View Full Version : DREAM ACT: good or bad?
pochy1776
11-09-2012, 10:48 PM
I think it is pretty bad but everybody loves it? Why?
cindy25
11-09-2012, 11:03 PM
there are good points (citizenship in exchange for military service) and bad points (citizenship in exchange for free college)
they just want to pander to Hispanics
UMULAS
11-09-2012, 11:10 PM
The good thing in the DREAM ACT is that it allows immigrants to have easier pathway to citizenship; granting illegals the right to stay here plus going to free colleges.
The bad thing about it is that the free universities is paid by US tax dollars.
UMULAS
11-09-2012, 11:11 PM
The good thing in the DREAM ACT is that it allows immigrants to have easier pathway to citizenship; granting illegals the right to stay here plus going to free colleges.
The bad thing about it is that the free universities is paid by US tax dollars.
Also, never heard of exchange for military service; immigrants are not allowed to join the military prior to 9/11. It was made for the youth.
pochy1776
11-09-2012, 11:31 PM
I heard ron paul was against it.
BlackJack
11-09-2012, 11:33 PM
It is very bad for the simple reason of that these immigrants come here illegally and take American jobs that Americans have a hard time getting. Doesn't matter if they snuck here and built a family for the last 30 years. Its wrong. There are Americans serving hard prison for misdemeanors or on the streets starving and yet these immigrants get have fairly nice warm homes without legal citizenship and having to work hard for it. They get to go to colleges like UCLA when American students who get good grades deserve to be in their spot. Its ironic because Mexico will deport anyone coming in from South America, yet they want to come here and then bitch when we deport their asses back to where they came from.
FrankRep
11-10-2012, 12:29 AM
Bad thing.
oyarde
11-10-2012, 12:49 AM
I see nothing good for a taxpayer, what could be good about it ?
alucard13mmfmj
11-10-2012, 02:04 AM
Good for them, bad for us... It appears no one cares about "us" anymore.
What do "us" get in return for giving illegal immigrants "free" education?
Oh well.. I guess some illegal immigrants can get their degree from USC while grandma dies because medicare funds ran out. oh well.
Philhelm
11-10-2012, 02:07 AM
Come on guys. The government is behind it, so I can blindly guarantee with a 99.9% accuracy that it is a bad thing.
alucard13mmfmj
11-10-2012, 02:10 AM
I do, however, would support allow immigrants to serve in the military.
Teach them english and teach them to love USA and to serve. Once they get out, they can get free college education, sure why not.
Actually, I am thinking of joining airforce or something just because of unemployment ;( I am 25 and age limit is 27. I hope I find something before then.
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
11-10-2012, 06:30 AM
there are good points (citizenship in exchange for military service)
How is that a good point? They're running out of americans who want to lose limbs or die fighting bullshit wars for bullshit reasons, so we start importing people for that?? That's not a good point.
NCGOPer_for_Paul
11-10-2012, 06:54 AM
BAD!
There should be no benefit for anyone who has broken the law, flaunted it, robbed taxpayers, and demanded services in their native language. We've given these criminals a free ride for too long.
Tell 'em to go home, and file for citizenship the LEGAL way.
FrankRep
11-10-2012, 07:33 AM
http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/08aMay/dreamdrub-ap.001.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/2102-dream-act-reintroduced-in-house-and-senatehttp://)
The DREAM Act — widely labeled amnesty — has been reintroduced in the House and Senate, led by Senators Dick Durbin and Harry Reid and Representative Howard Berman.
DREAM Act Reintroduced in House and Senate (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/2102-dream-act-reintroduced-in-house-and-senate)
Joe Wolverton, II | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
12 May 2011
History of the DREAM Act:
2011 - Janet Napolitano: Unpassed DREAM Act Now the Law (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/5708-napolitano-unpassed-dream-act-now-the-law)
2010 - Two Versions of DREAM Act Await Vote (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/3546-two-versions-of-dream-act-await-vote)
2010 - Harry Reid Makes DREAM Act First Priority (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/3504-reid-makes-dream-act-first-priority)
2010 - Incremental Amnesty (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/2047-incremental-amnesty)
2010 - Harry Reid Pushes for Amnesty Through Defense Policy Bill (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/2045-reid-pushes-for-amnesty-through-defense-policy-bill)
2008 - Obama's Plan for Immigration "Reform" (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/2475-obamas-plan-for-immigration-reform)
tod evans
11-10-2012, 07:50 AM
The only legislation I would like to see at the federal level is repealing the reams of prior legislation that have bastardized the constitution and grown government.
thequietkid10
11-10-2012, 10:32 AM
I'm surprised, immigration to the United States a bureaucratic mess. Government regulations prohibit the free flow of labor.
