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S.Shorland
11-13-2012, 03:52 AM
Might make a nice meme over posters of people with icicles hanging from their noses or groups of homeless or whatever.
donnay
11-13-2012, 09:22 AM
FEMA and Homeland Security are not set up to rescue people, they were set up to control people!
Remember Katrina?
The only legitimate function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens. In New Orleans, however, it was clear that the primary job of the military, FEMA, and Homeland Security was, not to protect citizens, but to protect the government and keep it functioning. It can be argued that, if government does not protect itself first, it may not be able to protect its citizens, so that should be its first obligation. However, the government was not in danger in New Orleans. Aside from one or two snipers, its forces were never under attack, and its ability to function was never threatened; so the self-preservation argument is not valid in this case.
It was clear from the start that the goal of FEMA and Homeland Security was, not to resue people, but to control them. Their directive was to relocate families and businesses, confiscate property, commandeer goods, direct labor and services, and establish martial law. This is what they have been trained to do. The reason they failed to carry out an effective rescue operation is that this was not their primary mission, and the reason they blocked others from doing so is that any operations not controlled by the central authority are contrary to their directives. Their objective was to bring the entire area under the control of the federal government - and this they succeeded in doing very well.
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=FEMA_Katrina
LibertyEagle
11-13-2012, 09:24 AM
Does anyone know of a reputable site that has good stats for how incompetent FEMA is vs. how disasters used to be handled before FEMA?
Natural Citizen
11-13-2012, 09:28 AM
We need to stop turning serious problems into memes. Is why the issues aren't taken seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgcuw2RaO0&list=PL55hQ9ietGo13FbSnh0LXhZdJncrqEqgf&index=8&feature=plcp
I do like the idea that maybe we can maybe thwart some of these disasters.
donnay
11-13-2012, 10:01 AM
Does anyone know of a reputable site that has good stats for how incompetent FEMA is vs. how disasters used to be handled before FEMA?
FEMA has only been around since 1979. Again, many people think they are useless when a disaster strikes (of which they are). However, for government, they are doing a superb job--because they were set up to protect government not the citizens. It's called Continuity of Government (COG).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency#Criticism
SilenceDewgooder
11-13-2012, 01:51 PM
I saw a segment on the news of people holding up nicely printed signs in large groups referring to the area as a 3rd world country. All I could think about is that someone chose to ship in those signs instead of supplies and instead of people trying to help themselves, they decided to just wait for the government to save them. Dependency - The Ultimate Tool of Control
LibertyEagle
11-13-2012, 02:07 PM
FEMA has only been around since 1979. Again, many people think they are useless when a disaster strikes (of which they are). However, for government, they are doing a superb job--because they were set up to protect government not the citizens. It's called Continuity of Government (COG).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency#Criticism
Seriously, Donnay, I know all about the COG crap. I'm just looking for hard numbers for a debate.
donnay
11-13-2012, 04:42 PM
Seriously, Donnay, I know all about the COG crap. I'm just looking for hard numbers for a debate.
No numbers per se.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/2474:part-one-fema-and-disaster--a-look-at-what-worked-and-what-didnt-from-a-fema-insider
http://truth-out.org/news/item/2513:part-two-fema-and-disaster-a-look-at-what-worked-and-what-didnt-from-a-fema-insider-1993--2000
donnay
11-13-2012, 04:58 PM
Newspaper: FEMA orders residents to stop giving out supplies after Hurricane Sandy — It was great until they stepped in, says local woman
Latest word from FEMA to Island: Stop
Shelter Island Reporter
Nov 13, 2012
Televised and published pictures plus personal appeals of Hurricane Sandy victims in New York and New Jersey touched the hearts of Shelter Islanders who generously filled truckloads of clothing and other goods bound for Island Park and Long Beach last week. But the word from the Federal Emergency Management Agency now is “stop.” [...]
“We stopped taking things now,” said Marie Eiffel whose boutiques on Shelter Island and in Sag Harbor have been drop-off centers for goods [...]
“It was great,” Ms. Eiffel said. “We did get to those people before FEMA stepped in and it was a great turnout,” she said of the goods contributed by her friends and neighbors to boost the relief effort. [...]
Shelter Island Police Officers Tom Cronin and Terrance LeGrady have suspended their efforts launched by Officer Cronin’s wife Susan, who posted a Face Book plea for contributions.
“We brought up a huge load and it was gone in 48 hours,” Officer Cronin said.
Full article here (http://shelterislandreporter.timesreview.com/2012/11/17890/latest-word-from-fema-to-island-stop/)
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