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itshappening
11-12-2012, 06:19 PM
Well, Texas, you have done it.

As of 3:40 p.m. ET, more than 25,000 Texans have already signed the petition on The White House website to let Texas peacefully secede from United States of America and “create its own NEW government.”

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012/11/the-petition-to-let-texas-secede-from-the-u-s-to-be-reviewed-by-the-white-house/

69360
11-12-2012, 06:41 PM
I wonder how high the population of Texas would climb if that actually happened?

tod evans
11-12-2012, 06:41 PM
I'd consider moving.

TheTexan
11-12-2012, 06:48 PM
25,000 signatures in 3 days... not bad...

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 06:52 PM
Please don't move here. It will just siphon jobs from people who need them and drive the price of housing up. Unless you want to come open a business here and create jobs.

Czolgosz
11-12-2012, 06:52 PM
Stop asking for permission.

FrankRep
11-12-2012, 06:55 PM
Stop asking for permission.

True. The founding fathers didn't ask for permission to break away from Great Britain.

69360
11-12-2012, 06:57 PM
Please don't move here. It will just siphon jobs from people who need them and drive the price of housing up. Unless you want to come open a business here and create jobs.

If you're going back to the republic of Texas and it means more freedom for me, we're going to be neighbors!

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 06:57 PM
True. The founding fathers didn't ask for permission to break away from Great Britain.

The founding fathers and Great Britain had muskets and cannons. The US military vs Texas military...well guess which one would win?

TheTexan
11-12-2012, 06:58 PM
Stop asking for permission.

I agree with that. Though I do think these otherwise pointless petitions do have a purpose though in uniting people together for a common cause.

TheTexan
11-12-2012, 06:59 PM
The founding fathers and Great Britain had muskets and cannons. The US military vs Texas military...well guess which one would win?

Texas

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 07:02 PM
If you're going back to the republic of Texas and it means more freedom for me, we're going to be neighbors!


I wouldn't get too excited until you find out who/what is behind it etc. This is Rick Perry land remember? And John Cornyn and a bunch of other yahoos who have proven to hardly be liberty people.

gwax23
11-12-2012, 07:03 PM
I signed it. And the others as well. Sure nothing will come of it but if it gets more signature (Almost 40k now) itll really be a nice FU to the federal government. If any state secedes ill be on the first plane there.

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 07:04 PM
Texas


Really? Care to elaborate?

TheTexan
11-12-2012, 07:05 PM
I wouldn't get too excited until you find out who/what is behind it etc. This is Rick Perry land remember? And John Cornyn and a bunch of other yahoos who have proven to hardly be liberty people.

Which is kinda why I think Texas seceding is funny. I'm for any/all/every secession of all flavors/shapes/sizes, but I wouldn't expect anything other than a smaller version of the US if Texas were to magically actually secede.

Still, with that said, it would be a giant step in the right direction, if only for just the precedent it would set.

Henry Rogue
11-12-2012, 07:05 PM
I wonder how many socialist would move out.

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 07:07 PM
bunch of info here..I'll let you all dissect it http://www.texasnationalist.com/

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 07:08 PM
Which is kinda why I think Texas seceding is funny. I'm for any/all/every secession of all flavors/shapes/sizes, but I wouldn't expect anything other than a smaller version of the US if Texas were to magically actually secede.

Still, with that said, it would be a giant step in the right direction, if only for just the precedent it would set.


Ron Paul for President of Texas

itshappening
11-12-2012, 07:08 PM
isnt there a movement for a 2nd Vermont Republic ?

And those people are hardcore socialists. Even their senator Bernie Sanders admits he is a socialist.

american.swan
11-12-2012, 07:16 PM
But but but how would California get electricity without Texas and "Enron"?

american.swan
11-12-2012, 07:20 PM
The government of Texas is wimpy and currently very neoconservative to me. But definitely the people raised in Texas have an independent streak in them. I'd be thrilled if it left the union.

Truth be told... The only states able to leave the union would be states with NUKES and the man power to threaten the US with them if they tried anything.

Philhelm
11-12-2012, 07:28 PM
Please don't move here. It will just siphon jobs from people who need them and drive the price of housing up. Unless you want to come open a business here and create jobs.

You'll need soldiers...

matt0611
11-12-2012, 07:30 PM
Why would these people sign a petition on the White House Website to leave the Union?

Why are you petitioning the white house for secession? You don't need their permission, do you think they'd give it to you anyway?

Texans should be going to their governor and legislature, not Obama.

