A CIVIL WAR IS COMING.!!!

[tangent4ronpaul]

The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and
said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. On Wednesday Obama took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States.
The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for U.S. citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the U.S. State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the U.S. Government signs these international treaties, all U.S. citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. It will never happen.! The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd. Amendment before U.S. citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the U.S. to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth.? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress.We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the U.S. has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the U.S. has signed a treaty that requires U.S. citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.
Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. Straight into socialism if Obama has his way... We are being led like a lamb
to the slaughter, (Socialism/Dictatorship).

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[Anti Federalist]

Pffftt...Civil War, yeah right.

Look around you, these are the people that wouldn't stand up for their rights when it cost nothing, you think they are gonna move when the state threatens to kill them?

Shit, they'd barbecue their firstborn child on the front lawn if the "authorities" told them to.

When the time comes to collect the guns, 99% will look down at their shoes and hand them over, probably thanking the nice SWAT officers as they do so.

The other 1 percent will be stamped out and vigorously crushed for the racist, reactionary, counter-revolutionary, homophobic, terrorist troglodytes that they are (so will say the government/media/surveillance complex), turned in to authorities by their own neighbors, family and friends.

[Mach]

A resolution before the U.N. General Assembly is sponsored by seven nations including major arms exporter Britain. It calls for preparatory meetings in 2010 and 2011 for a conference to negotiate a treaty in 2012.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

Have they negotiated this year?

[Occam's Banana]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -

I very seriously doubt this came out of Reuters. In fact, I'll eat my keyboard if it did ...

[LibertyEagle]

Tangent, the OP seems like a mixture of a Reuters article and another person's comments. This (http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015)Reuters's article has the beginning text.

Where did you find what you posted? It doesn't seem like it was from Reuter's.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Tangent, the OP seems like a mixture of a Reuters article and another person's comments. This (http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015)Reuters's article has the beginning text.

Where did you find what you posted? It doesn't seem like it was from Reuter's.

fwd via e-mail

-t

[Carehn]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/14161_556835737663110_1143759910_n.jpg
this pic is worth a thousand words. Lets ask them to please leave us alone. lol

Pffftt...Civil War, yeah right.

Look around you, these are the people that wouldn't stand up for their rights when it cost nothing, you think they are gonna move when the state threatens to kill them?

Shit, they'd barbecue their firstborn child on the front lawn if the "authorities" told them to.

When the time comes to collect the guns, 99% will look down at their shoes and hand them over, probably thanking the nice SWAT officers as they do so.

The other 1 percent will be stamped out and vigorously crushed for the racist, reactionary, counter-revolutionary, homophobic, terrorist troglodytes that they are (so will say the government/media/surveillance complex), turned in to authorities by their own neighbors, family and friends.

[LibertyEagle]

fwd via e-mail

-t

Well, they took a lot of literary license. Very little of that came from Reuters.

[phill4paul]

Pffftt...Civil War, yeah right.

Look around you, these are the people that wouldn't stand up for their rights when it cost nothing, you think they are gonna move when the state threatens to kill them?

Shit, they'd barbecue their firstborn child on the front lawn if the "authorities" told them to.

When the time comes to collect the guns, 99% will look down at their shoes and hand them over, probably thanking the nice SWAT officers as they do so.

The other 1 percent will be stamped out and vigorously crushed for the racist, reactionary, counter-revolutionary, homophobic, terrorist troglodytes that they are (so will say the government/media/surveillance complex), turned in to authorities by their own neighbors, family and friends.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vApPwWqh8

[alucard13mmfmj]

People are too "patriotic" to be in a civil war or even secede.

[Czolgosz]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/14161_556835737663110_1143759910_n.jpg
this pic is worth a thousand words. Lets ask them to please leave us alone. lol


lmao. Accurate.

[Czolgosz]

Government is predictable, simply invoke them in a proper fashion and the 3% will be created.

[QuickZ06]

The other 1 percent

So I am a 1%? Sweet!

[Anti Federalist]

So I am a 1%? Sweet!

See ya on the other side my brother...

[John F Kennedy III]

People are too "patriotic" to be in a civil war or even secede.

People are too "patriotic" to nullify. Hell, most are too "patriotic" to even know what nullify means.

[CaptainAmerica]

Good luck to the poor bastard that attempts it.

[oyarde]

It would be strange , it would be a war between the producers and the takers , but except the govt , the takers are not armed .......

[tod evans]

The other 1 percent will be stamped out and vigorously crushed for the racist, reactionary, counter-revolutionary, homophobic, terrorist troglodytes that they are .

And damn proud of it!

[UWDude]

When the time comes to collect the guns, 99% will look down at their shoes and hand them over, probably thanking the nice SWAT officers as they do so.


Then they'll go online and write an angry screed about how they can't wait to vote Republican in two years.

