Better stock up on guns.

[Anti Federalist]

Better Stock Up….

November 7, 2012

By eric

http://ericpetersautos.com/2012/11/07/better-stock-up/

The countdown just started.

The re(s)election of Barack Obama has assured not only economic collapse (equally inevitable had The Wall Street Stooge been selected) but also a guaranteed gun grab in the coming months prior to the collapse.

Mittens was no friend of the 2A – but BHO is openly its enemy. We have the man’s own statements – and we have the man’s own actions, including the actions of his personally selected attorney general. A man publicly and virulently opposed to peaceful American citizens possessing guns – who ran guns to Mexican drugs cartels in the hope these guns would then be used to perform violent crimes – crimes that could then be used as emotional fodder for gun-grabbing demagoguery. That backfired – but now that Obama (and Holder) are secure in their offices, rest assured that “Fast and Furious” was merely a prelude.

Here is what’s coming:

The Supreme Court, already densely marbled with authoritarian-minded collectivists such as “wise Latina” Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ruth Ginsberg, will be further tilted collectivist when – not if - the aging “conservatives” who still linger either give up the ghost or just give up and retire. Antonin Scalia is not far from 80. Neither is Anthony Kennedy. They will be over 80 before 2016. Clarence Thomas is no spring chicken, either. One – or several – are going to go during the next four years. Roberts has already proved to be agreeable to whatever the authoritarian state demands.

It’s a fait accompli.
“Reasonable restrictions” on the possession of firearms by non-costumed, non-badged Americans (that’s you and me) are a drop-dead certainty. The Dear Leader may not even wait for sanction by the robed freedom-takers. He has shown no such proclivity to abide by process thus far. His clearly expressed attitude toward our rights is the same as the attitude toward women expressed by Jefe to El Guapo in The Three Amigos: “If you want a woman, you take the woman.”

And they do want your guns. And they will take them.

It very well could happen suddenly – via executive fiat – just as executive fiat summarily amnestied millions of illegal aliens. All that’s needed, really, is some pretext. Some MK-Ultra’d dupe sent to shoot up a school, say. “Reasonable” gun controls will follow.

Perhaps, door to door.

They are coming. It is only a question of when – not if.

If you have a “high capacity” magazine… an “assault” rifle… any type of gun they think you “don’t need” and which has no “reasonable” purpose … look out. The pendulum has reached the end of its arc and is about to swing back the other way.
Open carry, concealed carry – very possible, any sort of carry at all – in the crosshairs. As surely as ObamaCare is out of them.

The Cloverized masses will cheer “reasonable” gun control, too. Every necessary premise has already been accepted by them. Perhaps it will be done in the name of “officer safety.” Or the old standby, “to keep our children safe.” It worked for random stop and frisks, the TSA … it will work again for this purpose. Or they’ll simply turn to ObamaCare – whose claws are soon to be bared. Guns, you see, are going to become a public health issue. We cannot afford the high cost imposed on society by guns. Exactly as NYC Gauleiter Bloomberg has banned sodas – so also will guns be proscribed. Perhaps they will pass a law requiring every gun owner to possess special insurance… .

If you can’t see it coming, you can’t be helped.

Ruger and other gun manufacturers have been reporting epic, off-the-charts sales in anticipation of Obama’s re(s)election – and all that it portends. The window is about to be slammed shut – possibly, forever.

It is said that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will still have guns. I suspect – I hope – that there will be many millions of such outlaws, if the worst does come to pass. Because arguably, the only firebreak remaining between the USA and the USSA is the fact of millions of firearms in the hands of private citizens. When that firebreak is gone, the US will have become the USSA.

The (s)election of Mittens would not have changed much, of course. But it might have slowed things down a little. We would have had, perhaps, a bit more time to get ready. Now the gantlet has been thrown down. You may rest assured that Holder, et al, are even now busily hashing out how it will be done – and when it will be done. There is no question whatsoever that it will be done.

So, if you’ve been thinking about that new AR (or looking fondly at the old Hi-Power you inherited from your grandfather) better wise up. And buy up.

