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A_Silent_Majority_Member
11-13-2012, 09:42 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html


In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

From the We the People site:

The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."




the bolded part gets on my nerves...:rolleyes: ...

Matt Collins
11-13-2012, 10:05 AM
Regarding the secession petitions floating around I have 2 thoughts about this -

1- Fundamentally WHY would you ask permission or petition the Feds to secede? That's silly, you don't ask them permission, you just do it. Rights don't require petitions or permission.

2- More practically, why would you want your name on a list at WhiteHouse.gov so that Obama and the Feds can know everyone's name who wants to "subvert" the US government?!

Please people, let's try and think this through a bit more.

ShaneEnochs
11-13-2012, 10:08 AM
the bolded part gets on my nerves...:rolleyes: ...

Why? I thought it was clever, while also true.

A_Silent_Majority_Member
11-13-2012, 02:10 PM
gets on my nerves because it perpetuates the notion that the states are subserviant to the big fed when is supposed to be more the other way around.;) i agree with collins on this issue.

Danke
11-13-2012, 02:30 PM
Regarding the secession petitions floating around I have 2 thoughts about this -

1- Fundamentally WHY would you ask permission or petition the Feds to secede? That's silly, you don't ask them permission, you just do it. Rights don't require petitions or permission.

2- More practically, why would you want your name on a list at WhiteHouse.gov so that Obama and the Feds can know everyone's name who wants to "subvert" the US government?!

Please people, let's try and think this through a bit more.

I did. I signed you up.

RonPaulMall
11-13-2012, 03:43 PM
Regarding the secession petitions floating around I have 2 thoughts about this -

1- Fundamentally WHY would you ask permission or petition the Feds to secede? That's silly, you don't ask them permission, you just do it. Rights don't require petitions or permission.

2- More practically, why would you want your name on a list at WhiteHouse.gov so that Obama and the Feds can know everyone's name who wants to "subvert" the US government?!

Please people, let's try and think this through a bit more.

1. The point is not "asking permission". The point is to demonstrate the widespread popular support for secession. This is particularly important given the dismissive attitude the MSM pays to the whole idea. Before we can change policy, we need to change perception. The only real argument against secession is the media's constant refrain that it is "crazy". Get a million people from a single state to sign that thing and the media has to change their tune. Probably to something like, "everyone from "insert state here" is crazy", but that would still constitute a huge improvement. Using the White House petition website to send the message is for the delicious irony of it, not because we expect the White House to grant our wishes (indeed, in the entire history of that stupid petition website, the President hasn't addressed even a single issue that was brought to his attention).

2. I wouldn't want my name on the White House website. That is why I used a pseudonym.

Matt Collins
11-13-2012, 10:08 PM
Before we can change policy, we need to change perception.That is a fallacy and is patently untrue. You just need to be able to mobilize the right amount of people at the right time on the right issue; I've done it, and I've seen it work.