it is time for a Libertarian Revolution....

[thequietkid10]

Pat Goodell is comparing the Republican party to the Whigs and citing an exit poll that says 55%-45% prefer less government.

It is time for a libertarian revolution, our time is now. We need to find a way to roll back government without scarring people's pants off.

[sailingaway]

we need that poll because Fox is trying to spin this as Romney not being 'moderate' enough when he is so moderate he has no bones.

[acptulsa]

Stupid's fixable, only problem is the indictment that follows.

They're going to be trying to indict us for months to come. But you know what? We couldn't fix this. We tried. We told them and told them and told them what to do to win.

We couldn't have prevented this. We might have made it a little less bad. Maybe. But you add up Romney and Paul write ins and Johnson and throw in Goode for good measure, and you still don't beat Obama. For the simple reason that you don't beat bad with just as flipping bad.


"You can't beat an administration by attacking it. You have to show some plan of improving on it."--Will Rogers 1924

We had independents and even liberals lined up to vote for Ron Paul because of his integrity. You don't transfer votes for integrity to Flip Flopney. Can't be done.

The way to beat corporatism is the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. They prevent corporations from going to Washington for one stop shopping. So, if Republicans won't listen to sense about how to save the nation, we'll just have to keep selling our cure for corporatism to independents and disaffected Democrats, and then turn around and sell our independent voters to Republican. Because a way to win they'll listen to.

And Fox failed to sell them a way to win twice in a row, now. That should leave old Rupert open to a stake through the heart.

[sailingaway]

They're going to be trying to indict us for months to come. But you know what? We couldn't fix this. We tried. We told them and told them and told them what to do to win.

We couldn't have prevented this. We might have made it a little less bad. Maybe. But you add up Romney and Paul write ins and Johnson and throw in Goode for good measure, and you still don't beat Obama. For the simple reason that you don't beat bad with just as flipping bad.



We had independents and even liberals lined up to vote for Ron Paul because of his integrity. You don't transfer votes for integrity to Flip Flopney. Can't be done.

Oh, I disagree. They'd have won with us, but they cheated Ron out of 15 minutes on stage that he and we earned, and a ballot, not to mention that cheating in primaries doesn't end up with a base unified behind the nominee. I hope they think it was worth it.

[LibertyEagle]

Oh, I disagree. They'd have won with us, but they cheated Ron out of 15 minutes on stage that he and we earned, and a ballot, not to mention that cheating in primaries doesn't end up with a base unified behind the nominee. I hope they think it was worth it.

No way. There weren't nearly enough of us true believers to have made Romney win.

[sailingaway]

But if they hadn't cheated at primaries, likely not just with us, he might not have been the nominee. I do agree that Romney winning is difficult to imagine. But I do think we could have turned the vote. I don't mean those who voted Johnson and wrote in Ron Paul, I mean the clouds of new supporters who didn't even show up.

[NoOneButPaul]

We already had the numbers to win with Ron but they were suppressed and the GOP did everything they could to stop him. They wouldn't even say his name...

The truth is...Like him or hate him (i'm still indifferent) Rand Paul will bring the revolution to fruition in 2016. I hope dearly he's not to us what Reagan was to Ron but at this point we've got to believe in him. Obama will torch the country further and it will set up Rand perfectly in 2016.

The NeoCons like him because he's played the game differently, it messes with us that he plays the game at all so we don't support him like Ron but deep down you've got to believe... he's one of us.

The Revolution is not dead... it's just starting, and if Romney loses Ohio and Florida by Johnson's vote total it will only help our argument further.

[RPSupporter305]

Unfortunately 3/4 of RP supporters still believe progress can be made in the Republican party. Somehow they think there is dignity in being beat down and taking the same abuse again and again.

[acptulsa]

But if they hadn't cheated at primaries, likely not just with us, he might not have been the nominee. I do agree that Romney winning is difficult to imagine. But I do think we could have turned the vote. I don't mean those who voted Johnson and wrote in Ron Paul, I mean the clouds of new supporters who didn't even show up.

We'll never know for sure, and we'd have never know for sure even if that ass Rupert had never been born. But I'll tell you this: We won't make near as much headway moving forward if we discount our appeal to Blue Republicans, or the appeal of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments as corporatism fighters.

