Poll: Majority of Americans support conquest, mass bombings

[itshappening]

Poll: U.S. support for Israeli action

A majority of Americans believe Israel’s military attack on the Gaza Strip is justified, according to a poll released Monday.

Only a quarter of Americans think the Israeli response to rockets fired at the country’s cities is unwarranted, the CNN/ORC poll found, while 57 percent believe Israel’s response is proper, and 19 percent have no opinion.

Dozens of people in Gaza have died as a result of the attacks, which were launched last week in response to repeated shelling from Islamic militants in the region. The operation, dubbed Pillar of Defense, began with an airstrike that killed Hamas’ chief of operations. Three Israelis have died from rocket fire.

The last time Israel waged a major offensive against Hamas, in January 2009, 63 percent of Americans believed Israel’s actions were justified. In the poll released Monday, 59 percent of Americans sympathized with Israelis, and only 13 percent with the Palestinian people.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84036.html#ixzz2Cgd7IGu7

[dillo]

Why do these same people call me crazy when I propose we invade canada and mexico

[Ronulus]

Only a quarter of Americans think the Israeli response to rockets fired at the country’s cities is unwarranted, the CNN/ORC poll found, while 57 percent believe Israel’s response is proper, and 19 percent have no opinion.

Ummm notice how they didn't mention that Israel fired first by killing Hamas's leader and other civilians with a drone?

[gwax23]

Ummm notice how they didn't mention that Israel fired first by killing Hamas's leader and other civilians with a drone?

Actually it started before then. Palestinian groups launching over 100 rockets at Israeli civilians over a 24-hour period, an attack on an Israeli military patrol jeep within Israeli borders by Gaza militants, and a tunnel explosion caused by IEDs near Israeli soldiers on the Israeli side of the fence.

[The Goat]

Actually it started before then. Palestinian groups launching over 100 rockets at Israeli civilians over a 24-hour period, an attack on an Israeli military patrol jeep within Israeli borders by Gaza militants, and a tunnel explosion caused by IEDs near Israeli soldiers on the Israeli side of the fence.

And to my understanding, the first shot was fired at an 8 year old boy playing football in Gaza. But who really knows anyway, its all he said she said nonsense.

[Acala]

The majority of Americans believe what they are told to believe.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

So what, as long as the US isn't involved. If someone fired rockets into Israel, Israel has the right to defend herself. If Israel is the aggressor, then my opinion changes.

Who fired first? A question that probably doesn't have a simple answer, as both sides are equally to blame.

[libertariantexas]

I don't care much what Israel does, as long as we aren't required to prop them up with our money and the lives of our soldiers.

We need to cut the cord. Let Israel grow up and be free to do it's own thing, but with the caveat that they can't rely on Daddy and Mommy (the USA) to step in and save them when they do something stupid and get in trouble.

[Demigod]

Actually it started before then. Palestinian groups launching over 100 rockets at Israeli civilians over a 24-hour period, an attack on an Israeli military patrol jeep within Israeli borders by Gaza militants, and a tunnel explosion caused by IEDs near Israeli
soldiers on the Israeli side of the fence.

Because the Israelis killed a retarded kid before because he would not fallow orders.

[Brian4Liberty]

And to my understanding, the first shot was fired at an 8 year old boy playing football in Gaza. But who really knows anyway, its all he said she said nonsense.

First there was this:


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — A Gaza Strip man who died early Monday after he was shot by Israeli forces as he approached the border fence with Israel was mentally ill, his family said.

Israeli forces shot 23-year-old Ahmad Nabhani as he crawled toward the border Sunday evening, partially concealed in a dried river bed, an Israeli military spokeswoman said. She said he ignored several warnings to stop. Nabhani later died of his wounds.

"He was sick — he had a mental illness," said Nabhani's brother Hazem, 27. He said his brother was being heavily medicated for depression and had approached the border fence three times previously. Each time, Israeli forces handed him back to Palestinian authorities, his brother said.

"My brother didn't understand anything. Sometimes you'd speak to him and he wouldn't understand. It is like he wasn't there."

