Should it be "Rand Paul 2016" or "Lamar Smith is a Commie" on my 8x44 billboard? IDEAS?

[TruckinMike]

Ok folks, Specsaregood's thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395206-50-dollar-gig-for-starving-rpf-artist-to-design-a-fun-logo-graphic-for-me.&p=4731026#post4731026) inspired me to get off my butt and get this done. As many of you know I built an 8'x44' trailer mounted billboard in support of Sheriff Mack for congress --> in an attempt at ousting Lamar Smith. Right now that billboard is vacant and in need of a serious message for liberty.

As much as I despise collectivism now is the time that I need it most -- I'm asking for your input. NEVER let a billboard go to waste. Right? So come one, come all, with your ideas on what should be done with this billboard for the next two or four years.

Should it be "Rand Paul 2016" or "Lamar Smith is a Commie"? OR......

Note: The message needs to be short --- but powerful. The traffic flow in front of my house moves at around 55mph. The traffic comes over a hill and BAM they will see a billboard their face -- but only for a brief moment. Design accordingly.

TMike

http://imageshack.us/a/img528/2653/signinbackyard.jpg

[PatriotOne]

Rand Paul 2016

[Jeremy]

Rand

[TruckinMike]

Just to be clear --- IT can be anything. "Rand Paul 2016" or "Lamar Smith is a Commie" are just two of the infinite possibilities.

TMike

[angelatc]

Rand Paul 2016

[jbauer]

Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies

Rand Paul 2016

[Aeroneous]

My vote is Rand.

[trey4sports]

Rand Paul 2016

[VegasPatriot]

Great job with this idea TMike… +rep.

I do like the idea of a Rand Paul 2016 billboard but I suggest you place a message that people can get involved with right now.

My suggestion is place an Oath Keepers message on your billboard. If you are interested, I may be able to help you (through Oath Keepers) with some of the costs of the billboard. Follow this link to see some ideas Oath Keepers have come up with. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/billboard/


Of course you may design your own OK message… Maybe something as simple as the “Oath Keepers Tab” logo with some simple verbiage like “Honor your Oath”. If interested please let me know.

[FrankRep]

Rand Paul 2016

[TruckinMike]

Great job with this idea TMike… +rep.

I do like the idea of a Rand Paul 2016 billboard but I suggest you place a message that people can get involved with right now.

My suggestion is place an Oath Keepers message on your billboard. If you are interested, I may be able to help you (through Oath Keepers) with some of the costs of the billboard. Follow this link to see some ideas Oath Keepers have come up with. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/billboard/


Of course you may design your own OK message… Maybe something as simple as the “Oath Keepers Tab” logo with some simple verbiage like “Honor your Oath”. If interested please let me know.

All ideas are entertained. The goal is to have the most beneficial freedom bang for the buck. I would really like a discussion/debate to ensue once we get a few ideas going.

Why "Oathkeepers" over "Rand Paul 2016"?ETC...

I'll make some arguments for you...


tyranny IS upon us - we may not have 4 more years.(Is this true? It might be.)
No matter who the president may be - Oath taking government employees need to keep their oaths
An Oath keeper's billboard has a HERE and NOW benefit to it - where a Rand Paul 2016 promotion does not.
Out of sight, out of mind - In your sight, IN your mind. -->Do your government employees even think about their oaths? Maybe they would now.



Let the games begin...


TMike

[libertariantexas]

You should go with Rand, because you'll never get rid of Lamar Smith until he dies or chooses to leave, he's Gerrymandered into a job for life.

[NoOneButPaul]

Always we go positive.

We should set ta new trend by not going negative. It will contribute to the idea this isn't politics as usual. No need to push other people down, we just need to bring our people up.

[TruckinMike]

Always we go positive.

We should set ta new trend by not going negative. It will contribute to the idea this isn't politics as usual. No need to push other people down, we just need to bring our people up.

Understand. But, Lamar Smith really is a statist marxist scum -- had to say it.:)

So far the only thing folks want besides oathkeepers is "Rand Paul 2012". Do you also lean that way? Is that really the best option we can come up with? Not saying its bad, I just thought I would be inundated with creative ideas -- Maybe the obvious is the obvious. LoL! I just didn't want to get fixated on an idea and have it turn out to be a bad or mediocre one. Thus I brought it here to RPF.