UMULAS
11-10-2012, 12:16 PM
It is very bad for the simple reason of that these immigrants come here illegally and take American jobs that Americans have a hard time getting. Doesn't matter if they snuck here and built a family for the last 30 years. Its wrong. There are Americans serving hard prison for misdemeanors or on the streets starving and yet these immigrants get have fairly nice warm homes without legal citizenship and having to work hard for it. They get to go to colleges like UCLA when American students who get good grades deserve to be in their spot. Its ironic because Mexico will deport anyone coming in from South America, yet they want to come here and then bitch when we deport their asses back to where they came from.
1_ Immigration does not take jobs - Read the first book of The wealth of nations
2_ This is designed for youth immigrants, nothing to do with illegal felonists
3_ There was never such thing as deporting immigrants in this country and having extremely long process of becoming a citizen untill the federalists changed it.
4_ WTF? Fairly nice homes? Quit watching fox news. How is getting paid below minimum wage and then paying taxes (YES, IMMIGRANTS PAY TAXES) get them to be the ones that are lucky.
The only thing I agree is that we should not pay for anyone's college; make immigration a lot easier and give faster citizenship.
UMULAS
11-10-2012, 12:20 PM
Good for them, bad for us... It appears no one cares about "us" anymore.
What do "us" get in return for giving illegal immigrants "free" education?
Oh well.. I guess some illegal immigrants can get their degree from USC while grandma dies because medicare funds ran out. oh well.
It's not free; nothing is free since they are paying for it. So acting like a tea partyist screaming BAAAAAAAAAAAA SOCIALISM is not a good argument for this.
And WTF with grandma, you do not understand how the procedure works. Money is given from the department of education to give states the grant of scholarships to Americans (P.S. I pay for these "free scholarships") and immigrants have to pay for them without any benefit.
But you know what, who cares: Because THEM IMMIGRANTS TOOK MY JOBS THOSE SOCIALISTS BASTARDS.
I do, however, would support allow immigrants to serve in the military.
Teach them english and teach them to love USA and to serve. Once they get out, they can get free college education, sure why not.
Actually, I am thinking of joining airforce or something just because of unemployment ;( I am 25 and age limit is 27. I hope I find something before then.
1_ Love this country? Watch out guys, we have a Statist over here. Most Americans have a great dissatisfaction with this country (though I love this country) and then we have to "teach" immigrants to love it.
I am sensing that "teaching" involves something like this.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=nazi+school&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=N&tbo=d&tbm=isch&tbnid=gj7CbQ54iTXGHM:&imgrefurl=http://surviving-history.blogspot.com/2011/02/darkest-lesson-school-in-nazi-times.html&docid=9d-IjhN9wB-vMM&imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QaP4TD2fQG4/TVqJD5YFckI/AAAAAAAAAC8/cUHasGgUjcQ/s1600/Nazi%252Bclassroom.jpg&w=558&h=591&ei=TZyeUPXHJ4Oy9gS8noDgCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=167&vpy=156&dur=3213&hovh=231&hovw=218&tx=69&ty=180&sig=108594351119870304608&page=1&tbnh=140&tbnw=148&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:91&biw=1366&bih=632
2_ Teach them english... why?
This country was founded like Americans of all sorts of diversity, why should we force them to teach english, this is assimilation.
3_ So you approve of "free education" when it's not free.
4_ You're going to join the military to not have unemployment, oh that sounds Patriotic and not wasting taxpayers money at all...
The sad thing about RPF's is that it has the tendency to act like the people of stormfront.
pochy1776
11-15-2012, 10:19 AM
It's not free; nothing is free since they are paying for it. So acting like a tea partyist screaming BAAAAAAAAAAAA SOCIALISM is not a good argument for this.