Israeli forces frequently fire on people in the border area, because militants often use it to fire rockets at Israeli communities nearby. But occasionally Palestinian children and others who don't understand the dangers wander in.

http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-man-killed-israeli-forces-mentally-ill-151325997.html

Followed by this, three days later:


Israeli gunfire kills Palestinian boy in Gaza clash: medics - Yahoo! News

GAZA (Reuters) - Gunfire from Israeli forces killed a Palestinian boy in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, local medics said, during border clashes between the Israeli military and Palestinian militants.

The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC), a militant group, said its gunmen had confronted an Israeli force of four tanks and a bulldozer involved in a short-range incursion beyond Israel's border fence with the Gaza Strip.

"Terrorists opened fire at IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) soldiers while they were performing routine activity adjacent to the security fence," an Israeli military spokeswoman said in Jerusalem.

An Israeli military official said the soldiers responded by firing at "suspicious locations".

Palestinian medics said the boy, aged 12, was hit by machinegun fire, either from Israeli helicopters or tanks that took part in the incident.

Israeli incursions into the enclave, run by the Islamist Hamas group, are usually aimed at searching for possible tunnels that could be used by militants to sneak into Israeli territory to wage attacks.

The incident broke nearly two weeks of a lull in violence between Gaza gunmen and Israeli forces since the last wave of fighting that killed several militants, mostly from Hamas.
http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-gunfire-kills-palestinian-boy-gaza-clash-medics-163218375.html

[BAllen]

They've been fighting each other over there for thousands of years. Nothing new here. Leave them the hell alone, and let them settle their own affairs.

[juleswin]

They've been fighting each other over there for thousands of years. Nothing new here. Leave them the hell alone, and let them settle their own affairs.

Rubbish, native arabs and jews have been living peacefullt together before the European Jews immigrated. Also this idea that people who call themselves pro life dont care about whats going on in the ME should tell you all you need to know about the pro life movement in the country. I am not with PETA or anything but even I can sympathize with a suffering animal talk less of the mass murder of Innocent people

[Brett85]

Your title should read: Most support Israel's right to defend itself.

[John F Kennedy III]

They've been fighting each other over there for thousands of years. Nothing new here. Leave them the hell alone, and let them settle their own affairs.

No they haven't. It is very new. It started 65 years ago.

[John F Kennedy III]

Your title should read: Most support Israel's right to defend itself.

-neg rep for bullshit propaganda

[juleswin]

Your title should read: Most support Israel's right to defend itself.

I wonder if those same people will support Syrian govt defending themselves against outside invaders. In that answer lies the truth behind their support, because Americans will very likely support the leveling of Alabama if Israel claimed it was defending herself.

[BAllen]

No they haven't. It is very new. It started 65 years ago.

You belive that? Iraq has never been at war with others? Wow. Let's see......I believe there was middle east conflicts in the first world war, was there not? That's about 100 yrs. ago. I'm sure there are others.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Your title should read: Most support Israel's right to defend itself.I read about this one Israeli town that has gotten 8,000 rockets flown into it since 2003 or something like that. Population around 5,000.

The town actually supplies power to Gaza through its power plant, and when Hamas targets the tower they complain that they are without electricity, lol.

edit: link: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2012/November/Living-in-Rocket-Town-In-the-Shadow-of-Gazas-Fury/

[juleswin]

You belive that? Iraq has never been at war with others? Wow. Let's see......I believe there was middle east conflicts in the first world war, was there not? That's about 100 yrs. ago. I'm sure there are others.

Way to move the goal post buddy. You made the claim that jews and arabs have always been fighting with each other in Palestine, and he said that is not true before 1945. Now all you have to do to refute his claim is list the many many wars fought between jews and arabs before say 1940. Google is your friend, now get to it

[BAllen]

Way to move the goal post buddy. You made the claim that jews and arabs have always been fighting with each other in Palestine, and he said that is not true before 1945. Now all you have to do to refute his claim is list the many many wars fought between jews and arabs before say 1940. Google is your friend, now get to it

No, I never said specifically jews, YOU did. I said they. They means the people of the middle east. What difference does it make whether it's Israel, Iran or Iraq?

[Brett85]

-neg rep for bullshit propaganda

-Rep for your non stop Israel hatred.