If enough Texans actually wanted to leave this union they could. Not enough people have the balls to do this though...not yet.

dillo
11-12-2012, 08:21 PM
Id rather have my president Barrack Obama than Rick Perry

ghengis86
11-12-2012, 08:27 PM
Really? Care to elaborate?

How have those 10 years in Afghanistan gone? And Iraq?

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 08:46 PM
Why would these people sign a petition on the White House Website to leave the Union?

Why are you petitioning the white house for secession? You don't need their permission, do you think they'd give it to you anyway?

Texans should be going to their governor and legislature, not Obama.

If enough Texans actually wanted to leave this union they could. Not enough people have the balls to do this though...not yet.


Because it's so much easier to click a mouse than pull a trigger.

Anyone who would hope for a bloodless secession would be kidding themselves. I do however think an official declaration of independence would be needed. It should probably come from the Texas state legislature and be signed by the governor. Plan A anyway...

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 09:02 PM
bunch of info here..I'll let you all dissect it http://www.texasnationalist.com/

+rep Plan A

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 09:03 PM
How have those 10 years in Afghanistan gone? And Iraq?

No one wants to go to war here. Plus the state is getting bluer all the time. I highly doubt it would happen without a vote. And those years in the mideast have gone that way because WAR Inc needs perpetual war. The US has weaponry that could wipe us off the map if they so chose. A violent secession is out of the question.

Pauls' Revere
11-12-2012, 09:04 PM
Seccession Bomb.

Aeroneous
11-12-2012, 09:05 PM
Obviously Texas has quite a bit of neo-con influence, but the petition being signed seems to cite some libertarian issues for its reasoning:


The petition, created Friday, argues, "The U.S. continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending." It further claims that American citizens are suffering "blatant abuses of their rights," pointing to the Transportation Security Administration and the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows for indefinite detention of terror suspects.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-secession-petition-grows-on-White-House-4030870.php

TheTexan
11-12-2012, 09:09 PM
Does anyone know who organized this or where it came from?

ican'tvote
11-12-2012, 09:33 PM
CREATOR
Micah H
Arlington, TX
November 09, 2012
Signature # 1

That's the person who started it. I don't think anybody knows who he is. All the news stories give that impression.

idiom
11-12-2012, 09:35 PM
No one wants to go to war here. Plus the state is getting bluer all the time. I highly doubt it would happen without a vote. And those years in the mideast have gone that way because WAR Inc needs perpetual war. The US has weaponry that could wipe us off the map if they so chose. A violent secession is out of the question.

Without a moral imperative like freeing slaves, what would they possibly use to justify using nuclear weapons in a civil war?

NoOneButPaul
11-12-2012, 09:41 PM
I would run to Texas despite my differences with the state...

PattyFromTexas
11-12-2012, 09:47 PM
And start another civil war? Brother against brother, father against son, friend against friend. I wish you would stop promoting this idea, it's stirring up nothing but trouble.

FlatIron
11-12-2012, 09:50 PM
does anybody have link to petition?

edit: nvm found link

wow, 50k signatures so far.

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 09:53 PM
And start another civil war? Brother against brother, father against son, friend against friend. I wish you would stop promoting this idea, it's stirring up nothing but trouble.

I don't think many in secession movement are promoting civil war. But I trust the U.S. government as far as I can throw them. I'd love to see the Texas Nationalist movement succeed and am looking forward to getting educated in all the legislative things that are going on. But people need to realize they may be called to defend their desire for freedom with violence if the US were to get aggressive.

Again, every non-violent option must be exhausted and I totally agree with the TNM, violence and overthrowing the government should not be promoted.

matt0611
11-12-2012, 09:54 PM
I would run to Texas despite my differences with the state...

As would I.

I can't stand the heat but damn I'd go to Texas if they ever declared their intention to secede.

Pauls' Revere
11-12-2012, 09:55 PM
Texas has over 50,000 sigs.

Pauls' Revere
11-12-2012, 09:55 PM
does anybody have link to petition?

edit: nvm found link

wow, 50k signatures so far.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

american.swan
11-12-2012, 10:02 PM
Twitter says Georgia now has enough signatures to force an official response from the White House.

Texas signatures passed the 25000 threshold a while back.

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 10:09 PM
Twitter says Georgia now has enough signatures to force an official response from the White House.

Texas signatures passed the 25000 threshold a while back.