And WTF with grandma, you do not understand how the procedure works. Money is given from the department of education to give states the grant of scholarships to Americans (P.S. I pay for these "free scholarships") and immigrants have to pay for them without any benefit.
But you know what, who cares: Because THEM IMMIGRANTS TOOK MY JOBS THOSE SOCIALISTS BASTARDS.
1_ Love this country? Watch out guys, we have a Statist over here. Most Americans have a great dissatisfaction with this country (though I love this country) and then we have to "teach" immigrants to love it.
I am sensing that "teaching" involves something like this.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=nazi+school&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=N&tbo=d&tbm=isch&tbnid=gj7CbQ54iTXGHM:&imgrefurl=http://surviving-history.blogspot.com/2011/02/darkest-lesson-school-in-nazi-times.html&docid=9d-IjhN9wB-vMM&imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QaP4TD2fQG4/TVqJD5YFckI/AAAAAAAAAC8/cUHasGgUjcQ/s1600/Nazi%252Bclassroom.jpg&w=558&h=591&ei=TZyeUPXHJ4Oy9gS8noDgCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=167&vpy=156&dur=3213&hovh=231&hovw=218&tx=69&ty=180&sig=108594351119870304608&page=1&tbnh=140&tbnw=148&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:91&biw=1366&bih=632
2_ Teach them english... why?
This country was founded like Americans of all sorts of diversity, why should we force them to teach english, this is assimilation.
3_ So you approve of "free education" when it's not free.
4_ You're going to join the military to not have unemployment, oh that sounds Patriotic and not wasting taxpayers money at all...
The sad thing about RPF's is that it has the tendency to act like the people of stormfront.
How are you more superior, just because you are "tolerant?" SOme of the RPFrs act like limousine progressives.
By the way, i don't support the DREAM ACT the same reason why Ron Paul does not support the Dream act. It costs too much money hand has too much special interests.
erowe1
11-15-2012, 10:34 AM
and bad points (citizenship in exchange for free college)
What's that mean? They get citizenship, and in exchange they have to send one of our kids to college for free?
WilliamShrugged
11-15-2012, 10:38 AM
How can taking money from people to give to another be okay? Plus why should more people be enlisted to fight useless wars? I guess i should also ignore the debt and rising cost of education that would result in this.
erowe1
11-15-2012, 10:39 AM
It's not free; nothing is free since they are paying for it.
That's not true. The nature of public education is that it disconnects the reception of it from the paying for it. It's a terrible thing under all circumstances. And it would still be terrible if it were limited to citizens. But there are 6 billion people in the world, and we can't tell them all, "If you can get your kid here, then we'll educate them at our taxpayers' expense."
AFPVet
11-15-2012, 10:46 AM
There is one part about the Dream Act which I agree with: I agree that if they serve our country, they should be granted citizenship; however, they should NOT be granted citizenship for going to college. College is a privilege and should not be used as a way for citizenship.
angelatc
11-15-2012, 10:48 AM
Present company excepted, I find the same people that assert that immigration doesn't take jobs away from the citizens are the same lot that screech about technology doing just that.
The liberals want it. The neocons want it. It must be a good thing?
I hate it, expecially since the people that stand to benefit believe they're entitled to it. Big red flag.
angelatc
11-15-2012, 10:53 AM
The sad thing about RPF's is that it has the tendency to act like the people of stormfront.
I would suggest nobody waste any more time on this guy. He already knows we are racists. As a result, we know what he is.
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
11-15-2012, 10:54 AM
There is one part about the Dream Act which I agree with: I agree that if they serve our country, they should be granted citizenship; however, they should NOT be granted citizenship for going to college. College is a privilege and should not be used as a way for citizenship.
You do know that "serve our country" means "go kill people in the middle east for us" right now, right? We'd have plenty of military here at home if we'd stop trying to engage everything that's brown and moves.
AFPVet
11-15-2012, 10:56 AM
You do know that "serve our country" means "go kill people in the middle east for us" right now, right? We'd have plenty of military here at home if we'd stop trying to engage everything that's brown and moves.
That's not what I meant. I served my country and didn't see a day overseas... I protected resources here at home.
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
11-15-2012, 11:01 AM
That's not what I meant. I served my country and didn't see a day overseas... I protected resources here at home.
I understand that. I just don't think that's what they have in mind for an immigration program based on military service in today's environment.
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