[Brett85]

I wonder if those same people will support Syrian govt defending themselves against outside invaders. In that answer lies the truth behind their support, because Americans will very likely support the leveling of Alabama if Israel claimed it was defending herself.

I don't support intervening in Syria, but in Syria you have a belligerent government that is massacring their own people. American intervention in Syria would just make that situation worse, but the government of Syria should be condemned for their actions. All the government of Israel is doing is defending their own land and their own citizens from attacks by Hamas.

[Demigod]

The argument Israel has the right to defend it self is really not valid when Israel fights with guns bought with American dollars.You can not give one side in an argument an AK while the other has nothing, then let the side with the AK abuse the other side until she tries to retaliate and in the end call it "a right to self defense".

Every man and child that dies by Israeli bullets is in the eyes of most the world seen as a crime committed by the USA as much as Israel

[Demigod]

I don't support intervening in Syria, but in Syria you have a belligerent government that is massacring their own people. American intervention in Syria would just make that situation worse, but the government of Syria should be condemned for their actions. All the government of Israel is doing is defending their own land and their own citizens from attacks by Hamas.

In Syria you have NATO trying to do a regime change.The rebels have recruiting/training/supply and logistic camps inside Turkish territory which is protected by NATO.Then the rebels attack targets in Syria and escape into Turkey.

Up until 60 years ago this was a clear declaration of war.But Syria can't do anything because of NATO.

And the Israeli government is not defending "their" land it is defending STOLEN land.See the person with the oldest valid Title Deed owns the land.The Palestinians have deeds to their land from the Ottoman Empire,so unless the Israelis can produce Byzantium,Roman,Persian,Egyptian or any other type of valid title deed that predates the ones the Palestinians have from the Ottoman empire that is still their land.

[juleswin]

I don't support intervening in Syria, but in Syria you have a belligerent government that is massacring their own people. American intervention in Syria would just make that situation worse, but the government of Syria should be condemned for their actions. All the government of Israel is doing is defending their own land and their own citizens from attacks by Hamas.

Spoken like a true traditional conservative buying by the truck load the propaganda about Syria from the US govt, do you also believe the story of the incubator story in Kuwait? or the Gaddafi viagra popping army going around to rape innocent Libyan women? I also love that word, belligerent - just what you say to a man unwilling to capitulate to American might. Just say it TC, you do not support the Syrian govt defense of their country because they are arabs.

Btw, I will be defending the Israelis if they were actually defending their country, I unlike some people here consider all humans to be on the same level. Also If you use white phosphorus on a civilian population like Israel did during Operation cast lead, I will speak out against you. Its just the way I roll.

Btw, here is a very nice doc about the Israel assault of the peaceful flotilla boat incident and yea 1 american was killed during the attack.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afBr10f38TI&feature=plcp

[mac_hine]

Your title should read: Most support Israel's right to defend itself.

-rep for not paying attention to what is actually going on there. Shame on you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tupJRSi7M

[juleswin]

I read about this one Israeli town that has gotten 8,000 rockets flown into it since 2003 or something like that. Population around 5,000.

The town actually supplies power to Gaza through its power plant, and when Hamas targets the tower they complain that they are without electricity, lol.

edit: link: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2012/November/Living-in-Rocket-Town-In-the-Shadow-of-Gazas-Fury/

I wonder if they are now supplying electricity to the town after they destroyed their electricity plants? If you dont know what I am talking about, please please watch this one video about Israeli treatment of the Palestinians and maybe you will understand what might lead them to use rockets (more like glorified fire crackers) into their former cities now Israeli cities.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFK5TNcmEmg&feature=plcp

[klamath]

badlink

[John F Kennedy III]

-Rep for your non stop Israel hatred.

No it is not hatred for Israel. You just like to live in a fantasy world.

Explain to me, how does Israel have the right to defend itself?

[Brett85]

Just say it TC, you do not support the Syrian govt defense of their country because they are arabs.

I've never said anything negative about Arabs. I have no problem with people in the Muslim world. The only people saying anything negative about people of a certain ethnicity are those people here who constantly spew hatred towards Israel. It's quite funny that some of the people who post here often criticize Republicans for being "anti Muslim" when a substantial amount of people who post here are clearly anti Jewish.