And I'm sure the White House is slack jawed that this is coming from so many Red states after an election. lol

PattyFromTexas
11-12-2012, 10:11 PM
No one seems to be THINKING about the consequences of this idea. The US would NEVER in a million years allow peaceful secession. To attempt such a thing would cause a civil war. There is no peaceful solution to this idea.

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 10:14 PM
No one seems to be THINKING about the consequences of this idea. The US would NEVER in a million years allow peaceful secession. To attempt such a thing would cause a civil war. There is no peaceful solution to this idea.

So what solution would you suggest?

idiom
11-12-2012, 10:20 PM
True. The founding fathers didn't ask for permission to break away from Great Britain.

A number of colonies happily seceded peacefully from Britain.

PattyFromTexas
11-12-2012, 10:21 PM
There is always an alternative to war. It's wrong to promote an idea that will only end in bloodshed. Peaceful secession will never be allowed. You should know that.

Carlybee
11-12-2012, 10:24 PM
Without a moral imperative like freeing slaves, what would they possibly use to justify using nuclear weapons in a civil war?

Oh...you think they need a moral imperative? They would just declare us all domestic terrorists. I mean they certainly didn't need a moral imperative when they allowed the TSA to manhandle babies and old people. You forget who you are dealing with. And they don't need nuclear weapons...just a bunch of dronebombers or some kind of microwave weapons. (don't quote me I am not a war weaponry expert). Texas is big but a lot of it is rural and there are large sparse areas. Plus there would be the non-secessionists to deal with. It's not 1776 and it's not the Civil War days.

That being said, we are certainly no longer the "United" States it appears.

american.swan
11-12-2012, 10:25 PM
Firstly as I stated before the state who wishes to leave would need nukes. Still I think it's funny Obama's administration will have to go on record saying something about this. Let's see how peaceful his response is. He can't say he will blow up Austin. How many people would appreciate such a violent stance.

Henry Rogue
11-12-2012, 10:25 PM
Twitter says Georgia now has enough signatures to force an official response from the White House.

Texas signatures passed the 25000 threshold a while back.
Unfortunately now they have the first list for the fema camps.

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 10:27 PM
There is always an alternative to war...

For example?

american.swan
11-12-2012, 10:30 PM
How many northern Democrats will be willing to cook in the 100+° Texas summer to shoot Republican freedom fighters?

ghengis86
11-12-2012, 10:30 PM
Unfortunately now they have the first list for the fema camps.

I went to the link and thought the same thing. I wondered if these petition starters were plants. Then honeypot. Then just pissed off people. Then never letting a good crisis go to waste. Then IP capture for future use (treason comes to mind). Then, LOL

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 10:33 PM
How many northern Democrats will be willing to cook in the 100+° Texas summer to shoot Republican freedom fighters?

Both my uncle from Washington and my friend from Wisconsin plan their vacations to Texas for the month of August. They love the heat...weirdos. lol

american.swan
11-12-2012, 10:33 PM
The current Texas gov is not interested in leaving the union. This may be an opportunity to make this part of a political campaign. "vote for me because I will attempt to give Texas a peaceful framework to leave the union."

PattyFromTexas
11-12-2012, 10:36 PM
Nonviolent civil disobedience, peaceful demonstrations. Continuing to promote the truth, and Ron Paul's ideas. The internet is still spreading the message, more and more people wake up every day, I know, I'm one of them. Teach your friends, your neighbors, your children. Be the messengers we need so badly. This war will not be won with bloodshed, but with ideas.

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 10:41 PM
Nonviolent civil disobedience, peaceful demonstrations. Continuing to promote the truth, and Ron Paul's ideas. The internet is still spreading the message, more and more people wake up every day, I know, I'm one of them. Teach your friends, your neighbors, your children. Be the messengers we need so badly. This war will not be won with bloodshed, but with ideas.

And no one would dispute that. That's why I mentioned the TNM being a good start. Obviously principles of individual liberty will need to be reintroduced to a population brain washed by Federal propaganda.

But your proposal would make it seem that you want the Federal government to adopt the principles of liberty. Absolute power corrupts, you know.

Henry Rogue
11-12-2012, 10:45 PM
My guess. I think the U.S. government would use sanctions and other isolationist moves first. Look how fast the Texas government folded on the tsa thing when the fed. gov. threatened to stop commercial flights to Texas.

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 10:48 PM
My guess. I think the U.S. government would use sanctions and other isolationist moves first. Look how fast the Texas government folded on the tsa thing when the fed. gov. threatened to stop commercial flights to Texas.

