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Matt Collins
11-29-2012, 02:36 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/29/republicans-and-taxes/


Over the Thanksgiving weekend, the false congressional fiscal conservatives in the Republican Party began to reveal their true selves. Led by the Republican presidential standard bearer in 2008, Arizona Sen. John McCain, at least a half-dozen Republican members of Congress have renounced their public promises never to vote to raise taxes. In the case of Sen. Bob Corker, (R-Tenn.), Congressman and Senator-elect Jeff Flake, (R-Ariz.), and Rep. Peter King, (R-NY), they had re-stated their promises, directly or indirectly, as recently as last month during their successful campaigns. Did they blatantly dupe the voters? Did they genuinely change their minds? Did they ever sincerely accept the pro-freedom anti-tax logic?






Here is what Reason Magazine has to say about Senator Flake -
http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/22/libertarianish-candidates/2


With endorsements from FreedomWorks, the National Rifle Association, and Citizens Against Government Waste, Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) is considerably more Barry Goldwater than his fellow Arizonan Sen. John McCain (who has also endorsed him). Flake, a five-term congressman, has a 100 percent lifetime rating from Club for Growth and a rating of “Libertarian” (the highest possible ranking), from the Republican Liberty Caucus. Flake spent most of the 1990s heading up the Goldwater Institute, an Arizona free market think tank, before successfully running for Congress in 2000.

Flake is a social conservative on abortion and gay marriage, but he voted to repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and has worked to liberalize immigration laws. He is definitely not a nativist when it comes to national immigration policy. “I have no sympathy for those who are running drugs or doing human smuggling or criminal activity but that’s a very small part of those who are simply coming here to make their lives better,” he says. “I think we ought to make sure we have a legal framework for them to come and work and then return home.”

Flake is strong on taxes and spending, with a 91 percent rating from the National Taxpayers Union. Flake has voted with libertarians on some civil liberties issues, though he is uncomfortable with the libertarian label and does not consider himself one. He has been critical of the PATRIOT Act, particularly the warrantless surveillance aspects, and has offered a variety of amendments to weaken it by requiring the head of the FBI to personally approve requests for library or bookstore records, allowing for recipients of national security letters to consult an attorney and challenge them in court, and putting a stop to judges preventing people from knowing about impending government searches of their homes. Flake has also pushed to end the trade embargo with and ban on travel to Cuba.

The strikes against Flake are serious: his initial votes for the PATRIOT Act, the Iraq War, and the Troubled Assets Relief Program. Still, Flake has the potential to pull the Republican caucus in the U.S. Senate in a more libertarian direction. But only after he faces the toughest challenge of his political career, former U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona.

Arizona may be a red state but it’s also a magnet for people looking to escape heavily regulated and taxed blue states such as California. Carmona, a retired vice admiral in the United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, excites Democrats because of his Hispanic background and his bipartisan appeal as an appointee of George W. Bush. Unlike Flake, Carmona did not face any primary challengers, allowing him to steadily raise money while focusing on the general election. Every poll has shown Flake with a lead, but an ugly Republican primary against Will Cardon, a wealthy businessman, has had an impact on his favorability and has some local Republicans worried.

erowe1
11-29-2012, 02:41 PM
I haven't seen anything about Flake saying he'd vote to raise taxes. And I still can't find anything. Is there a source for that?

tsai3904
11-29-2012, 02:53 PM
I haven't seen anything about Flake saying he'd vote to raise taxes. And I still can't find anything. Is there a source for that?

Flake said he won't sign Grover's pledge as a Senator. That doesn't mean much though because Flake has shown that he wants to cut spending and not raise taxes.

erowe1
11-29-2012, 03:00 PM
Flake said he won't sign Grover's pledge as a Senator. That doesn't mean much though because Flake has shown that he wants to cut spending and not raise taxes.

Not signing a pledge doesn't bother me. If he votes for a tax increase, that will be really disappointing.

AJ Antimony
11-29-2012, 04:28 PM
I haven't seen anything about Flake saying he'd vote to raise taxes. And I still can't find anything. Is there a source for that?

He's said that he's all for eliminating deductions, but I've never heard anything to suggest that he wants to increase the amount of money going to DC. But to be fair, he hasn't made his beliefs on this issue all that clear either. A source for his stance on this deal would be nice.

AJ Antimony
11-29-2012, 04:30 PM
Flake said he won't sign Grover's pledge as a Senator. That doesn't mean much though because Flake has shown that he wants to cut spending and not raise taxes.

Flake's record on the pledge is sort of odd. When he first ran for Congress, he signed the pledge. But this year when he ran for Senate, he didn't sign the pledge. I don't think he's signed it the last few years.

AJ Antimony
11-29-2012, 04:30 PM
Not signing a pledge doesn't bother me. If he votes for a tax increase, that will be really disappointing.