[Brett85]

Explain to me, how does Israel have the right to defend itself?

The same way that a home owner has the right to defend his property and his family from someone who breaks into his house.

[juleswin]

I've never said anything negative about Arabs. I have no problem with people in the Muslim world. The only people saying anything negative about people of a certain ethnicity are those people here who constantly spew hatred towards Israel. It's quite funny that some of the people who post here often criticize Republicans for being "anti Muslim" when a substantial amount of people who post here are clearly anti Jewish.

How is it that opposing the Israeli treatment of Palestinian is considered hatred of jewish people by anyone? I would like you to watch my the last video that I posted and you can at least see how someone can hold my position without being anti jewish

[mac_hine]

I've never said anything negative about Arabs. I have no problem with people in the Muslim world. The only people saying anything negative about people of a certain ethnicity are those people here who constantly spew hatred towards Israel. It's quite funny that some of the people who post here often criticize Republicans for being "anti Muslim" when a substantial amount of people who post here are clearly anti Jewish.

There is a major difference between being anti Jewish and anti Zionist.

The same say that there is a major difference between being anti American and anti American Government.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QfTkqfMpxb0
You seem to have a difficult time understanding this.

[GunnyFreedom]

-neg rep for bullshit propaganda

If we are going to be honest, then the thread title is misleading. From the thread title I couldn't decide if the poll was about America bombing Iran or Costa Rica. Imagine my disappointment when I came into the thread and saw it was once again about a foreign local wedge issue half a planet away in which America should have no involvement whatever, and the respondents were not asked about American action, but Israel's. His characterization, while an opposite exaggeration from the OP, is technically an order of magnitude more accurate than the OP's because it doesn't insinuate America bombing Costa Rica for the conquest of foreign bank accounts.

[Brett85]

How is it that opposing the Israeli treatment of Palestinian is considered hatred of jewish people by anyone? I would like you to watch my the last video that I posted and you can at least see how someone can hold my position without being anti jewish

Then why can't I oppose the actions of the Syrian government without being "anti Arab?"

[juleswin]

Then why can't I oppose the actions of the Syrian government without being "anti Arab?"

And there you got me, you are right, you could easily be against Syrian defense of her country and at the same time be a staunch supporter of Israeli self defense without being ant arab. I hope you accept my apologies :)

[Brett85]

And there you got me, you are right, you could easily be against Syrian defense of her country and at the same time be a staunch supporter of Israeli self defense without being ant arab. I hope you accept my apologies :)

So Syria is "defending their country" by murdering their own citizens? I can't beat that logic.

[John F Kennedy III]

The same way that a home owner has the right to defend his property and his family from someone who breaks into his house.

How does Israel have the right to defend themselves "The same way that a home owner has the right to defend his property and his family from someone who breaks into his house."?

?

[ghengis86]

If Israel weren't getting billions in military and cash support from the US, I would be less apt to give a shit, even if they are maintaining some rather large Palestinian ghettos. Irony is lost on most it appears.

You always become what you hate.

I wonder what people in America would do if a bunch of Muslim got together and got China to carve out a large chuck if Virgina for them, arm them and give the money and support as they expanded their territorial control while bulldozing the natives homes? Would the natives fight back? Would the rest of America have good feelings towards China?

Oh yeah, the End of Times prophecies must be fulfilled at all costs!

[ghengis86]

How does Israel have the right to defend themselves "The same way that a home owner has the right to defend his property and his family from someone who breaks into his house."?

?

No, the same way a thief comes and kicks you out of your house and then shoots at you while you sit in your tent in your own front lawn. Defending like that.

[Brett85]

No, the same way a thief comes and kicks you out of your house and then shoots at you while you sit in your tent in your own front lawn. Defending like that.

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

[Brett85]

There is a major difference between being anti Jewish and anti Zionist.

The same say that there is a major difference between being anti American and anti American Government.

Then why do so many people here call others "anti Muslim" when they criticize the Syrian government or criticize the Iranian government? Can't you be opposed to these governments without hating the people of these countries? You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to be accused of being "anti Jewish" for criticizing the Israeli government, then you shouldn't label people "anti Muslim" for criticizing governments in Muslim countries.

