First Order of Business: An Honest Vote. If We Had One Ron Paul Would be President Now

[James_Madison_Lives]

What is the order of priorities for the Ron Paul Revolution to succeed now? I submit that we have already succeeded, and swayed a critical mass of voters to our viewpoint. Our arguments against the NDAA, for restoring the Constitution, for ending the Fed, and other components of our platform have already reached a critical mass of Americans. The fact is, if we had an honest voting system, Ron Paul would be president (http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/glenn-j1.1.1.html) right now.

No matter how much hard work we do, it means nothing if they can simply make voting results say anything they want, as Karl Rove did in Ohio in 2004, as the GOP did in primary after primary in 2012 in which evidence is strong that Ron Paul won. (http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/glenn-j1.1.1.html)

This thread is for the purpose of putting together an inventory of the voting systems in each state, so that we can prepare for victory in the congressional races 2014 and the presidential primaries and general election in 2016. We need to reconcile contradictory information into a repository which we can use to map our way forward. For example, some sources list early critical states like Iowa and New Hampshire as paper ballot states. (http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/) However, these were among the states where electronic vote flipping (http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/Ron-Paul-Won-Early-Primaries-Mathematicians-Find) was evident in the primaries. So do Iowa and NH have paper ballot voting or not?

The beauty of it is that this is an initiative which can cut across party and ideological lines. Only those up to no good could possibly be against this, and so they will be rapidly exposed. The Ron Paul Revolution has triumphed. Now let's get ready to prove it.

[RonPaulMall]

We will have reached a critical mass when we command the support of about 30% of the GOP nationally. We aren't there yet, but we have made huge strides over a very short time. Working to "honest up" the vote is nice and all but promoting the ideas of liberty and winning heats and minds is more important. Remember, most of the shadiness occurs in caucus states where it is easier to cheat, but by the same token, caucus states are also better for us because you only have to win over a much smaller percentage of the electorate. So we have to be careful. Like Dr. Paul points out, Democracy is not our friend. The liberty movement will never command a majority of the support of the American public so any strategy which puts our freedom at the mercy of convincing a majority of our peers to let us have what is ours by right is playing in to our enemies hands. What we need to do is build that critical mass powerful enough to resist.

[LibertyEagle]

We need to focus on other races besides just the one for President.

And I think it's rather delusional to believe that Ron Paul would be president, even if there had been no cheating. We haven't yet won over enough people. Not nearly enough.

[Occam's Banana]

Only those up to no good could possibly be against this, and so they will be rapidly exposed.

In that case, I shall refrain from comment - lest I be exposed as the vote-fixing, Diebold-shilling for-hire troll that I must necessarily be if I have the temerity to disagree with any of this nonsense.

[James_Madison_Lives]

We will have reached a critical mass when we command the support of about 30% of the GOP nationally. We aren't there yet, but we have made huge strides over a very short time. Working to "honest up" the vote is nice and all but promoting the ideas of liberty and winning heats and minds is more important. Remember, most of the shadiness occurs in caucus states where it is easier to cheat, but by the same token, caucus states are also better for us because you only have to win over a much smaller percentage of the electorate. So we have to be careful. Like Dr. Paul points out, Democracy is not our friend. The liberty movement will never command a majority of the support of the American public so any strategy which puts our freedom at the mercy of convincing a majority of our peers to let us have what is ours by right is playing in to our enemies hands. What we need to do is build that critical mass powerful enough to resist.

The critical mass I am talking about is the first stage which allows you to reach the next stage of critical mass. Ron Paul had the early primaries stolen him which would have given wider media coverage of him and his message, and given him momentum. That is exactly what the Powers did not want and exactly why these primaries had to be stolen.

When you are filling up stadiums of young people at UCLA you are a threat. Once a Ron Paul movement explodes out of control there is no stopping it.

[FrankRep]

The mass media is the driving force behind the success of the candidates. The mass media will make you or break you.

[KrokHead]

Mass media will get the same leftist status quo piece of shit (doesn't matter the party) elected like they do every four years.

[69360]

This thread is silly and pointless. Ron Paul did not have the support necessary to become president. Face up to that reality already. Were there some irregularities? Sure there were, but not anywhere near enough to make a difference.

If you are seriously going to start that whole vote flipping stuff again, take yourself to hot topics.

[dinosaur]

I don't know. I'm not ready to say that if Ron Paul had won Iowa, that he still had no chance. And I do strongly suspect that Iowa was stolen.

[Carson]

As long as we allow some to print up what ever amount of money it takes to get their way, they will.

[John F Kennedy III]

We need to focus on other races besides just the one for President.

And I think it's rather delusional to believe that Ron Paul would be president, even if there had been no cheating. We haven't yet won over enough people. Not nearly enough.

Cheating was a factor. But it was the MSM.

[John F Kennedy III]

I don't know. I'm not ready to say that if Ron Paul had won Iowa, that he still had no chance. And I do strongly suspect that Iowa was stolen.