You'd certainly need to get some Texas Nationalist in higher office. Too many establishment GOP present in the state. They're Washington stooges in cowboy hats, unfortunately. I prefer my politicians in coon skin caps. :p

Pauls' Revere
11-12-2012, 10:53 PM
who gets the White House response and how do we get a copy?

Philhelm
11-12-2012, 10:57 PM
At over 36,000 signatures is petition fail:


we petition the obama administration to:

outlaw offending prophets of major religions

To enact a law that prohibits any action or literature that offend prophets of major religions:

- Moses

- Jesus

- Mohammad

Such acts offend billions of people, and cause unrest in the world. Furthermore, acts like this contradict the essence of coexistence and peace among humans. Labeling these acts as freedom of speech is similar to labeling murder as freedom of expression!

We all know the chaos such acts can cause, but it's difficult to answer the question: What do they contribute to our nation, or humanity in general?

Created: Sep 17, 2012

Henry Rogue
11-12-2012, 10:57 PM
You'd certainly need to get some Texas Nationalist in higher office. Too many establishment GOP present in the state. They're Washington stooges in cowboy hats, unfortunately. I prefer my politicians in coon skin caps. :p Davy Crockett that would be a good avatar.
http://davycrockettfacts.com/images/davy_crockett.jpg

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 10:57 PM
who gets the White House response and how do we get a copy?


Once the petition reaches the required threshold, it will be put in a queue to be reviewed by the White House. Others can still sign the petition while it is awaiting a response from the White House. When the White House responds, everyone who has signed the petition will get email from the White House to let you know that we’ve reviewed and responded to the petition.

wh.gov

Henry Rogue
11-12-2012, 11:02 PM
Philhelm Who's idea was that?

Philhelm
11-12-2012, 11:05 PM
Philhelm Who's idea was that?

The creator of the petition was "No O" from Lansing, MI. It was one of the other active petitions I had found on the Whitehouse website.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/outlaw-offending-prophets-major-religions/94kL1tsN

FrancisMarion
11-12-2012, 11:11 PM
Nonviolent civil disobedience, peaceful demonstrations. Continuing to promote the truth, and Ron Paul's ideas. The internet is still spreading the message, more and more people wake up every day, I know, I'm one of them. Teach your friends, your neighbors, your children. Be the messengers we need so badly. This war will not be won with bloodshed, but with ideas.

I don't think Texas would initiate the violence.

Whom exactly are the US forces made of?

Do you think that our men and women in uniform would leave the middle east and come back here to fire on their own citizens?

I think it could be peaceful. After all this fight would be over money and legal leverage. It would take a state leader and governing body at the wishes of their constituents.

Can you be supportive of paying more income taxes to your state? No? Well then just call it the United States of America

american.swan
11-12-2012, 11:12 PM
This response from the White House won't be only in some email boxes. There's a blog writing about it on the UK Telegraph website and most US politics sites are now carrying the story. Therefore I presume a very public response.

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 11:15 PM
This response from the White House won't be only in some email boxes. There's a blog writing about it on the UK Telegraph website and most US politics sites are now carrying the story. Therefore I presume a very public response.

True, I overlooked the most obvious link: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/responses

:o

Matthew5
11-12-2012, 11:17 PM
I don't think Texas would initiate the violence.

Whom exactly are the US forces made of?

Do you think that our men and women in uniform would leave the middle east and come back here to fire on their own citizens?

I think it could be peaceful. After all this fight would be over money and legal leverage. It would take a state leader and governing body at the wishes of their constituents.

Can you be supportive of paying more income taxes to your state? No? Well then just call it the United States of America


Good point, we can't control the actions of others. If we peaceably submit a declaration of independence and form our own nation, how are we responsible for violence?

Henry Rogue
11-12-2012, 11:25 PM
Considering TPTB in each state gov. Obama could say "i'm ok with it if your state gov. is." and then nothing happens. But i'm sure he will not say that.

WilliamShrugged
11-12-2012, 11:54 PM
If the Federal government blocked off Texas so no trade could enter in then two things come to mind... 1) Other states might decide to secede due to trade benefits being lost because of federal mandates. 2) Or half of Texas dies off due to their obesity and lost of food.

jcannon98188
11-13-2012, 12:06 AM
Why would these people sign a petition on the White House Website to leave the Union?

Why are you petitioning the white house for secession? You don't need their permission, do you think they'd give it to you anyway?

Texans should be going to their governor and legislature, not Obama.