Then, shut up.

The clock is ticking…

Throw it in the Woods?

[Deborah K]

We've already planned for it.

[alucard13mmfmj]

Risk we took to ensure we have chane in 2016.. and not 8 more years before we get a chance.

[shane77m]

Stocked up on what I can afford. Always room for more though. I would like to get something in a 50bmg. Those are out of my price range though.

I wonder how many people will gladly hand them over if the man ever comes around to round them up?

[Philhelm]

Stocked up on what I can afford. Always room for more though. I would like to get something in a 50bmg. Those are out of my price range though.

I wonder how many people will gladly hand them over if the man ever comes around to round them up?

Probably 99% of them. Damn I'm cynical.

[Anti Federalist]

Probably 99% of them. Damn I'm cynical.

Not cynical at all.

That's a very realistic assessment.

[Deborah K]

Hmmm...if I looked around a gun show, I wouldn't put it at 99%.

[squarepusher]

Eminent gun grab for the last 5 years

[BucksforPaul]

And don't forget the ammo which, imo, they will come for also. What good are the guns if you are not allowed to buy ammo?

[FrancisMarion]

How exactly will they do this, logistically speaking?

[Deborah K]

How exactly will they do this, logistically speaking?

Either gradually through legislation, or Katrina style.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

[opal]

* Is prepped for vermin.. the vermin might just look a little different now

[Anti Federalist]

How exactly will they do this, logistically speaking?

http://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/police/pic/swat3.jpg

[anaconda]

I think Ron Paul is right. We are already over the cliff.

[Shane Harris]

This sucks. I am only in college. No way I can afford to purchase guns or ammo at this point in my life. I need a couple years. I've got a wishlist and a little experience shooting, just none of my own and no means of acquiring any within the next couple years.

[Henry Rogue]

Either gradually through legislation, or Katrina style.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
But, But, they have a job to do and they're just doing there job and it's there job. "Hey calling it your job ol' hoss sure don't make it right.But if you want me to I'll say a prayer for your soul tonight." JCM. After watching that video who can still argue that we need a standing LE army.

[FrancisMarion]

http://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/police/pic/swat3.jpg

Really? This looks like very poor posing to me.

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I hope you are wrong about whats coming. I'll continue to live my life with a smile and spread good will until my nose is violated or my threshold is darkened. Then is gets ugly, justifiably.

I hope I'm not alone with that sentiment.

[amy31416]

I'm pretty sure that just about every state requires you to present ID and does a background check--they'll know where most of the legal guns are. So what's the answer?

[tod evans]

I'm pretty sure that just about every state requires you to present ID and does a background check--they'll know where most of the legal guns are. So what's the answer?

You answered your own question...

[cindy25]

if the landslide in 2014 is big enough to take the senate, they could refuse to confirm any new judges

[noxagol]

How exactly will they do this, logistically speaking?

"How would you say would be the easiest way to take a weapon away from a Grammaton Cleric?"

"You ask him for it"

[UMULAS]

Two more years and I'm of to NH.

Though it wouldn't be bad if we knew in caseofemergency what should we all do; getting separated through each state is a bad idea, might as well move to NH.

[phill4paul]

This sucks. I am only in college. No way I can afford to purchase guns or ammo at this point in my life. I need a couple years. I've got a wishlist and a little experience shooting, just none of my own and no means of acquiring any within the next couple years.

Though I hate to encourage it..on black Friday at Walmarx they are selling a Savage 12 gauge for $169.99. I know, I know, someone please throw a rock at me. Sale starts at 5am.

http://adscans.bfads.net/a/988/i_Walmart_2012_Savage-Arms-Savage-Stevens-Mod_1352364100.jpg

http://bfads.net/Ad/Walmart-2012/Page9

[RonZeplin]

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Imported by Savage Arms from China, the Stevens’ design is inspired by the Winchester 1300, ensuring simple, reliable functionality.
A Chinese Winchester.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/stevens-320-pump-field-grade-shotgun-review/

[tod evans]

A Chinese Winchester.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/stevens-320-pump-field-grade-shotgun-review/

American made automobiles sold as scrap, exported to china, worked by the Chinese industrialists and imported right back here to be sold to Americans who no longer work in industry.

