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randomname
11-10-2012, 04:05 PM
Chris Hayes: White identity politics doomed 2012 Republican effort (http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/10/white-identity-politics-doomed-2012-republican-effort/)

Also, "conservatives are racist"

robert68
11-10-2012, 04:38 PM
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Lucille
11-10-2012, 04:41 PM
The GOP’s Asian-American Fiasco
How Republicans alienated a once-allied bloc of voters
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-gops-asian-american-fiasco/


And here is this bloc of voters who, let’s see, tend to gravitate to the private sector with many of them creating and managing small businesses. Actually, some of them belong to the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans, and most are doing quite well in terms of income and job security. They also are very family-oriented and subscribe to more traditional values.

Based on these and other social and economic indications, Asian-Americans as an electoral bloc should be natural political ally of a Republican Party that is, after all, committed to the principles of the free market, supports the interests of small businesses, and celebrates hard work and family values, which is probably the way to describe what Asian-Americans are all about.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney wanted to demonstrate to voters that energizing the private sector — and not growing government — is the most effective way to provide Americans with an opportunity to advance their economic standing. He had to only point to Asian-Americans, whose median weekly earnings have been greater than those earned by whites during the last decade and whose unemployment rate has remained relatively low even during the recent recession.

According to a 2011 U.S. Labor Department report Asian-Americans are more likely than either whites or blacks to be employed in the private sector, with more than 8 to 10 percent of employed Asian-Americans working for private companies. It also reported that the number of Asian-owned businesses expanded at the rate of 40.4 percent, a rate that more than doubled the national average between 2002 and 2007. In short, you would probably find very few Asian-Americans among the ranks of the “47 percent.”

Moreover, that many Asian-Americans trace their roots to countries that have been and still are under the control of Communist regimes that had repressed their families should have been another reason for many of them to vote for the party of Ronald Reagan and the other Republican Presidents with impressive anti-Communist credentials.

And, indeed, during the post-1945 era the majority of Asian-Americans voters that included refugees from Communist-ruled China, Korea and Vietnam tended to identify with the conservative and anti-communist agenda of the Republican Party. The majority of Asian-American voters went for Reagan, a Republican president whose economic principles, social values and foreign policy seems to be in line with theirs, as was his commitment to the notion of America as a nation of immigrants, that “sunny” disposition that reflected the open and tolerant cultural outlook of California, the home of scores of immigrants from China, Vietnam, Korea and Japan, and a state that overlooks the Pacific Ocean.

Republican George H.W. Bush still received 55 percent of the Asian-American vote compared to 31 percent for Democrat Bill Clinton. But already in 2004 it was Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry who won the majority (56 percent) of Asian-American vote.

And a majority of 73 percent of Asian-Americans ended up voting for Obama this year, up from 62 percent in 2008. In a way, the percentage of Asian-Americans going for Obama was higher than that of Latinos who voted for the Democratic presidential candidate (71 percent) and another traditionally Democratic leaning bloc of Jewish voters (70 percent).

Yet Romney in his campaign spent more time courting Jewish voters, by hugging Bibi Netanyahu and pledging to bomb Iran (but maybe not on his first day in office…) and by making a few empty gestures to the Hispanics (for example, by considering Marco Rubio for the vice presidency) while paying no attention to Asian-American voters.

So why are Republicans losing the Asian-American vote that could actually play a critical role in presidential elections? Why do Asian-Americans now tend largely to identify themselves as Democrats, with Korean-Americans resisting the voting trend among Asian-Americans and continuing to lean Republican — not unlike Cuban-American voters who remain a faithful Republican voting bloc among the pro-Democratic Hispanic community?
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That social-cultural affinities and not economic interests seem to determine voting behavior explains why younger and more educated Asian-Americans tend to fit into the demographic profile of the educated and middle class professionals, the so-called “creative class” who reside in areas like northern Virginia and who made it possible for Obama to win this important “swing” state two election in a row — mirroring the trend of less educated rural and blue-collar Americans voting for the Republicans.