If enough Texans actually wanted to leave this union they could. Not enough people have the balls to do this though...not yet.

Because supposedly, if you get 25k votes, they will propose it to Congress or something

TheTexan
11-13-2012, 12:29 AM
And start another civil war? Brother against brother, father against son, friend against friend. I wish you would stop promoting this idea, it's stirring up nothing but trouble.

Secession is an act of peace.

Carlybee
11-13-2012, 12:45 AM
This comment does make me want to say bring it bitches:


If you read the comments on the Dallas Morning News article, you will see that Texas isn't even able to govern itself as a State. Perhaps it's time for neo-reconstruction --- send federal troops to all southern States, impose military governors and martial law, and teach the ungrateful trash to behave.

One of the comments from this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/rick-perry-secession_n_2120453.html?1352781560&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

FrancisMarion
11-13-2012, 12:52 AM
send federal troops to all southern States,

already here.

american.swan
11-13-2012, 01:27 AM
Due to Texas media this petition could go viral in which case people on the fence in Texas would likely side more with seceding. Perhaps this wasn't planned but it could be a useful event for those broke window fallacy believers.

RonPaulFanInGA
11-13-2012, 01:37 AM
New Texas needs a President:

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/18/18686/16x9/635.jpg?7567

american.swan
11-13-2012, 01:47 AM
I find the whole thing hilarious.

I ask myself why is the media reporting this?

Shouldn't Obama come out in a hurry before this gets blown out of proportion? If it goes viral, I suspect whatever the Washington administration says will piss off some petitioners.

american.swan
11-13-2012, 04:07 AM
Obermann says Texas can leave and Oklahoma should kick them on the way out.

Watch "If Texas were to secede here is what it would cost.." on YouTube bit.ly/SSehta

Confederate
11-13-2012, 04:32 AM
60,000 signatures

itshappening
11-13-2012, 04:45 AM
Confederacy is popular again but for different reasons.

some things never change...

Odin
11-13-2012, 05:09 AM
I would move there.

cindy25
11-13-2012, 05:58 AM
The founding fathers and Great Britain had muskets and cannons. The US military vs Texas military...well guess which one would win?

it wouldn't just be Texas; most of the south would follow, and their soldiers/sailors would go with them. what percent of the military is southern?

opal
11-13-2012, 07:48 AM
MHO - a lot of folks would move there but also a LOT would have to leave. Those who'e incomes are social security - VA disability and people on other federal programs would be instantly out of pocket. A bad thing.. ? I dunno but it's a factor.

tod evans
11-13-2012, 07:50 AM
MHO - a lot of folks would move there but also a LOT would have to leave. Those who'e incomes are social security - VA disability and people on other federal programs would be instantly out of pocket. A bad thing.. ? I dunno but it's a factor.

Don't forget federal employees, welfare and child support recipients..

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 08:29 AM
Obermann says Texas can leave and Oklahoma should kick them on the way out.

Watch "If Texas were to secede here is what it would cost.." on YouTube bit.ly/SSehta

Oklahoma might set aside their pride and actually rejoin with Texas. I'm all in favor of the Five Tribes having their land back as well!

And that video...I made it about 2:15 before having to turn it off. I can't believe I used to watch this person's (playing nice here lol) program. He assumes that we'd want a carbon copy of the Federal government. Hey dingbat, that's why we're leaving in the first place!

The sports analogy was just plain stupid and easily showed what a liberal blowhard this guy is.

Aeroneous
11-13-2012, 08:32 AM
So if this happened (which I doubt) would joining the secession absolve you of federal student loan debt, bad credit, etc.? I bet that's tempting for a lot of people...

There are people saying they'd go to Texas, but we have no idea what type of government would really be created. What if GWB became a Texas dictator?

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 08:36 AM
MHO - a lot of folks would move there but also a LOT would have to leave. Those who'e incomes are social security - VA disability and people on other federal programs would be instantly out of pocket. A bad thing.. ? I dunno but it's a factor.

It is a factor, and immigration policy would be a key factor in the new Republic.

I believe it was Sam Houston who said: "All new states are invested, more or less, by a class of noisy, second-rate men who are always in favor of rash and extreme measures, but Texas was absolutely overrun by such men." :D

Not sure if that's accurate or not but there would need to be an immigration policy not with just Mexico, but with the United States as well. You'd have a flood of southerners coming to Texas. How would you deal with those people?

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 08:38 AM
So if this happened (which I doubt) would joining the secession absolve you of federal student loan debt, bad credit, etc.? I bet that's tempting for a lot of people...

