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Anti Federalist
11-22-2012, 03:10 PM
Perhaps there is some truth to the "tyranny will fail due to incompetence" statement.

Homeland Security Has Spent $430 Million on Radios Its Employees Don’t Know How to Use

http://www.propublica.org/article/homeland-security-has-spent-430-million-on-radios-its-employees-dont-know-h?google_editors_picks=true



by Theodoric Meyer
ProPublica, Nov. 21, 2012, 3:15 p.m.


Getting the agencies responsible for national security to communicate better was one of the main reasons the Department of Homeland Security was created after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

But according to a recent report from the department’s inspector general, one aspect of this mission remains far from accomplished.

DHS has spent $430 million over the past nine years to provide radios tuned to a common, secure channel to 123,000 employees across the country. Problem is, no one seems to know how to use them.

Only one of 479 DHS employees surveyed by the inspector general’s office was actually able to use the common channel, according to the report. Most of those surveyed — 72 percent — didn’t even know the common channel existed. Another 25 percent knew the channel existed but weren’t able to find it; 3 percent were able to find an older common channel, but not the current one.

The investigators also found that more than half of the radios did not have the settings for the common channel programmed into them. Only 20 percent of radios tested had all the correct settings.

The radios are supposed to help employees of Customs and Border Patrol, the Transportation Security Administration, the Coast Guard, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Secret Service, and other agencies with DHS communicate during crises, as well as normal operations.

DHS officials did not immediately respond to questions from ProPublica about what effect the radio problems could have on how the agency handles an emergency.

The $430 million paid for radio infrastructure and maintenance as well as the actual radios.

In a response letter to the report, Jim H. Crumpacker, the Department of Homeland Security’s liaison between the Government Accountability Office and the inspector general, wrote that DHS had made “significant strides” in improving emergency communications since 2003. But he acknowledged that DHS “has had some challenges in achieving Department-wide interoperable communications goals.”

The recent inspector general’s report is the latest in a string of critical assessments DHS has received on its efforts to improve communication between federal, state and local agencies. The Government Accountability Office reported in 2007 that the Department of Homeland Security had “generally not achieved” this goal.

DHS has assigned a blizzard of offices and committees to oversee its radio effort since 2003, which the inspector general’s report claimed had “hindered DHS’ ability to provide effective oversight.”

Also, none of the entities “had the authority to implement and enforce their recommendations,” the report concluded. Tanya Callender, a spokeswoman for the inspector general, said the current office overseeing the effort hadn’t been given the authority to force agencies to use the common channel or even to provide instructions for programming the radios.

The inspector general recommended DHS standardize its policies regarding radios, which DHS agreed to do. But it rejected a second recommendation that it overhaul the office overseeing the radios to give it more authority.

“DHS believes that it has already established a structure with the necessary authority to ensure” that its various agencies can communicate, Crumpacker wrote in his response letter.

TheTexan
11-22-2012, 03:14 PM
I think we need another government agency, Department of Homeland Radio Instruction

Dr.3D
11-22-2012, 03:14 PM
Just take away their cell phones for awhile and they will learn very quickly how to use those radios.

mad cow
11-22-2012, 03:38 PM
If they gave a radio to every single employee,which I doubt,that would be $3,496 a radio,which anybody familiar with any type of two way radios will tell you is ridiculous.
I suppose that the fact that they are too dumb to figure them out is a small bonus.

AGRP
11-22-2012, 03:44 PM
What goes up, must come down. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Demigod
11-22-2012, 03:45 PM
How is everybody supposed to talk on a single common channel?

Dr.3D
11-22-2012, 03:46 PM
How is everybody supposed to talk on a single common channel?
They don't have to worry about that, only a few know how to use it.

coastie
11-22-2012, 07:47 PM
Related-when I was in the CG(hey it's DHS), they had "coded" radios...that only a very few people were even vaguely familiar with how to use them, or even allowed to use. In other words, like so many other things, if that particular person fell off the boat and was killed-I guess the rest of the crew is fucked.

Should have seen the freak shit show that occurred when one of he guys dropped one in the water in the Gulf off of Pensacola-they actually had divers out that day to recover the radio, because, you know-it was a super secret squirrel radio, god forbid Al-Qaeda finds it...:rolleyes: All for a radio most couldn't even use, and those that were "qualified" to use it, couldn't even use them right half the time.

Drop ANYTHING electrical in the salt water and I guarantee it will never be of use to anyone, especially if it was on when it hit the water.

Government is so damn silly sometimes. Things like this(and my experience working for them) make feel just a teensy bit better about what's to come, bunch of monkeys fucking footballs comes to mind.