We exist here in this forum bubble, and for nearly seven years now I have been winning liberal visitors (say 'trolls' if you prefer) over to our side with this argument. Ask LE if you don't believe me; she has been here long enough to remember my 'Why Ron Paul is Good for Liberals Too' thread. They have us outnumbered, but we can make them us on the national election stage. Not on state elections, not on county elections, not on city elections, but on the national election stage. We can, and we have. Fox and Dubya and yellowcake uranium has made the Republican R so toxic to them that it's hard to get them into a Republican primary. But give them a principled, non-aggression constitutionalist, and you've got their votes.

The rest of it is academic. If we can overcome the mainstream mafia's attempts to divide us, to hide these facts from Republicans, to sell Republicans on the ridiculous notion that you have to out-moderate the Democrats to win, and to make Democrats afraid of Rand Paul, we have our revolution. Our successful revolution. The rest of it is academic.

'Moderateness' is corporatism. We are the middle ground.

[supermario21]

It's just that the things Obama used as scare tactics are our main talking points. In Ohio Romney got hammered because he was opposed to the bailout. Medicare and social security reform are things we stand for and the leftists pound us on it. Forget this being about a Republican or not. How do we get the message back to small government? I truly fear that we're headed for more government and cannot avoid it.

[NoOneButPaul]

Unfortunately 3/4 of RP supporters still believe progress can be made in the Republican party. Somehow they think there is dignity in being beat down and taking the same abuse again and again.

Time has run out to keep getting beat... the remnants of our republic are deteriorating as we speak. Getting back up just to get knocked down over and over again isn't helping.

I don't like the NeoCons either (and you'll get plenty knocked down just trying to beat them btw) but we will eventually win out if we focus on our IDEAS and not the suppression.

We have the winning ideas, and they will win out so long as we stick to the issues and ideas of freedom. The people will come through education, we just have to keep preaching the message to anyone and everyone. The people in the GOP will catch up and if we could convince more and more people to converge from outside of the GOP we could really start to make some noise.

[sailingaway]

We'll never know for sure, and we'd have never know for sure even if that ass Rupert had never been born. But I'll tell you this: We won't make near as much headway moving forward if we discount our appeal to Blue Republicans, or the appeal of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments as corporatism fighters.

We exist here in this forum bubble, and for nearly seven years now I have been winning liberal visitors (say 'trolls' if you prefer) over to our side with this argument. Ask LE if you don't believe me; she has been here long enough to remember my 'Why Ron Paul is Good for Liberals Too' thread. They have us outnumbered, but we can make them us on the national election stage. Not on state elections, not on county elections, not on city elections, but on the national election stage. We can, and we have. Fox and Dubya and yellowcake uranium has made the Republican R so toxic to them that it's hard to get them into a Republican primary. But give them a principled, non-aggression constitutionalist, and you've got their votes.

The rest of it is academic. If we can overcome the mainstream mafia's attempts to divide us, to hide these facts from Republicans, to sell Republicans on the ridiculous notion that you have to out-moderate the Democrats to win, and to make Democrats afraid of Rand Paul, we have our revolution. Our successful revolution. The rest of it is academic.

'Moderateness' is corporatism. We are the middle ground.

We aren't the middle ground, we just deal in reality and anyone else who does as well, knows it even if they don't agree with us on everything. I agree the Blue Republican line is a key one.

[supermario21]

We aren't moderates. When I think of moderates I think of guys like Chafee, Rockefeller, Jeffords. All the moderates are "big government" types. We're the total opposite. I'm panicking, the Senate just picked up 2 radical leftists in Elizabeth Warren and Tammy Baldwin. We need to do something, and something very very fast.

[sailingaway]

We aren't moderates. When I think of moderates I think of guys like Chafee, Rockefeller, Jeffords. All the moderates are "big government" types. We're the total opposite. I'm panicking, the Senate just picked up 2 radical leftists in Elizabeth Warren and Tammy Baldwin. We need to do something, and something very very fast.

Warren won? Oh my.