[ghengis86]

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

Then you'll move back to England without hesitation or protest (or wherever you came from)?

[braane]

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.
Then you support giving your land back to the natives I suppose?

[Brett85]

Then you support giving your land back to the natives I suppose?

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

[ghengis86]

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

So you're moving then?

[Brett85]

So you're moving then?

I guess we should all move since we're all living in stolen land.

[Kodaddy]

Native Americans did not believe in land ownership. In fact, they beloved that they themselves belonged to the land. But that is not really the issue. How far back do we have to go to determine who owned what? That may be the impossible question to answer. However, Israel is currently occupying land that was not ceded to them by the UN declaration (hence, occupied territories). There is a lot of recent history to this conflict that many do not research before making uneducated comments based on misplaced passions.

[RockEnds]

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

Are you familiar at all with AIM? Whether you are or not, this is an excellent video from Russell Means. It's long, but it's worth a watch.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LA-S64QY3o

[klamath]

Native Americans did not believe in land ownership. In fact, they beloved that they themselves belonged to the land. But that is not really the issue. How far back do we have to go to determine who owned what? That may be the impossible question to answer. However, Israel is currently occupying land that was not ceded to them by the UN declaration (hence, occupied territories). There is a lot of recent history to this conflict that many do not research before making uneducated comments based on misplaced passions.
Are you native american? I know Native Americans that DO believe their land was stolen still to this day. They may not have had private onership papers but they did claim hunting ground and territory. The arguement very much applies to America. You cannot standup and declare that that was too far back to matter any more than Israel can stand up and declare a month ago is too far back. There is no written time written, in stone on how long someone has to ocupy a prior peoples land before they can call it theirs. Who is right and who is wrong is the debate for the ages. Holding land has always come down to might makes right.

[Kodaddy]

^^^^That is pretty much what I was trying to say, maybe not so eloquently. We have no idea what land was gained or lost by warring tribes of Native Americans before the Europeans showed up. However, Israel IS currently occupying lands which were not given to them by the UN declaration. And you are correct about "might makes right." the Israelis are occupying lands claimed from the "8 day war, of which they were not the aggressor. Nevertheless, this is a conflict that should be settled by the parties involved, not some outsiders who have their own agenda.

[Joseph de Maistre]

If Mexican terrorists were lobbing bombs into the USA, I would say attack them. However, do we know who these people are, who are suicidally shooting rockets into Israel?

Who would be so stupid? Is it possible they are simply ultra-Zionists bent on reclaiming Gaza? Who knows. I do not support US involvement in this matter though, and I would strongly doubt Israel has the most positive intentions, given their prior actions in the Middle East.

[Demigod]

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

Do they have valid deeds from the Roman empire? Because the Palestinians have valid deeds from the Ottoman empire.


Native Americans did not believe in land ownership. In fact, they beloved that they themselves belonged to the land. But that is not really the issue. How far back do we have to go to determine who owned what? That may be the impossible question to answer. However, Israel is currently occupying land that was not ceded to them by the UN declaration (hence, occupied territories). There is a lot of recent history to this conflict that many do not research before making uneducated comments based on misplaced passions.

In Europe where this kind of problems are very frequent the oldest valid deed for a private property is the legal owner of the property ( when you are chased out of your house you grab 2 things gold and deeds ,the first one to survive the second so that your kids can later come back and get what is theirs ).Most of the Palestinian still keep the deeds to their properties.

[Demigod]

That brings up an interesting point. The people who are complaining about the creation of the nation of Israel in 1948 should also be opposed to the way our country was founded, since the first settlers drove the Indians out of their own land. According to the logic of people here it would be justified if Native Americans started strapping bombs on themselves and started blowing themselves up in major cities. They would be justified since they would simply be protesting the occupation of white people who stole their land.

Yes absolutely ,probably 99% of the world would see their cause as valid and justified.

[gwax23]

The jews bought huge swathes of land Legally during the time of ottoman control and later during the British mandate period. This was land that the majority of jews settled and built new cities such as Tel Aviv. other areas already had a large jewish presences and were older more ancient cities such as Jerusalem Haifa Hebron Safed Tiberia etc etc. The remained of the land was acquired after defeating several larger arab states that invaded in the 48 war of Independence.