Ranger29860
11-22-2012, 08:24 PM
Well to be fair they are probably using a PRC-148 which is the most common radio I know of used for things like this. As an ex radio operator in the army I can tell you these things can be confusing to those who do not know how to use them. Granted they should be able to learn them pretty easily if they were to actually teach them. Also the price of 4k a piece is about right for that radio.

madengr
11-22-2012, 08:24 PM
This probably the push to the APCO25 digital radio standard so everything can be interconnected, school buses to the SWAT team.

Ranger29860
11-22-2012, 08:26 PM
Should have seen the freak shit show that occurred when one of he guys dropped one in the water in the Gulf off of Pensacola-they actually had divers out that day to recover the radio, because, you know-it was a super secret squirrel radio, god forbid Al-Qaeda finds it...:rolleyes: All for a radio most couldn't even use, and those that were "qualified" to use it, couldn't even use them right half the time.



COMSEC is the reason they went after it. That is a HUGE deal to lose one loaded, and you have to destroy or find it or it messes up a lot of people.

Dr.3D
11-22-2012, 08:27 PM
Well to be fair they are probably using a PRC-148 which is the most common radio I know of used for things like this. As an ex radio operator in the army I can tell you these things can be confusing to those who do not know how to use them. Granted they should be able to learn them pretty easily if they were to actually teach them. Also the price of 4k a piece is about right for that radio.
I was thinking more along the lines of a PRC-6809 considering the coding they want to use.

Ranger29860
11-22-2012, 08:29 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of a PRC-6809 considering the coding they want to use.

pretty much the same radio :). Its just the civilian version that is tweaked to not be able to listen in on military radios.

Dr.3D
11-22-2012, 08:32 PM
pretty much the same radio :). Its just the civilian version that is tweaked to not be able to listen in on military radios.
Yeah, but from I understand, the military can communicate with the civilians with it as well.

Ranger29860
11-22-2012, 08:35 PM
Yeah, but from I understand, the military can communicate with the civilians with it as well.

Yeah but that is without using encryption. They can switch from there encryption to no encryption easily with it. But the military version uses a different encryption method to my understanding than the 6809.

Dr.3D
11-22-2012, 08:37 PM
Yeah but that is without using encryption. They can switch from there encryption to no encryption easily with it. But the military version uses a different encryption method to my understanding than the 6809.
Okay, I just thought they might be using Triple DES on the 6809 for both military and civilian (DHS) use.

Ranger29860
11-22-2012, 08:40 PM
Okay, I just thought they might be using Triple DES on the 6809 for both military and civilian (DHS) use.

Naw DES is a civilian encryption the army has a different one (HAVEQUICK). Even then its kinda irrelevant what encryption method is used because I highly doubt the military would give civilians the same FH keys.


But all that said, these radios are pretty daunting to those who have not been trained on them so I can understand why they are having trouble. Hell the Army ordered more than that and most people in the army cant use them outside of us commo guys all that well.

Dr.3D
11-22-2012, 08:43 PM
Naw DES is a civilian encryption the army has a different one (HAVEQUICK). Even then its kinda irrelevant what encryption method is used because I highly doubt the military would give civilians the same FH keys.


But all that said, these radios are pretty daunting to those who have not been trained on them so I can understand why they are having trouble. Hell the Army ordered more than that and most people in the army cant use them outside of us commo guys all that well.
Yeah, thanks... things sure have changed since I was in the Navy back in the 60's. A rig like that used to be a backpack radio. LOL

Here is what we had to contend with.....
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/PRC-latrun-exhibition-1.jpg/547px-PRC-latrun-exhibition-1.jpg

coastie
11-23-2012, 07:13 AM
COMSEC is the reason they went after it. That is a HUGE deal to lose one loaded, and you have to destroy or find it or it messes up a lot of people.

I know, I know...but I assure you that the "enemy" would glean absolutely nothing from those radios, we weren't doing anything even remotely worth it, and the codes were specific to us, and were changed twice a day at least. You also had to code the radio in sync with our bosses sometimes 100's of miles away, this was done over a secure phone line as well, and THEN had to do it to all of the radios being used. Like I said-worthless to anyone.

Well-actually, I guess we were infringing on the rights of normal everyday citizens all day every day, wouldn't want to teach the "enemy" how to ACTUALLY endanger people's freedumbs. Regardless, I can think of only ONE time the damn things even worked-or people could remember how to use them. Nothing super secret going on, either.

tangent4ronpaul
11-25-2012, 01:12 AM
Slightly related gvmt radio FUBAR story. A lab I used to work in had a stack of radios piled in a corner. At one point we had had a Navy contact to shoot um up really good (in specific ways) and then the Navy took them back and figured out how hard it was to repair them. One clause of the contract said we had to keep these spare radios in case the Navy ever wanted a re-test. The thing is that these radios had tubes and the Navy hasn't used them since the Korean war...

And we could NEVER get rid of them...

-t