Well, she'll vote with us on NDAA and the Patriot Act, at least. Unless she's a fraud.

[Shane Harris]

Pat Goodell is comparing the Republican party to the Whigs and citing an exit poll that says 55%-45% prefer less government.

It is time for a libertarian revolution, our time is now. We need to find a way to roll back government without scaring people's pants off.

Rand Paul

[NoOneButPaul]

It's just that the things Obama used as scare tactics are our main talking points. In Ohio Romney got hammered because he was opposed to the bailout. Medicare and social security reform are things we stand for and the leftists pound us on it. Forget this being about a Republican or not. How do we get the message back to small government? I truly fear that we're headed for more government and cannot avoid it.

I like to think about it like building blocks...

We need to focus on the foreign policy when it comes to the Liberals, and we should spin the argument to them that the ONLY WAY to save their precious programs is if we bring the troops home and significantly reduce the amount of money we spend overseas.

That's an argument they'll buy and it's one they'll support.

And... once these programs become sustainable they will be much easier to get ourselves off of because we may actually have the money to pay people out what they've already paid in (even with inflation adjusted) and the arguments for getting off of these programs can be spun a million different ways for it to now be in the people's benefit to get rid of them.

Until we bring the troops home we can't do anything with these programs except let them go bankrupt... if we make this argument we can get more and more on our side.

And when they really start to think about it they may realize their own party isn't as Anti-war as they think...

[acptulsa]

How do we get the message back to small government?

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What is obviously the overwhelming problem of our age? Have I made myself heard yet?

[thequietkid10]

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What is obviously the overwhelming problem of our age? Have I made myself heard yet?

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As poor of a debater as Gary Johnson is, I'll give him credit for consistently hammering the anti-corporatism points against Jill Stein in last night's debate. This is the only way to make headroom when dealing with liberals on economic matters.

[kpitcher]

I had a few friends on facebook post their 'who matches your political views' quiz results. One was 90% gary johnson and she didn't know who he was. A few others and I chimed in, she said 'well yeah that's me'. Sadly us Michigan folk couldn't vote libertarian for Pres this year.

I just don't see a way to get past the 2 party system. Changing the republican party from the inside isn't a bad idea.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Warren won? Oh my.

Well, she'll vote with us on NDAA and the Patriot Act, at least. Unless she's a fraud.

She was hawking on Iran and terrorism as a candidate. I'm putting money on her being a fraud.

[sailingaway]

She was hawking on Iran and terrorism as a candidate. I'm putting money on her being a fraud.

Wow. I'd say so, then.

Pity, the left thinks she's the real deal.

[acptulsa]

As poor of a debater as Gary Johnson is, I'll give him credit for consistently hammering the anti-corporatism points against Jill Stein in last night's debate. This is the only way to make headroom when dealing with liberals on economic matters.

We'll never be able to work with them about any office but national office. But I have been selling hard core liberals on minarchy as anti-corporatism and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments as guarantees that we would never restrict state-level socialism (except with our votes) for over four years, and it has yet to fail. Even the trolls have a hard time resisting it.

If we want our revolution, first we finish weaning liberals and independents from the notion that their socialist crap must be done on the federal level, then we show so-called conservatives that the way to win is to offer conservatism. The only hard part will be selling so-called conservatives on the idea of offering peace, prosperity and Christian tolerance. But it won't work without these.

We had better get focused on this, and I mean right now. If we don't, we'll chase our tails for four more years and wind up right back here again. We have a lot of propaganda to combat to pull this off. Liberals and independents will usually tune it out and listen to reason; Fox just ratfucked Republicans into nominating a born loser, so maybe they will see how stupid they were to run a moderate if we hit the mules over the head with a 2x4 in a kind and loving enough manner. But with the gauntlet of Mainstream Mafia Propaganda we have to run, we had better get focused on this strategy and I mean right now.

It works. I have seen it work. How are we going to make it work on a wide scale basis? How are we going to show Republicans it works so they'll put up a candidate who Fox will say can't win, and CNN will say can't win, but who can win?

We figure this out or we lose this nation completely. Our children will hear stories about the liberties we enjoyed, roll their eyes, and say, 'Yeah, right.'