Iowa, Nevada and Maine were stolen. Period.

[Barrex]

What are you going to do about it? Ha? You sissys? What? I did it and will do it again. Yea that is right. You heard me. Go cry over there.

Ha? You aint so tough you aint nothing.

What? Dont make me laugh. You will not do anything. Well you can talk and talk but you aint going to do anything about it. HA HA I did it and I will do it again and you will not stop me.


Now stop bothering me with your useless whining.

[nobody's_hero]

Our biggest challenge is trying to get our limited-government candidates through the GOP primaries. I think it's fucking rediculous that we have to fight the GOP for a chance to get limited-government candidates into office, but once we're over that hump, winning general elections is a no-brainer. That excludes, though, areas where the GOP can't win (like Schiff's run in Connecticut, or John Dennis, who keeps trying for Pelosi's seat).

We need to be exposing the GOP leadership for what they are. They're the biggest obstacles conservatives face in trying to return to Constitutional governance. I suggest a full-scale campaign against Reince Priebus on the grounds that he destroyed the grassroots voice with his rule changes.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

What is the order of priorities for the Ron Paul Revolution to succeed now? I submit that we have already succeeded, and swayed a critical mass of voters to our viewpoint. Our arguments against the NDAA, for restoring the Constitution, for ending the Fed, and other components of our platform have already reached a critical mass of Americans. The fact is, if we had an honest voting system, Ron Paul would be president (http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/glenn-j1.1.1.html) right now.

No matter how much hard work we do, it means nothing if they can simply make voting results say anything they want, as Karl Rove did in Ohio in 2004, as the GOP did in primary after primary in 2012 in which evidence is strong that Ron Paul won. (http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/glenn-j1.1.1.html)

This thread is for the purpose of putting together an inventory of the voting systems in each state, so that we can prepare for victory in the congressional races 2014 and the presidential primaries and general election in 2016. We need to reconcile contradictory information into a repository which we can use to map our way forward. For example, some sources list early critical states like Iowa and New Hampshire as paper ballot states. (http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/) However, these were among the states where electronic vote flipping (http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/Ron-Paul-Won-Early-Primaries-Mathematicians-Find) was evident in the primaries. So do Iowa and NH have paper ballot voting or not?

The beauty of it is that this is an initiative which can cut across party and ideological lines. Only those up to no good could possibly be against this, and so they will be rapidly exposed. The Ron Paul Revolution has triumphed. Now let's get ready to prove it.
Already succeeded? Are you blind man? The whole reason the country was taken over was because everyone thought the country succeeded, keeping peace & prosperity is always an ongoing process.

[TruckinMike]

The mass media is the driving force beside the success of the candidates. The mass media will make you or break you.

And for those of you lurkers out there ---> Especially this group of "establishment" protecting leftists...
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[James_Madison_Lives]

This thread is silly and pointless. Ron Paul did not have the support necessary to become president. Face up to that reality already. Were there some irregularities? Sure there were, but not anywhere near enough to make a difference.

If you are seriously going to start that whole vote flipping stuff again, take yourself to hot topics.

LOL you took the wrong turn at the highway, you are lost. You wanted the left because you are looking for DailyKos. That's where you will find your socialist buddies and Ron Paul ridiculors. Don't miss the burgers at the stand by the gas station, though, awesome! : )

[James_Madison_Lives]

Mass media will get the same leftist status quo piece of shit (doesn't matter the party) elected like they do every four years.

People are seeing through the media. That's why they had to flip votes in the early primaries. Ron Paul dropped out of the primary process because he saw he would never get a fair shake and he could not prove it, so he went to a delegate strategy, which almost worked. This time we have to make sure the primaries are honest, and the way to do it it is to have only paper ballots and surveillance cameras on poll workers and polling stations..

[LibertyEagle]

LOL you took the wrong turn at the highway, you are lost. You wanted the left because you are looking for DailyKos. That's where you will find your socialist buddies and Ron Paul ridiculors. Don't miss the burgers at the stand by the gas station, though, awesome! : )

Uh, no he isn't. What he told you were facts. The fact that you evade them, choosing instead to call him names more than shows your hand.

[realtonygoodwin]

No way would Ron Paul be President right now. Or after the inauguration.

Please step outside the Liberty Bubble, and realize that (unfortunately) Ron Paul did not nearly have the numbers to win the Presidency.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Uh, no he isn't. What he told you were facts. The fact that you evade them, choosing instead to call him names more than shows your hand.

There are plenty of facts, but you will never say you see them. The voting pattern on the bottom of the first set of charts and in Iowa in the second have never before happened in the history of elections.

Ron Paul Won Early Primaries, Mathematicians Find. Election Judge Threatened for Calling Fraud (http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/Ron-Paul-Won-Early-Primaries-Mathematicians-Find)
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Ron Paul Won Early Primaries, Mathematicians Find. Election Judge Threatened for Calling Fraud (http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/Ron-Paul-Won-Early-Primaries-Mathematicians-Find)