...need more input

TMike

[Odin]

Rand Paul 2016 imo.

[Dystopian]

Ron Paul 2016

[IndianaPolitico]

Rand Paul 2016 for the win!

[TruckinMike]

Ron Paul 2016

FINALLY! Some else opposed to Rand Paul. If you could now just poke your finger in the eye of all those "Randy's" and tell them why his Dad would be better - I'm up for a debate.:D LoL!

...or was that just a typo and you really meant Rand Paul?

TMike

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Maybe Rand is too early to be putting out.

How about something Federal Reserve related, which will lead them to the Pauls?

[TruckinMike]

Still thinking...

But I thought this would keep you busy for a while:):
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8204/8186377986_e45968c5e8_c.jpg




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[robskicks]

average person has no clue who lamar smith is,,.... neither do i

[sailingaway]

Where are you located? Before 2016 comes 2014. I don't know if you are in an area where Tom Davis for Senate - defeat Lindsay Graham would be helpful. But it is a great contribution, whatever you end up deciding.

[presence]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/46/a5/tsa_10.jpg
** RAND PAUL 2016 **

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Where are you located? Before 2016 comes 2014. I don't know if you are in an area where Tom Davis for Senate - defeat Lindsay Graham would be helpful. But it is a great contribution, whatever you end up deciding.He is in Lamar Smith's district in Texas.

[TXcarlosTX]

Rand Paul 2016

[TruckinMike]

Sailingaway

Where are you located? Before 2016 comes 2014. I don't know if you are in an area where Tom Davis for Senate - defeat Lindsay Graham would be helpful. But it is a great contribution, whatever you end up deciding.

I'm in LAMAR SMITH's district ---- But like a previous poster said -- his seat is sealed. Gerrymandered his ass a life position. Not to mention that even my tea Party is ga-ga over his marxist/fascist ways. They love him. I hate him. I'm just trying to get a head start. I haven't made my decision yet --- but before you leave this thread what is your opinion?

Who or What organization or what great quotes or philosophies like the "non-aggression principle" , ETC ---> will do the most good for freedom. Thats the point of my billboard. Could I be educating folks for 2 years on voluntaryism, then put the Rand banner up in 2014? This is my dilemma. It would cost me 2x more money unless I made a chip-in.

[sailingaway]

I'm in LAMAR SMITH's district ---- But like a previous poster said -- his seat is sealed. Gerrymandered his ass a life position. Not to mention that even my tea Party is ga-ga over his marxist/fascist ways. They love him. I hate him. I'm just trying to get a head start. I haven't made my decision yet --- but before you leave this thread what is your opinion?

Who or What organization or what great quotes or philosophies like the "non-aggression principle" , ETC ---> will do the most good for freedom. Thats the point of my billboard. Could I be educating folks for 2 years on voluntaryism, then put the Rand banner up in 2014? This is my dilemma. It would cost me 2x more money unless I made a chip-in.

Well, Ron just gave a powerful speech today, to my mind, and if I had a truck billboard I'd probably take a quote from that, or something else he said which powerfully speaks to me, rather than a billboard four years in advance of a campaign. But that would be MY billboard, not your billboard. And were it Ron running in 2016, I'd probably not mind it being four years in advance, so it comes back to being YOUR billboard...

[presence]

Ron just gave a powerful speech today

from that speech you might want to consider the connotations of:



Why are there not more individuals who seek to intellectually influence others to bring about positive changes
than those who seek power to force others to obey their commands?

in reference to the usage of $ to buy billboard space.

How might you use the billboard to enlighten; to intellectually draw people to the liberty movement?

[Eric21ND]

I remember your mobile signs from 2007 Mike. Gage took a beautiful picture of Rand that is billboard worthy. Passersby could connect a face with a name.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/561389_334708569933597_1053830370_n.jpg

[Okie RP fan]

And what if Rand does something to piss us off between now and 2016?

[TruckinMike]

from that speech you might want to consider the connotations of:



in reference to the usage of $ to buy billboard space.

How might you use the billboard to enlighten; to intellectually draw people to the liberty movement?

Good question. Thats what I was hoping the forum would be discussing. I have thought of many ideas - From founding father quotes to Ron Paul quotes to everything in between. And From Oath Keepers to Campaign for liberty. And of course Rand Paul. I'm leaning towards putting an educational message for the first two years, then Rand Paul 2016 for the last. It'll cost more but I'll deal with that then.