What’s wrong in Kansas for the Democrats is the other side of the coin of what’s right for them in Fairfax County, Virginia, the Research Triangle in North Carolina, and the concentrations of educated professionals in the Pacific Northwest. The average Asian-American (or white) high-tech entrepreneur, software engineer, or graphic designer may have benefited professionally and economically from the free-market environment of the 1990′s. But he or she feels less comfortable with a political party perceived to be dominated by white politicians that many see as being intolerant toward minorities, gays, women and, yes, immigrants.
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The obsession of so many Republicans and conservatives with birtherism and with the president’s alleged Muslim faith only helps to accentuate the notion that Republicans are hostile toward immigrants and toward Americans who are non-white and non-Christian. Romney, a politician whose natural inclination was probably to sound more like Schwarzenegger and Reagan, ended up under the influence of the likes of Michele Bachmann sounding like the late Sen. Jesse Helms.

The Republicans are probably not going to win the support of the majority of African-American and Hispanic voters anytime soon. But Republicans are now in danger of losing the votes of another important demographic group that could have been its natural political ally. And the same kind of electoral strategy that could draw young, educated, and professional Asian-Americas into the GOP would also attract their counterparts in the African-American, Hispanic, and American-Jewish communities.

oyarde
11-10-2012, 07:01 PM
Who did the rest vote for ? Mussolini :) ?

RonPaulFanInGA
11-10-2012, 07:14 PM
So sick of "Romney won [blank, blank, blank]" and "Obama won [blank, blank, blank]."

How about simply: Obama won 51% of the electorate that voted, and Romney 48%?

Brett85
11-10-2012, 07:47 PM
Are there polls that show whether blacks and hispanics are anti war? Could the Republican Party bring in more blacks and hispanics if they adopted a more non interventionist foreign policy?

Giuliani was there on 911
11-10-2012, 08:23 PM
Are there polls that show whether blacks and hispanics are anti war? Could the Republican Party bring in more blacks and hispanics if they adopted a more non interventionist foreign policy?

Come on now let's be realistic here.The only thing most blacks and hispanics care about it is big government

alucard13mmfmj
11-10-2012, 08:31 PM
I told you all.. Most asians vote democrat. Most asians believe GOP is racist and help white/rich people. Any asian politicians you see, are mostly [D].

I can tell you 90% of my asian friends voted for Obama. Other 10% Ron Paul ^^.

Only way to change it is to maybe get some asians into the GOP structure to hold some positions.

Calvin! You should do it =p.

Brett85
11-10-2012, 08:43 PM
Come on now let's be realistic here.The only thing most blacks and hispanics care about it is big government

Then how do we get enough blacks and hispanics to vote for our candidates to actually win elections?

supermario21
11-10-2012, 08:43 PM
If minorities cannot be attracted to the message of freedom and liberty than I feel that getting 70% of the white vote is our only option. Our movement shouldn't have to stoop so low as to play racial politics. All Obama did was throw goodies at each demographic (unions, Hispanics, Blacks, etc) and got just enough of them to show up and beat Romney.

Giuliani was there on 911
11-10-2012, 08:49 PM
Then how do we get enough blacks and hispanics to vote for our candidates to actually win elections?

We don't need them. We can win elections with just White people. Romney would have won the election if he just got 2-3% more of the white vote. I'm not saying we wouldn't get any support from Hispanics and Blacks but it wouldn't be very significant.

Giuliani was there on 911
11-10-2012, 08:52 PM
If minorities cannot be attracted to the message of freedom and liberty than I feel that getting 70% of the white vote is our only option. Our movement shouldn't have to stoop so low as to play racial politics. All Obama did was throw goodies at each demographic (unions, Hispanics, Blacks, etc) and got just enough of them to show up and beat Romney.

The only racial politics we'd play would be race neutral policies like getting rid of Affirmative Action. That alone would be enough to bring working class whites into our camp in droves.

Tpoints
11-10-2012, 08:53 PM
but how many Asians were there?

Brett85
11-10-2012, 09:17 PM
I realize that we can never get a majority of blacks and hispanics to vote for our candidates, but I don't accept that we can't do better with those groups than we are now. I realize that these groups are predominately big government people, but you could appeal to blacks by talking about how federal drug laws are discriminatory towards them. That's a big issue in the inner cities. And surely there's some hispanics who care about some of the civil liberties issues that we emphasize? Like I said, we'll never win the majority of those people, but I think there's a chance that a different message could win over more of them than we're currently getting.

Karsten
11-10-2012, 09:22 PM
I'm surprised. There were a ton of Romney signs in the asian areas here in Southern California when I drove through them.