[The Goat]

The Katrina gun confiscations let them know how most people would react. I wonder how many have been taken in the aftermath of Sandy. I know there wasn't any reporting of the Katrina ones for a while.

[paulbot24]

People are too "patriotic" to nullify. Hell, most are too "patriotic" to even know what nullify means.

This is so true it makes my head spin. Or maybe it's the vodka.....Very well put. Judge Napolitano would second this statement.

[devil21]

I can't imagine what "Event" could be created that would get 45 million gun owners to give up their guns at the mere request of gov't. Some will, sure, but there's gonna be a lot of collateral damage in trying to seize guns that most won't stand for. Who wants gun fights in their neighborhood??? These elites can sign all the papers they want and "proclaim it to be law of the land" but it's worthless if they can't force anyone to do anything when the rubber meets the road. I don't have such a negative attitude as most of the posters on this thread. I think any real attempt to physically seize guns en masse in this country would be met with a backlash (and a force multiplier of the internet and other instant communications) that would end that idea in a hurry.

[LibertyEagle]

If it ever happens, I think it will be done with foreign troops.

[John F Kennedy III]

If it ever happens, I think it will be done with foreign troops.

Most likely. Depends how many "patriots" they can get.

[John F Kennedy III]

I can't imagine what "Event" could be created that would get 45 million gun owners to give up their guns at the mere request of gov't. Some will, sure, but there's gonna be a lot of collateral damage in trying to seize guns that most won't stand for. Who wants gun fights in their neighborhood??? These elites can sign all the papers they want and "proclaim it to be law of the land" but it's worthless if they can't force anyone to do anything when the rubber meets the road. I don't have such a negative attitude as most of the posters on this thread. I think any real attempt to physically seize guns en masse in this country would be met with a backlash (and a force multiplier of the internet and other instant communications) that would end that idea in a hurry.

I see what you're saying. But on the opposite side we have the majority of the population obeying Mother Government no matter how stupid the order is. People tend to not bite the hand that feeds. Not many boat rockers out there. I'm not so sure them 'Merica loving rednecks won't give up their guns if American troops walk down their streets and into their homes. No I think it's down to us, the more serious militias and gang members.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Then they'll go online and write an angry screed about how they can't wait to vote Republican in two years.

Win

[carclinic]

More Americans would revolt if they took away facebook than their guns.

[truelies]

People are too "patriotic" to nullify. Hell, most are too "patriotic" to even know what nullify means.

Then perhaps YOU should try to educate them in your own community rather than spend time bloviating about how hopeless things are on a messageboard

[paulbot24]

Then perhaps YOU should try to educate them in your own community rather than spend time bloviating about how hopeless things are on a messageboard

"Bloviate"? Why don't you pull your nose out of your thesaurus and do something useful rather than spewing opprobrium in here. Does this mean I should go back to researching and not bloviate at you for your ignorant remarks? I could ask my wife who has a doctorate in Educational Leadership but I'd rather hear your "expert" opinion. Educate yourself on who not to flame.

[presence]

I'm really good with a drywall knife if anyone needs a place to stash their cache, send PM.

[ClydeCoulter]

Any treaty that violated the Constitution would be un-constitutional. I know, they can ignore it (as they do) and tell people it means it's the law of the land, but that would be another lie. A treaty is only contitutional and valid when within the powers granted.

[paulbot24]

Thank god Obama still needs Senate approval for treaties and can't just Executive Order them on in. On second thought, maybe I shouldn't have said that.....

[NoOneButPaul]

Banning guns would be the last straw for many millions of people... I think it's an event that could trigger serious militia movements and so on... I could see some states actually consider leaving.

They'd never do this unless they wanted a civil war.

"From my cold dead hands"

People take that literally... I know I do.

[Meatwasp]

And damn proud of it!
You tell em kiddo.

[tod evans]

You tell em kiddo.

We're of the same generation..:o

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Pffftt...Civil War, yeah right.

Look around you, these are the people that wouldn't stand up for their rights when it cost nothing, you think they are gonna move when the state threatens to kill them?

Shit, they'd barbecue their firstborn child on the front lawn if the "authorities" told them to.

When the time comes to collect the guns, 99% will look down at their shoes and hand them over, probably thanking the nice SWAT officers as they do so.

The other 1 percent will be stamped out and vigorously crushed for the racist, reactionary, counter-revolutionary, homophobic, terrorist troglodytes that they are (so will say the government/media/surveillance complex), turned in to authorities by their own neighbors, family and friends.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef017c337d9ffc970b-800wi

[pcosmar]

TOO LATE.

We already have socialism.. Have had for Decades,,
Started around the turn of the last century and was fully entrenched by 1930s.

Obama/Rmoney are irrelevant.

[tod evans]

TOO LATE.