Makes sense to whomever is profiting...


Global economy! USA,USA, Merika! Yeah!!

[Dick Chaney]

Just this year my family has purchased 5 guns (3 rifles, and 2 pistols) and we've stockpiled over 5000 rounds of ammunition and growing.

[Todd]

http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/07/senator-dianne-feinstein-moves-to-ban-all-assault-rifles-high-capacity-magazines-and-pistol-grips/

[pcosmar]

American made automobiles sold as scrap, exported to china, worked by the Chinese industrialists and imported right back here to be sold to Americans who no longer work in industry.

Makes sense to whomever is profiting...


Global economy! USA,USA, Merika! Yeah!!

Romney was a big fan. Made Gobs of money stripping out factories and selling them elsewhere.

A NAFTA supporter from way back.

I would take a Chinese gun in a heartbeat. When the time comes I will take any gun that presents itself.

[Deborah K]

This sucks. I am only in college. No way I can afford to purchase guns or ammo at this point in my life. I need a couple years. I've got a wishlist and a little experience shooting, just none of my own and no means of acquiring any within the next couple years.

Can you afford a cross bow or a good sling shot??? Some knives? Anything like that? Everyone should have some form of protection. Even a stun gun isn't that much.

[AuH20]

FYI As a state Senator, Obama was staunchly against the usage of firearms in a self-defense situation. He's a real zealot in the vein of Stalin.

[FrankRep]

http://thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/d2528ac10059b65538eada15b096867c_XL.jpg (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/13586-hours-after-re-election-obama-green-lights-un-gun-grab)



Hours after his reelection, President Obama ordered U.S. officials at the UN to vote in favor of a proposal to fast track the Arms Trade Treaty.


Hours After Reelection, Obama Green Lights United Nations Gun Grab (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/13586-hours-after-re-election-obama-green-lights-un-gun-grab)


The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
09 November 2012



Related Articles:

UN Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) on Small Arms: Gun Grab Gradualism
http://thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/12086-un-arms-trade-treaty-att-on-small-arms-gun-grab-gradualism

UN Arms Treaty Would Impact Second Amendment Rights
http://thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/12060-un-arms-treaty-would-impact-second-amendment-rights

Obama Promises to Push for Arms Treaty
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/1196-obama-promises-to-push-for-arms-treaty

UN Promotes Another Gun-Grabbing Program
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/12863-un-promotes-another-gun-grabbing-program


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[Deborah K]

Really? This looks like very poor posing to me.

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I hope you are wrong about whats coming. I'll continue to live my life with a smile and spread good will until my nose is violated or my threshold is darkened. Then is gets ugly, justifiably.

I hope I'm not alone with that sentiment.

Just dont' be like this guy:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2mg6rlj.jpg

[Pericles]

http://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/police/pic/swat3.jpg

The irony in all of this is that those 4 guys probably think that they are real badasses.

[pcosmar]

The irony in all of this is that those 4 guys probably think that they are real badasses.

50-90 Sharps in the center of that shield would knock them all down.

lol

Don't correct them though. Let it come as a surprise.
;)

[Athan]

Romney was no different. The GOA sent him THREE second ammendment surveys and he refused to fill out all of them.

[jllundqu]

My profession gives me access to many firearms ;)

Just sit and wait...

[Acala]

The Supreme Court has never been much use in protecting gun rights anyway. The rights you have left are the result of legislative action, not the Supreme Court striking anything down. That's part of the reason I never bought the "vote for Romney because he will appoint good judges" argument.

Furthermore, Obama doesn't care about gun control - it doesn't make any cronies rich. Finally, the House won't let it through. Gridlock is your friend.

[shane77m]

The irony in all of this is that those 4 guys probably think that they are real badasses.

There are some knees that are wide open.

I think this term we will see the "real" Obama. He doesn't have to worry about getting elected again. Congress is not going to impeach him. No one cares if he was born in this country or not. He has nothing to lose.