I remember your mobile signs from 2007 Mike. Gage took a beautiful picture of Rand that is billboard worthy. Passersby could connect a face with a name.


fixed it - In a fast, but not so good way...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8483/8187173838_dc317fccf4_b.jpg

Yes I agree, my first draft had a picture . I couldn't make it look right. I just made those to garner attention. To add a picture I will have to redesign the colors to make it work --- not to mention a that I need a better pic. That Gage pic does look good.

[presence]

The #1 responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow. This is of greater importance than working on changing the government; that is secondary to promoting a virtuous society. If we can achieve this, then the government will change.

also from that speech

[libertariantexas]

average person has no clue who lamar smith is,,.... neither do i

Consider yourself lucky.

I used to live in his district and once ran against him for Congress. He is a perfect example of a corrupt Neocon who has been in office too long.

[JVParkour]

How about something like "Both parties lie" or something like that?

[TruckinMike]

Still brainstorming...How about a Rand Paul liberty quote that inspires folks to think about individual freedoms? This way we are killing two birds with one stone.


Promoting Rand Paul
Promoting the ideas of liberty


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8478/8187837357_a2bb6db9c3_c.jpg

[presence]

keep the right side, replace the left with a ben franklin portrait. Add, liberty/security quote.

[TruckinMike]

keep the right side, replace the left with a ben franklin portrait. Add, liberty/security quote.

Like this...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8189108556_2ef70e70b8_c.jpg


Anybody else want a stab at it? What is the most influential and most effective founder quote that supports liberty action?

edit fixed pic

[belian78]

IMO the Oathkeepers idea is where I'd put my vote. From everything I've read about them, it seems like a great organization, and one that needs exposure. Every ex military I talk to in my store gets a mention of the OK'rs and they all seem very interested in checking them out, so just imagine the exposure they'd get from a moving billboard. :D When it gets closer to upcoming primary season, then the Rand idea would be a better idea, it's just too soon for that to have the impact you'd want it to have.

[presence]

Like this...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8189108556_2ef70e70b8_c.jpg




Very nice. At the very least someone needs to snatch that for bumper stickers.

I might go white and all caps on the "RAND PAUL 2016"; might show up better. Or redRAND whitePAUL blue2016.


Perhaps that makes a great "format". Using a format might broaden horizons a bit.

sorry bad structure to follow, stream of thought:

Break up the situation into 3 sections 8x8 28x8 and 8x8.
you keep rand on the right and change the lettering and the portrait on the left.
Then all you're really changing is a much smaller (8x8) banner on the left.
The lettering you can just black out with paint and order new (relatively cheap) white vinyl lettering;
you could go total crafty cheap and make lettering stencils. http://www.stencilplanet.com/customletteringstencils.aspx
That might give you the budget to change it more often.
The 28 x 8 could be the side of the rig painted black, two cheap 10x15 painting canvases from home depot painted black, 7 sheets of cdx plywood, etc.
Also, you are reducing your color printing to 2 8x8's on each end of the rig with 28 feet of blank banner with text.
Keeping with the double ended 8x8 banner concept with 28x8 of cheap editable space in the middle might allow for a quick change up for Lamar.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136410.html)
Thomas Jefferson

(http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136410.html)All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136431.html)
Thomas Jefferson (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff136431.html)

Government has no other end, but the preservation of property. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnlocke383067.html)
John Locke

(http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnlocke383067.html)That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.
[T]he individual is not accountable to society for his actions, in so far as these concern the interests of no person but himself.
John Stewart Mill
(http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnlocke383067.html)

[TruckinMike]

IMO the Oathkeepers idea is where I'd put my vote. From everything I've read about them, it seems like a great organization, and one that needs exposure. Every ex military I talk to in my store gets a mention of the OK'rs and they all seem very interested in checking them out, so just imagine the exposure they'd get from a moving billboard. :D When it gets closer to upcoming primary season, then the Rand idea would be a better idea, it's just too soon for that to have the impact you'd want it to have.

This billboard will not be driven around -- its capable of that - but too expensive unless there is a rally in town etc. This billboard is double sided but as it sits on my property only one side has good visibility. Otherwise an OK's sign would be a no brainer for me. --> However, I do have a barn roof. I'll give that a thought or two.