There are people saying they'd go to Texas, but we have no idea what type of government would really be created. What if GWB became a Texas dictator?

Seeing as how the Texas Nationalist Movement wants to reestablish a republic, I'd doubt that would ever be possible. I'm uneducated in this movement, but I assume there's a draft of the form of government already laid out?

Aeroneous
11-13-2012, 08:41 AM
Seeing as how the Texas Nationalist Movement wants to reestablish a republic, I'd doubt that would ever be possible. I'm uneducated in this movement, but I assume there's a draft of the form of government already laid out?

I assume that's the case, but before I ever dedicated myself to something like a secession I would have to see a thoroughly laid out plan. If there is a plan already created, then I retract my previous comment. I'll see if I can't find something about it.

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 08:49 AM
I assume that's the case, but before I ever dedicated myself to something like a secession I would have to see a thoroughly laid out plan. If there is a plan already created, then I retract my previous comment. I'll see if I can't find something about it.

I agree whole heartily! I'd hate to see millions dedicate their lives to change only to have the White House replaced by the Governor's Mansion.

I'd need to see a transition plan, a declaration of independence, immigration policy, and a Constitution/Bill of Rights for the new government.

Aeroneous
11-13-2012, 08:54 AM
Two petitions opposed to those trying to secede:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 09:02 AM
Here's another major problem:

Washington politicians in power in Texas (i.e. Rick "The Hair" Perry)

http://politi.co/RUMfy0

Aeroneous
11-13-2012, 09:11 AM
By KEVIN ROBILLARD | 11/13/12 6:04 AM EST
Gov. Rick Perry, who famously mused about secession in 2009, doesn’t support an effort by some Texas residents who are petitioning to leave the United States.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83751.html#ixzz2C7FH5nWM

Not something that should be "mused" about. He supports it in '09, it starts to come to life and he suddenly loses gusto.

UMULAS
11-13-2012, 09:19 AM
When I see one million signatures, then I will see it as a real movement.

Other than that, it looks like a bunch of tea partyist's screaming because neo con Romney lost to neo con Obama.

matt0611
11-13-2012, 09:27 AM
I think you guys in Texas will need a new governor for this. When is Perry up for reelection?

Aeroneous
11-13-2012, 09:28 AM
When I see one million signatures, then I will see it as a real movement.

Other than that, it looks like a bunch of tea partyist's screaming because neo con Romney lost to neo con Obama.

I get where you're coming from, but 65k signatures in one week is still pretty impressive. It had 27k within 3 days. It's still growing pretty rapidly... I'll give it some significant respect at 100k.

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 09:30 AM
I think you guys in Texas will need a new governor for this. When is Perry up for reelection?

2014...and no term limits. :rolleyes:

jkr
11-13-2012, 09:36 AM
And start another civil war? Brother against brother, father against son, friend against friend. I wish you would stop promoting this idea, it's stirring up nothing but trouble.
no disrespect, but we already are...

UMULAS
11-13-2012, 10:03 AM
I get where you're coming from, but 65k signatures in one week is still pretty impressive. It had 27k within 3 days. It's still growing pretty rapidly... I'll give it some significant respect at 100k.

When they have reached 100k, that will mean that only 4% of Texans would want to secede; someone respectable, but if they are serious about this idea and not some "heat of the moment", then they should at least get 2.5 million Texans.

Aeroneous
11-13-2012, 10:08 AM
When they have reached 100k, that will mean that only 4% of Texans would want to secede; someone respectable, but if they are serious about this idea and not some "heat of the moment", then they should at least get 2.5 million Texans.

True, but 3% of the state (at about 70k now) on a single petition in one week is pretty impressive.

It's just rare to see mass numbers jump on a single issue at this rate.

Carlybee
11-13-2012, 10:16 AM
Well the last time states tried to secede resulted in the Civil War...will be interesting to see what the White House says...btw Rick Perry is against it.

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 10:39 AM
I feel that there is weakness in the "popularity by percentage of population" argument (which is quite popular if comment sections are believed). There will always be leaders and followers. It takes a restless minority to step up and guide people to what they believe is the truth. You'll also have many that will be sympathizers to America or anti-nationalists. So to say it's a DOA movement because it's a 1-4% on the radar, doesn't mean it doesn't have merit.

Many claim that this is just disgruntled Romney supporters. I doubt that as many Romney supporters are flag-waving "patriots".

ican'tvote
11-13-2012, 10:45 AM
True, but 3% of the state (at about 70k now) on a single petition in one week is pretty impressive.