[jllundqu]

Just so people know how close we are to losing the 2nd amendment altogether... the following are quotes from the Heller v. District of Columbia (DC Gun Ban Case):

Dissent (Breyer)The Second Amendment protects militia-related interests, not self-defense-related interests. Furthermore, the Amendment permits government to regulate the interests that it serves. Colonial history itself offers important examples of the kinds of gun regulation that citizens would then have thought compatible with the right to keep and bear arms, including substantial regulation of firearms in urban areas, and regulations that imposed limitations on the use of firearms for the protection of the home.

Dissent (Stevens)The Second Amendment was adopted to protect the right of the people to maintain a well regulated militia. It was a response to the concern that the power of Congress to disarm the state militias and create a national standing army posed an intolerable threat to state sovereignty. Neither the text of the Second Amendment nor the arguments advanced by its proponents evidence the slightest interest by the Framers in limiting any legislature’s authority to regulate private civilian uses of firearms.

This was a 5 to 4 decision!!! If Obama gets to appoint another justice, you can kiss your guns goodbye!

[VanBummel]

I assume this will keep going in stages, not just "no guns." What do you guys think will be the next things to go? I need to know...for reasons.

[osan]

Well, confiscation will not be a cake walk, and once it begins and word gets out, resistance in some quarters will ramp up to meet the threat.

I know a single group in the southern end of WV that has stockpiled over 6 MILLION rounds of ammunition - have been working on this for 20+ years.

Granted, many will simply fold like cheap suits and comply, but many will not. Then the issue will become real and people will have to choose sides one way or another.

Whatever the ultimate outcome, authorities stand to have a very hard time fulfilling their wishes in the majority of the nation and I may go so far as to say that their very lives may be forfeit if a shooting war erupts. At that point, justice will be swift, unequivocal, and sans all mercy. IMO that is long overdue. Tyrants merit nothing but very impartially meted justice.

A big part of this shall hinge on how sheriffs and police departments choose their sides. Here in WV the authorities will have a hard time because sheriffs are not likely to comply with demands to disarm their neighbors. NJ and the like will see cops and sheriffs falling in line with great smiles.

[tod evans]

50-90 Sharps in the center of that shield would knock them all down.

lol

Don't correct them though. Let it come as a surprise.
;)

A 50/90 would knock me back a pace or two pulling the trigger. :eek:

[jllundqu]

A 50/90 would knock me back a pace or two pulling the trigger. :eek:

or a pre-placed defensive claymore.... jus sayin

[JK/SEA]

A big part of this shall hinge on how sheriffs and police departments choose their sides. Here in WV the authorities will have a hard time because sheriffs are not likely to comply with demands to disarm their neighbors. NJ and the like will see cops and sheriffs falling in line with great smiles.

qft..i directly asked the local Sheriff where i live about gun confiscation by the FEDS...his answer?....''i will quit, i have LOTS of guns at home.''

[oyarde]

I'm pretty sure that just about every state requires you to present ID and does a background check--they'll know where most of the legal guns are. So what's the answer? There is no record of anything I own.

[rpfocus]

And when exactly is this all going to happen...?

[idiom]

Alternatively... we all become cops real fast? I mean we are infiltrating the GOP, it only makes sense.

Plus we could provide all the security in 2016.

This is an evil evil thought.

I posted this in a guns thread:

http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-12-04-Guns.jpg

[VanBummel]

Alternatively... we all become cops real fast? I mean we are infiltrating the GOP, it only makes sense.

I imagine we'd all be fired in less than a month for not arresting any peaceful drug users, speeders, seat belt vigilantes, etc. This is why you can't have good cops...

[Acala]

Just so people know how close we are to losing the 2nd amendment altogether... the following are quotes from the Heller v. District of Columbia (DC Gun Ban Case):

Dissent (Breyer)The Second Amendment protects militia-related interests, not self-defense-related interests. Furthermore, the Amendment permits government to regulate the interests that it serves. Colonial history itself offers important examples of the kinds of gun regulation that citizens would then have thought compatible with the right to keep and bear arms, including substantial regulation of firearms in urban areas, and regulations that imposed limitations on the use of firearms for the protection of the home.