[Bern]

RP 2016

[TruckinMike]

Jefferson...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8337/8189294202_514ec4b659_c.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8204/8188234925_b437521147_c.jpg

Henry...
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Sam Adams...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8202/8189430130_87f80037f2_c.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8485/8188429095_fb21fc19fb_c.jpg


The compromise (hey that doesn't look so bad...ha ha, But I'm only kidding:D)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8189554810_e3e3f54b2d_c.jpg

[presence]

woot!

[VegasPatriot]

I just spoke with Stewart (founder of OK) and he said Oath Keepers will pay for the cost of this billboard if you decide to go with it...

If not, I like the Jefferson/Rand Paul idea.

[dinosaur]

I like the idea of advertising Rand right away for two reasons. First, because it would be good for people to research him on their own, before the media can tell them how to think. And second, the wake of the Obama election is a good time to come out with a bandwagon of hope for people to jump on. I think that it would be good for the words Rand Paul 2016 to be there in addition to, or instead of, the picture.

btw: The truck billboard is great. Thank you for what you are doing.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I just spoke with Stewart (founder of OK) and he said Oath Keepers will pay for the cost of this billboard if you decide to go with it...

If not, I like the Jefferson/Rand Paul idea.

OathKeepers would be GREAT!

I personally believe it would be odd to the people reading the billboards to promote Rand Paul now, but promoting things that will lead people to Rand Paul is what we should do. Oathkeepers billboard would accomplish that and more.

Of course, Sheriff Mack lives in the area so I am sure he would love the Oathkeepers billboard. He is one of the main ones.

[presence]

The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnadams169381.html)
John Adams (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/john_adams.html)

The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/samueladam136363.html)
Samuel Adams (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/samuel_adams.html)


Liberty is not the power of doing what we like, but the right to do what we ought. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/lordacton409910.html)
Lord Acton (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/lord_acton.html)


The liberty of the individual is no gift of civilization. It was greatest before there was any civilization. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/s/sigmundfre151785.html)
Sigmund Freud (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/sigmund_freud.html)



Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/georgewash118444.html)
George Washington (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_washington.html)




When liberty becomes license, dictatorship is near. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/willdurant378681.html)
Will Durant (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/will_durant.html)


There is a certain enthusiasm in liberty, that makes human nature rise above itself, in acts of bravery and heroism. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alexanderh391019.html)
Alexander Hamilton
(http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/alexander_hamilton.html)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/lordacton388616.html)
Lord Acton (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/lord_acton.html)

[TruckinMike]

I have decided to not go with Rand Paul until 2014 --- For the next two years it will some form of liberty message.

TMike

[itshappening]

Post a picture please Mike when you decide, we love seeing them

[georgiaboy]

I like the Samuel Adams quotes.

[TruckinMike]

It will be similar to this -- but maybe with "Patriot Act" instead. The oath Keepers use the NDAA line (on their billboards) because it directly effects arresting LEO's and military personnel.

I haven't heard from vegaspatriot just yet, but I think the oath keepers will "ok" it. Ha Ha. -- I thought that going with Oath Keepers adds credibility to the billboard, not to mention that it may get MY local leo's thinking.

As for Rand, I will start promoting him in November of 2014. Until then it'll be good 'ol Ben Franklin.:)

TMike

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8193954708_f35283a7f4_b.jpg

[presence]

So how are you going to do it? 8x8 full color on ben... then black paint and vinyl on the rest? Or full color across?

[ctiger2]

Refer to politicians you don't like as Nazi's every chance you get. They hate it.

[TruckinMike]

So how are you going to do it? 8x8 full color on ben... then black paint and vinyl on the rest? Or full color across?

full color 360 dpi on an 8x44 foot 13 oz. banner. Which reminds me. I'm going to create a thread that has the printer web address and info. For this banner delivered its only $348.48 -- Ink good for 2 years -- for UV ink (5 years) its $120 extra for that size banner. http://www.echodgraphics.com/Banners/Billboard/3.aspx

They will make pretty much any size that you want. They also print on canvas, large vinyl adhesive backed, etc... However they ARE NOT graphics designers. They can do a few things with text etc. But they are set up for you to submit your own artwork.