Israel has no interest in gaza. It doesnt want Gaza, Doesnt Need Gaza, Doesnt care about Gaza. It only wants the missiles to stop firing. What country wouldnt?

[robert68]

Yes absolutely ,probably 99% of the world would see their cause as valid and justified.

More like .99 %

[BAllen]

^^^^That is pretty much what I was trying to say, maybe not so eloquently. We have no idea what land was gained or lost by warring tribes of Native Americans before the Europeans showed up. However, Israel IS currently occupying lands which were not given to them by the UN declaration. And you are correct about "might makes right." the Israelis are occupying lands claimed from the "8 day war, of which they were not the aggressor. Nevertheless, this is a conflict that should be settled by the parties involved, not some outsiders who have their own agenda.

Right! Kennewick man (white) is hundreds of years older than any american indian remains. So the question is how far do you want to go back? And, you are correct in that it is none of our business.

[Peace&Freedom]

The jews bought huge swathes of land Legally during the time of ottoman control and later during the British mandate period. This was land that the majority of jews settled and built new cities such as Tel Aviv. other areas already had a large jewish presences and were older more ancient cities such as Jerusalem Haifa Hebron Safed Tiberia etc etc. The remained of the land was acquired after defeating several larger arab states that invaded in the 48 war of Independence.

Israel has no interest in gaza. It doesnt want Gaza, Doesnt Need Gaza, Doesnt care about Gaza. It only wants the missiles to stop firing. What country wouldnt?

What perfect disinfo! The UN offered official recognition of a zone for Jewish settlers, which when added to all the land Jews had bought still did not give it ownership of the majority of modern Israel. Zionists seized territories far beyond the UN sanctioned and already owned land in the late '40's, which is what led to the Arab retaliatory invasion. From then to now, all Israeli aggression is called "self defense," while all Arab-Muslim response gets called "terrorism."

Arabs there have been losing more land illegally ever since, most recently through the always-developing Jewish settlements. They are currently fighting or negotiating to retain a territory that is a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the Oslo accords, which is a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the 6 day war, which is a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the UN partition of Israel and Palestine in 1948, which is only a fraction of the area that they had at the time of the Balfour declaration, and so on. To this day Israel declines to define its borders, which the Arabs take to mean they recognize NO Palestinian borders, aka no sovereign right for Palestine to exist, or to defend itself.

Palestinians are being terrorized by IDF bombings, drone strikes and blockades in order to encourage them to relocate to Jordan or Eygpt. If Israel wants the bombs to stop, they should stop their bombings that started the current round of violence.

[robert68]

For there to begin to be a comparison between the present Palestinian situation and that of the Native Americans, there would have to presently be 400 plus million Native Americans living in and outside the US, the vast majority living in refugee camps or under US military occupation, and the remaining having 2nd class US citizenship and very restricted movement.

Then the US settler colony state would have to be to be dependent on massive Chinese military and financial support for both itself and friendly regimes ruling Mexico and Canada. Since in fact there are only 2 million living Native Americans, all having full US citizenship, the comparison is standard zionist nonsense intended to excuse Israel's horrid 60 plus year long barbaric treatment of the Palestinians.

[klamath]

For there to begin to be a comparison between the present Palestinian situation and that of the Native Americans, there would have to presently be 400 plus million Native Americans living in and outside the US, the vast majority living in refugee camps or under US military occupation, and the remaining having 2nd class US citizenship and very restricted movement.

Then the US settler colony state would have to be to be dependent on massive Chinese military and financial support for both itself and friendly regimes ruling Mexico and Canada. Since in fact there are only 2 million living Native Americans, all having full US citizenship, the comparison is standard zionist nonsense intended to excuse Israel's horrid 60 plus year long barbaric treatment of the Palestinians.
Obviously you haven't read much US history. Maybe you oaught to read about the trail of tears. Maybe you oaught to research that the indians involved actually tried to be American citizens and took their claims the the supreme court and won. But the peoples man Jackson ignored the supreme court and sent the federal army to march them a thousand miles to what was considered useless land. Our occupation of the indians terratory was every last bit as ugly as the Israeli occupation.