Dissent (Stevens)The Second Amendment was adopted to protect the right of the people to maintain a well regulated militia. It was a response to the concern that the power of Congress to disarm the state militias and create a national standing army posed an intolerable threat to state sovereignty. Neither the text of the Second Amendment nor the arguments advanced by its proponents evidence the slightest interest by the Framers in limiting any legislature’s authority to regulate private civilian uses of firearms.

This was a 5 to 4 decision!!! If Obama gets to appoint another justice, you can kiss your guns goodbye!

When did the Supreme Court EVER strike down a gun law that applied to me? Never. So why does it suddenly make all the difference who is on the Supreme Court?

[Confederate]

I'm pretty sure that just about every state requires you to present ID and does a background check--they'll know where most of the legal guns are. So what's the answer?

Don't buy from a gun shop.

[idiom]

I imagine we'd all be fired in less than a month for not arresting any peaceful drug users, speeders, seat belt vigilantes, etc. This is why you can't have good cops...

At least we would all then be ex-cops and get all the perks.

[Pericles]

The Supreme Court has never been much use in protecting gun rights anyway. The rights you have left are the result of legislative action, not the Supreme Court striking anything down. That's part of the reason I never bought the "vote for Romney because he will appoint good judges" argument.

Furthermore, Obama doesn't care about gun control - it doesn't make any cronies rich. Finally, the House won't let it through. Gridlock is your friend.

If the courts took the 2A seriously, the M16 and M4 would be the most protected individual ownership weapons in this country. Once any weapon I own is illegal, I have no reason to limit my ownership of any type of weapon that I may wish to posess, and would proceed to build whatever I want.

[Deborah K]

And when exactly is this all going to happen...?



http://i47.tinypic.com/156py69.jpg

LMAO!!!

[tangent4ronpaul]

How exactly will they do this, logistically speaking?

Get list of people owning scary looking black rifles
Kick in door at wrong house
Kill family dog
Get pissed at no guns being handed over so execute family
Drag bodies out on front yard for neighbors to see
Repeat...


This sucks. I am only in college. No way I can afford to purchase guns or ammo at this point in my life. I need a couple years. I've got a wishlist and a little experience shooting, just none of my own and no means of acquiring any within the next couple years.

Talk to your older relatives at Thanksgiving asking if they might have an extra gun that was bought before the days of background checks and registration. See if they might be willing to give it to you before they die...


Really? This looks like very poor posing to me.

That one cop with the pistol is funny - trying to hold it gangsta style...


I'm pretty sure that just about every state requires you to present ID and does a background check--they'll know where most of the legal guns are. So what's the answer?

Direct purchase with no paperwork. At least for non-regulated long guns. For AR's, AK's, pistols etc. you are probably in a ATF sting...


if the landslide in 2014 is big enough to take the senate, they could refuse to confirm any new judges

Remember that Keegan recused herself on the DC gun case and probably would for other gun cases too.
Feinstein will be 80 when she starts her new term in the Senate.
Boxer will be 72
Who else are the gun grabbers in the Senate?
Remember, the Repubs control the house, so noting is going to pass legislatively.


Though I hate to encourage it..on black Friday at Walmarx they are selling a Savage 12 gauge for $169.99. I know, I know, someone please throw a rock at me. Sale starts at 5am.

http://adscans.bfads.net/a/988/i_Walmart_2012_Savage-Arms-Savage-Stevens-Mod_1352364100.jpg

http://bfads.net/Ad/Walmart-2012/Page9

Walmart sells "look alike" quality goods that are made with sub-par components. This is probably not what you want.

-t

[Aeroneous]

In my state at least, weapons that can be classified as having a "historical significance" do not require any background checks or registration. I have a growing collection of WWII era rifles thaft cannot be traced.