Their order page is real simple:


Enter size
Quantity
Hem style -(From menu) -including grommet option
UV Ink option
Artwork file type and submission
comments
shipping options
total price



Pass it on for freedoms sake!

[TruckinMike]

Refer to politicians you don't like as Nazi's every chance you get. They hate it.

I made this just for you...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8194924546_5d28c38ac2_c.jpg

[pacelli]

how about a monthly national debt clock?

[TruckinMike]

how about a monthly national debt clock? Do you mean for an applet/widgit? Or a banner that some one could change the numbers on ? Whats on your mind?

[pacelli]

Do you mean for an applet/widgit? Or a banner that some one could change the numbers on ? Whats on your mind?

It would be a pretty big project but here's what was on my mind: I was thinking a banner that someone could change the numbers on.

If people are going to be looking at this sign frequently over the course of the next couple years, they'll get used to noticing changes. By making little changes you reinforce their behavior of looking at the banner, and in a way, trusting its message.

You can steer their opinion in a particular direction over the course of time. A national debt clock would give some base that is changing, and will be noticed. Hell, it is totally independent of political parties. Some one could even change the numbers right after a particular news story hits about wasteful government spending.

Then roll it up and put out the masterpiece banner... lets just hope that Rand has well developed plan for the economy by 2016 (kinda like Ron's!).

[ronpaulhawaii]

I like where this is going :)


It will be similar to this -- but maybe with "Patriot Act" instead. The oath Keepers use the NDAA line (on their billboards) because it directly effects arresting LEO's and military personnel.

I haven't heard from vegaspatriot just yet, but I think the oath keepers will "ok" it. Ha Ha. -- I thought that going with Oath Keepers adds credibility to the billboard, not to mention that it may get MY local leo's thinking.

As for Rand, I will start promoting him in November of 2014. Until then it'll be good 'ol Ben Franklin.:)

TMike

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8193954708_f35283a7f4_b.jpg

[TruckinMike]

It would be a pretty big project but here's what was on my mind: I was thinking a banner that someone could change the numbers on.

If people are going to be looking at this sign frequently over the course of the next couple years, they'll get used to noticing changes. By making little changes you reinforce their behavior of looking at the banner, and in a way, trusting its message.

You can steer their opinion in a particular direction over the course of time. A national debt clock would give some base that is changing, and will be noticed. Hell, it is totally independent of political parties. Some one could even change the numbers right after a particular news story hits about wasteful government spending.

Then roll it up and put out the masterpiece banner... lets just hope that Rand has well developed plan for the economy by 2016 (kinda like Ron's!).

I can see that. Order two banners one with a blank digital clock face with some wording , the other banner is filled with numbers that are to be cut out and velcro'ed to the clock face. Easy. Yep, that would work.:)


lets just hope that Rand has well developed plan for the economy by 2016 (kinda like Ron's!) Yep.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8479/8196286067_dc63a52d0f_c.jpg

$130 for both banners (1) 3x12 clock & (1) 3x6 -->room for up to 24 numbers to cut out

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8341/8197489726_445966f84c_c.jpg

[SneakyFrenchSpy]

How much do you guys think it would cost to setup a giant digital debt clock? You wouldn't have to update it and it's more powerful when you see the count spinning.

[TruckinMike]

How much do you guys think it would cost to setup a giant digital debt clock? You wouldn't have to update it and it's morepowerful when you see the count spinning.If I were going to make a giant display I would use leds and a parallax prototyping microcontroller board and multiple shift registers to run the giant homemade 7 segment led digits. It could be done - BUT with lots of effort - I would say less than $500 if you had the skills and time. After all that you would still need to interface with a data stream from the internet.( or just fudge it and simply make it count upwards at the proper rate)

Note: Arduinos are more powerful but I've never programmed them -- so if you are learning from scratch going with Arduino is not a bad direction, Not to mention they have lots of youtube how-to's. Just a thought.

But I'm not gonna do it.:D

However, I was thinking of a way to make the manual debt clock cheaper . Buy a blank black banner and get vinyl letters cut out by your local vinyl guy for the "national debt clock" and "$" text ( or cut out yourself for really cheap)-- Then order the numbers printed in that bright red glow digital text that I found. Cut out, sew on velcro, and you are done for less than $100.
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And the more I think about it - the more I like pacelli's debt clock banner strategy --- I guess he hasn't been following the thread to chime back in. Where did you go Pac man?