We already have socialism.. Have had for Decades,,
Started around the turn of the last century and was fully entrenched by 1930s.

Obama/Rmoney are irrelevant.


But, but, it was only a little socialism...:rolleyes:

[chudrockz]

I'm really good with a drywall knife if anyone needs a place to stash their cache, send PM.

I'd take you up on that, but have no need. Here in the Land of 10,000 Lakes, tragic firearms losses due to unforseeable boating accidents are all-too-common. Why, just last month fishing on Lake Superior, my entire arsenal was lost when a rogue wave capsized my Blu Fin. I'm still in mourning.

[osan]

It would be strange , it would be a war between the producers and the takers , but except the govt , the takers are not armed .......

Generally true. Good point. However, the gov't makes up for the rest.

[Aeroneous]

I'd take you up on that, but have no need. Here in the Land of 10,000 Lakes, tragic firearms losses due to unforseeable boating accidents are all-too-common. Why, just last month fishing on Lake Superior, my entire arsenal was lost when a rogue wave capsized my Blu Fin. I'm still in mourning.

That truly is tragic. Obviously, you need to resupply your inventory and then take the new supplies for a nice jaunt around Superior as well.

"Your stocks are dangerously depleted, Dmitri."

[osan]

It would be strange , it would be a war between the producers and the takers , but except the govt , the takers are not armed .......

Generally true. Good point. However, the gov't makes up for the rest.

[osan]

The Katrina gun confiscations let them know how most people would react. I wonder how many have been taken in the aftermath of Sandy. I know there wasn't any reporting of the Katrina ones for a while.

Probably next to none because there are next to none in NJ and NY.

[puppetmaster]

I can't imagine what "Event" could be created that would get 45 million gun owners to give up their guns at the mere request of gov't. Some will, sure, but there's gonna be a lot of collateral damage in trying to seize guns that most won't stand for. Who wants gun fights in their neighborhood??? These elites can sign all the papers they want and "proclaim it to be law of the land" but it's worthless if they can't force anyone to do anything when the rubber meets the road. I don't have such a negative attitude as most of the posters on this thread. I think any real attempt to physically seize guns en masse in this country would be met with a backlash (and a force multiplier of the internet and other instant communications) that would end that idea in a hurry. starvation...food for guns...

[ClydeCoulter]

To the states: Confiscate your subjects guns or we withhold seed from your famers, since GMO terminator genes don't allow them to save seed for next year.

[devil21]

starvation...food for guns...

That would require a whole lot of other things to happen, not just the signing of a treaty and a proclamation by the feds. Maybe a real dollar crash that grinds commerce to a halt but that's about it. At that point, guns are just one thing to worry about and I would doubt if there's mass starvation in the streets that gun owners would give up their only protection against the hordes of starving people.


To the states: Confiscate your subjects guns or we withhold seed from your famers, since GMO terminator genes don't allow them to save seed for next year.

Something like that really would be the start of a civil war. The writing would be on the wall that gov't wants to kill you. Also, I can't see Monsanto purposely destroying their own company by withholding their products at gov't request.

[awake]

Pffftt...Civil War, yeah right.

Look around you, these are the people that wouldn't stand up for their rights when it cost nothing, you think they are gonna move when the state threatens to kill them?

Shit, they'd barbecue their firstborn child on the front lawn if the "authorities" told them to.

When the time comes to collect the guns, 99% will look down at their shoes and hand them over, probably thanking the nice SWAT officers as they do so.

The other 1 percent will be stamped out and vigorously crushed for the racist, reactionary, counter-revolutionary, homophobic, terrorist troglodytes that they are (so will say the government/media/surveillance complex), turned in to authorities by their own neighbors, family and friends.


I fear you're right...The slave mindset allows for the most atrocious tyrannies. The Soviets and National Socialists gained great strength because of this exact docile weakness of the masses. For the rest, they either clicked their heals and saluted in a nervous sweat, or were purged.

I do see glimmers of hope in Greece. The government is raising taxes and cutting government outlays, even though they don't know that raising taxes will probably get them less "revenue". This leaves them cutting government. The unions are the ones filling the streets to burn and threaten, not the average Joe trying to keep a productive job - he has no time, he has to work.

Its a sort of poetic justice: the benefactors and believers in government are getting their promises revoked, it remains to be seen If the government privileged will try direct violence instead of their trusty state middleman.

Golden Dawn, a neo Nazi political gang, is rising in popularity based on the economic chaos, this is a little unsettling, but outrage has its outlets wherever it can find it. The outrage calls for the dictator to fight the outside enemy...

[AFPVet]

Treaties still have to be ratified by Congress. If this does get ratified, then we could have a serious problem.

[Occam's Banana]

Treaties still have to be ratified by Congress. If this does get ratified, then we could have a serious problem.

Wars have to be declared by Congress, too ...

[tod evans]

Wars have to be declared by Congress, too ...