It's just rare to see mass numbers jump on a single issue at this rate.
You don't have to be from Texas to sign it.

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 10:53 AM
Looks like it's not just Texas....

http://i45.tinypic.com/vcqkie.jpg

gwax23
11-13-2012, 10:56 AM
Over 70k for Texas Secession and its still growing.

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 10:58 AM
Rumors are going around not to sign the petitions. Claims are that they put you on some watch list....the usual...as if we're not all on watch lists anyway...

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 11:00 AM
Rumors are going around not to sign the petitions. Claims are that they put you on some watch list....the usual...as if we're not all on watch lists anyway...

I agree with your conclusion. At first I was against it but realized that the government has a record of everything anyway, might as well be out in the open.

Cowlesy
11-13-2012, 11:01 AM
Yeah we'll see how long this lasts once social security, social security disability and welfare checks, not to mention medicare, is cut off.

gwax23
11-13-2012, 11:03 AM
The government knows who we are. You dont think there watching this very site? To sign Up you give a name and a Email.

Warrior_of_Freedom
11-13-2012, 11:06 AM
Rumors are going around not to sign the petitions. Claims are that they put you on some watch list....the usual...as if we're not all on watch lists anyway... Of course, do you think I would register for a government website and say I want my state to secede from the union? God Bless them; good luck trying to get on an airplane.

Carlybee
11-13-2012, 11:07 AM
I don't see how Mississippi could be self sustaining...isn't it the highest poverty rate?

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 11:11 AM
Of course, do you think I would register for a government website and say I want my state to secede from the union? God Bless them; good luck trying to get on an airplane.

To each, his own.

I couldn't care less about getting on a plane at this juncture. Not interested in being treated like a criminal just to save some time.

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 11:14 AM
Yeah we'll see how long this lasts once social security, social security disability and welfare checks, not to mention medicare, is cut off.

If a state secedes, the federal gov't no longer gets taxes from it. The state can then use the money they're NOT sending to the FED to continue paying for the 'safety net' that many have been basically forced to accept, because so much of their income has been confiscated over the years. The state can then encourage new PRIVATE programs to wean the younger generations off of socialism.

tod evans
11-13-2012, 11:15 AM
Yeah we'll see how long this lasts once social security, social security disability and welfare checks, not to mention medicare, is cut off.

Something tells me that folks signing these petitions are not sucking on the federal tit..;)

Henry Rogue
11-13-2012, 11:29 AM
I wonder how much Texas has in gold or silver. Sound Money is key to success once seceded.

truthspeaker
11-13-2012, 11:31 AM
The current Texas gov is not interested in leaving the union. This may be an opportunity to make this part of a political campaign. "vote for me because I will attempt to give Texas a peaceful framework to leave the union."

Perry just two years ago made a speech about Sucession. Btw, the radio also daid today that Louisanna has enough signatures too.

Personally I think the USA needs Texas.

truthspeaker
11-13-2012, 11:32 AM
I wonder how much Texas has in gold or silver. Sound Money is key to success once seceded.

$70,000 of gold was "missing" during the Civil War. That was partial funds of the Republic!

truthspeaker
11-13-2012, 11:33 AM
Looks like it's not just Texas....

http://i45.tinypic.com/vcqkie.jpg

Holy cow!

:-/

UMULAS
11-13-2012, 11:38 AM
Calm down, people did the exact same thing in 2004 and 2008; the big surprise is Texas and Tennessee.

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 11:55 AM
Personally I think the USA needs Texas.

Which is why Texas would be interested in free trade among states of the US. I do wonder how other nations would trade with Texas and how it would affect the electronics industry. Doesn't most of Asia use the west coast for shipment?

shane77m
11-13-2012, 11:56 AM
The only thing is that if by some miracle a state were to secede it would still probably be run by the same b.s. politicians. Still the same crap just on a smaller scale.

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 12:04 PM
The only thing is that if by some miracle a state were to secede it would still probably be run by the same b.s. politicians. Still the same crap just on a smaller scale.

At least that's a step in the right direction. Smaller scale means it's easier to create change. Infinitely more difficult in a nation the size of the US.

Carlybee
11-13-2012, 12:17 PM
The site at the link I posted earlier has the proposed Constitution

Carlybee
11-13-2012, 01:10 PM
In a statement released Monday night Perry's office said, "Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper. We cannot allow Washington’s tax and spend, one-size-fits-all mindset to jeopardize our children’s future, undermine our personal liberties and drive our nation down a dangerous path to greater dependence of government."