[John F Kennedy III]

No, the same way a thief comes and kicks you out of your house and then shoots at you while you sit in your tent in your own front lawn. Defending like that.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ghengis86 again.

[John F Kennedy III]

The Jewish people owned the land in Israel originally and then were driven out by the Romans around 70AD. They now have the land back that they owned originally, before they were driven out of their own land.

So do you support resetting ALL territories on EARTH back to the boundaries and owners they had in 70AD?

Please tell me you're at least consistent.

[John F Kennedy III]

I guess we should all move since we're all living in stolen land.

So you're not going to answer his question?

[John F Kennedy III]

^^^^That is pretty much what I was trying to say, maybe not so eloquently. We have no idea what land was gained or lost by warring tribes of Native Americans before the Europeans showed up. However, Israel IS currently occupying lands which were not given to them by the UN declaration. And you are correct about "might makes right." the Israelis are occupying lands claimed from the "8 day war, of which they were not the aggressor. Nevertheless, this is a conflict that should be settled by the parties involved, not some outsiders who have their own agenda.

The same UN declaration that made Israel a state also made Palestine a state.

[John F Kennedy III]

The same way that a home owner has the right to defend his property and his family from someone who breaks into his house.

How does Israel have the right to defend themselves "The same way that a home owner has the right to defend his property and his family from someone who breaks into his house."?

?

[gerryb1]

Your title should read: Most support Israel's right to defend itself.

How did a bunch of land thieves come to have a country, but the natives don't?

[Demigod]

How did a bunch of land thieves come to have a country, but the natives don't?

You can not go from country to country trough history and in the end claim to have a native country.

[dillo]

If I invade your house, and proclaim it as my own, then kill you am I defending my property?

[robert68]

Obviously you haven't read much US history. Maybe you oaught to read about the trail of tears. Maybe you oaught to research that the indians involved actually tried to be American citizens and took their claims the the supreme court and won. But the peoples man Jackson ignored the supreme court and sent the federal army to march them a thousand miles to what was considered useless land. Our occupation of the indians terratory was every last bit as ugly as the Israeli occupation.

I’m quite aware of that indefensible behavior on the part of the US almost 200 years ago, but the population density of Native Americans in the US then was far less than that of the Palestinians in Palestine in 1947; and the N.A. population has been around 2 million for over 100 years. The population of Palestinians is 9 million plus, and historic Palestine is around the size of New Hampshire, 100 times smaller than the US mainland.

[coastie]

Let's see here, according to wikipedia(I know, I know), 61 whole Israelis have been killed by rocket/mortar attacks(combined) since 2001. How many Palestinians have been killed in that time by Israel using (US supplied) bullets/bombs/mortars and missiles?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel


Your neighbor fires at you with suped-up bottle rockets that RARELY land anywhere but in open fields and olive groves, you respond with a billion dollars worth of tanks, missiles and smart bombs. Seems fair to me. :rolleyes:

[klamath]

I’m quite aware of that indefensible behavior on the part of the US almost 200 years ago, but the population density of Native Americans in the US then was far less than that of the Palestinians in Palestine in 1947; and the N.A. population has been around 2 million for over 100 years. The population of Palestinians is 9 million plus, and historic Palestine is around the size of New Hampshire, 100 times smaller than the US mainland.
What the H*ll does population density have to do with it? There is probably 7 million in Hongkong in 380 square miles, so does that make it ok for them to take over Palestine?

[BucksforPaul]

If I invade your house, and proclaim it as my own, then kill you am I defending my property?

Yes, according to the Zio-NAZIs a big fucking kill the children and rape the women yes. But you have to remember that according to these evil Luciferian fuck tards history begins when and where they say so. And I love it how these Euro-Mites and their army of brain dead parrots cry antisemitism at the first criticism of their beloved murderers despite ignoring the fact that Palestinians are also Semitic people which is quite different from being a Khazarian AshkeNAZI.

[robert68]

What the H*ll does population density have to do with it? There is probably 7 million in Hongkong in 380 square miles, so does that make it ok for them to take over Palestine?

Are the inhabitants of Hong Kong refugees of historic Palestine?