That's working very well, isn't it?

[Occam's Banana]

That's working very well, isn't it?

Like a charm ...

[AFPVet]

Well, they haven't been doing these beta-tests for nothing....

[Captain Shays]

Pffftt...Civil War, yeah right.

Look around you, these are the people that wouldn't stand up for their rights when it cost nothing, you think they are gonna move when the state threatens to kill them?

Shit, they'd barbecue their firstborn child on the front lawn if the "authorities" told them to.

When the time comes to collect the guns, 99% will look down at their shoes and hand them over, probably thanking the nice SWAT officers as they do so.

The other 1 percent will be stamped out and vigorously crushed for the racist, reactionary, counter-revolutionary, homophobic, terrorist troglodytes that they are (so will say the government/media/surveillance complex), turned in to authorities by their own neighbors, family and friends.

I get repramanded for saying this around here, but, there is no other answer. We need to start making plans on how we can get enough people in one place at the same time to put up a resistence. Hopefully, there will be enough cops, and military who still believe in freedom, and, our Constitution that the will refuse to obey those orders. We'll need them on our side if things ever get that bad. And I might get banned for all this or you may delte my post but it needs to be said. Make whatever plans you need to make with the assumption that ALL means of electronic communications will be shut down and no one will be able to contat each other if that happens. If you don't have man y others with you, you might as well look down at your toes and hand your gun over. Or, you could die for liberty. If you do, the media will say that you were a terrorist. Your choice.

[Captain Shays]

The Katrina gun confiscations let them know how most people would react. I wonder how many have been taken in the aftermath of Sandy. I know there wasn't any reporting of the Katrina ones for a while.
This is New Jersey and New York we're talking about. The guns have already been taken away.

[BAllen]

This is New Jersey and New York we're talking about. The guns have already been taken away.

Except for the criminals, of course. They still have theirs.

[BAllen]

I get repramanded for saying this around here, but, there is no other answer. We need to start making plans on how we can get enough people in one place at the same time to put up a resistence. Hopefully, there will be enough cops, and military who still believe in freedom, and, our Constitution that the will refuse to obey those orders. We'll need them on our side if things ever get that bad. And I might get banned for all this or you may delte my post but it needs to be said. Make whatever plans you need to make with the assumption that ALL means of electronic communications will be shut down and no one will be able to contat each other if that happens. If you don't have man y others with you, you might as well look down at your toes and hand your gun over. Or, you could die for liberty. If you do, the media will say that you were a terrorist. Your choice.

The military hates obummer, so there could be a coup to overthrow him. And, there is this group called Oath Keepers:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

[juleswin]

Wars have to be declared by Congress, too ...

Hehe, the constitution is nothing more that "No Guns Allowed" signs to congress. They see it but they just interpret it differently.

[Feeding the Abscess]

The military hates obummer, so there could be a coup to overthrow him. And, there is this group called Oath Keepers:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Might want to check the vote breakdown and donation breakdown between Obama and Romney before saying the military hates Obama.

[Captain Shays]

The military hates obummer, so there could be a coup to overthrow him. And, there is this group called Oath Keepers:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
I get their stuff. Thank God for oath keepers. There really needs to be a plan ahead of time to make sure everyone knows what to do when all communications are shut down.

[Anti Federalist]

Might want to check the vote breakdown and donation breakdown between Obama and Romney before saying the military hates Obama.

Heh, yeah, no kidding.

[Captain Shays]

I also should ad that if you're going to make plans to hook up with other like minded patriots DO NOT USE EMAIL OR ANY OTHER ELECTRONIC MEANS. ALL of it is read by the government.

[osan]

I get their stuff. Thank God for oath keepers. There really needs to be a plan ahead of time to make sure everyone knows what to do when all communications are shut down.


The military hates obummer, so there could be a coup to overthrow him. And, there is this group called Oath Keepers:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Some of the military hates him, to be sure. How much? Another question entirely. Enough to prevent total loss of the nation as we know it? Questionable.

[TruckinMike]

People are too "patriotic" to be in a civil war or even secede.Yea, thanks to our good friend Francis Bellamy & co.

[opal]

if an angry mob is what's needed.. cut off welfare and obama phones.. poof

[jbauer]

Oh come on guys. The friking Japanese didn't want to invade the USA mainland because "we" had to many guns. Ownership of guns isn't going to change. There is way to much tax dollars coming in from purchase and use of guns in this country. I don't deny that there have been some BS laws passed in some places but there is a near 0 chance that gun ownership is outright banned regardless of who's president.

Now ownership of bullets? That might be a different story.

[truelies]

......................... Educate yourself on who not to flame.

You weren,t flamed you were told the Truth, sonny.

[Origanalist]

I'm really good with a drywall knife if anyone needs a place to stash their cache, send PM.

How good? :)