So what do you do when the government comes knocking for our firearms? I'd like to think that I would refuse on principle. I think it might be foolish to make the "pry it from my cold dead hands" comment from the comfort of my living room, because my rationale could quickly change with a gun pointed at me. I think that refusal is just a death certificate. Civil disobedience won't work, because they'll just take them violently at that point. If you decide to defend your right to keep arms by USING those arms, you will almost certainly be killed. Maybe not in the first wave, but when they find out what happened they will come with greater numbers.

Seems like the ultimate lose-lose situation.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Perhaps, door to door.


lol.



It is said that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will still have guns.


I suggest they start in Chicago and see how that works out.

[Acala]

In my state at least, weapons that can be classified as having a "historical significance" do not require any background checks or registration. I have a growing collection of WWII era rifles thaft cannot be traced.

So what do you do when the government comes knocking for our firearms? I'd like to think that I would refuse on principle. I think it might be foolish to make the "pry it from my cold dead hands" comment from the comfort of my living room, because my rationale could quickly change with a gun pointed at me. I think that refusal is just a death certificate. Civil disobedience won't work, because they'll just take them violently at that point. If you decide to defend your right to keep arms by USING those arms, you will almost certainly be killed. Maybe not in the first wave, but when they find out what happened they will come with greater numbers.

Seems like the ultimate lose-lose situation.

Others can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the purchase of any WWII-era firearm from a gun dealer would require completion of a form 4473, which includes all the information needed to trace the firearm to the purchaser, is kept by the dealer for at least twenty years, and can be inspected at any time by the BATF.

No FEDERAL law requires such a record in a purchase from a non-dealer.

[tod evans]

Mauser action 30/06 can be had for a song if you watch the papers, far better than a Chinese 12ga.

[Aeroneous]

Others can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the purchase of any WWII-era firearm from a gun dealer would require completion of a form 4473, which includes all the information needed to trace the firearm to the purchaser, is kept by the dealer for at least twenty years, and can be inspected at any time by the BATF.

No FEDERAL law requires such a record in a purchase from a non-dealer.

What about in person to person transactions? I'm by no means an expert in the legalities of firearms transactions. I've purchased my WWII rifles at a local gun show from a couple different vendors and on both occasions there was no paperwork filled out. I handed them cash, received a rifle, and walked out after showing the officer at the exit the properly colored sticker showing that I paid for it. This is in Kansas... did these vendors sell me these rifles illegally? As far as I know, all the vendors at this show were required to have FFL licenses. This gun show takes place every other month or so, and it's certainly no secret. The law enforcement presence makes me think that it isn't any type of black market.

I hope I'm not sounding rude or anything, I am legitimately curious as to the legality of the firearms I now own.

[Acala]

What about in person to person transactions? I'm by no means an expert in the legalities of firearms transactions. I've purchased my WWII rifles at a local gun show from a couple different vendors and on both occasions there was no paperwork filled out. I handed them cash, received a rifle, and walked out after showing the officer at the exit the properly colored sticker showing that I paid for it. This is in Kansas... did these vendors sell me these rifles illegally? As far as I know, all the vendors at this show were required to have FFL licenses. This gun show takes place every other month or so, and it's certainly no secret. The law enforcement presence makes me think that it isn't any type of black market.

I hope I'm not sounding rude or anything, I am legitimately curious as to the legality of the firearms I now own.

Not rude at all. Firearms laws are confusing.

Person to person sales by NON-dealers do not require paperwork under FEDERAL law. Whether any paperwork is required under State law is another matter. If the person you bought the gun from at the gun show was an FFL, there should have been a form 4473 completed. At least that is my understanding.

Edit: See this-http://www.atf.gov/training/firearms/ffl-educational-seminars/transcript-gun-show-dos-and-donts.html

[Pericles]

If you buy from a Federal Firearm License holder, you must fill out the 4473 and have the background check. Any other restrictions depend on which state the transaction is located. Example, Texas has no purchase restrictions (except for minors) - only the federal restrictions apply. Communist states may make acquisition more difficult.

[Aeroneous]

Not rude at all. Firearms laws are confusing.

