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sailingaway
11-08-2012, 04:20 PM
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I personally disagree in that I think voting for Ron Paul was self defense, it isn't as if OTHERS voting aren't doing something 'to' me if I don't try to fight back with my own vote, but here:


I remember in 2008 being angry and resentful of all the people that voted for the "Marxist" Barack Obama. Looking back, it's funny, since I voted for Chuck Baldwin. Oh, I'm not questioning the socialist nature of Barack Obama, but the reality is that he supports the same planks of the Communist Manifesto that most congressional criminals support, including a lot of Republicans. So, nothing special there.

For the most part, I voted straight Republican in the 2008 election, though not for president. I determined that I wasn't going to support evil, so I voted for someone that actually lined up with what I believed at the time.

Then, as the time to vote in 2010 rolled around, I had "evolved" a little more.

At the time, I lived in the great (HA!) state of Ohio, and the gubernatorial race was between an unusually pro-gun Democrat and a Republican with a mixed record on many things, including gun rights. In reality, I didn't have to struggle to figure out whom to support: I voted for Ken Matesz, Sure, the Libertarian Party candidate didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but I had already decided not to support candidates that I couldn't fully agree with, so eventual winner John Kasich was a no-go.

In 2011, I watched a video of Ron Paul. Like tens of thousands of others, I can say "It all started with Ron Paul." When he spoke, I heard what few others had ever said, and no politicians: I heard him speak of real liberty. I had long since parted ways with even my "Christian perspective" education, choosing to embrace factual reality over whitewashed, feel-good anecdotes, though a more accurate understanding of history was still to come.

As I heard, for the first time in my life, a politician speak of the Constitution as if it really mattered, and of liberty as if it was so real that you could reach out and touch it, Dr. Paul inspired me to throw off for good the War Party duopoly and embrace true liberty, which obviously could not be found in any political party viable for election.

more: http://www.policymic.com/articles/18812/ron-paul-2016-why-i-refuse-to-vote-anymore/276389

[update, I had commented that I hoped he voted for RP since I saw that as self defense, and he said 'in the primary, yes'...]

fr33
11-08-2012, 05:10 PM
Another "voting is a sin" anarchist. I understand it but I don't agree with it.

sailingaway
11-08-2012, 05:15 PM
I don't either, but I liked his journey.

torchbearer
11-08-2012, 05:43 PM
Another "voting is a sin" anarchist. I understand it but I don't agree with it.

Its like saying all forms of violence is immoral.
But then you realise that self-defense is just violence used in a defensive manner, and its the only way to protect your right to self from those who use violence against you.

Agorism
11-08-2012, 08:32 PM
Another "voting is a sin" anarchist. I understand it but I don't agree with it.

I find it interesting what a small number of people can do like getting rid of a chairman or whatever though.

Only 100k people even vote in Iowa, and part of that depends on what party leaders want them to do.

JenH88
11-09-2012, 12:03 PM
Another "voting is a sin" anarchist. I understand it but I don't agree with it.

Me neither... I "understand" it.. It just doesn't make any practical sense... Ignoring the voting process DOESN'T and CANNOT take nukes, the police state , or the printing press away from the sociopaths... Seriously, it's an excuse for cowardice from my standpoint... Refusing to stand next to the rest of us fighting so they can puff their chest out and feel more "philosophically pure"... <rolls eyes>

sailingaway
11-09-2012, 12:12 PM
Me neither... I "understand" it.. It just doesn't make any practical sense... Ignoring the voting process DOESN'T and CANNOT take nukes, the police state , or the printing press away from the sociopaths... Seriously, it's an excuse for cowardice from my standpoint... Refusing to stand next to the rest of us fighting so they can puff their chest out and feel more "philosophically pure"... <rolls eyes>

well, I respect their views, but it is more like the Quakers in war. Principled, but if you believe in self defense, SOME war, and SOME violence is justified if you aren't the aggressor, imho. we are the ones being aggressed against, and want to stop that, not go after someone else.

JenH88
11-09-2012, 12:23 PM
well, I respect their views, but it is more like the Quakers in war. Principled, but if you believe in self defense, SOME war, and SOME violence is justified if you aren't the aggressor, imho. we are the ones being aggressed against, and want to stop that, not go after someone else.

Exactly... & there were MANY Quakers who decided to fight in both the revolutionary and civil wars...

If you're kidnapped and chained to a wall...and you're captor gives you the choices between steak and chicken...making a choice doesn't mean you endorse kidnapping and imprisonment... LOL. But we have a slightly better situation.. There's this guy offering salad as a choice... He says he's going to try and get you unchained from the wall... The guy offering chicken and steak surely doesn't want you to know about this choice. LOL. Starving yourself isn't going to make the sociopath unchain you from the wall.. Infact, he's going to take great pleasure in watching you REFUSE...

ChristianAnarchist
11-09-2012, 01:59 PM
Another "voting is a sin" anarchist. I understand it but I don't agree with it.

I guess I've been there. In some ways I still believe that it IS a sin but then, I DO sin from time to time being the imperfect man that I am and there are much greater sins for me to spend my efforts on (mine, not yours...)

So my "sin" this election cycle was that I "wrote-in" Ron Paul even though it will not be counted in our (fiction) "state". I did it to make me feel good about myself.