like a pit.

QFI. The statistics and public perception is driven by media. I remember how Rottweilers suddenly became Americas "most dangerous dog" after "The Omen" came out in the '70s. Statistics were driven to match the perception. It has in the course of time affected German Shephards ( those damned Nazi killing machines), Dobermans and believe it or not St. Bernhards (blame that one on Cujo).

Agorism
12-02-2012, 03:21 PM
Asian countries eat dogs.

How many times do you think the Asian dogs ate a human?

oyarde
12-02-2012, 04:00 PM
I like dogs better than police, and find them more useful.

PaulConventionWV
12-02-2012, 05:19 PM
Yeah, but why take a chance?