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TMike

[FindLiberty]

Arduino(s) and LEDs

You beat me to it. YES! EZ

Selecting LED count/resolution would depend on viewing distance, time to read message and quality desired. Check out competition then DIY or buy their technology. It will need an alarm system to detect theft or tampering if it's on the ground!

Bright for day, dim at night. It still needs AC power though, solar/battery power source is possible, but that would be very large/costly.

[TruckinMike]

NEWS UPDATE:

If Rand succeeds in inserting the sixth amendment into the NDAA finance bill (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?395852-Rand-holds-up-NDAA-FY13-bill-wants-vote-on-indefinite-detention-amendment) should I change the billboard --- My biggest beef w/ the NDAA was indefinite dentition of Americans citizens w/out trial. . ..but...I don't want people driving by thinking that Rand solved the problem , Thus making the point to my "NDAA is TREASON"banner obsolete in their minds.

Thoughts...

[TruckinMike]

You beat me to it. YES! EZ

Selecting LED count/resolution would depend on viewing distance, time to read message and quality desired. Check out competition then DIY or buy their technology. It will need an alarm system to detect theft or tampering if it's on the ground!

Bright for day, dim at night. It still needs AC power though, solar/battery power source is possible, but that would be very large/costly.

As for dim control - I would simply control the voltage with one I/O(via one modulated high current transistor). Easy fix.Better think about that some more.. ha ha --- And Harbour freight has a 45 watt panel for $200 I think. Then All you need would be 1 deep cycle battery. ($70+) I still stand with my less than $500 total. This would be a great project for someone that has a basic understanding of electronics --->especially if they know how to utilize Arduino or parallax microcomputers/controllers.

[presence]

Optoma Universal Projector Ceiling Mount

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[presence]

anyone know how to post a debt clock image on a forum?

[ronpaulhawaii]

Optoma Universal Projector Ceiling Mount

4.6 out of 5 stars (http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-Universal-Projector-Ceiling-Mount/product-reviews/B002C9EDDW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1) See all reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-Universal-Projector-Ceiling-Mount/product-reviews/B002C9EDDW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1)(5 customer reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-Universal-Projector-Ceiling-Mount/product-reviews/B002C9EDDW/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1))



List Price:
$159.00


Price:
$122.45





http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-Universal-Projector-Ceiling-Mount/dp/B002C9EDDW/ref=sr_1_95?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353344315&sr=1-95&keywords=projector

I have an Optoma projector ceiling mounted in my cave. Is a very light projector and I used a cct camera mount. The one I used is multi configuarable (I needed to mount on the t-bars of a drop ceiling)

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/MG-ELECTRONICS-CMB-1B-/82-11335

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/content/productimages/s4/82-11335_3.jpg

$5.49 + shipping

[TruckinMike]

Optoma Universal Projector Ceiling Mount...


I have an Optoma projector ceiling mounted in my cave. Is a very light projector and I used a cct camera mount. The one I used is multi configuarable (I needed to mount on the t-bars of a drop ceiling)



Are they robust enough to run for a few hours every night? Bulb cost,etc... Sounds good though. It sure would solve a lot of problems and garner a lot of attention. Video, stills, slides, etc -- awesome idea!

Nightly Garage door billboards! No permit required!

[ronpaulhawaii]

Are they robust enough to run for a few hours every night? Bulb cost,etc... Sounds good though. It sure would solve a lot of problems and garner a lot of attention. Video, stills, slides, etc -- awesome idea!

Nightly Garage door billboards! No permit required!

I wouldn't use it for the side of the trailer. The small projectors are generally 1k (lumens) At that kind of size it will be dim. I've been doing guerrilla video billboards for work lately and we mount 2 12k projectors in the back of a box truck...

Also, lamp cost on these type units can be a factor. You get a couple thousand hours from a lamp (used correctly; improper shut downs drastically affect lamp life). There are new LED projectors coming out where the lamp life exceeds the product life but that is kinda neither here no there. It is lumens you will need for large surfaces.

Using a projector for a "garage door" video billboard seems much more doable. I'd still look to get as many lumens as you can afford...

Remember in '07 when the AZ crew made those rooftop lighted billboards? I think they used christmas tree lights and a controller. Could that work for the trailer debt clock?

[ninepointfive]

Go with a positive message. Rand Paul 2016.