It'll definitely be a first for Flake.

AJ Antimony
11-29-2012, 04:32 PM
By the way, I'm not sure this write up constitutes a "slam" on Flake.

Chester Copperpot
11-29-2012, 04:40 PM
Politicians who break a recent pledge like that should be sued for fraud.

klamath
11-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Reason magazine can go to hell with lying reporting like this.
Flake did NOT vote for TARP.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

Lying libertarian rag.





Here is what Reason Magazine has to say about Senator Flake -
http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/22/libertarianish-candidates/2[/QUOTE]

Matt Collins
11-29-2012, 05:40 PM
Reason magazine can go to hell with lying reporting like this.
Flake did NOT vote for TARP.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

Lying libertarian rag.

Interesting. I emailed the author and editor asking for clarification. I'll let you know what they come back with.

klamath
11-29-2012, 05:45 PM
Interesting. I emailed the author and editor asking for clarification. I'll let you know what they come back with.Had Flake voted for TARP he would have become the next Paul Ryan in my eyes.

tsai3904
11-29-2012, 05:48 PM
Reason magazine can go to hell with lying reporting like this.
Flake did NOT vote for TARP.

They phrased it as his "initial votes for...TARP" sounds like he voted for something procedurally that led to a final vote for TARP but I haven't been able to find anything related to TARP where Flaked voted yes.

They may have confused some votes because TARP was attached to an unrelated bill that passed the House earlier in the year.

klamath
11-29-2012, 05:57 PM
They phrased it as his "initial votes for...TARP" sounds like he voted for something procedurally that led to a final vote for TARP but I haven't been able to find anything related to TARP where Flaked voted yes.

They may have confused some votes because TARP was attached to an unrelated bill that passed the House earlier in the year.
There were two votes for TARP. The first one failed and then a few day later the house approved the Senate version. I posted both rollcall votes. ANY other votes was NOT the TARP vote and for Reason to use the words TARP was intentionally being deceitful.

angelatc
11-29-2012, 05:59 PM
Reason magazine always disappoints. Jeff Flake is a pretty solid fiscal conservative. He's an immigration reformer, which is the GOP's biggest beef with him.

tsai3904
11-29-2012, 06:15 PM
There were two votes for TARP. The first one failed and then a few day later the house approved the Senate version. I posted both rollcall votes. ANY other votes was NOT the TARP vote and for Reason to use the words TARP was intentionally being deceitful.

I understand but the votes you posted are final votes. Many bills have multiple procedural votes before the final vote and Reason may have mistaken a prior procedural vote. I'm not saying Flake in any way voted for TARP though, final or procedural.

surf
11-29-2012, 07:17 PM
Reason magazine can go to hell with lying reporting like this.
Flake did NOT vote for TARP.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml

Lying libertarian rag.





Here is what Reason Magazine has to say about Senator Flake -
http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/22/libertarianish-candidates/2well, i hope they correct this. i'm very disappointed he voted for war and destruction of civil liberties but i hope he's learned.

i'm just hoping the r's push someone on us we can accept and not another bush or rubio brainless neocon (or boehner, ryan, mcconnel, huckabee, frothy, haley, jindal,...)

John F Kennedy III
11-29-2012, 07:23 PM
Flake's record on the pledge is sort of odd. When he first ran for Congress, he signed the pledge. But this year when he ran for Senate, he didn't sign the pledge. I don't think he's signed it the last few years.

Does it really have to be signed multiple times?

Matt Collins
11-29-2012, 07:27 PM
Does it really have to be signed multiple times?

http://www.atr.org/federal-taxpayer-protection-questions-answers-a6204

Do I have to take the Pledge again if I run for re-election?

No. Elected officials who have taken the Pledge make a commitment to taxpayers for the duration of their tenure in the office to which they are elected.

Agorism
11-29-2012, 07:30 PM
http://www.atr.org/federal-taxpayer-protection-questions-answers-a6204

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So he changed offices?

heavenlyboy34
11-29-2012, 07:41 PM
Politicians who break a recent pledge like that should be sued for fraud.
People who believe politicians' promises should be ashamed of themselves. ;)

DylanWaco
11-29-2012, 08:15 PM
This is the most unintentionally hilarious thread here in months.

puppetmaster
11-29-2012, 09:25 PM
closing loop holes is raising taxes. if you used he loop hole.

Matt Collins
11-30-2012, 01:44 PM
From an e-mail:



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Garrett Quinn <garrett.quinn.3000@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Flake and TARP correction?
To: Matt Collins <mattcollinstn@gmail.com>
Cc: Matt Welch <matt.welch@reason.com>


Mr. Collins,

You are correct. Congressman Flake voted against TARP. We will run a correction. Thank you bringing this to my attention.


All the best,


Garrett