Person to person sales by NON-dealers do not require paperwork under FEDERAL law. Whether any paperwork is required under State law is another matter. If the person you bought the gun from at the gun show was an FFL, there should have been a form 4473 completed. At least that is my understanding.

Edit: See this-http://www.atf.gov/training/firearms/ffl-educational-seminars/transcript-gun-show-dos-and-donts.html


If you buy from a Federal Firearm License holder, you must fill out the 4473 and have the background check. Any other restrictions depend on which state the transaction is located. Example, Texas has no purchase restrictions (except for minors) - only the federal restrictions apply. Communist states may make acquisition more difficult.

Thanks for the education gents. Maybe I was wrong about the FFL requirement... I suppose they could have just been selling personal collections.

[Pericles]

PS: I still have room for more rifles!

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/rifles.jpg

[LibForestPaul]

It is foolish to believe that they are anywhere near simply confiscating privately owned firearms. They will use the same playbook they have been using in the past.
1) Media will start playing up gun related violence, especially in the upcoming months. This will, in many states, lead to sharper gun control laws. Gradually decline of gun ownership.
2) As the fast and the furious shows, likely targets will be manufactures and dealers. Manufactures of "dangerous" guns. And "irresponsible" dealers. The noose will tighten around the commerce of guns and ammuntions.
3) Private gun sales will require a "tax", to offset the health care costs of inner city medical facilities and their trauma units.
4) Expect CAPPS II style background checks.

Chinese water torture, bit by bit.

[opal]

opinions please.. I'm more of a varmant shooter style shooter - with my 1958 Sears 12ga. What variety of ammo would yall stock up on for that particular weapon? (can't find #3 shot anywhere)

[thoughtomator]

When TSHTF you will be getting your arms and ammo out of a government depository or off corpses. Stocking up now just gets your name on a list.

[tod evans]

opinions please.. I'm more of a varmant shooter style shooter - with my 1958 Sears 12ga. What variety of ammo would yall stock up on for that particular weapon? (can't find #3 shot anywhere)

For shooting varmints? Or for a SHTF scenario?

Either way I prefer something with a bit more range, like a rifle.

If memory serves you're in Fl.? Flat somewhat barren country?

I really like 22/250 for reaching waaay out there but ammo is kind of high, old iron sighted Winchester 94's in 30/30 are the staple here in the sticks and ammo's affordable.

30/06 is another affordable caliber to shoot that's been out forever..

I've never even considered any of the banana clipped rifles for country life but lotsa folks love `em.

If you're set on your 12ga look to reloading, it's fun and affordable plus you can load what you want.

[Pericles]

It is foolish to believe that they are anywhere near simply confiscating privately owned firearms. They will use the same playbook they have been using in the past.
1) Media will start playing up gun related violence, especially in the upcoming months. This will, in many states, lead to sharper gun control laws. Gradually decline of gun ownership.
2) As the fast and the furious shows, likely targets will be manufactures and dealers. Manufactures of "dangerous" guns. And "irresponsible" dealers. The noose will tighten around the commerce of guns and ammuntions.
3) Private gun sales will require a "tax", to offset the health care costs of inner city medical facilities and their trauma units.
4) Expect CAPPS II style background checks.

Chinese water torture, bit by bit.

That would be the smarter play for them. We will not surrender our arms, but our children and grandchildren will, because they will not have lived in a free country, and have been educated to despise those who are anti-government kooks.

[pacelli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZk0RdzDrVs

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

When TSHTF you will be getting your arms and ammo out of a government depository or off corpses. Stocking up now just gets your name on a list.


Those arms and ammo will either be gone, or you will be fighting for them with people whose names were on lists. (and losing, I would say.)



That would be the smarter play for them. We will not surrender our arms, but our children and grandchildren will, because they will not have lived in a free country, and have been educated to despise those who are anti-government kooks.


I don't think they really get to pick the timeline. Otherwise, that would be a much better move on their part. I believe the problem is what happens when the various ponzi schemes collapse, and they can't stretch them out that far.