[TruckinMike]

Using a projector for a "garage door" video billboard seems much more doable. I'd still look to get as many lumens as you can afford...

Remember in '07 when the AZ crew made those rooftop lighted billboards? I think they used christmas tree lights and a controller. Could that work for the trailer debt clock?

The reason I mentioned garage door was because I remember people getting in trouble with their cities for too many signs or too big of a sign. I was thinking that this would be great for them. --Not to mention guerrilla tactics like yours (awesome!).

Question: Do you think its possible to project on a piece of fine see-through material and have it show up on the other side. If so I was thinking that the projector could be mounted on the inside of the garage then simply reverse the image and it would play correct on the opposite side. This way your projector is not exposed to the elements.

For my trailer I'm just going to print a banner. I don't know if I will even make the debt clock(maybe the vinyl one), I just liked the idea that pacelli had and was hashing it out for others.





Go with a positive message. Rand Paul 2016. After reading the others opinions - I have come to the conclusion that it may be better to educate without a politicians name attached to the education materials. I want people to start thinking for themselves, they just need to be nudged a little - and without the attachment of a politicians name. I think the founders quotes are positive, at least for lost/sleeping conservatives. After two years of thinking they'll be ready for Rand.

[ninepointfive]

After reading the others opinions - I have come to the conclusion that it may be better to educate without a politicians name attached to the education materials. I want people to start thinking for themselves, they just need to be nudged a little - and without the attachment of a politicians name. I think the founders quotes are positive, at least for lost/sleeping conservatives. After two years of thinking they'll be ready for Rand.

That's a good idea

[presence]

I wouldn't use it for the side of the trailer. The small projectors are generally 1k (lumens) At that kind of size it will be dim. I've been doing guerrilla video billboards for work lately and we mount 2 12k projectors in the back of a box truck...


It might still be enough for a smaller debt clock on (or near) the trailer; just not main piece.

[presence]

Question: Do you think its possible to project on a piece of fine see-through material and have it show up on the other side. If so I was thinking that the projector could be mounted on the inside of the garage then simply reverse the image and it would play correct on the opposite side. This way your projector is not exposed to the elements.


I have used it several times with varying degrees of success. Through repeated used I think it produces the best image when rear projected onto a stretched surface of Visqueen which is framed, which eliminates wrinkles.

http://theatreface.ning.com/forum/topics/visqueen-as-projection-material?commentId=2529492%3AComment%3A161776

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[Mahkato]

Please invest a few $$ in getting a professional designer to do this.

[presence]

Please invest a few $$ in getting a professional designer to do this.

www.fiverr.com will kick it all day for cheap... but you don't like what he has going?

[Texan4Life]

awesome ideas truckinmike. (nice rig too :D)

My vote is for oath keepers or the debt clock. Then use it for a local 2014 election (if they are any candidates you like). than after 2014 come back around to the rand idea.

[pacelli]

If I were going to make a giant display I would use leds and a parallax prototyping microcontroller board and multiple shift registers to run the giant homemade 7 segment led digits. It could be done - BUT with lots of effort - I would say less than $500 if you had the skills and time. After all that you would still need to interface with a data stream from the internet.( or just fudge it and simply make it count upwards at the proper rate)

Note: Arduinos are more powerful but I've never programmed them -- so if you are learning from scratch going with Arduino is not a bad direction, Not to mention they have lots of youtube how-to's. Just a thought.

But I'm not gonna do it.:D

However, I was thinking of a way to make the manual debt clock cheaper . Buy a blank black banner and get vinyl letters cut out by your local vinyl guy for the "national debt clock" and "$" text ( or cut out yourself for really cheap)-- Then order the numbers printed in that bright red glow digital text that I found. Cut out, sew on velcro, and you are done for less than $100.
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And the more I think about it - the more I like pacelli's debt clock banner strategy --- I guess he hasn't been following the thread to chime back in. Where did you go Pac man?

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TMike

Sorry! I absolutely have been following. Just been busy with work and other preparations to chime in. I like where things are going. My motivation in suggesting it is to mentally condition people over time to be focused on the location and the message. I am not sure about the details of the idea, but if it is one that you think is worthwhile, I am encouraging you to go the route where you can update regardless of power, for the lowest cost possible. The impact of the message will still be the same.

pacelli

[TruckinMike]

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