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 01:20 PM
In a statement released Monday night Perry's office said, "Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper. We cannot allow Washington’s tax and spend, one-size-fits-all mindset to jeopardize our children’s future, undermine our personal liberties and drive our nation down a dangerous path to greater dependence of government."

Ok, Perry, then what's your solution? You're not bringing anything to the table!

Election season has begun here in Texas...we need to kick this guy out.

Pericles
11-13-2012, 01:40 PM
Ok, Perry, then what's your solution? You're not bringing anything to the table!

Election season has begun here in Texas...we need to kick this guy out.

Dewhurst got canned - that should have served as notice to the others.

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 02:48 PM
Which is why Texas would be interested in free trade among states of the US. I do wonder how other nations would trade with Texas and how it would affect the electronics industry. Doesn't most of Asia use the west coast for shipment?

Not for long - if Nasco and the SPP have anything to say about it. Their plan is to have China et.al. ship to southern mexico and use mexican truckers to bring it through Texas via the NAFTA superhighway and on up into the Kansas City inland port and distribute goods across the US and into Canada. This of course, among other things, will put our longshoremen and truckers out of business.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2rz78n5.jpg

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 02:51 PM
The. only thing is that if by some miracle a state were to secede it would still probably be run by the same b.s. politicians. Still the same crap just on a smaller scale.

Not a good enough reason not to consider it a viable option to the tyranny we find ourselves in. Even if you (anyone) don't like the idea of secession, if enough people got involved with this, that alone might cause enough of a stir to change things for the better in D.C.

idiom
11-13-2012, 03:08 PM
Where is Oregon off to?!?

Warrior_of_Freedom
11-13-2012, 03:09 PM
it's nearing 80,000, this is amusing :P

ravedown
11-13-2012, 03:38 PM
interesting how much publicity this is getting- i dont watch cable news but have seen it popping up on social media and political blogs...lots of people discussing something most people have never heard of. wonder how its playing on msmbc.

Pericles
11-13-2012, 03:52 PM
Not for long - if Nasco and the SPP have anything to say about it. Their plan is to have China et.al. ship to southern mexico and use mexican truckers to bring it through Texas via the NAFTA superhighway and on up into the Kansas City inland port and distribute goods across the US and into Canada. This of course, among other things, will put our longshoremen and truckers out of business.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2rz78n5.jpg


I'm thinking that an independent Texas with 10% tariffs could eliminate the sales tax .... never had a state income tax and never will.

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 03:54 PM
I'm thinking that an independent Texas with 10% tariffs could eliminate the sales tax .... never had a state income tax and never will.

Yeah, but from what I hear, your property taxes make up for it. I heard they're outrageous.

Pericles
11-13-2012, 03:57 PM
Yeah, but from what I hear, your property taxes make up for it. I heard they're outrageous.

I've had as high as 1.5%. Might make a dent in that, too.

Athan
11-13-2012, 04:02 PM
Please don't move here. It will just siphon jobs from people who need them and drive the price of housing up. Unless you want to come open a business here and create jobs.
Only Ron Paul people welcomed. If your a neocon and GOP you can move to South Carolina.

Philhelm
11-13-2012, 04:06 PM
Only Ron Paul people welcomed. If your a neocon and GOP you can move to South Carolina.

Imagine a real free state project!

gwax23
11-13-2012, 04:16 PM
Surpassed 80k

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 04:23 PM
Imagine a real free state project!

Get all those FSP people down to the new Republic of Texas! They'll get used to the heat...eventually. :D

The Goat
11-13-2012, 04:40 PM
Only Ron Paul people welcomed. If your a neocon and GOP you can move to South Carolina.

Screw that, I've got plenty of those bastards as it is.

Matthew5
11-13-2012, 04:46 PM
Screw that, I've got plenty of those bastards as it is.

How about Florida? It's screwed up beyond repair anyway.

Deborah K
11-13-2012, 04:58 PM
Please just don't send them to Cali...we're already the land of fruits and nuts.

Matthew5
11-14-2012, 08:36 AM
I can already see the White House's response:


E pluribus unum: "Out of many, one."

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us -- the spin masters, the negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of "anything goes." Well, I say to them tonight, there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America -- there’s the United States of America.



Remember that gem?

Bonus content!


If there’s an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.


we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the red states.

Oh how the times have changed.